What is necessary is some other means of conveying trust, wether that is a web of trust, or some other out of band option.
This is what I believe we should strive for. The distributed naming system and trust system are orthogonal problems, but need to integrate in a convenient way. So, it is still a hard problem, just not in the same way.
In a way, this is what facebook does. (I know this wont be a popular opinion, and actually, I hate that I said it but it seems true).
Not to get too technical but the High Court is the Supreme Court of Australia. It sits atop the Federal Court and the various state Supreme Courts. Each of those Courts, and the Federal Court, have appeals juristictions consisting of Banco (ie multiple) judges.
Here is part of section 71 of the Australian constitution for those who like evidence!
"The judicial power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Federal Supreme Court, to be called the High Court of Australia, and in such other federal courts as the Parliament creates, and in such other courts as it invests with federal jurisdiction. "
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2010/24.html link to judgement
The following is from the summary - I think it is an interesting finding particularly with respect to the large damages payouts you get in those US cases:
"
The first step in making a finding of authorisation was to determine whether certain iiNet users infringed copyright. I have found that they have. However, in reaching that finding, I have found that the number of infringements that have occurred are significantly fewer than the number alleged by the applicants. This follows from my finding that, on the evidence and on a proper interpretation of the law, a person makes each film available online only once through the BitTorrent system and electronically transmits each film only once through that system. This excludes the possible case of a person who might repeatedly download the same file, but no evidence was presented of such unusual and unlikely circumstance. Further, I have found, on the evidence before me, that the iiNet users have made one copy of each film and have not made further copies onto physical media such as DVDs."
The Problem is NOT balance. Life is unbalanced - the problem is the incentive scheme. If, as suggested above, there is king or ruler and you can fight to be him or her then you have incentives to build yourself up to - and people to knock you down. As there will be people clamering to get to the top, there is a fight amongst equals and the slightly more stronger until you get to the top and kill the king.
Current games, based on levels or classes, the only incentive is to get better and stronger. Not to claim possesstion of some land or people or whatever....
Imagine, if, being the king, you could make laws and tax people! (so long as you have the tax collectors ready to punish those who dont pay) The possibilities are endless.
When has democracy been anything other than the will of the majority?
ummm.... Since the invention of the doctrine of separation of powers - so at least since the ancient roman republic. Courts are their to balance the tyranny of the majority, and have in many cases done so significantly.
Actually, one right right we do enjoy here in Oz is the right to 'political communication'. It would be intersting to see if the abortion people who've been listed took issue with this in the high court what the outcome wouldbe... Indeed, one might take issue with the whole list on that basis...
A great choice of song. Banjo's Waltzing Matilda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltzing_Matilda#Lyrics
is an unofficial anthem in this country, and harking to our convict heritage, it brings to life the relaxed, disdainfully rebelliousness of Australia. That attitude, which has served us well, is now under threat in so many ways, of which this filter nonsense is but one.
Also ironically, the version most people sing contains a very early instance of product placement for the Billy Tea company (see link above). A great choice of for a parody.
Well - I was wondering why the net's a bit slower today... Thought it was the random fluctuations I get from time to time but no... Sigh... Sad thing is, you mention this to people here and it's oh... Well, kinda bad, but meh..
Recently, I have read a number of stories in the same vain, and here I include things like distributing, without telling people, things that kill bot nets.
Of course, if your fridge is talking to other peoples fridges, and so is you TV, shower and kettle, the possibility of breaches of privacy is there.
On the other hand, there are clear benifits from doing so; as there are from killing the botnet and maybe from all this cloud computing stuff.
As our technology starts to benifit from what might be considered a type of economy of scale through communicating with eachother, without our knowledge we move into the same lack of privacy a villager had when everyone in town knew everything about him or her. I genuinely wonder if it is worth it.
A good solution is to send a text message containing a code to your mobile phone every time you make a transaction (or perhaps group of transactions). You then have to punch the code into the website.
