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VoIP Legal Status Worldwide?

Cigarra writes "There was much public debate going on during the last several months here in Paraguay, regarding the 'liberation of Internet,' that is, the lifting of the restriction on ISPs to connect directly to international carriers. Up until this week, they were forced to hire wholesale service from the State run telco, Copaco. During the last month, when the new regulation was almost ready, the real reason supporting the monopoly made it to the headlines: Copaco would fight for the monopoly, fearing VoIP based telephony. Finally, the regulator Conatel resolved today to end the monopoly, but a ruling on VoIP legal status was postponed for 'further study.' I guess this kind of 'problem' arose almost everywhere else in the world, so I ask the international slashdotters crowd: what is VoIP's legal status in your country / state / region? How well did incumbent telcos adapt to it, and overall, just how disruptive was this technology to established operators?"

180 comments

  1. Well, Verizon pretty much sued everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And now they're getting out of the VOIP business themselves.

    1. Re:Well, Verizon pretty much sued everyone by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      In the US, the cable companies seem pretty excited about offering VOIP these days, and Vonage is still around, despite the legal battering it has taken, even though we don't hear as much about them as we used to.

      Of course Verizon doesn't like VOIP in the home. It's still losing customers because of it. I suppose they can take some solace in the fact that many of us have been replacing our land lines with mobile phones more often than with VOIP via home internet.

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  2. In Canada by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here, in Canada, it is totally free; as there is no single federal telecom monopoly and those are mostly private companies, the issue of monopoly is moot.

    Hopefully, this situation will help to drive the Bell Telephone Company of Canada into the ground, which could be sooner than we think as it was not bought by the Ontario Teacher's Fund.

    1. Re:In Canada by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      South Africa had banned VoIP technology until recently. There's lots of information in this 2001 article:

      http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2001/0103271307.asp?A=VPN&S=VPN&T=Section&O=SBR

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    2. Re:In Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, bit of a clarification, VoIP is legal in South Africa on fixed line networks only. It is still illegal on mobile (gsm) networks.

    3. Re:In Canada by Mantrid · · Score: 2, Informative

      In theory it is free; in practice (Ontario anyways), Bell is the gate keeper. And they don't really keep their gates fixed up very well, actually the gates are more like doggie doors and you can only fit half a person through per month (then they charge you extra). There are also a few cable companies - they have garage doors, but they might only let one person in at a time. (Fortunately we still have some resellers of DSL to help out, they'll give you a few gates and generally distract the gatekeeper while you get your stuff through...though Bell is on to them and with the help of the CRTC they might just close that "hole")

    4. Re:In Canada by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unfortunate that 'free' VOIP you use is going through your Bell internet lines or a ghetto cableco. I use teksavvy dsl and my voip quality and torrent speeds are crappy/throttled. Why? Because Bell is fucking with my connection once it gets to their backbone even though I'm not buying anything from them at all. I don't see a way we can put the company down if they have control over my internet when I'm not even a customer. Maybe they'll start punitive throttling, hitting people not paying them just because they can. Without the government stepping in there is nothing that could be done aside from building a whole new infrastructure.

    5. Re:In Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allow me to refer you to Northwestel.

  3. Legal vs Allowed by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    VoIP is legal here in the United States.

    But I don't know how much longer it'll be allowed to live by the ISPs.

    We're kind of on a roller coaster ride debate as to whether or not ISPs should be able to decide what data goes over their lines. They want to be able to charge more for certain types of data (and you can bet your ass that data that competes with another wing of their business will be pretty damn expensive).

    When Bush was in office, I wouldn't have even blinked in surprise if I were told suddenly the ISPs decided that all YouTube traffic is now set to 14.4k speeds unless you pay more for it, but now that Obama's in office, its actually a debate rather than a eventuality.

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    1. Re:Legal vs Allowed by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      now that Obama's in office, its actually a debate rather than a eventuality

      If you think the big lobby groups are any less powerful just because of a change in party or person in the president's chair then you're deluding yourself.

      RIAA will continue to run around like a bull in a china shop, patent trolls will continue to destroy innovation by patent stockpiling and dragnetting, the armed forces will continue to rape and pillage those who are unable to defend themselves and our privacy and freedoms both online and in the real world will continue to be barraged from all sides.

      The real enemies of society are the interests represented by the powerful lobby groups. Not some guy sitting in an oval office.

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    2. Re:Legal vs Allowed by mellon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When the only tool you have is demagoguery, every discussion looks like a nail. Or something like that...

    3. Re:Legal vs Allowed by abushga · · Score: 1

      Legal but very costly for Sprint EVDO users. The surcharge for VoIP on Sprint's EVDO network is something like $1 US per minute.

    4. Re:Legal vs Allowed by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you think the big lobby groups are any less powerful just because of a change in party or person in the president's chair then you're deluding yourself.

      The real enemies of society are the interests represented by the powerful lobby groups. Not some guy sitting in an oval office.

      I seem to recall Obama being in favor of reducing the power and influence of lobbyists on political decisions.

      I'm not overly naive, but it might just be possible (maybe!) that you'll (meaning we'll) see some real change.

    5. Re:Legal vs Allowed by californication · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, fresh flame bait. Ok, I'll bite.

      The Democratic Primary is not won by popular vote, but by delegates. Not surprisingly, Clinton's popular vote estimate only includes Clinton voters from Michigan, not Obama voters. Clinton lost because she a false sense of security that spawned from nepotism and entitlement. Maybe if she hadn't assumed from the very beginning that the cat was in the bag, she could have won.

      Where were your in 2008, when Bush was still in office and the economy really went down the shitter? How many people lost their jobs in 2008, something like 2 million? Yeah, we were just rolling in dough when Bush was in office, he did a great job with the economy.

      Ironic that you seem perfectly ok "paying a bit more for it" as long as it's a Republican in office. You bitch about the government picking your pocket, but you'll bend right over for a private company.

    6. Re:Legal vs Allowed by californication · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's against AT&T wireless' terms of service to use VoIP over a cellular data connection. Of course, just encrypt and connect to a proxy or just setup a VPN and viola, none of AT&T's business.

    7. Re:Legal vs Allowed by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the armed forces will continue to rape and pillage those who are unable to defend themselves

      I was with you right up to that point. Speaking as a person who has served in the Navy, with lots of friends in the Army and Marine Corps, I can say with a high degree of confidence that you are an idiot. How's that armchair of yours? Comfy?

    8. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to sound cynical, but the president simply doesn't have the power to do that. The staff that make up the administration serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States of America. The President of the United States of America serves at the pleasure of the powerful lobby groups.

      You think you have a democracy. You don't. You have a show that the big interests put on so you think you have a democracy.

      Lets see, in 2 or 3 years, if the RIAA or MPAA have been censured in any meaningful way. Lets see if the US foreign policy takes steps to undo some of the harm of the last 8 years. Lets see if the absurd excesses in power grabbing under the guise of fighting terrorism get rolled back.

      My money is on Obama slowly becoming Just Another President, and after his brief pause to make people think he's different, just continuing on the same downward spiral. Lobby groups will want him to make people think that they've made a change, which is why they've allowed Obama to pause the downhill slide for a while, so that people's anger levels subside. Once they are lulled again, the slide can begin again for another decade or so, before the next pause.

      It's no different in the UK or Australia. We're all being frog boiled, and we're too stupid and have too short memories to see it.

    9. Re:Legal vs Allowed by TehDuffman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the armed forces will continue to rape and pillage those who are unable to defend themselves

      I would have modded you up except for this point. The Armed Forces of the US are like any group, you put a bunch (hundred of thousands) of 18 - 23 year olds in a area with extreme stress and extreme power mistakes happen but... rape and pillage I would say you have no idea what you are talking about and may want to learn/read instead of writing completely ignorant statements.

      Also the military establishment before OIF was not pro-invasion, they did the best with the horrible leadership from the civilian leadership at the DOD and above. Had OIF planning been in control of the the military there likely would have actually been an occupation plan and no need for a surge because a higher amount of troops would have already been on deck.

    10. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Ah, the old meat head argument.

      "I was in the armed forces. Therefore, your criticism of the armed forces is incorrect."

      They don't recruit you for the armed forces because of your shining intelligence, your stunning ability to construct insightful arguments, or your comprehensive grasp of foreign policy and political history.

      As a civilian, I can say with a high degree of confidence that you are a meat head with a brush cut and lead poisoning. Fight for my freedoms? Fuck you. I'd sooner die at the hands of that mythical horde of terrorists than have you fuckers running amok all over the world tearing up villages in Vietnam, supporting dictators in South America and stealing resources from the middle east while claiming to be searching for WMDs.

      Fuck you and the bradley you drove in on.

    11. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you.

      John

    12. Re:Legal vs Allowed by drDugan · · Score: 1

      http://www.billshrink.com/blog/mobile-cell-phone-plan-cost-markup/

      recent post "Dissecting The Mobile Phone Plan Markup"

      ISP VOIP has to be better than this

    13. Re:Legal vs Allowed by philipgar · · Score: 1

      The president of the united states also said he wasn't going to appoint any lobbyists on his cabinet. We saw how long that lasted (until he started announcing who was on his cabinet). People have a false sense of belief that just because a politician has been spouting on about hope and change for years that he will actually do it. Believing that ignores years of political precedents. Obama will likely change things, but for the most part, his administration has largely been a continuation of Bush's policies. The only major exceptions I can think of are funding to abortion groups, and funding for stem cells. People will point to Guantanamo, but it was likely going to get closed down within a year or two as people came up with a good solution for how to deal with terrorists (in reality we'll likely return to pre-9/11 conditions where we simply hired other countries to tor^k^k^Kinterrogate them for us).

