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Australia's Vast, Scattershot Censorship Blacklist Revealed

mask.of.sanity writes "Australia's secretive Internet filter blacklist held by its communications watchdog has been leaked, revealing the government has understated the amount of banned Web pages by more than 1000. Multiple legitimate businesses and Web sites have been banned including two bus companies, online poker sites, multiple Wikipedia entries, Google and Yahoo group pages, a dental surgery and a tour operator. Andrew Twaits, CEO of Betfair, a billion-dollar business blocked by the blacklist, was furious the government has potentially annexed tens of millions of dollars in revenue after the Betfair.com gambling site was blacklisted. The blacklists were reportedly leaked by a Web filter operator to wikileaks which has published the full list of banned URLs. Outraged privacy advocates say the government has effectively lied about the amount of URLs included in the blacklists, totaling more than 2300, and the type of content which it would ban. The leak follows a series of attacks on the watchdog in which irate users successfully lobbied for web sites to be banned, only to be threatened with an $11,000 fine for publishing the link contained in the PR response. It was also revealed the watchdog can ban Web sites at a whim, with no accountability."

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  1. I did a CTRL+F by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then I typed the word "Goat" - I saw the .cx variation - well, at least they're making some attempt at saving the populace from the horrors of the web.

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    1. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I stated on the petition to reinstate Goatse's domain, instead of having a single site to block there we are now stuck with dozens of mirrors. The internet now has more gaping arsehole to gaze at than ever before. Furthermore, the constant attempts to shut down shock site's domains leads to them registering multiple domains in various TLDs to ensure at least one or two of the domains stays registered.

    2. Re:I did a CTRL+F by SupremoMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought that was the best part of the internet.

    3. Re:I did a CTRL+F by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then I typed the word "Goat" - I saw the .cx variation - well, at least they're making some attempt at saving the populace from the horrors of the web.

      So that would mean that Slashdot has (or likely will be) blacklisted, because it has most of the criteria for blacklisting: it posts secret, patented numbers; sites about gay Negroes, goats, gambling, and references the links to banned and immoral Internet domains (like in this front page story).

    4. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So they're banning perfectly legal gay porn?

    5. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is unlikely that Mr. Goatse is completely gay because you can see his wedding ring in the famous shot.

      Mr. Goatse may be bi, or he may just like to put stuff in his butt. According to Cosmopolitan magazine, a surprising number of men enjoy inserting things in their anuses. Additionally, God invented homosexuality -- why else would a man be able to have a prostate orgasm? So Mr. Goatse and his wife may have fooled around, starting with a finger or two and moving on to inserting whole forearms years later.

    6. Re:I did a CTRL+F by ghostcorps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes! That is exactly what it means. Australians have very few 'rights'. The free speech thing.. forget it.

      There is a big issue with blogs, because, by Australian Law any presentation that may encourage dissent is illegal (remember: we were originally a penal colony). So the very nature of blogs.. ie opinionated ranting, ensures that they can be shut off without notice if anyone says they were offended. Indeed we have already seen this with wikipedia, wikileaks, yahoo and google group pages. Essentially, any ideas that have not been vetted by the govt is open to any misinterperetation and repurcusions..

      Behold ... the future

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    7. Re:I did a CTRL+F by m.ducharme · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or he may be married to another guy.

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    8. Re:I did a CTRL+F by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So that would mean that Slashdot has (or likely will be) blacklisted

      On the bright side, productivity in Australian IT departments will skyrocket.

    9. Re:I did a CTRL+F by dbIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Guess who owns the "cx" top level domain? The Australian government since they own the territory of Christmas Island.

    10. Re:I did a CTRL+F by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Up until the 1950s, there was a blacklist of books in Australia.

    11. Re:I did a CTRL+F by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Arguably by making it easy to find you make it easy to avoid.

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    12. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Xest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "(remember: we were originally a penal colony)"

      Did someone forget to re-write the law books when you became independent or something??

    13. Re:I did a CTRL+F by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well the competition wasn't very stiff.

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    14. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Lord+Nerevar · · Score: 3, Informative

      We are not independent. We are constitutional monarchy, which means that the Queen is still the Head of State. However, I think that the law that makes a presentation that may encourage dissent illegal only still stands because the people who can change either don't want to to or can't be bothered.

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    15. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep; and most of that productivity will be spent in finding ways around the blacklist.

    16. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Lunzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last I heard there are still some books which are banned. For example, I think one of Dr. Nitschke's Euthanasia books is banned here.

