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Utah Senate, House Pass Jack Thompson's Game Sales Bill
Ars Technica reports that the Utah State Senate and House have both passed Jack Thompson's proposed legislation that would stiffen penalties for the sale of M-rated games to minors. Oddly, on its trip through the state legislature, amendments rendered it largely ineffective; retailers are in the clear if the employee who sold the game goes through a training program, or if the minor misrepresents his age. It's also possible that the bill could cause some retailers to simply take down their ESRB-related advertising. Thompson's statements about the bill put the focus on advertising, but discussion on the Utah Senate floor had a familiar ring, touching on the story of a Grand Theft Auto player who killed two policemen in 2003. The ESRB wrote an open letter in opposition of the bill, saying it could undo the efforts they've made to popularize their rating system. The bill's sponsors fired back, questioning the industry's overall commitment to ratings, and now it awaits only the governor's signature before becoming law.
STILL listening to Jack Thompson? He's already been certified crazy, disbarred with extreme prejudice (out of a cannon, into the sun) and will probably never practice law ever again.
Besides, we all know Jack Thompson died when Penny Arcade was honored by Washington.
Didn't Jack Thompson die?
must be required to at least pass the 3rd grade?
Even if one video game player killed a cop, that doesn't begin to make things equal to cops who kill with tasers, or cops who accidentally kill innocent civilians because they are too fucking ignorant to make sure they are doing the no-knock raid on the right house.
More fairness in legislation! Yes, the Utah legislators are right on the money for this one. God forbid terrorist game players ever leave the grip of their game consoles.... fucking idiots
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From skimming a selection of the linked sources, the gist is that they're using a false advertising angle: if a retailer says "we won't sell M-rated games to children" (like most do), and then sells them anyway, they will be fined; however, if a retailer makes no such claim, they'll be unaffected. So the safest choice for a retailer is to simply drop their voluntary policy not to sell M-rated games to minors, to avoid liability in case they ever make a mistake.
Only three GTA players have killed cops? GTA must make people less likely to kill cops. After all, think of all the killing of cops not associated with GTA players.
Hmm, perhaps an occasional game of fake-blow-shit-up would make disaffected youths less likely to really-blow-shit-up? It is all about the kids, right?
You couldn't pay me to live there. The funny thing is that I know some Mormons who feel the same way. I guess Utah Mormon is a bit of a different breed than Mormons from almost everywhere else. It must be the effect of any one group having a majority. They get to be assholes.
I love how state after state try to pass this exact same bad law, only to have it shot down in the courts and they have to pay legal fines.
Great to know they're doing something productive.
'Training programs' sound like a money-maker for the videogame censorship movement.
Utah Senate, House Pass Jack Thompson's Game Sales Bill
Oddly, on its trip through the state legislature, amendments rendered it largely ineffective...
So why do you still complain? They added amendments that make the things you fear not happen. I understand that you don't like Utah, but stop making stuff up just to bash them.
What the bill is saying is that if a minor wants to buy an 'adult' rated game, they will have to go one step further than simply walking into a shop and buying it. Were I a parent, I wouldn't mind that the child would have to ask me to buy it for him rather than him having access to it directly himself.
Unfortunately, no. You are probably thinking of Jack Valenti, who died in 2007.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Picture the sales clerk saying OK kid! You must first misrepresent your age before I am allowed to sell you this game!
im sick of the government censorship. i want to see raw, hard core donkey cock on my TV at 5pm, without judgement or interference from nanny dearest and big brother.
murdering prostitutes in GTA is a good start, but im not really into that sick stuff. im into good old fashioned asiniphilia.
As a zombie, he must be starving in Utah.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
stop making stuff up just to bash them.
I'm pretty sure that's all your post does. Where does the article summary "complain," or "bash" Utah?
This. Is. Utaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
First Utah gives us Orrin Hatch and the DMCA. Then see attempts to regulate keywords. Now this?
Utah, could you just leave the union and maybe we can replace your star with American Samoa?
The fact that 3 people who have killed police officers played violent video games results in this law? How about this.
All cop killers have breathed oxygen.
Therefore use of oxygen may lead to killing cops.
So they should outlaw breathing oxygen,
Starting in the Utah state house and senate.
Im sure that it will be much more effective in stopping crime. :)
I trust Microsoft as far as I could comfortably spit a dead rat
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Not to mention the fact that DHMO can be connected to almost EVERY murder in the United States! All those people dead because someone was allowing this compound into his or her body.
Just look at some of the uses this deadly chemical is used for:
Jack Thompson must be alive, because I don't remember seeing anything on CNN about an anti-gaming crusader's death being blamed on video games, nor do I remember any recent Congressional hearings investigating weather or not Thompson's death was inspired by the Grand Theft Auto: IV mission where the player must kill an anti-gaming self-proclaimed "moral crusader" attorney, who states, just before the player must kill the man, that "Guns don't kill people. Video games do."
What kind of moron would allow legislation proposed by a possible psychotic who's ethics and actions are so out of bounds that he's been permanently disbarred from the profession of lawyer?!?!
This question leaves itself open to some interesting answers...
People on /. were laughing at this guy for getting disbarred and saying he's done but it turns out that Old Jack is pulling some strings at the political level and /. c.s. are still powerless to do anything.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
Hopefully the ESRB will lose its power in the industry and games will be able to flourish as movies did prior to their censorship by the MPAA. Putting a "18+" sticker on a game should be the responsibility of the game designers. Knowing if the game is appropriate for their children or not is a responsibility of the parent. Refusing to stock games with an 18+ sticker as a major retailer, however, only limits the already pretty limited (by technology and marketing) creative potential of game developers.