      I see no reason to suspect that the Obama administration will act any differently than the Bush administration concerning net neutrality.

      Phil

    14. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.. yeah... someone in the Navy (ie. accused of the crime) is defending his friends... !!

    15. Re:Legal vs Allowed by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was with you right up to that point. Speaking as a person who has served in the Navy, with lots of friends in the Army and Marine Corps, I can say with a high degree of confidence that you are an idiot. How's that armchair of yours? Comfy?

      I've had to sit and listen to too many soldiers tell me stories about rape to believe your anecdote. They invariably are a story of grief and remorse about how they didn't stop someone else from doing it. When you add to that that the published stats for rape of female military inductees in the Navy is over 25% - while rape statistics are nearly always under-reported, and rape allegations are almost never false although other kinds of abuse are potentially over-reported.

      The simple truth is that occupying militaries pretty much always commit rape on a broad scale, and ours is no exception, nor has it ever been. In addition, the use of prostitutes who were forced into the business in response to the devastation of the local economy due to war can only be seen as a kind of rape, and that is very much SOP for all soldiers anywhere, making war in any time and any place.

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    16. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Clovis42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think you have a democracy.

      No, apparenlty you do. We think we have a representative republic.

      It's no different in the UK or Australia. We're all being frog boiled, and we're too stupid and have too short memories to see it.

      Ya, but at least we are allowed access to guns. We can at least do some pew-pewing before we finally croak.

      I agree that lobbyists (ie, big corporations) have way too much power, but it isn't all that bad. Take RIAA, for example. For all the power they have, they keep losing. They've given up on going after individuals now. You can see their grip slipping every day. If it somehow becomes impossible for me to access media via bittorrent one day I'll believe you, but I don't see this happening. For all their complacency, when enough people are affected by something you actually see some change. It is a slow process, but eventually the will of the voters is heard.

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    17. Re:Legal vs Allowed by packeteer · · Score: 1

      You think the individual soldier is supporting dictators? Of course not, they are simply completing their mission on the ground that in turn may end up helping a dictator but that was all setup way above their head and they have no control over some of the long term effects of their actions are. That's why we have a representative government. I guess you are the one propping up dictators after all since you are responsible for the leaders in our own government.

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    18. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      man, PUSA are a great band. Their earlier stuff was a lot better though.

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    19. Re:Legal vs Allowed by bartwol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I never served...a fact of which I am not proud.

      I fully agree with your point, brief and unexplained though it may be.

      The parent's sweeping [mis]characterization of military personnel reflects a kind of bigotry that is common and, in many circles, acceptable here in the U.S. (and elsewhere). And yet, his ugly slur is no more correct than one he might make about African Americans or any other broadly defined population. Alas, such broad sweeping bigotry lives in the hearts of most people, and is only mitigated by their learned sensitivity ("forgiveness") to particular sub-classes.

      Anyway, thanks for saying it the way I felt about it.

    20. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least you were smart enough to call yourself a coward, spot on!

    21. Re:Legal vs Allowed by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I also served, 7+ years active duty Marine Corps, and I continue to hold the highest admiration of those who serve, in any of the services.

      That being said, it is a sad fact that the US has a long history of using the military and the CIA to bully uncooperative countries, overthrow their leaders, establish US friendly dictatorships, and support their campaigns. As individuals, US service members are of the highest caliber and I wouldn't want to work with anyone else. As a group, we get associated with the worst our country does.

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    22. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes indeed! In fact, Google's now in the VoIP business!

      How great is that? I mean, to have Google knowing all about your phone calls, on top of your web-browsing and the contents of your e-mail! I'm sure we'll all be getting some really great new advertising!

      Now, if only Google had my DNA information, too! That would be perfect.

      I mean, since they're all not evil and stuff, what could possibly go wrong?

    23. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Democratic Primary is not won by popular vote, but by delegates.

      Delegates that never got the chance to vote. Clinton could easily have won the delegate count, but they didn't bother actually voting. Instead, they bowed to media pressure, and nominated Obama.

      Not surprisingly, Clinton's popular vote estimate only includes Clinton voters from Michigan, not Obama voters.

      No, the popular vote estimate is based on delegate counts if you count all votes that were cast. That includes Hillary and Obama supporters.

      Where were your in 2008, when Bush was still in office and the economy really went down the shitter? How many people lost their jobs in 2008, something like 2 million? Yeah, we were just rolling in dough when Bush was in office, he did a great job with the economy.

      You mean after the Democrats gained control of Congress, and Bush was no longer able to implement any policies? How soon people forget that the economic crash was caused by Democrats. The mortgage crisis can easily be blamed on the Democrats, who through regulation, forced banks to make risky loans.

      Ironic that you seem perfectly ok "paying a bit more for it" as long as it's a Republican in office. You bitch about the government picking your pocket, but you'll bend right over for a private company.

      With a private company, I have choice. I can always use a cheaper competitor, or simply go without.

      With the government, I have no choice. I have to pay, regardless of the level of service I do or don't get.

    24. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, my fellow AC! All we need now is to make sure we get the best possible advertising is for Google to have our full medical history!

      And it's all free*!

      *(as in beer, only, of course)

    25. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it interesting that you confused "H" for "K" once, but not in all instances.

    26. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The surcharge for VoIP on Sprint's EVDO network is something like $1 US per minute.

      Hunh?

      I can make SIP calls from my N810, bluetooth-tethered to my Sprint phone, to my SIP carrier, just like using any other data stream. The latency's pretty nasty, but it'll do in an emergency is there's no wi-fi available.

      $60/month for the "unlimited" (as if!) data plan, including phone-as-modem, plus $20/month for the cheapest voice plan (a voice plan is required) isn't cheap, but it ain't no $1/minute.

    27. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I don't know how much longer it'll be allowed to live by the ISPs.

      We don't care about VOIP applications. Your VOIP traffic gets prioritized like any other regular customer traffic.

      But after you get tired of delays, jitter, dropped calls, etc. resulting from packet loss or latency, you can sign up for our own VOIP service. Since we install an MTA for our phone service, we can just QoS our own VOIP traffic.

      Oh, and we'll do phone + internet for less than you pay for internet + voip.

      We're not worried about it. Really, it's a non-issue.

    28. Re:Legal vs Allowed by NReitzel · · Score: 1

      Um, I wonder at your statistics to support the term "most people" ... Some of us try, very hard, to avoid broad, sweeping generalizations, for example, "Most people are bigots."

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    29. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      rape allegations are almost never false

      How exactly do you determine this? Most rape cases are complete "he said, she said" cases. Given that in 25% of the rape cases where DNA evidence is available the main suspect is exonerated, I'd say your "almost never" is completely wrong. And that's not even counting cases where 1) no DNA evidence is available or 2) consensual sex is followed by a cry of rape.

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    30. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Hatta · · Score: 1

      But a government in which the majority rule in all cases cannot be based on justice, even as far as men understand it. Can there not be a government in which majorities do not virtually decide right and wrong, but conscience? -- in which majorities decide only those questions to which the rule of expediency is applicable? Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice. A common and natural result of an undue respect for law is, that you may see a file of soldiers, colonel, captain, corporal, privates, powder-monkeys,(5) and all, marching in admirable order over hill and dale to the wars, against their wills, ay, against their common sense and consciences, which makes it very steep marching indeed, and produces a palpitation of the heart. They have no doubt that it is a damnable business in which they are concerned; they are all peaceably inclined. Now, what are they? Men at all? or small movable forts and magazines, at the service of some unscrupulous man in power? Visit the Navy Yard, and behold a marine, such a man as an American government can make, or such as it can make a man with its black arts -- a mere shadow and reminiscence of humanity, a man laid out alive and standing, and already, as one may say, buried under arms with funeral accompaniments, though it may be

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      [5] The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus,(7) etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away,"(8) but leave that office to his dust at least

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    31. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Eternauta3k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya, but at least we are allowed access to guns. We can at least do some pew-pewing before we finally croak

      The second ammendment is the most cunning deceit ever made (probably not it's original intention). It keeps people thinking "hey, if things get too bad we can still revolt". Thus, the illusion of having a right takes precedence over actual rights that citizens in other countries have (healthcare or whatever).

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    32. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      s/it's/its
      In case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about "The US is better than <country>. Sure, they have decent healthcare and political parties, but we've got guns"

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    33. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Xenophobe · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that he nominated a net neutrality backer as head of the FCC...

      CNet story

    34. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're a computer programmer, it's a good assumption that you like using computers. If you're a rifleman, it's a good assumption that you like killing people. Generalizations are valid when they correctly apply to 90% of the group specified.

    35. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the president can't do all he said he wanted to do, what makes you think the head of the FCC can?

    36. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a person who has served in the Navy, with lots of friends in the Army and Marine Corps, I can say with a high degree of confidence that you are an idiot. How's that armchair of yours? Comfy?

      Speaking as a person who is an arab, with lots of friends from Iraq and Afganistan, I can say with a high degree of confidence that you are an idiot. How's that M1 Abrams of yours? Safe, unlike the people you're blasting?

      Need I remind you of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and god know what else?

    37. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Mr. AC of the Cable Company ISP (if that is indeed your name),

      You seem to be forgetting: If you favor your own service's VoIP packets over my VoIP packets on your network, the gummint says you've become a telephone company, and you'll need to be regulated like one. And I'm not talking about making-sure-you've-got-E911-type regulation; I mean full-on, FCC-in-your-underpants plus every-state's-tinpot-Public-Utility-Commission-type regulation.