    17. Re:I did a CTRL+F by shungi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, one right right we do enjoy here in Oz is the right to 'political communication'. It would be intersting to see if the abortion people who've been listed took issue with this in the high court what the outcome wouldbe... Indeed, one might take issue with the whole list on that basis...

    18. Re:I did a CTRL+F by MicktheMech · · Score: 4, Informative

      For the love of God, learn about your own civic structure. Australia is independent. The Queen rules Australia in right of Australia, completely separately from any other realm. The UK parliament has had zero authority over Australia since the statute of Westminster. The only reason that Australia has the same queen as the UK, Canada, etc... is because we all CHOSE to abide by the same succession criteria. Don't go crying to the rest of us if you don't like your laws. You only have your own selves to blame and we won't be your scapegoats.

    19. Re:I did a CTRL+F by dov_0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I must admit that I was one of the few supporting the blacklist, when all they said they'd block was porn. In the original proposal users could 'opt out' of the automatic censorship by contacting their ISP. Families can cruise the web with more confidence and those who want porn can get it easily. No probs.
      When they put the anti-abortion site on the blacklist they made an enemy of me. That's political. That's an attempt to stifle public debate. Public debate is the basis of democracy. The current Labour government is the most pro abortion government we've ever had in Australia with a number of 'Emily's List' MP's to boot.
      Guess I'd better not annoy anyone in that department too much though or those hairy arm-pitted lesbian feminist civil 'servants' will block my business website as well!

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    20. Re:I did a CTRL+F by ATMD · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not after they saw Goatse, at any rate.

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    21. Re:I did a CTRL+F by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some other guy already corrected you, but I love how your comment is phrased, as if the U.K. would storm in and start shooting you fuckers if you didn't do what the queen said.

      Historical documents like the Magna Carta and the Constitution are wonderful statements, but they gain their power because the people give their assent, not by historical fiat. All political systems and documents share this trait.

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    22. Re:I did a CTRL+F by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why would you want opt-out, instead of opt-in? I don't particularly like the idea of having to go to an ISP and identifying myself directly as either a subversive or a pervert. Much easier, don't you think, to have all those people out there who do want something like this to opt-in, so they can be easily identified as people who need someone else to regulate their internet use.

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    23. Re:I did a CTRL+F by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

      [Voice=Paul Hogan]
      Oy mate, that's not an anus. THIS is an anus!

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  2. thanks, australia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    i took a quick look at the blacklist and found some porn sites that i didn't know about. awesome! it's like a pre-filtered list of quality porn links! they saved me a lot of surfing time!

    1. Re:thanks, australia! by Spit · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's like a "What's HOT!" zeitgeist for the discerning pervert.

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  3. That they would get power, then abuse it... by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can only watch as my jaw is hanging limply. I can't believe that anyone who got power to do something would abuse that power. Really. Truly. They promised they wouldn't when we brought it up before. They said they were only doing it for us.

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    1. Re:That they would get power, then abuse it... by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is I told you so redundant?

      There is NO reason to trust any government, ever. period.

      The more they ask you to trust them with, the less you should trust them. This is the rule of the land. Governments are not here to help anyone but themselves. When you get rid of one bad politician, 10 more are ready to take their place. They say that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Think about that for a minute. These people are not absolute rulers and look how fucked up they are. The more we trust them with, the more fucked up they will get.

      No, there is no simple answer, but citizens should never allow such things as this to exist in the first place. In the US, the second amendment helps to ensure that citizens have a method for revoking license given to governments... if it comes to that.

      P.S. They are NEVER doing anything for you, they (the government) always do things for themselves. They just say it's for you, kind of in the same way that a rapist says "this is for you" before they start in on you.

    2. Re:That they would get power, then abuse it... by Toonol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The bill of rights pertains to individuals, not states. The framers knew their philosophical shit; rights belong to all humans, and only to humans. The 2nd amendment was more fundamental than either of those issues. It wasn't just for the defense of the states, it wasn't just for defense against rogue governments. It was a recognition of the fact that it is right that all men should be allowed to fight to defend their life and freedom. It is as morally wrong for the government to deprive people of the tools to defend themselves, as it is wrong to deprive people of the ability to speak or worship. And here's some advice: Far smarter people than you and I disagree with you. Far smarter people than you and I agree with you. That doesn't indicate who is right; but it does mean that calling the other side 'ludicrous' indicates you are probably approaching the issue irrationally.