Actually, that is not true - at least of the indigenous australian - they had title to property - And the high court here found that the the myth of terra nullius - that nobody owned australia and that there were no laws was bunk. Decision was called Mabo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_v_Queensland
Here in Australia, the copy machines in library's do have copyright notices on them. There are a couple of private companies which 'audit' libraries and other such agencies. They agree to an estimated cost (covering the copying of copyrighted works), which the library pays, and the company distributes to the big publishing houses.
Surely it is possible to have a trait which is negative in almost all situations. And given the fast evolution that is occurring, is it not likely(or at least possible) that many such traits are in existence?
Whilst I understand that there is no such thing as 'devolution' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_devolution . It is interesting that TFA doesn't mention any 'negative' traits. How would one define negative, viz, a gene that has gained prevalence that actually decreases ones chance of survival.
I understand that such genes die out over time, but given the 'evolution explosion', there should be many of them around now should there not?
This, to my mind is the most amazing - Real recycling:
From TFA
I'm not sure if I'm watching a magic trick, or an invention that will make the cigar-chomping 64-year-old next to me the richest man on the planet. Everything that goes into Frank Pringle's recycling machine--a piece of tire, a rock, a plastic cup--turns to oil and natural gas seconds later. "I've been told the oil companies might try to assassinate me," Pringle says without sarcasm.
The machine is a microwave emitter that extracts the petroleum and gas hidden inside everyday objects--or at least anything made with hydrocarbons, which, it turns out, is most of what's around you. Every hour, the first commercial version will turn 10 tons of auto waste--tires, plastic, vinyl--into enough natural gas to produce 17 million BTUs of energy (it will use 956,000 of those BTUs to keep itself running).
Pringle created the machine about 10 years ago after he drove by a massive tire fire and thought about the energy being released. He went home and threw bits of a tire in a microwave emitter he'd been working with for another project. It turned to what looked like ash, but a few hours later, he returned and found a black puddle on the floor of the unheated workshop. Somehow, he'd struck oil.
Or rather, he had extracted it. Petroleum is composed of strings of hydrocarbon molecules. When microwaves hit the tire, they crack the molecular chains and break it into its component parts: carbon black (an ash-like raw material) and hydrocarbon gases, which can be burned or condensed into liquid fuel. Pringle figured that some gases from his microwaved tire had lingered, and the cold air in the shop had condensed them into diesel. If the process worked on tires, he thought, it should work on anything with hydrocarbons. The trick was in finding the optimum microwave frequency for each material--out of 10 million possibilities.
Pringle has spent 10 years and $1 million homing in on frequencies for hundreds of materials. In 2004 he teamed up with engineer pal Hawk Hogan to take the machine commercial.
Their first order is under construction in Rockford, Illinois. It's a $5.1-million microwave machine the size of small bus called the Hawk, bound for an auto-recycler in Long Island, New York. More deals loom: The U.S. military may use Hawks in Iraq on waste such as water bottles and food containers. Oil companies are looking to the machines to gasify petroleum trapped in shale.
Back at the shop, Pringle is still zapping new materials. A sample labeled "bituminous coal" goes in and, 15 seconds later, Pringle ignites the resulting gas. "You see," he says, "why they might want to kill me." --RENA MARIE PACELLA
Knowing how to calculate the area of a triangle has far more uses the calculating the area of a triangle. For example, with that knowledge it is easier to figure out how to calculate the area of a kite. The point is that learning from first principals and holding knowledge provides a basis for creative thought. You cannot imagine or hypothesis or reason from analogy something greater then exist knowledge unless you hold that knowledge in your mind.
----
Perhaps it is the case that different kinds of thinking peak at different ages.
ok, so i am stupid and no nothing about numbers, but
x + y = infinity
let x = infinity
let y = 1 or any other number
Then X + Y = infinity + 1
which is the same as infinity... Umm... Does this not work?
Slashdot Mirror
What is necessary is some other means of conveying trust, wether that is a web of trust, or some other out of band option.
This is what I believe we should strive for. The distributed naming system and trust system are orthogonal problems, but need to integrate in a convenient way. So, it is still a hard problem, just not in the same way.