      I don't think you're going to like that. No, not even a little.

    38. Re:Legal vs Allowed by bartwol · · Score: 1

      That assertion is, of course, my informal opinion based on my own observations. I arrived at at after being repeatedly surprised by people who most certainly would never disparage someone on the basis of the commonly identified classes: race, color, ethnicity, etc. Even there, I find attitudes toward religions (theistic or atheistic) to challenge the flexibility of many otherwise broad-minded people. If you then throw in sentiments about The French, A Man's Man, Liberals, People Who Keep Dirty Bathrooms, Republicans, Masculine-looking Dykes, and Lipsticky Platinum Blondes With Big Boob Jobs...well...a majority can find revulsion in there somewhere.

      I regret my own bigotry (and do try hard to "avoid" it, as you suggest). But my opinion as to the incidence of bigotry in the general population is not one example of my bigotry. It is, I think, a very reasonable inference based on very reasonable observations.

      bart

    39. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      No, you recall Obama saying that there would be no lobbyists in his administration. How's that working out? Oh that's right, it's not. He has at least as many lobbyists as any previous President.

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    40. Re:Legal vs Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      health care as right.. i don't think so.. if you get sick and can't afford it, get you friends and family to pay for it. i have no interesting spending money to make you well.. sue me..

    41. Re:Legal vs Allowed by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      The latter is the only case of "rape" I ever personally knew of in the military, and the young man was acquitted when the full story came out. She was crying rape to cover up for cheating on her fiance.

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    42. Re:Legal vs Allowed by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      If you're a computer programmer, it's a good assumption that you like using computers. If you're a rifleman, it's a good assumption that you like killing people. Generalizations are valid when they correctly apply to 90% of the group specified.

      No, this is where your idiocy shines through. If you're a rifleman, it's a good assumption that you are capable of killing people. Of course the American driver kills more people than the American rifleman, but that's a different story. The point here is that only the psychopaths enjoy killing, and they are definitely the most efficient killers. There's nothing wrong with that. Most psychopaths never join the military, but the military is about the only organization that can properly utilize them to help our society.

      It is society's job to properly control the military and ensure that they are only allowed to kill when it is the right thing to do. And America's [recent] track record is relatively good.

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    43. Re:Legal vs Allowed by jra · · Score: 1

      And let us not mention those cases where consensual sex gets someone lined up for fraternization charges, and they figure it's better to throw they guy under the bus...

  4. Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The past tense of "arise" is "arose". Like rice.

    Needless to say, the opportunity to make a fortune off of VoIP users is being lost. If you are a mobile operator, you just charge per packet. If you are a telco, you just charge a data traffic fee. If you are a cable operator, you just charge people more to get the channels that they really want by splitting them up into "packages" that contain one good channel and 50 crap channels.

    Seriously, who the fuck is watching the Lifetime channel?

    1. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LOTS of women. I know being here on slashdot you might have forgotten the concept that women exist.

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    2. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The past tense of "arise" is "arose". Like rice.

      Roce?

    3. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The past tense of rice is poo.

    4. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean like "Arroz"?

    5. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      It depends. If you're speaking Spanish, you're fine, as the Z sounds like the English S. If you're in Portuguese, no, because the Z from rice in portuguese is read differently. It's more like "arrÃs" in Catalan.

    6. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      damn slashdot. I meant ARROS, with the O grave (`)

    7. Re:Past tense of "arise" is "arose" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sad because it's true.

  5. In Australia its legal by jonwil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And we have regulators who would go after any telco who tried to block it.
    In fact, many major ISPs are now offering VoIP as part of your Internet connection

    If the government tried to ban VoIP in this country, they wouldn't survive the next election.

    Maybe thats the problem for people in countries in Latin America and Africa and elsewhere where telephone and Internet service is controlled by state-run/state-backed monopolies. Maybe the people in these countries need to kick the government out (although that assumes that there is a government running the country and not a military general and an army with orders to shoot anyone who has such unclean thoughts as "lets kick the government out" or "lets fight the state-run telco")

    1. Re:In Australia its legal by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      our monopoly telco which was previously government owned, telstra, would LOVE to block VOIP. they aren't in the VOIP business yet, they are waiting for everyone to invest heavily in it then they will drop conventional landline calls to the same level, decimating the competition.

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    2. Re:In Australia its legal by templar112 · · Score: 1

      Same old Telstra! I'm with Naked DSL = no rental and free VOIP calls .. good enough for me!

    3. Re:In Australia its legal by Techman83 · · Score: 1

      After I confirm Telstra has credited my account because of their incompetent service, I will be taking my money and going Naked! Can't wait!

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    4. Re:In Australia its legal by rdnetto · · Score: 3, Informative

      In fact, many major ISPs are now offering VoIP as part of your Internet connection.

      Quite a few actually give you an incentive to adopt it. E.g. My ISP, iiNet, literally doubled my already generous quota if I bundled VOIP with my connection. That was actually the only reason we got VOIP at first - it was only later that we realised how much cheaper it was.

      Also, take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOIP#Legal_Issues.

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    5. Re:In Australia its legal by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Voip is fine in Australia, just select your ISP with great care and read the fine print re excess data costs.
      Telstra (big bad Australian "Bell") enjoys offering low capped plans with over use charged at A$150/gb, counting uploads and downloads.
      As the joke goes:
      "New computer - $1200
      Desk for the computer - $250
      Bigpond 100Mps 200mb Cable Plan - $39.95
      Using your 200mb quota + 2GB extra at $150 a gig doing VoIP - Priceless"

      Telstra controls RIMs (Remote Integrated Multiplexer ~ digital loop carrier), toys with exchange rack space and does all it can to contain other ISP's.

      Another fun aspect of Voip was this:
      http://apcmag.com/bigpond_blocking_voip_on_new_modem.htm

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    6. Re:In Australia its legal by amorsen · · Score: 1

      "Investing heavily in VoIP" means buying a couple of servers, a connection to the Internet, and finding a good Linux admin... At least if you're targeting private customers.

      Getting blocked by the ISP's is a worry of course.

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    7. Re:In Australia its legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep - AND there would be a Conroy-effegy Burning at each capital city - then there would be a massive protest.

      Just like compulsory filtering (now hopefully dead) and the scaling-down of NBN.

    8. Re:In Australia its legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Brazil (which is in Latin America) this is perfectly legal, one can even buy a SkypeIn number there.

    9. Re:In Australia its legal by usman_ismail · · Score: 1

      Using your 200mb quota + 2GB extra at $150 a gig doing VoIP - Priceless"

      As far as I know VoIP uses very little bandwidth an uncompressed VoIP stream is 128Kbps and modern schemes like G.729 can be as low as 12Kbps. So to use 2GB for VoIP you would have to talk for approximately 48 hours.

      This is not counting silence suppression (i.e. only one of the two people in the conversation are generally talking at any one time so the other node does not sent packets) This means that only about 40-50% of the maximum bandwidth is used on average. So you can double the 48 hours number.

  6. Australia by MishgoDog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Completely legal here - in fact, a lot of ISPs use it as a sales tool - they provide cheaper internet if you bundle it with their VoIP service to replace your home phone.

    VoIPs becoming fairly widespread these days - many big companies especially are using it, and a growing proportion of home users.

    1. Re:Australia by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I don't know of mobile phone companies here in .au that block IM.
      Vodafone don't, I was using my phone connected to my PC via USB (and using my phone data connection) while I waited for my DSL to be hooked up and I was able to access any IM I liked.

      Now US carriers blocking IM to preserve SMS revenues I can understand...

    2. Re:Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the US and I don't get IM clients blocked... I think if I went through the carriers they'd try to charge me extra for it somehow though. But I ignore the carrier as much as I can (for example, you can pay a lot less per month by buying an unlocked smart phone then asking for a SIM card with the non-smartphone rate -- same service, smaller fee.)

    3. Re:Australia by pacinpm · · Score: 1

      The same situation is in Poland.

    4. Re:Australia by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      I was hearing that Bell Canada was about to charge extra for Twitter (even people who had unlimited SMS). But I think they gave up after the twitter community got really vocal. You can fit a lot of swears into 140 characters.

    5. Re:Australia by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      They probably gave up because it's impossible to enforce - all that happens is twitter changes port, uses encryption, whatever. If it affects enough users a solution will become widely available pretty fast.

      Same here in the UK. Technically you can't use things like VOIP over mobile broadband (according to the T&C on the cheaper plans you can't even stream video so that's youtube out...) but no provider has ever come up with a way of stopping it.

    6. Re:Australia by Locklin · · Score: 1

      It's the new Email. ISPs get you to use their VOIP service, then when you decide to switch ISPs you have to change your phone number.

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    7. Re:Australia by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where do you live? In the US, we have number portability.

    8. Re:Australia by jc42 · · Score: 1

      In the US, we have number portability.

      Only in a few limited cases. Last year, my wife and I finally decided to terminate our land-line phone. It was only used by telemarketers, and everyone else used our cell phones, so why keep paying for it? We both also use Skype; her company uses it routinely for the growing portion of employees that are working at home part of the time. At the time, I also had a SIP phone as part of a job I was working on.

      Anyway, we did a bunch of checking, and found that we couldn't transfer the land-line number to any of our other "phone" services. The number is owned by the local monopoly (Verizon), and they won't even talk to you about transferring numbers anywhere but to another land-line phone, which they only allow because the FCC says they have to. If we wanted to keep the number, we had to keep paying for it as part of a land-line contract, and we couldn't make it mobile by forwarding it to another non-land-line number.