Explaining to your child why an adult game or movie or program isn't for him or her is surprisingly easy to. "Its not that these games will hurt you or control you or that your not smart enough to understand the material within these games. Its simply that they weren't designed for you. Like watching C-SPAN or the history channel or reading a book on Nietzche instead of a comic book. If you want to play these games, watch some adult television and read some of these books first. Your not missing out on anything."
9 times out of 10, that's the truth too. Honestly, I've enjoyed many "childrens" games just as much as "adult" games. Putting sexual, violent or otherwise inappropriate content into your game doesn't make it a better or worse game. Saying it does it like claiming science fiction settings are better than fantasy settings for roleplaying games...
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I don't understand the uproar over the fact that someone is attempting to enforce the restraints suggested by the ESRB. I suppose you might actually be upset that they are wasting tax dollars... but if that is the case, then say so. (The article seems to notice this, I'm just referring to the replies that I have read so far)
If you have a problem with the idea that a game rated "Mature" might only be appropriate for someone "mature", then consider what the article actually says. The Utah legislature didn't make that call, they are just trying to enforce it.
rtfa?
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand this sig, and those that beat up people who do.
Its Utah what do you expect? They wear special underwear to protect them from the world and remain in touch with "god"
Jack Thompson fits right in with those crazy fucks.
... what do you expect? Rationality?
I preferred the RSAC system, which actually required some thought.
HB0353 Text, this bill adds lines 82-85.
13-11a-3. Deceptive trade practices enumerated
83 (u) (i) advertises that the person will not sell a good or service labeled with an age
84 restriction or recommendation to a person under the age restriction or recommendation; and
85 (ii) sells that good or service to a person under the age restriction or recommendation.
"In the 1800s all the Morons moved to Utah"
So... why is this rating system apparently ignoring the progress of empirical research?
Ferguson, Christopher J.; Rueda, Stephanie M.; Cruz, Amanda M.; Ferguson, Diana E.; Fritz, Stacey; Smith, Shawn M. (2008). Violent video games and aggression: Causal relationship or byproduct of family violence and intrinsic violence motivation? Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol 35(3), 311-332.
Abstract:
Two studies examined the relationship between exposure to violent video games and aggression or violence in the laboratory and in real life. Study 1 participants were either randomized or allowed to choose to play a violent or nonviolent game. Although males were more aggressive than females, neither randomized exposure to violent-video-game conditions nor previous real-life exposure to violent video games caused any differences in aggression. Study 2 examined correlations between trait aggression, violent criminal acts, and exposure to both violent games and family violence. Results indicated that trait aggression, family violence, and male gender were predictive of violent crime, but exposure to violent games was not. Structural equation modeling suggested that family violence and innate aggression as predictors of violent crime were a better fit to the data than was exposure to video game violence. These results question the common belief that violent-video-game exposure causes violent acts. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2008 APA, all rights reserved)(from the journal abstract)
That's not Interesting, that's Funny!
For those moderators who don't get it, Morcombe, Slant and Honeyplace are a famous solicitor's office in Ankh-Morpork, on the Discworld; Morcombe and Honeyplace are vampires, and Slant's a zombie.
Wow, what a fantastic business opportunity. Black market games sales based on a pyramid distribution of minors selling to minors! And the best part is that the wholesale aspect is completely legal!
Wuhu, I'll make millions!
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It also helps us flush toxins from our kidneys, it drives photosynthesis and can be applied to your crops to increase their growth. It also protects your internal stomach wall from being damaged by hydrochloric acid, and has various health benefits (be wary of excessive consumption, though: that may cause hyperfrequent urination).
I think DHMO has benefits that outweigh the disadvantages, and its use should be allowed with governmental regulation.
;-)
"Retailers are in the clear if the employee who sold the game goes through a training program."
I wonder which politicians friend will be given the no-bid contract on administering the "training program"? Should bring in a nice fee... 50% of which can be funneled into back into a campaign fund.
This is clearly off-topic, but the summary has way too many links. I find myself incredibly distracted while attempting to read it.
I'm having a hard time connecting the age-limit restriction and the death of two police officers. Is this to say that if a 35 year-old person were to shoot a police officer, we should restrict violent game sales to only those who are 36 or older? These phony imposed age-limits need to go and let parents decide what is best for our kids instead of the government. My kids (13 and 9) will have a harder time drumming up $50 for the game than they would buying it underage anyways.
I was up at the Utah capitol building (for entirely separate reasons) and had the opportunity to hear from both the Senate and House sponsors of this bill before it passed. It's funny here to read that it got watered down so that it was not effective - the bill was never intended to be punitive in nature. The intent was that the bill would just be a gentle nudge to game retailers who had voluntarily pledged not to sell mature games to minors. In other words it started out watered down by design
...isn't Dihydrogen Monoxide a fancy phrase for "water"?
The Utah legislature is driven by a well organized grass roots organization called The Eagle Form. Because the state legislature is not politically balanced (somewhere 80% Republican), there are no moderates. At times it seems as though elected representative are fighting to be more conservative than each other. So despite lack of collaborating evidence and being generally uninformed, a minority of ultra conservatives push the legislative agenda. Valuable time is wasted voting on issues such as this.
The sad thing is, the control of the State legislature to regulate the purchase of video games is moving beyond their control. Online purchases and distribution are moving the ability to legislate issues like this into a gray area of law that isn't well defined.
I bike, get your fucking polluting car off the road you are hurting my health with your fumes!
No genius, I was referring to the argument you made about how your rights end at my lungs. Even the most efficient car produces far more pollution than the biggest nastiest cigar in the world. People like you just want to have a jihad against something you don't do, but are more than happy to destroy the health of others when it is something YOU do.
Wow. Jack Thompson hasn't been ripped to shreds by rabid wolves yet. How... strange. o_O