  4. Broken link in summary... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Informative

    The www.techworld.com.au blog link in the summary is broken. It is missing couple of "s" letters.
    Here is a working link:

    http://www.techworld.com.au/blog/broadbandvoice/2009/03/acmas_blacklist_a_bigots_battleground

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  5. Wikileaks by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    god bless wikileaks.

    1. Re:Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    2. Re:Wikileaks by digitalchinky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would be utterly trivial. No internet café needed. You're talking about huge Australian ISP's here, it's not that hard to make shit vanish if you drive the network. You have a bunch of very technically literate people that have complete control over what their systems log, this often encompasses some very large chunks of the routing between themselves and the international border. Making all the hops within Australia actually vanish is probably a couple of minutes work, and it's not like wikileaks is actually going to leak what they know just because Conroy is frothing at the mouth so bad and threatening to get the Australian Federal Police on the case.

  6. Black Lists help open up the Internet by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Funny

    The blacklists were reportedly leaked by a Web filter operator to wikileaks which has published the full list of banned URLs.

    These numerous government blacklists have proven to be a boon to porn and gambling industries. There are Web sites that I never would have even thought to go to if it weren't for these black lists. I want to thank the government of Australia for helping to open my eyes and my mind to the vast unseen Internet.

  7. Re:False alarm by afaik_ianal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No they haven't, they've just said there are things on the published list that are not on the official list. They don't say that there's anything in the official list that's not on the published list. I suspect it's been intentionally seeded. It's kind of typical of politicians to say things in a way that sound like they're saying something else. You'll also notice he's threatening to launch an investigation into the people who released it. If it's not the list, then what exactly are they going to investigate?

  8. lolcats being censored by muzzy · · Score: 5, Informative

    My favourite from the list: files.kavefish.com/pictures/collections/funny_cat_pictures/_index-list.html

    It's just funny cat pictures and nothing suggets there's ever been anything else.

    Also, the list (although a month older than one on Wikileaks) can be obtained from Integard filter software. Hex edit the integard.exe and change first occurence of "datetimepicker.js" to websites_ACMA.txt, then login to integard's webUI and request that file. Apparently there's a whitelist of files the webUI server can give to the user. I've confirmed myself that the lolcats URL is indeed in that ACMA file from the filter software...

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    1. Re:lolcats being censored by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's just funny cat pictures

      Well, it's understandable why they blocked it - it's kitty porn. /me ducks.

    2. Re:lolcats being censored by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it's understandable why they blocked it - it's kitty porn. /me ducks.

      I could presume it's because Australians aren't allowed to see any "pussy".

    3. Re:lolcats being censored by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought it was just pussy pics...
      /me ducks

    4. Re:lolcats being censored by muzzy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Before anyone mentiones about it, yes, I did check the commented out images too. They're funny cats as well, probably commented out to ease the load of the page.

      Other gems from the list:
      www.kids.net.au/forward.php?url=www.energizingbuddies.cc/ ... apparently the domain expired, and the ACMA decided to censor the redirect link instead of telling kids.net.au to remove the link!
      The whole forward.php has disappeared since, as well as that entry, the energizingbuddies.cc existed back in 2002...

      The happysong.com.tw url ... which has phpBB2 url with a sid in it. A session ID! So, nobody browsing the forum would actually get their access censored, only the guy with that specific session ID and the people that link to that specific URL.

      Ofcourse, 4chan's /b/ and encyclopedia dramatica are on the list, too. Since they censor stuff like animal cruelty as well I can understand that, because there probably is plenty of risque material on the sites.

      Also spotted sam hocevar's (VLC developer) site on the list, with two urls. Apparently he saved an animal abuse image from 4chan and somehow got it on the ACMA blacklist.

      There are also plenty of porn sites with a referrer in the url, a lot of TGP's like that on the list. Shows that whoever submitted them for review was browsing porn and actively clicking around. Some of the sites are listed multiple times with different referrer IDs in the URLs too, egrep '/\?(id=)?[a-z.]*.?$' for a list. One site is listed 3 times with different referrer in the URL :)

      A bunch of newsgroups have been censored at either myusenet.net, free-usenet.net, groups.google.com, groups.google.com.au or usenet-replayer.com. Only single groups, pages or messages. And ofcourse, the same content is still available at the other usenet archive sites.

      Well, that's some gems to begin with. Haven't bothered doing a full analysis of the content, kinda lacking the willpower to do more than just random dabbling.

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    5. Re:lolcats being censored by cyxxon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep, really just lolcats, just checked, not blocked here at work. Of course, there are pictures like "Oh mai god, ceiling cat is watching me masturbate" (a cat with a surprised face), so there is your sex. And oh, a wet cat that looks like it really enjoyed their owner bathing them, so there is your animal cruelty...