      A year later, we're still discovering cases where someone has cached our old number and had tried to use it for the first time in years. The most recent was last month, when a doctor's office tried to call us to say the doctor was home sick (;-) and they wanted to reschedule an appointment for a checkup. I'd called them a few days earlier, but nobody had noticed that their database had a different number that I was using. So I drove the 10 miles, only to tell them my cell number and reschedule, then drove back home.

      It would have been useful for cases like this to have the old number redirect to one of our cell phones, or to the Skype accounts that we both have. But this is the US; the phone companies don't have to do such things unless the FCC tells them they have to. And the FCC is run by people who think that "phone" means the old wired, single-use, voice-only comm gadgets.

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  7. Illegal in India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardware VOIP phone device is definitely illegal is India. Software VOIP I am not sure.

    1. Re:Illegal in India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardware VOIP phone device is definitely illegal is India. Software VOIP I am not sure.

      Hardware VOIP phone device is definitely illegal is India. Software VOIP I am not sure.

      But thousands of US-based Indians have VOIP phones at home in India. Vonage or whatever's available here in the US can/does work in India as well. Whether this is legal is a different matter.

    2. Re:Illegal in India by stony3k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      VOIP is not illegal in India since 2008. See this press release for more details.

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    3. Re:Illegal in India by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes." - Mahatma Gandhi

      Tell that to the people involved in the Manhattan Project.

  8. Australia by noz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People have VoIP in Australia with a publically accessible telephone number (inbound and outbound).

    But what you're saying reminds me of mobile phone companies offering internet on 3G mobile phone networks but blocking IM clients fearing their exorbident SMS revenues will disappear.

  9. Only in monopoly markets by jrumney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In most of the Western world, Governments decided in the 1980's and 1990's that competition was good for the consumer, and government telecommunications monopolies no longer exist. In those countries, VoIP is just seen as a natural evolution of healthy competition, and though individual operators might try to make life difficult for independent VoIP operators, and lobby for regulations to be imposed based on E911 (ie the ability of emergency services to find), there is no government support for banning healthy competition.

    In markets where there is still a government backed monopoly, there might be more inclination to protect that monopoly, but ultimately it is not good for the consumer or the overall economy to protect a dying technology and business model.

    1. Re:Only in monopoly markets by Velska1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In my native Finland, I was surprised to see how easy it was to break the monopoly that the government monopoly had on long-distance calls both national and international. But then we always had small, local, privately owned phone companies (or co-ops) handle local telephone business (in densely populated areas, that is). We never had a Ma Bell.

      Then when the Internet arose, all comers were welcomed to the field, which gave us one of the best connectivity rates in the world (relative to demographic factors like population density). VoIP took phone carriers by surprise in a way, but mobile phones (and the deregulation of that market) had already destroyed their major cash cow, so they were seemingly happy to have more of an excuse to sell broadband lines.

      Of course, I am no industry insider, so there may be more than meets the eye there, but I have never heard a complaint about VoIP traffic. P2P sometimes, not VoIP. The local companies are in the mobile business, too, as an alliance (there has been some consolidation, too), and we have had the highest rate of mobile penetration here until recently.

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    2. Re:Only in monopoly markets by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In markets where there is still a government backed monopoly

      It's always either monopoly or oligopoly. The established players lobby for new barriers to make it harder to be a carrier. The right-of-way is generally granted to a single company. The right to use public spectrum is controlled by a government body, and either auctioned or assigned. In other words, the government very much decides which communications carriers can exist. The government always backs the "current state of affairs" unless they are financially (or, I guess, otherwise) induced to change things.

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    3. Re:Only in monopoly markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same goes for General Motors.

    4. Re:Only in monopoly markets by tonyray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unfortunately, the US has government backed telecommunication monopolies. E911 is a good example of how it works. In most places in the US, E911 is contracted by the counties with the local telephone monopoly. When the FCC decided that VoIP providers had to provide E911 and gave them only 120 days to invent a method for doing that and putting it into place, the telephone monopolies refused to allow the VoIP providers to connect to E911 because they weren't regulated wireline telephone companies. It took court action to call the FCC off; the court stating that the FCC could not impose a regulation that was impossible to meet and order the phone companies to allow the VoIP carriers to connect to E911. However, there are still many areas of the US where the phone companies are still refusing to allow the VoIP carries to connect to E911 services.

      Wiretapping is another example. The monopolies get paid to tap phone lines - averaging about $60,000 per tap. The equipment to do this is expensive, so the government gave the money to the monopolies to implement wiretaping capability years ago. However, the FCC says that not only will they not give money to the VoIP carriers to implement wiretaps, the VoIP companies (unlike the monopolies) must do each wiretap for free or face heavy fines.

      On the happy side, Congress exempted from regulation anyone providing VoIP as long as their service doesn't connect to the publicly switch telephone network, PSTN. This means that any one with control of their own DNS can setup a SIP server, sign people up to use their server and it will complete calls to anyone else using SIP. This will break the telephone monoplies once enough people have broadband and realize they don't have to pay to have telephone service (except some tiny charge to the guy with the SIP server, or he may just do it for free). I would suggest an open source SIP server project for Windows because more people would be able to operate a Windows based server and that would speed up the whole process. There is an open source project for Linux, OpenSIP, but it is too difficult for the average enthusiest to setup and operate.

      How I see this happening is that there are (soft) SIP phones and SIP PBXs that can select the least cost path to complete a call. This allows the user to use the free route when it is available. As more and more calls are completed by the free routes, people will drop the paid VoIP services. The greatest impact of this will be the phone monopolies PSTN and their very restrictive, high priced VoIP services.

  10. New ISPs = new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see a lot of these new internet based communication technologies, that are pretty much 're-inventions' of existing industries, having a hard time setting their foot on the market.

    Mainly because the industry they are replacing is too big to struggle with. And the big guys control access to the most important requirement, that is the Internet.

    As long as cable companies serve internet, IPTV or P2P TV systems will have a hard time competing. The cable company will simply throttle your IPTV service, or they will roll their own, or just force you to use their existing TV technology.

    Your phone line/DSL based ISP will make sure that your VOIP service is unreliable just to promote their 'cheap long distance plan' that comes with their 'high speed internet'.

    In order to defeat these kinds of business models, we need independent ISPs. That is ISPs who only provide internet access and nothing else. These ISPs will have to make sure that their job is to improve their internet infrastructure to cater to the ever increasing bandwidth demand.

    I personally want to see new companies providing wide area wireless internet access.
    Say goodbye to the old, evil, traffic shaping, expensive, non-upgrading, money hungry, power hungry ISPs.

  11. Does it pose the same non-cost.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the ISP's to run VOIP as much as it is a non-cost for the wireless carriers to run text messages? If that is the case, then I can see how it would be a great way to crush the telcos, but would that then be considered anti-competitive? So the only question then would be, how much of the money the ISP's charge us for doing nothing on there end, goes to the telcos as payment for dying off peacefully?

  12. I Will Tell You When ... by LuYu · · Score: 1

    I will tell you when I am using VoIP and IM on my mobile handset. For now, it is only usable if I use my wired internet connection at home.

    The telcos of the future are all wireless carriers, right?

    Android, curiously, seems to lack support for it as well -- so much for Free(dom).

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  13. But then Telstra screws you with 30s billing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the mean time, they screw over anyone still with a normal landline by moving to 30 second billing instead of per second billing.

    They claim it was to bring it in line with the 30 second billing used with mobiles.

    Well, they could have just as easily moved from 30 second billing to per second billing with mobiles.

    Oh wait, they did have per second billing with some mobile plans at one point but they already got rid of that.

    They are just greedy. At least Sol is finally going. Maybe they will get someone who realises that you cant run Australian companies the same way as they do in the USA. That is, by just stomping over the top of everyone.

  14. In Brazil by acid06 · · Score: 1

    It's completely legal with some cable companies offering cable + VoIP and several VoIP-only telecoms here. But most of the national VoIP providers are expensive when compared to Skype (about 2-3x more expensive). One of the reasons for that is taxes: telephony (and telecom in general) is taxed at 33%. Their only advantage is reliability for incoming calls when compared to SkypeIn.

    In the early days of Skype, some ADSL providers tried to block Skype traffic in some places, it's actually not illegal for them to do that. But this only lasted for a few months as, presumably, people started switching over to cable companies (which were more than happy to grab yet another revenue stream from the telcos).

    I believe my experience might be more relevant to you as Brazil and Paraguay are neighbor countries, so the context should be somewhat similar.

  15. VoIP in Latin America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Residential User:
    Mexico - Illegal if you don't buy from one of the Telmex concessionaires.
    Nicaragua - Illegal. You go to jail for it.
    Honduras - Illegal. Jail.
    Costa Rica - Illegal. Fine.
    Dominican Republic - Illegal. Jail.
    Panama - Legal. Do whatever you want.
    Colombia - Illegal. They disconnect your Internet line if they catch it.
    Venezuela - Legal. Chaves Monopoly.
    Brazil - Legal. Plenty of providers.
    Argentina - Legal. Plenty of providers.
    Chile - Legal. Plenty of providers.