In a way, this is what facebook does. (I know this wont be a popular opinion, and actually, I hate that I said it but it seems true).
Here is part of section 71 of the Australian constitution for those who like evidence!
"The judicial power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Federal Supreme Court, to be called the High Court of Australia, and in such other federal courts as the Parliament creates, and in such other courts as it invests with federal jurisdiction. "
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2010/24.html link to judgement The following is from the summary - I think it is an interesting finding particularly with respect to the large damages payouts you get in those US cases: " The first step in making a finding of authorisation was to determine whether certain iiNet users infringed copyright. I have found that they have. However, in reaching that finding, I have found that the number of infringements that have occurred are significantly fewer than the number alleged by the applicants. This follows from my finding that, on the evidence and on a proper interpretation of the law, a person makes each film available online only once through the BitTorrent system and electronically transmits each film only once through that system. This excludes the possible case of a person who might repeatedly download the same file, but no evidence was presented of such unusual and unlikely circumstance. Further, I have found, on the evidence before me, that the iiNet users have made one copy of each film and have not made further copies onto physical media such as DVDs."
Can't one of you techi types make it so I can upload a song to my iphone that engages the other functions? ??
The Problem is NOT balance. Life is unbalanced - the problem is the incentive scheme. If, as suggested above, there is king or ruler and you can fight to be him or her then you have incentives to build yourself up to - and people to knock you down. As there will be people clamering to get to the top, there is a fight amongst equals and the slightly more stronger until you get to the top and kill the king. Current games, based on levels or classes, the only incentive is to get better and stronger. Not to claim possesstion of some land or people or whatever.... Imagine, if, being the king, you could make laws and tax people! (so long as you have the tax collectors ready to punish those who dont pay) The possibilities are endless.
When has democracy been anything other than the will of the majority?
ummm.... Since the invention of the doctrine of separation of powers - so at least since the ancient roman republic. Courts are their to balance the tyranny of the majority, and have in many cases done so significantly.
Actually, one right right we do enjoy here in Oz is the right to 'political communication'. It would be intersting to see if the abortion people who've been listed took issue with this in the high court what the outcome wouldbe... Indeed, one might take issue with the whole list on that basis...
Yes! I have often thought that this would be an amazing project. And, i have some great ideas... Only problem. I can't program.
Negotiating with Microsoft
A great choice of song. Banjo's Waltzing Matilda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltzing_Matilda#Lyrics is an unofficial anthem in this country, and harking to our convict heritage, it brings to life the relaxed, disdainfully rebelliousness of Australia. That attitude, which has served us well, is now under threat in so many ways, of which this filter nonsense is but one. Also ironically, the version most people sing contains a very early instance of product placement for the Billy Tea company (see link above). A great choice of for a parody.
Well - I was wondering why the net's a bit slower today... Thought it was the random fluctuations I get from time to time but no... Sigh... Sad thing is, you mention this to people here and it's oh... Well, kinda bad, but meh..
What about http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com/ One wonders which site has the most number of x's?
Recently, I have read a number of stories in the same vain, and here I include things like distributing, without telling people, things that kill bot nets. Of course, if your fridge is talking to other peoples fridges, and so is you TV, shower and kettle, the possibility of breaches of privacy is there. On the other hand, there are clear benifits from doing so; as there are from killing the botnet and maybe from all this cloud computing stuff. As our technology starts to benifit from what might be considered a type of economy of scale through communicating with eachother, without our knowledge we move into the same lack of privacy a villager had when everyone in town knew everything about him or her. I genuinely wonder if it is worth it.
Why not have an OLPC like effort. With the salvage parts, we might even get this one down to $100.
A good solution is to send a text message containing a code to your mobile phone every time you make a transaction (or perhaps group of transactions). You then have to punch the code into the website.