  9. Try to curb any impulses to click... by NevarMore · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just loaded up the wikileaks page and I hope I didn't make a mistake I'm going to regret.

    Some of those links at are perfectly normal, the gambling ones, the wikipedia ones, nothing unusual.

    Some of those links at are icky. Things that the extreme pro-lifers like to use in their pamphlets while I'm eating lunch icky.

    Some of those links are actually very nasty and abhorrent. Worse than goatse.

    Don't go randomly clicking.

    Don't go randomly clicking!!

  10. That was easy... by happyslayer · · Score: 5, Funny

    [Bookmarks] -> [Bookmark This Page] -> [Done]

    Australia's Secret Internet Filter: Your one-stop shopping for porn!

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  11. I've said it before by twostix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I'll say it again.

    In the haste to throw out the smarmy blue blooded $50k a year private school aristocrat wannabes known as the liberals out of government, we've introduced something that's so far been *far* worse. And I say that as someone voted for them!

    At least the liberals had a solid grounding in running the country and seemed to know what the hell they were doing. So far Rudd and that dimwitted treasurer Swan have been blundering about without any sort of cohesive strategy and burning through billions of dollars a day doing it.

    It would seem that like any 'revolution', when the dust settles usually the country ends up worse off when the populist leader takes power.

    Even my father, a dyed in the wool blue collar labour man has started questioning whether Rudd's more interested in selling us out to China, financially AND ideologically than the he is in the national good. What sort of politician pushes something like this onto his own free country?

    Who is Rudd really? (Seriously I'm genuinely interested).

    1. Re:I've said it before by Cathbard · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It was a damned if you do and damned if you don't sort of thing. We had to get rid of Howard with his IR laws and his other extreme right policies or we would have become america. However the alternative was a pack of wankas. Still, he had to go or else we would have ended up with the poor dying in the street like other hard core right wing countries (you know who you are).

      As for Rudd? He's one of the richest politicians in Canberra (oh sorry, it's all his wife's money /snark) and he's the leader of the Labour Party - I mean wtf? It just shows that we don't have a Labour Party any more. Thats what we really need, an old school Labour Party so we can switch back and forwards between the left and the right and retain a sensible balance like we once had.

      It's like Lewis Black said about the Bush vs Kerry election - "we were offered two bowls of shit, the only difference was the smell." All you can do really is vote for the opposition at every election so each bowl of shit doesn't create a permanent stain.

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    2. Re:I've said it before by tg123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why I'm voting LNP tomorrow...the local labor mob in charge now are greedy commies; yeah I'm talking to you Bowen mayor Cr Brunker!

      NO!!!!!!!

      please... I'll even beg [beg]

      If you can not vote labor, vote greens at least then you can have a clear conscience and a warm inner glow.

      I do not want the cops to be in charge again.

      http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Author/Home?author=Whitrod,%20Ray,%201915-2003

      I least labor lies with a smile on their face.
      (grama nazis are you happy ? correct syntax that time.)

      The nationals, thats what LNP really are (the liberals in qld do not exist anymore), are a corrupt bunch of country bumpkins.

    3. Re:I've said it before by burgundysizzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like I'd take that request seriously. Throw out the incompetents (Labour) for the crazies (the Greens) - your post should be modded funny not interesting.

    4. Re:I've said it before by dbIII · · Score: 2, Interesting
      To put the above link in perspective Terry Lewis went from being the top cop in an area with a population of less than 2000 to being police commissioner of the entire state after Whitrod resigned. He later spent time in jail as did several members of the government of the time.
      Borbage's later government was marked with similar corrupt events to a lesser scale. For example the budget of the R&D section of the electricity commission was raided to pay over a million in "Real estate consultancy fees relating to China" to the notable National Party member Max Christmas - far more notable since a state owned electricity commission was not going to buy any land in China and Max Christmas had not even been to that country. Losing most of the budget to a handout to a mate meant several job losses. That's the sort of thing you can expect from a "clean" National Party.

      For a US equivalent there were a few governments in Georgia that were very similar - agrarian socialists on the surface but outright fascists in so far as dealing with city folk.

  12. Conroy on ABC's Q&A next Thursday by kramulous · · Score: 4, Informative

    Conroy is going to be on the ABC's QandA next Thursday evening at 9.30pm.

    That should be good viewing :)

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    1. Re:Conroy on ABC's Q&A next Thursday by Griffyn · · Score: 2, Funny

      It'll only be good if the audience is armed.