    Termination (to leak, connect a VoIP gateway to phone lines or ISDN lines and provide termination to guys like Arbinet):

    Mexico: Illegal. Jail.
    Nicaragua: Illegal. Fine and Jail.
    Costa Rica: Illegal. Fine and Jail.
    Honduras: Illegal. Fine and Jail.
    Colombia: Illegal. Fine.
    Dominican Republic: Illegal. Fine and Jail.
    Venezuela: Illegal. Fine and Jail (and some worse stuff...)
    Brazil: Illegal. Fine and Jail (They just closed a huge leak there with 12 Cisco 5350s. Guys got fined in 2 million bucks)
    Argentina: Legal. You may get problems with your ISP.
    Rest: I don't know.

    1. Re:VoIP in Latin America by acid06 · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure if by "termination" you really meant "providing termination services for third-parties without a license".
      But in Brazil it's perfectly legal to have a VoIP gateway which will route your company internal VoIP systems to the PSTN.

      Providing this service for third-parties would require a telecom license, though.

    2. Re:VoIP in Latin America by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

      [Citations needed]

    3. Re:VoIP in Latin America by johannesg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm utterly amazed that in some countries you can apparently go to jail for using a certain type of telephone...

    4. Re:VoIP in Latin America by thesp · · Score: 1

      Really? Surely you know that many forms of two-way radiotelephone misuse can also lead to heavy punishment in many jurisdictions.

    5. Re:VoIP in Latin America by catxk · · Score: 1

      I guess I know what you mean, but still. Communication is if not the number one at leat on the top three of threats against a government. Thus, one might expect the degree of democracy to be relative to the degree of regulated communication: Totalitarian regimes are likely to have no free communication, fully democratic regimes are likely to have totally free communication (I see no reason why a social-democratic regime couldn't have a phone line monopoly while still allowing free communication, it might even act as a gurantee)

      I think the (very impressive) list of South American countries reflects this quite well.

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    6. Re:VoIP in Latin America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm utterly amazed that in some countries you can apparently go to jail for using a certain type of telephone...

      I know it sounds like I'm trolling, but is it not almost as absurd that in most countries you can be thrown in jail for burning one specific type of common plant?

      Victimless crimes have always bothered me.

    7. Re:VoIP in Latin America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Residential use in Colombia is legal and most ISP offer packages with an ip phone

    8. Re:VoIP in Latin America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're amazed that hurting the profits of large, powerful corporations leads to jail time?

      Where have you been living the past couple of decades?

    9. Re:VoIP in Latin America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waiting to get out of jail Senor VoIP

    10. Re:VoIP in Latin America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In colombia is only illegal the termination and reselling the voip service. Personal use is not illegal.

    11. Re:VoIP in Latin America by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      You're right and it is absurd. We should follow their model and establish monopolies on burning this common plant and properly tap this market.

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    12. Re:VoIP in Latin America by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      You must be new here (on Earth)

  16. In India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VOIP international calls are legal but local calls are not as the state run companies and other private cos who have invested billions won't let so.

    Also, routing of internationals calls as local calls are also not allowed.

  17. What do you mean by VoIP? by A5un · · Score: 1

    VoIP need to be clarified here. Does it mean Voice that comes from IP network and terminates to PSTN? Or simply voice packets that travels through IP network and never touches PSTN?

    Honestly, I don't see how any country can outlaw voice that never terminates to PSTN. Some countries might have national PSTN monopoly but if the packets never crosses to PSTN realm, how can you outlaw it? Voice packets are almost the same as any other IP packets. Heck, a SIP proxy can be set up in no time at all and most can support TLS connection these days. Couple with some SRTP and voila.. encrypted voice packets.

    1. Re:What do you mean by VoIP? by amorsen · · Score: 1

      How can you outlaw file transfers? Heroes-S03E14.mkv packets are almost the same as Fedora-10-x86_64.iso packets. And so on and so forth.

      Lack of enforceability rarely stops lawmakers.

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  18. Deep packet inspection used for blocking VoIP by yahyamf · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Dubai in the UAE as well as in most Gulf countries, VoIP is completely illegal, and the state run telcos use DPI technology to block it. This adds about 200ms of latency to *all* packets which the telcos think is an acceptable tradeoff to preserve their monopoly revenue.

    1. Re:Deep packet inspection used for blocking VoIP by sysstemlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The software used for calling from internet to telephone are completely illegal in UAE and some other gulf countries, and they block downloading or connecting to their voip servers, however, it's possible to use voip between two computers, and it's also possible to call someone's phone in emirate from abroad using voip software. In other words, it's allowed as long as it doesn't affect the local mobile carrier.

  19. Spain by Pharago · · Score: 1

    Legal, but the first bussiness did open a few years ago; telefonica wich was state run until recently and had ownership of all physical hardware and cabling all around the country did however boicot the capability of that bussisness to cope with demand, continuos DoS and numerous hardware misshandling from telefonica's forced the bussines to close, all of that happened under the table, legal afaik, but ethically cuestionable. Now there seems to be some VoIP operators, and that kind of behaviour had already been noticed by much more people as new ISPs had to rent infrastructure from telefonica and had somewhat a similar problem, looks like telefonica keeps now a low profile, the first VoIP operator didnt have that luck.

    1. Re:Spain by Krneki · · Score: 1

      I moved to the Canary Island las year and I make my living as a Internet / software guru.

      In Spain the maximum upload you can get is 320kbps. Legally all they need to provide is at least 25% of the declared speed. When you complain about packet lost they don't understand, care or listen what are you talking about.

      We have 4 VOIP server across Europe and we switch between them according to the last amount of packet lost on the line.

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  20. "wisky tango foxtrot? I've been arrested?" by i_b_don · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So for those countries that outlaw VoIP, what is the extent of their laws? If I play a game on Steam and it has voice chat as part of the game, will I be thrown in jail? If you play xbox live with the headset on, are you busted? If you use an IM which has voice capability is it illegal to turn that on?

    Seriously, how can they make this work and still keep a functioning internet? This just seems like craziness to me.

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  21. Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think so by i_b_don · · Score: 1

    VoIP will kill conventional telephones? That's just stupid. Cell phones will kill conventional telephones way before VoIP. I bet you that there are a lot more people with cell phones than there are with personal computers and internet connections.

    I know people who were giving up their land lines years ago in the states and switching exclusively to their cells... I've yet to meet someone who has done the same with VoIP. (with out them owning a cell that is. I myself use VoIP for international calls and a cell for in-country here in Japan.)

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  22. New Zealand by geoff_syndicate · · Score: 1

    The main telcos were supposed to get together to create a registry for ENUM records which would let New Zealanders use PSTN phone numbers over a VOIP service, but they were all conveniently distracted with the number portability task, that required the skills of everyone who would have been able to create an ENUM registry. Not surprisingly, number portability was done and no one was interested in getting started on the ENUM job. InternetNZ was supposed to be leading the charge, but for some reason they're not too interested either. VOIP is legal here, but there is little enthusiasm for integrating it with the PSTN network.

    1. Re:New Zealand by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      that's basically irrelevant, since Skype, for example, operates for free over your internet. If you have sufficient bandwidth (broadband), then Skype will carry your telephone conversations over it. It is that simple.

    2. Re:New Zealand by geoff_syndicate · · Score: 1

      Yes, but with PSTN integration you can use your standard Telecom phone number and direct it to your computer or VOIP-enabled device. On an iPhone for instance, you would be able to receive phonecalls through a standard phone number, at local calling costs (ie, free) anywhere in the world.

      For some strange reason, the telcos don't want to enable such a service.

    3. Re:New Zealand by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Skype offers PSTN ingegration almost everywhere for a small fee. So it's not free... it's still pretty cheap. What's the problem?

  23. A view of VoIP status in AU by ivi · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, in Australia, we have a few serious competitors (eg, MyNetFone),
    eg, offering low-cost ATA's (1-off price to buy it of under Au$ 20)
    and VoIP service plans (to anyone who knows about them) as low as
    Au$ 0 (ie, FREE) each month, ie, pay only for your calls ( Au$ 0.10
    for up to 2 hours in each call you make to a normal Australian land-
    line; Au$ 0.15 / min for calls to Aussie mobiles); 1 DID no. incl'd.

    Retailers offer higher-priced ATA's (even from same VoIP provider),
    or did... Most get ATA's directly from MNF at subsidized prices.

    An early "visible" if more costly provider - Engine (or similar) -
    wanted you to buy an ATA for Au$ 150 or Au$ 99, a while ago, but
    have realised the futility of such high prices.

    Engine also charged a monthly fee (now, about Au$ 10 / mon) plus
    somewhat more for calls.

    MyNetFone seems to have been the most creative & versatile, eg,
    offering:

    - software for Nokia cell phones that enable one to make/receive
        calls either paying (high prices) for cellular privider's data
        or - more recently & economically - use your choice of WiFi
        provider (incuding your own home / office WiFi access-point)
        as the (cheaper) source of data to support your VoIP calls

    - support for softphones (theirs & others)

    - cheap ATA's, some with routers WiFi and/or modems, ie, a reason-
        able range of ATA brands & models, ususally locked to MyNetFone

    - (for business clients) IP-PBX options (see their site for details)

    Their low-cost call rates applied (as above), but any cell-pro-
    vider's data or other broadband data costs were - as always -
    yours to bear, along with them.

    --- Skype on a mobile phone or Sony PSP or computer:

    Mobile carrier (Hutcheonson?) "3" has offered Skype offers a
    GSM-based cellphone with facilitated, built-in Skype features;
    you can see it at Skype.com or Three.com.au.