    2. Re:Conroy on ABC's Q&A next Thursday by Cameron+McCormack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'll be in the audience. Suggestions on the most effective way to point out flaws in the proposed censorship regime welcome. :)

    3. Re:Conroy on ABC's Q&A next Thursday by SandmanWAIX · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll be in the audience. Suggestions on the most effective way to point out flaws in the proposed censorship regime welcome. :)

      Throw a shoe at him.

  13. Not the ACMA blacklist by Flynsarmy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It should be noted that this isn't actually the ACMA blacklist. It's actually a list derived from the ACMA blacklist as stated on the wikileaks article in the summary.

    1. Re:Not the ACMA blacklist by beta.services · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also of note: The list displayed is apparently about twice the size of the official list. - This, of course, is the claim of the Government. I would like to see some proof that this is or isn't the official list. From either the Government or WikiLeaks (Un)fortunately, the only way to do this is for the official list to be released.

  14. Not a hoax by muzzy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not a hoax. I've confirmed it myself by ripping websites_ACMA.txt out of Integard filtering software. Even if it's not identical to ACMA's own list, it damn well is identical to Integard's version of ACMA's list.

    The list is real.

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  15. Re:False alarm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's just obvious attempt at spin/cover-up. Some simple (as these things go) binary reverse engineering of the "Intergard" content filter already showed a similar (though not-identical, earlier) [snapshot of the] list - after all, it's a dynamic blacklist.

    http://techwiredau.com/2009/03/was-an-acma-blacklist-leaked/

    So, yeah, of course it's the real list, as at mid-2008. The current ACMA list is probably even bigger and more abuse-of-power filled.

    Look, nobody not mentally ill likes true child porn. But consider keeping something valuable - do you demand everyone chop off their hands so they don't steal your gold? Or do YOU put it somewhere safe, with CCTV surveillance? So it is with children -
    they don't have adult legal rights, being children. So monitor _children_, perhaps even encrypted feeds over the internet (and monitor who's watching the feeds, mind - unless they're parents or peers they're almost certainly sickos). When children turn 18, they get full adult legal rights, including right to privacy, and the camera monitoring is disengaged.

    i.e. if you want to keep children safe, restrict and monitor them, not everyone else, just like keeping anything else precious safe.

    When someone says "think of the children" about installing internet censorship, their goal is internet censorship, not keeping children safe!

  16. Ok Australia, time to show us your true colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When Bush took over America and went down many, many bad roads, the world took us to task. For cause. It wasn't news to us, and admittedly many of those taking us to task lived in even more corrupt places, but this is America. We don't do 'wrong', and that shit was clearly wrong, and it should never have happened.

    We're supposed to be the good guys, dammit. Well, now the money's on the table, the vote came, the vote was made, we exorcised our demon and repairs are being made at record pace. We are the good guys, that never changed, and we're cleaning the tarnish that those brought to our shine. It's never perfect, nothing is, but we're at least going to try.

    Well here in America, last we knew, Australia was a land of good guys too. Inviduality. Freedom. The good fight. SO WHAT THE FUCK'S GOING ON DOWN THERE?!? How the hell is this going on WITHOUT a 9/11?

    It's time for the citizens of that fair nation to show us what they got. Time to whip out the vote and make things perfectly clear. Write a letter. Make a sign. Anything. I don't doubt that Australia has it in them, but if you're waiting for the right time, it looks like it's passed!

    1. Re:Ok Australia, time to show us your true colors by Cathbard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We did kick out the fascist prick that had his head firmly planted up Bush's arse. He even got booted out of his own electorate (which hasn't happened since the war). Bush even gave the little prick a medal for brown-nosing. The dirtbag trying to bring in this filter was our only alternative!

      There is of course the chance that the filter will never be implemented and is all just a "Yes Minister" ploy (just as the responder to "False Alarm" suggested) to get the senate on side until the Industrial Relations act was passed. Industrial Relations was by far the main reason they won the election and the delay in changing it was making them look REAL bad. Now that that bill has passed there is a good chance that this may all be abandoned - time will tell. Let's all keep our fingers crossed hey?

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  17. Re:UK and Australia by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the US there is a lot of overlap between the Christian extremists and the Libertarians. The few christian extremists we have in Australia don't subscribe to libertarian views.

    Another factor here is the role of minor parties in the upper house of parliament. The Christian senator pushing the filters got in with less than 1000 primary votes. Most likely he got a lot of preferences because of the number of worse sounding groups on the senate ballot paper.