    With a SkypePhone in hand (a user who within range of "3"'s
    broadband network can talk to any computer or Sony PSP or Skype-
    phone based Skype-user... for 4,000 minutes / mon and/or sent
    up to 10,000 text messages / month (in Skype text chat mode),
    for an incredibly low monthly fee, even if you add-in a fee
    for the SkypePhone handset. Of course, it's Skype- (not GSM-)
    voice quality. But messages sent via Skype are NOT limited to
    160 characters, as SMS chunks are.

    Sony's PSP 3002 (AU-version) includes both WiFi & Skype (voice
    only; neither SMS (since it's NOT a GSM cellphone) nor Skype
    chat-mode text messages can be sent from a PSP).

    If you bought a month or (cheaper, per mon) a year Skype "sub-
    scription," you get 1 or 3 DID no.'s based in your choice of
    any of 30+ countries, as well as 10,000 minutes of talk-time.

    So, using such a subscription, you can ring any normal landline
    number - in any of the countries on the list (of 32+ lands), etc.

    Of course Skype-to-Skype calls & chat messages remain free. :-)

    ---

    In short, enough options, easy for the end-user to setup & main-
    tain (ie, if s/he's a bit of a geek).

  24. Caribbean by masonc · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the C&W controlled monopoly islands of the english speaking Caribbean, VOIP was always a gray area. Anyone wanting to offer VOIP services required a telco license and C&W would not sell them an internet connection, but they did not block VOIP use by users. The Governments did not have any real stance on the issue as they did not understand it. Eventually, C&W accepted the inevitable and offered their own service, known as NetSpeak, but only to private users and only tied to a hardware device.
    There is a large move to VOIP by companies and now I am seeing quasi-governmental pan-caribbean agencies implementing IP PBX installations using Open Source PBX equipment. The last bastion of TDM is the hotels and I think a shift to VOIP is inevitable there also.
    The incumbent Telco will likely move to entertainment and content as long distance revenue dwindles and they are stuck with the losses of maintaining low return infrastructure. They are already slimming down operations, laying off staff and becoming a sales driven company rather than an engineering company.
    VOIP will remain legal and radically change the Caribbean, telcos will become content providers and TDM will fade into the past.

    --
    CM www.cometenergysystems.com Blog: http://caribbeanrenewable.blogspot.com/
    1. Re:Caribbean by chalsall · · Score: 1

      To expand on this a little, VoIP is strictly *illegal* in many Caribbean countries. While the authorities tend to ignore individual users, Cybercafes and companies are often raided, and equipment seized and internet connections disconnected, for offering the service.

      Here in Barbados things changed only in August of 2007, when Cabinet passed the Barbados VoIP Policy. http://www.telecoms.gov.bb/Documents/Policies/PDF/voippolicy.pdf

      This policy make it explicitly legal for consumers (including businesses) to use VoIP in any manner they wished. The only restriction is providers of VoIP services require a telecommunications license if the transactions are conducted in Barbados. (Read: Skype, for example, does *not* require a license.)

    2. Re:Caribbean by masonc · · Score: 1

      And interestingly, the head of the Public Utilities Commission in this island made it very clear to me that they do not regulate Internet, only PSTN, Cellphone, and Electricity. So it is not clear how can they require a license for VOIP if they do not regulate Internet? The reality is that the legal structure does not know how to handle VOIP. Is it telephpony, does it constitute providing Dial Tone? If that is the issue, use Dial-tone-less dialing and get around it. In my mind, VOIP is an internet service and should be viewed as such. It is DATA - nothing more. If the user owns a device to convert voice to DATA and back, and uses this device to do so over the internet, this is nobodies business. If you pay for an internet feed, then you should be free to use it how you wish (providing you are doing anything offensive).
      The VOIP issue has illustrated the intent of the so-called Public Servants to protect the revenues of the multinational monopolies over the interests of the public. Tell me again why we vote for these guys?

      --
      CM www.cometenergysystems.com Blog: http://caribbeanrenewable.blogspot.com/
  25. Ukraine by Helge9210 · · Score: 1

    Ukraine: to sell VoIP services operators are required to buy a license. Without a license it's qualified as a "refile" and results in seizure of equipment and hefty fine.

  26. Added: Skypephone Au$ 15 - $ 20 - $ 29 / mon by ivi · · Score: 1

    I managed to omit the cost for GSM + Skype service on a SkypePhone

    At intro of the SkypePhone (from Australian "3"), one could choose:

    - 24 month Au$ 29 Cap" plan (then, with a min. spend of Au$ 20 / mon)

    - buy a Skypephone & use it on a Pre-Paid basis: Min. Au$ 15 / mon

    The "$29 Cap" has since changed to have a $29 min. spend (but includes
    more GSM service, each month).

  27. Re:In Canada - what abour Net Neutrality? by ivi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Aren't you forgetting about the Net Neutrality issues, that could (if not do)
    disrupt VoIP for some Canadians?

    CBC podcasts mention a coming / recent gov't consultation, in which ISP's are
    demanding that Net Neutrality not burden them any more, in future.

  28. I roll my own by eggman9713 · · Score: 1

    If my US ISP knew I had some second hand IP-phones, a second hand computer for a TrixBox FOSS PBX, and a pay-as-you-go IAX/SIP trunk ($5 a month for local phone number, plus 2Â/min), you can bet they would TRY to shut me off since they also offer (crappy) VoIP service. But all I should have to do is say, "fine, I will take my business elsewhere" and they will roll over like a puppy if they care about surviving, anti-competitive-behavior arguments aside.

    1. Re:I roll my own by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      Get over yourself. As subversive and cyberpunk as you think you're being, your ISP doesn't give a rat's ass.

      --
      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
    2. Re:I roll my own by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Your fifty dollar a month account is worth nothing to a huge corporation, and you can make all the threats you like and usually not get anywhere. If you ever do, it's only because they're humoring you, not because they actually care about the ramifications of your cancellation threats, which most people never actually bother carrying out anyway. If a company has already determined -- whether or not their determination is correct -- that people running asterisk or trixbox servers is costing them more than it's worth, then do you think they care if you leave? To them you just became a financial liability and they're all too happy to let you become someone else's problem.

      And in many areas you've only got the local DSL or cable company anyway. What are you going to do with your threats then?

      --
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  29. Don't let nay-sayers give you the wrong impression by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    In the United States, VOIP is legal, and any decision that would change that is only vaguely hypothetical.

    The basic idea here is to support "Net Neutrality", which prevents monopolies from discriminating between types of network traffic.

    Anything else is just noise. The facts are that in most of the West, VOIP is perfectly legal and allowed. But if you want to help support that state of affairs, then mount a campaign to support Net Neutrality.

  30. Re:Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Conventional telephones are not going to die anyway because the obvious deliverer of fiber to the doorstep is the conventional telco. They might not seem to be doing so well right now but if they can invest enough in fiber to the home then they have their future cut out for them.

  31. There is no VoIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VoIP deployment for general telephony is used only as a transport medium for POTS. It will never blossom while that continues, and it will continue until users start handing out sip addresses (instead of telephone numbers.)

    We have to exterminate telephone numbers to make VoIP truly live.

    -- Newall

  32. In France by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    Here in France it is legal, except for wifi provider. Cellphone operators managed to get anti-concurrency laws about that. That's pretty stupid when one thinks about it.

    --
    The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    1. Re:In France by m0i · · Score: 1

      Here in France it is legal, except for wifi provider. Cellphone operators managed to get anti-concurrency laws about that. That's pretty stupid when one thinks about it.

      Hrm, although you can't provide a bundled voip service with wifi, you can extend triple-play voip service over wifi (freephonie, sfr, orange, they all do it) so it's really not an issue.

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    2. Re:In France by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Yes but you can't have voip over wifi on a cellphone for instance. That would contradict laws on mobile telephony. The VOIP over wifi is authorized as long as you stay at home.

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      The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    3. Re:In France by vuo · · Score: 1

      "Concurrence" means "meeting in agreement" in English, not "competetion". False friend.

  33. Re:Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think by i_b_don · · Score: 1

    Actually if Conventional telephone companies switch to delivering internet (fiber to the home), they they will care a lot less about losing their telephone business. They would rather have a single fiber line going to the house rather than a fiber and a twisted pair both. (more money for them to install and upkeep two lines).

    The problem is that telephones have become so cheap in terms of data trafficing costs that i'm sure they're a major cash cow by now so it's hard for them to let things go. Of course countries that have strong state owned telephone company may have a harder time letting go, but any free country with high internet usage wouldn't need a conventional phones lines soon.

    The telco's eventually would rather switch everybody to fiber/internet anyway so they'll just sell you your "landline" as a box they install off your property that converts their internet into VoIP anyway.

    I don't see the reason that landlines can't just die. There's no "critical app" that keeps them rooted anymore. The only reason it's still here is legacy. In first world countries, it will die as soon as market penetration gets too low, and i think that'll happen in the next 10 or 20 years.

    But as i said, cell phones will do the killing, not VoIP. More people have cell phones than have internet connections.

    d

    --
    all language nazi's will burne in heil!
  34. Germany by Britz · · Score: 1

    In Germany the mobile phone carriers charge a lot for normal phone services, but are starting to have cheap data plans. So their TOS don't allow for VOIP. There are 4 carriers. All of them do it.

  35. Zharco by zharco · · Score: 1

    Serbia and most of the other countries in Balkans: Legal since recently. My friend paid huge fine 2 years ago. State owned telco suited him for doing business "without them being involved" :) Now it's all better, same day the law was introduced commercials were everywhere, cheap cheap cheap...