  18. Re:False alarm by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'll also notice he's threatening to launch an investigation into the people who released it. If it's not the list, then what exactly are they going to investigate?

    Who embarrassed them.

    Kinda like when it was discovered the CIA was running secret prisons around the globe.
    Government didn't want to investigate "what are they doing at these prisons" it was "who leaked their existence."

    Shameful really, no matter which government or political party is doing it.

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  19. *This is fake* by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Conroy and ISPs implementing the blacklist confirm that this is a fake:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/19/2520929.htm

    I read about this earlier today; news media really have to check WikiLeaks out carefully before reporting it.

    I think the black-list is absurd, it's baffling that we can actually have censorship here in Australia, and my reps know how I feel at least. But I don't think stunts like this help :-(

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    1. Re:*This is fake* by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we would take him at his word, why?

    2. Re:*This is fake* by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't believe what the government or its contracted agents say about themselves. I mean really, how naive do you have to be?

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    3. Re:*This is fake* by taucross · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Conroy said it wasn't the actual ACMA blacklist, but said that many of the links were in fact part of it. http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25214571-15306,00.html

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    4. Re:*This is fake* by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Strangely the government is still going to try and find out who "leaked" this fake list.

      I could presume it's because the Australian government is intent on fighting fraud, since the blacklist is evidently fraudulent.

    5. Re:*This is fake* by Hecatonchires · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't believe Conroy. Do you?

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    6. Re:*This is fake* by Swampash · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Conroy and ISPs implementing the blacklist confirm that this is a fake

      And yet in spite of this list's confirmed fakeness, Conroy has threatened that anyone distributing this confirmed fake list will be subject to investigation by federal police and suffer criminal prosecution.

      o_O

    7. Re:*This is fake* by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "This is fake"

      um ugh, hmph... and...

      "ACMA is investigating this matter and is considering a range of possible actions it may take including referral to the Australian Federal Police. Any Australian involved in making this content publicly available would be at serious risk of criminal prosecution."

      If the list is fake what exactly are they going to prosecute anyone for?

      When my government denied their were secret CIA prisons then threatened to put people in jail for revealing stuff I nodded my head and said their are probably secret prisons. People don't threaten to call the police or put people in jail unless the item in question is real. I'm willing to bet that regardless of the fist pounding and outrage that this might not be today's list, and it might not be the August 8th list but it's the list at one time. No question about it because of the way he responded. The language makes you think they deny it's the list, but it appears to me their denial is very coached. It's not THE list. Not it's never been the list.

    8. Re:*This is fake* by kheldan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However with the way they're MIShandling this, I wouldn't put it past them to have leaked a fake list themselves just to discredit sites like WikiLeaks.
      Oh, wait, I forgot: they aren't SMART enough to do something like that! Silly me..

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    9. Re:*This is fake* by xenobyte · · Score: 5, Informative

      But I don't think stunts like this help :-(

      Actually they do help... A lot actually!

      1) They make the world aware of the censorship taking place.
      2) They make it obvious that a secret list might contain anything. We can't check.
      3) They make it obvious that the list needs to be public because that would make it possible to avoid non-relevant censorship. Even if the list is publicly available, it cannot be used to find the blocked stuff because - well - the stuff is blocked.
      4) They force the authorities to engage in debates about the censorship thus again making the world aware of what happening.
      5) They show that such secrets can never be kept and thus shouldn't.

      There's no reason to have such a blocklist to begin with except to engage in censorship. You don't protect anybody against anything with a blacklist. For every site listed there's 10 others just like it. List those and each has 10 alternatives... The odds of you hitting one is the same with or without the blacklist.

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    10. Re:*This is fake* by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Conroy and ISPs implementing the blacklist confirm that this is a fake: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/19/2520929.htm

      Would they say anything else? Also Conroy appears to be a "career politician" so it's probably wise to take anything he says with a few kg of salt :)

    11. Re:*This is fake* by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 4, Funny

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    12. Re:*This is fake* by stavros-59 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because from a blocked ISP you can access the sites which are listed as blocked.

      The internet censorship system is not yet in place. The leaked list is the sites provided to ISPs that have "family friendly" services and to the vendors of the PC filters supplied under the previous government's NetAlert scheme.

      At the moment you should be able to get anywhere you like unless you chosen a PC based filter, a family friendly ISP or you use one of the ISPs testing the filters at the moment.