  36. In Pakistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well we here in Pakistan have had a smooth ride. We have been using VOIP for as long as we can remember and there has been no restriction that i know of .
    Its another great disruptor technology IMHO.As bandwidth prices go down , better smart phones and yes MOIP technology gains ground it can give telcoms a run for their money.

  37. Legal all over Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say in all developed countries of relatively low corruption, it is legal. It did make the monopolists improve their business, but it didnt kill them. Most people are using mobile phones anyway (in China, they do that without a fixed line).

    Legal in:
    Norway,
    Denmark,
    Finland,
    Germany,
    Switzerland
    Holland,
    Belgium,
    France,
    UK,
    Spain
    Portugal
    Italy
    Pakistan
    Japan
    US
    Australia

    The rest I dont know, but it is very easy to guess
    Illegal in India (at least international)

    1. Re:Legal all over Europe by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

      Illegal in Dubai as well, iirc. They earn far too much money from international calls to allow anyone to bypass their 'phone system.

      Although that rule doesn't apply to everyone...

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      Yeah, I had a sig once; I got bored of it.

  38. Malaysia by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Informative

    Consumers are allowed to buy VoIP equipment and use it as they please. Broadband quality isn't all that great, and latency to the USA (where most providers are homed) is 250+ms, so takeup has not been huge. Skype is popular though, and USB Skype accessories are ubiquitous in computer malls and shops.

    Equipment that connects physically to the telephone network requires approval from SIRIM, a regulatory agency. I have seen SIRIM-approved stickers on Digium cards, so in principle they are amenable to that sort of thing. I know of one shop that sells SPA-3000 series devices but I haven't checked whether those are officially approved or just grey-market imports.

    A licence is required in order to interconnect with the PSTN and provide services to the public. However, many of the inbound international phone calls I receive here in Malaysia arrive with dubious local caller-ID, so I suspect there are a lot of termination providers doing things on the cheap, which in these parts usually means skipping the licence stuff.

    In general, the government's attitude has been open or at least tolerant, and the market is slowly picking up speed. All of the major ISPs offer or plan to offer consumer VoIP service, and a small but growing number of independent operators are starting to reach out to consumers. For large businesses it has been standard practice for years.

    One factor slowing the adoption of VoIP has probably been the already-low price for international calls via other means. Wholesale inbound termination is under US$0.01/minute for fixed lines, and around US$0.03/minute for mobiles. The retail cost of phone calls from Malaysia to fixed lines in US/Europe/Australia etc on my mobile is around US$0.04/minute (Digi @ RM0.13-0.18). In most countries you can't even call next door for that price; here I can call the other side of the planet.

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    "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
  39. The brewery is shut. by JerryQ · · Score: 1

    The fundamental telco problem is that they were founded on a profit model based on time/distance. You paid more for more time and more for more distance, essentially renting a circuit. IP is modelled on you pay for how fat your pipe (or tube ;-) ) is and how much you put through it, and time/distance are completely irrelevant. No national telco anywhere seems to have come up with a solution to this, so they try to hold back the tide by arbitrary control over IP content. They make me think of drunks who don't realise the brewery is now shut. Jerry

  40. Re:Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    But that is my whole point. If they can leverage their existing infrastructure to the point of delivering fiber to the home (FIOS), then they do indeed have a future. Otherwise, they probably do not. So... they should be pushing fiber with every dollar they have.

  41. Costa Rica / Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've traveled to Costa Rica and Argentina for multiple weeks and used VoIP in both those countries.

    If it is illegal in Costa Rica, they certainly don't tell anyone. I stayed in private homes with DSL, not a holiday inn.

    I know the state runs the telecom/DSL in Costa Rica, so while VoIP may be unknown to the average Tico, they certainly aren't blocking it. Pura Vida!

  42. ISPs don't fight it, they join in... by Targon · · Score: 1

    From what I have seen, the telcos know they can not win against VOIP, so since all of them are offering some form of high speed, they are also moving to offer voice services over the Internet service they provide.

    This means that you can get VOIP from your ISP, the phone companies also offer Internet service, and VOIP over what they offer. The only problem is that ISPs may weight IP traffic for their own VOIP higher than other traffic, meaning companies like Vonage may have degraded service compared to what the ISP offers.

  43. In Britain by jonbryce · · Score: 1

    VOIP is actively encouraged by the authorities, however there is very little reason to use it as PSTN is so cheap, and more reliable.

    Most people use cellphones for voice calls, as they are cheaper / more convenient than land lines. One of the mobile networks provides facilities for you to use Skype over their network, but it doesn't work as well as a standard UMTS voice call.

    I think VOIP is popular in some countries because they have an arbitrage situation where data is cheaper than voice. There is no real reason why this should be the case, and in a free market, you should expect voice traffic to fall to the same price as data traffic, and VOIP to disappear.

  44. abuse of moderation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Congratulations for abusing moderation in order to try to bury my opinion which is contrary to yours. A troll is when you say something you don't believe to try to elicit a particular response. This is not what is happening here.

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  45. Re:Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

    Plus, most internet tends to go through DSL or Cable. In this country and I suspect in most others you can't get either of those without also having a landline (kinda obvious for DSL, but for Cable it's built into the contract).

    I know of nobody who uses VOIP for their main line. I do know several who have only mobiles (and also use mobile internet, which is getting very popular despite low data caps).

  46. Poland by retsef · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Poland and EU currently there is no problem with VoIP. There are a lot of companies in EU that support Poland and some Polish companies specialized in Poland. Funny thing is that regular telecommunication companies (like Dialog Telecom -monthly subscription about 10Euro/20USD) sell also their products cheaper via internet wih VOIP (monthly subscription about 2,5Euro/5USD).

    In the past polish national telecomunication had monopoly for calls abroad, till 2004 i belive, but nobody respected it.

  47. Lebanon by welrifai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Lebanon, VoIP is actually completely illegal as it circumvents what is in some cases, a state run monopoly, and in other cases, a multi-national firm that's been granted authority to be a monopoly by a ridiculous agreement Lebanon made with the IMF (typical privatization/guarantee of private profits in exchange for a high interest loan). I wouldn't be surprised if most of the developing world is in the same boat...

  48. In The Bahamas by zotz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In The Bahamas...

    It is claimed that VOIP (say vonage) is illegal. Two local telco's supposedly provide legal voip. One is the government owned former telco monopoly.

    all the best,

    drew

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  49. Belarus (Europe) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government Internet Monopoly name: BelTelecom
    Personal usage of VOIP is Ok.
    Providing/selling VOIP service: Fine and Jail.

  50. Arised? by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    "Arised"? Please. I know the editors here aren't famed for their intelligence, but they could at least try using actual words.

  51. middle-east UAE/bahrain/qatar/kuwait/saudi/oman by mrboyd · · Score: 1

    Here in the middle-east countries known as the GCC (Gulf cooperation council) the status is mostly forbidden if it's cross border with slight variation from country to country. Bahrain being the most open (also to prostitution, boozing and pork sandwidch but that's another story).

    In the UAE (Abu dhabi, Dubai) it's ok inside the country. For example a company wishing to connect it's branches on one IP network. Using skype/sip to call outside the country is forbidden as it requires a telco license, which is a state monopoly. They've tried to multiple time to block skype and for a while they were filtering non-encrypted SIP INVITE packet. But since they let VPN and SSL+SIP go through everyone still does it and I work with many companies who have their own cross border VoIP network. I myself sometime use SIP trunk provider from canada or europe to reduce my cost. There is no way to get a SIP trunk inside those countries, and you're happy is you can even get a DSS1 PRI and not some backward CAS line.

    It all boils down to telco's (that's the state for you) being scared shitless of the loss in revenue and more importantly *control* that they have no idea what to do and how to go about it.

    Most other country are the same, with Saudi not having the infrastructure to cope with that technology anyway. It's not blocked. It's just the latency is so bad it's going to be mostly useless. You could go for a dish but it's not really discreet.

    Bahrain is the one exception, along with Jordan and possibly Yemen. Bahrain is strapped for cash (no real oil, little gas, small island.. etc) that they just allow everything and anything that may attract some businesses and turn a blind eye to the rest. We do call this place sin-city around here. Jordan has always been the most progressive ME country and a favored US partner, they need business and will do what's needed to accommodate. I suspect Jordanian actually have a clue what they are doing which does seem so obvious in Bahrain.

  52. Situation in the Netherlands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in holland, VOIP is free and inexpensive. With my ADSL account I received two VOIP-numbers, and a wireless ADSL router (Thompson 780) to which you can connect two analog phones. Calling another VOIP number is free, calling any other landline within the country costs € 0,02 a minute; calling a (Dutch) mobile is € 0.16 a minute. Foreign numbers are from € 0,02 (most of Europe; USA) to € 1,00 per minute.

  53. Dominican Republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Dominican Republic is ilegal if you try to do business with VOIP, now most TELCOS are selling VOIP Solutions. Sometimes ISP block VOIP ports.

    Here Indotel (the FCC of DR) just let big companies do whatever they want.

    The last thing the bigger telco company (CODETEL) here do was to block all the phone lines to another smaller VOIP Provider (DIGITEC - a legal VOIP Provider), and thousands users with DID Numbers of DR, including people that use DID with Skype outside of DR was affected.

    I call this a telecommunication dictatorship.

  54. In Slovenia it's legal by Vlado · · Score: 1

    Since couple of years ago it's not uncommon to get VoIP phone from you ISP in addition to the Internet connection.

    Many people choose to move since it's now also possible to take your previous phone number and migrate it to the new line. And that's independent of the fact if you stay with the service provider or move to a new one.

    Your fixed number can follow you and you never need to change it. The same goes for the mobile numbers, but that's besides the point.

  55. In Morocco it's illegal to offer it by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

    The landline monopoly, Ittisalat Al Maghrib, which is also the only land-based broadband provider (DSL) does not look kindly on VOIP resellers. There are some underground VOIP resellers but they get shut down and arrested if they are caught.

    This doesn't stop the well-off people to have a secondary vonage (or similar) landline for calling abroad but it does discourage any competition on the local level.

  56. Legal and Popular in .au by Cimexus · · Score: 1

    Probably been said above, but completely legal in Australia and actually, VoIP has a very high market penetration here compared to the US from what I can tell.

    I, and most of my friends, have no traditional PSTN voice service at all. We physically have the landline there, but there's no dialtone. It's just for DSL (so called 'Naked DSL').

    There's half a dozen big Australian VoIP services out there which offer very cheap call rates ... simply sign up to one of those, whack the relevant SIP settings in your router and you are good to go. Some ISPs offer you a discount if you bundle their VoIP service with your DSL service.

    The killer feature for me, other than low cost calls, is that you can choose a local phone number (or multiple numbers) in different cities which is fantastic if you have relatives scattered far and wide ... they can call you for local call cost). Software solutions like Skype offer this too I believe (SkypeIn numbers).

  57. Guyana by michaeld22 · · Score: 1

    In Guyana, we have a very similar issue. We have a situation where we have one major telcom provider and they have a monopoly on the VOIP Sector. As such we are left in their hands to grant us access. They have decided that it cost them lost of revenue to them

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  58. Live free or die by diego.viola · · Score: 1

    We are setting up and building VoIP servers and infrastructures no matter what here in Paraguay, and we are going to use FreeSWITCH and FOSS solutions.

  59. Honduras, VoIP Legal Limbo by aeortiz · · Score: 1

    There is no law specifically against VoIP in Honduras yet...A law proposal exists, but hasn't been ratified, that deals with this issue.

    But, that didn't stop the government monopoly Hondutel from using the district attorney's office to dismantle perfectly legal VoIP companies, accusing them of contraband international VoIP. Local VoIP calls are OK, but Hondutel alleged that since the law didn't say anything about VoIP, and specifically, international VoIP, it was illegal.

    Several of the victimized companies sued the government, and after more than a year and millions of dollars in losses, won the cases.

    The current government is very protectionist and corrupt. Caveat emptor.

  60. India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In India, computer to computer voice/video calls are legal. But a computer to landline/cellphone (in India) call is illegal as of now. Some people are lobbying hard to get that legalized but the incumbent telco cartel (Airtel, Vodafone, Reliance) is lobbying back equally hard to block it.

    Funny thing, the government owned big player (BSNL) is least bothered by it. They have a gung ho attitude about anything and everything.

    This means that people who provide termination services for Skype and the like are operating in a grey/black area.

  61. Status in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know that there was much issue about independent VOIP companies such as Vonage. But when the cable companies requested the right to sell local phone VOIP service over to there existing internet-over-cable-line network to TV subscribers... there was a lot of complaints from the telephone companies.

    I don't really know the exact ruling... but now we have the cable company selling VOIP and the telephone company selling digital TV (via ADSL or something I guess)

    I think this worked out for the best for the consumer... as our main telephone provider began slashing rates for basic service once the competition began. Both telephone and cable companies are making lots of profit.,, so I guess this made sense economically as well.

    One negative aspect about this deregulation for me personally was 'anti-competitive behaviour' by my cable company: Shaw. I originally had Internet lite which is a cheap internet package from the cable company. I was using Vonage as my VOIP provider and all worked fine. However, once Shaw introduced their own VOIP service... they reduced the Internet quality of my packets and my Vonage service became unusable. When I called them, they said that I would have to pay them a higher monthly fee for a quality-of-service package. This is absolute BS in my opinion and they know it. They were just trying to stifle Internet competition by making their service appear more price competitive then it really was.

    For this reasons (above paragraph) I really hope your country looks into "net-neutrality laws" which would prevent your ISP's from reducing quality or completely cutting-off online service which directly compete with their own offerings.

    Note: the above comments come from a personal usage perspective. I haven't the foggiest about any of the real laws.

  62. In South Korea/ROK by pryoplasm · · Score: 1

    Right now the only voip available is skype or LG Dacom's voip that I can tell. There are issues with both magic jack and vonage, however with magic jack it seems that changing the port number should work.

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  63. Re:Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

    I use exclusively DSL communication. It' delivered on a conventional telephone wire, but it has no option of using an analog phone.
    My provider rents the two kilometers of wire to my home from the former state phone company. I have no idea how much they pay though.

  64. Re:Youtube killed the radio star??? I don't think by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

    Actually if Conventional telephone companies switch to delivering internet (fiber to the home), they they will care a lot less about losing their telephone business. They would rather have a single fiber line going to the house rather than a fiber and a twisted pair both. (more money for them to install and upkeep two lines).

    It costs them zero to upkeep phone lines. All costs were from the initial investment of laying the cables to properties. That's the problem. Just because they put down wires as a state monopoly decades ago, the phone companies have control over practically every residential customer. And laying down new cables everywhere is not a realistic option.

    The telco's eventually would rather switch everybody to fiber/internet anyway so they'll just sell you your "landline" as a box they install off your property that converts their internet into VoIP anyway.

    While I don't fully comprehend what you mean, this sounds like what most providers do anyway. At their telephone stations they convert their digital fiber-based communication (both internet connection and their own telephone service) to DSL frequencies and analogue phone calls. They feed them into a filter, which you then split at your home and send to your phone and DSL modem.

    I don't see the reason that landlines can't just die. There's no "critical app" that keeps them rooted anymore.

    Judging from my provider's performance, I'd say we need minimum reliability requirements by law before we consider abandoning analog telephones. And there is still practically no consumer hardware that supports QOS.

    The only reason it's still here is legacy. In first world countries, it will die as soon as market penetration gets too low, and i think that'll happen in the next 10 or 20 years.

    As long as we still have technophobes and customers with more money than knowledge, the phone companies will continue to provide the service described above as it costs them very little on their modern infrastructure.

    But as i said, cell phones will do the killing, not VoIP. More people have cell phones than have internet connections.

    The cell phone oligopoly will, in turn, be replaced by other wireless internet providers. Their roaming and text messaging charges make the old state monopolies look cheap.

    The sooner we are charged depending on the actual expense to the provider, the better. At the moment we only have business models specifically designed to milk customers and stifle competition.

  65. In Kuwait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ministry of communication (MoC) owns the business of International calls and the sole entity that is allowed to reach Internet Service Providers outside the borders of the country.

    This means that all local ISPs have to rent from the MoC the ability to reach ISPs in United Arab Emirates (UAE) & Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA).

    The MoC bans VoIP in houses and companies and should an ISP find that you use one, your contract will be terminated. (Though they don't really check houses, yet)

    Just recently the MoC started using VoIP itself to cut costs.

    There are VoIP International phone-call shops that are setup to make cheap calls, but soon they get closed when busted.

  66. Can we wikify this? by MrJones · · Score: 1

    Can we put all these status in a wiki?

    HTH
    Oliver

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    1. Re:Can we wikify this? by kiss7 · · Score: 1

      I am a developer for Mizu softphone ( http://www.mizu-softphone.com/ ), that is a VoIP client which are used by several providers around the world. 2 from 3 of our customers ask for "modified" version because their ISP block VOIP. And we are giving out our voip software with random port changes, TLS/SRTP encryption or just some proprietary encryption and VPN tunnel capabilty. I don't really understand, how they think their tricks can restrict VOIP. The article say: " the restriction on ISPs to connect directly to international carriers". But as i know, global carriers has endless list of IP addresses :)

    2. Re:Can we wikify this? by MrJones · · Score: 1

      In the case of Paraguay, some Cisco routers were buyed in order to block VoIP by inspecting traffic, not just by limiting ports.

      Imagine a big cluster of router inspecting all traffic of the country Paraguay ...

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  67. In the United Arab Emirates (Dubai, Abu Dhabi, &am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wikipedia Links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates#Broadband_Internet_access
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etisalat#Internet_Censorship
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_(telco)#Censorship

    The two government-owned ISPs have generally blocked access to Skype, and some other wlel-known VOIP providers - however, the censorship is sporadic. Half of the Skype site is inaccessible, the other half is fine. VOIP traffic is sometimes blocked, sometimes allowed. Amusingly, when the SanDisk Cruzer (USB drive) went on sale here, it included installable copies of Skype. ( http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(2645)-SDCZ6-016G-A11-SanDisk_Cruzer_Micro_16GB_Black.aspx )

  68. Sweden, no restriction on VOIP directly by Herodes · · Score: 1

    VOIP is not directly hindered here in Sweden although the former state monopoly and the current parastatal monopoly has been a consistent antagonist to broadband development. This is of course a consequence of it being in control of the infrastructure in use and to whom you, i e other companies, need to apply for admission e g to get into the base stations. Also the conservative government in Sweden is haphazardly trying to regulate and monitor Internet traffic as well as all other public communications. The debate has gone wild and personal integrity is losing ground by the hour as the multinational companies are choking states and democracies to comply to their marketing strategies and tactics referring to outdated legislation and practices; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGpJH5-MjtQ. The forefront runners to attack and challenge this legislation and in fact sheer idiocracy are the guys behind thepiratebay who are courageously and with fortitude fighting for this upright cause; http://trial.thepiratebay.org/