      There are 6 ISPs in the trial. One is iPrimus that deals with retail customers. One is Webshield that is a Christadelphian not for profit family friendly ISP and the other 4 are business only ISPs. There are people on facebook with more friends than the 4 business ISPs have as customers.

      You need to check your facts. The list isn't fake. It was pulled out of the definitions provided to one of the NetAlert filter providers. It also matches the dates and number of the published ACMA updates as downloaded from their site.

      What you should be concerned about it that the blacklist was designed for PC "filters" for children and that the government intended to use that list to censor the activities of adult at the level of a child safe filter.

    13. Re:*This is fake* by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shouldn't it be easy enough to find out if its fake. If someone from OZ clicks a bunch of the links, and they can't access them, its real, if they can....its fake....or am I missing something?

      There could be a severe punishment for anyone dong this. They could even be transported to Britain.

    14. Re:*This is fake* by makomk · · Score: 2, Informative

      iiNet isn't a family friendly ISP but they're participating in the trial.

      No, they're not. They asked to participate in order to demonstrate what a bad idea it was, but weren't included in the trial. The poster you're replying to is correct.

    15. Re:*This is fake* by Ragein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just found out that the dentaldistinction link is blocked where I work. Thats a Uk Local education authority :s wonder where they got that link from.

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  20. An email from the Minister by sam_v1.35b · · Score: 4, Funny

    Senator Stephen Conroy would like to recall the message: "ACMA Blacklist - see attachment".

  21. Re:False alarm by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It's kind of typical of politicians to say things in a way that sound like they're saying something else. You'll also notice he's threatening to launch an investigation into the people who released it. If it's not the list, then what exactly are they going to investigate?"

    I agree, speaking of "saying things" I still haven't heard Conroy say he is in favor of a blacklist...here let me clean up then cut&paste my theory from the last story...

    Labor is playing the same game with Fielding as Howard did when he "wanted" to implement mandatory filters (that his party are now blocking in opposition). There were similar circumstances for Howard at the time (ie: a censorship nut holding a deciding vote on more important legislation). Here let me spell it out.

    Labour have a full majority in the house that the Lib's can't block, (that's what makes them the government of the day). However they need the support of the all the Green's and the two independents (ie a coalition) to pass legislation through the senate that the Lib's cannot block. The Lib's also need a coalition to sucessfully block but only have to find one senator to join their coalition if they want to block the legislation.

    Xenophon[sic] and Fielding (the two independents) both wanted a mandatory filter, (Xenophon has an anti-gambling platform). Labor set up a "trial" to keep them onside for as long as possible. Xenophon to his credit has seen the glaring human rights error in his plan to ban offshore gambling sites, Fielding has nowhere to go because he is now in the position of voting for a blacklist that bans his supporters (anti-abortionists), an independent's vote is no longer of much value since the major reform is out of the way ready for the next election, the Lib's, Labor and Greens are happy because they have collectively screwed "Mr 2%" for winning on their preference fuckery, Rudd is happy because Conroy is showing loyalty instead of challenging him in the back rooms like Costello did with Howard,....get my theory.....it's a YES MINISTER episode if ever I saw one.

    Oh and check out the nude pictures of Hanson, unfortunately it's only funny because it's happening to someone I don't like.

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  22. Re:False alarm by afaik_ianal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh and check out the nude pictures of Hanson, unfortunately it's only funny because it's happening to someone I don't like.

    I know this is off-topic, but it's looking less and less likely that it was Hanson.

    How bad must the woman who posed for some guy 30 years ago be feeling? She probably has a family now, and I doubt would want that kind of thing being dredged up (Some might say she "wouldn't like it" ;)). It's pretty irresponsible of the Telegraph to basically post nude photos of some nobody in a major newspaper just because she looks like a politician...

  23. Re:False alarm by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When children turn 18, they get full adult legal rights, including right to privacy, and the camera monitoring is disengaged.

    By then it's too late. You've already conditioned them to accept the fact that Authority can and should monitor them for their own good. They're already used to the idea, so the next thing you know they'll think it is normal to pee in a bottle for a Manager so that employers will know what drugs they've taken, or they may think it's normal for companies or governments to monitor what you email to people. Nope, if you treat children like shit then they will grow up to be assholes. Garbage in garbage out.

  24. Careful if you have a link accelerator! by atmurray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Goes without saying for us lot, but be really careful looking at the list if you have a browser with a link accelerator (that crawls forward links and caches them). Could find yourself catching someone's attention, not if you're in Australia though, the feds are too busy running after the people who leaked the list that isn't really the list.

  25. fascinating by okmijnuhb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's fascinating to see what occurs behind the kangaroo curtain.
    When the hell did they become Soviet Australia?

  26. inspired by the blacklist by vmlojw · · Score: 5, Funny

    I agree with NevarMore. Anti-abortion sites can have some stomach-turning pics. But that's not the real problem. The real reason why that one was blacklisted is pre-term porn. Yep, it's a growing evil. All those nekkid pictures of poor defenceless foetuses: Pre-term porn, a social disaster just waiting to happen. http://vmlojwclog.blogspot.com/2009/03/official-concern.html

  27. Re:UK and Australia by tg123 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ................. The Christian senator pushing the filters got in with less than 1000 primary votes. Most likely he got a lot of preferences because of the number of worse sounding groups on the senate ballot paper.

    Please mod last post up - insight.

    if you want to know why this happening the above explains it in a nutshell. We have some christian loony in the senate who wants to remove porn from the internet.

  28. Australian's, Start Mirroring! by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 3, Informative

    Australian's, Start Mirroring that list!

    I just putted it up on my website, hosted here in Adelaide: http://www.diskiller.net/ I guess the AFP will be paying me a visit? lulz.

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  29. The format tells you why it's wrong by symbolset · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a secret list. You can't know what sites are on it, but you can't link to sites on the list.

    It's like your girlfriend who doesn't want you to say certain things, but won't tell you what they are.

    Only a government weasel could come up with such an idea. It's clear he doesn't know how the Internet works.

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  30. Re:http://www.main-hosting.com/privacy/alert.htm by Toonol · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ok, I took it on the chin for the team, and looked at the page.

    It's basically an ad for one of those history/cache/cookie scrubber utilities, and it has some shock pictures about which it says "Look what is in your cache right now!!!" (They're lying, of course, the images are loaded from their server.)

    There are three small images: One bestiality, one bukkake, and one 'lolita[1].jpg'. Plus a bunch of blank frames that would probably all be malware if I was running internet explorer.

  31. Re:Warning by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Informative

    Re:" I highly recommend against clicking around on that blacklist."
    Yes you never know what had an FBI/Interpol/other state/federal task force IP logger left in place.
    If your just hitting the site, they may record you. A visit one day to clone your drive.
    Also some might have hacked by vigilante groups.
    They might connect to you if you have a static IP :) If your running OS X or Linux, you should be fine.

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  32. Re:stupid by fractoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Um, we're a democratic republic, somewhat similar to your own country. We have no way of forcibly blocking legislation like this until the next election, excepting widespread civil disobedience or an outright coup.

    They need to weight individual MPs votes by their local approval rating. That would give us a direct way to affect proceedings. As it is, the whole system's a farce. At least with a king, if he gets bad enough you can shoot him and install another one without having to wait until next election.

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  33. Relieved, somewhat. by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is nice to know that you do not have to represent a government to engage in "spycraft".

    It is also nice to know that the People have moles in governments and in corporations. Kudos, to whoever you are.

    Sad state of affairs that it is required, though.

     

  34. Click it. It's not what you think by rduke15 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But apparently, you didn't click the link. You should have. Apart from being funny, it's also a perfect example of the nonsense of these lists. Here it is: http://www.goat.cx (and no, it's not exactly why you think it is)

  35. Re:Wikileaks on the list now too!?? by Yaur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone posted a link in the last story about this that showed wikileaks becoming unreachable on the 18th... not sure how reliable it is but I'm sure you could find it if you look.

  36. Re:Warning by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... I didn't get one valid link out of about five or six I clicked.

    The links work, it's just that they've been Slashdoted.

  37. Re:stupid by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, the Queen of Australia is Australia's monarch.
    It just happens that the Queen of Australia is also, but independently, the Queen of the United Kingdom.

    That aside, the monarch has no law making powers at all, it's entirely in the hands of parliament.

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  38. Re:UK and Australia by Lunzo · · Score: 2, Informative

    As much as I dislike Fielding, he got into the senate fair and square. The 1000 votes comment is a lie. He personally got over 2000 votes (i.e. people voting below the line) and his Family first party got 53000 of the primary votes in voting above the line.

    He did still get in courtesy of Labor and Liberal (conservative for non-Australian readers) party preferences though, because the Greens got around 243000 primary votes in Victoria and didn't get one of the six senate spots. If you vote above the line your preferences get allocated according to what the party you voted for wants. I bet Labor are wishing they did their usual preference swap with the Greens in the 04 election (Fielding has blocked some of the government's legislation in the past few days).

  39. Obligatory by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?