Actually, that is not true - at least of the indigenous australian - they had title to property - And the high court here found that the the myth of terra nullius - that nobody owned australia and that there were no laws was bunk. Decision was called Mabo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_v_Queensland
Here in Australia, the copy machines in library's do have copyright notices on them. There are a couple of private companies which 'audit' libraries and other such agencies. They agree to an estimated cost (covering the copying of copyrighted works), which the library pays, and the company distributes to the big publishing houses.
Basse Donnée system is a system that generates all the allowable solutions for given bass tasks within triads There are a few abstracts to the effect of the above that come on on google if one searches Basse and Science. I have no idea what it means, but i note: 1. It mentions triads - 3 is important in problem 2. It has something to do with music - sound, noise! 3. There is some sought of algorithm around it. ... Might be a trap though...
(http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110003111379/en/ )
Surely it is possible to have a trait which is negative in almost all situations. And given the fast evolution that is occurring, is it not likely(or at least possible) that many such traits are in existence?
Whilst I understand that there is no such thing as 'devolution' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_devolution . It is interesting that TFA doesn't mention any 'negative' traits. How would one define negative, viz, a gene that has gained prevalence that actually decreases ones chance of survival. I understand that such genes die out over time, but given the 'evolution explosion', there should be many of them around now should there not?
Bugger it, my Karma is rooted anyway, but why does the bloke above me get modded -1? Because he's wrong... Meh, big deal, he is informative...
has been around for a while. See for example discussion in the book Out Of Control, http://www.kk.org/outofcontrol/contents.php . Kinda brings to mind the matrix movies.
This, to my mind is the most amazing - Real recycling: From TFA I'm not sure if I'm watching a magic trick, or an invention that will make the cigar-chomping 64-year-old next to me the richest man on the planet. Everything that goes into Frank Pringle's recycling machine--a piece of tire, a rock, a plastic cup--turns to oil and natural gas seconds later. "I've been told the oil companies might try to assassinate me," Pringle says without sarcasm. The machine is a microwave emitter that extracts the petroleum and gas hidden inside everyday objects--or at least anything made with hydrocarbons, which, it turns out, is most of what's around you. Every hour, the first commercial version will turn 10 tons of auto waste--tires, plastic, vinyl--into enough natural gas to produce 17 million BTUs of energy (it will use 956,000 of those BTUs to keep itself running). Pringle created the machine about 10 years ago after he drove by a massive tire fire and thought about the energy being released. He went home and threw bits of a tire in a microwave emitter he'd been working with for another project. It turned to what looked like ash, but a few hours later, he returned and found a black puddle on the floor of the unheated workshop. Somehow, he'd struck oil. Or rather, he had extracted it. Petroleum is composed of strings of hydrocarbon molecules. When microwaves hit the tire, they crack the molecular chains and break it into its component parts: carbon black (an ash-like raw material) and hydrocarbon gases, which can be burned or condensed into liquid fuel. Pringle figured that some gases from his microwaved tire had lingered, and the cold air in the shop had condensed them into diesel. If the process worked on tires, he thought, it should work on anything with hydrocarbons. The trick was in finding the optimum microwave frequency for each material--out of 10 million possibilities. Pringle has spent 10 years and $1 million homing in on frequencies for hundreds of materials. In 2004 he teamed up with engineer pal Hawk Hogan to take the machine commercial. Their first order is under construction in Rockford, Illinois. It's a $5.1-million microwave machine the size of small bus called the Hawk, bound for an auto-recycler in Long Island, New York. More deals loom: The U.S. military may use Hawks in Iraq on waste such as water bottles and food containers. Oil companies are looking to the machines to gasify petroleum trapped in shale. Back at the shop, Pringle is still zapping new materials. A sample labeled "bituminous coal" goes in and, 15 seconds later, Pringle ignites the resulting gas. "You see," he says, "why they might want to kill me." --RENA MARIE PACELLA
Knowing how to calculate the area of a triangle has far more uses the calculating the area of a triangle. For example, with that knowledge it is easier to figure out how to calculate the area of a kite. The point is that learning from first principals and holding knowledge provides a basis for creative thought. You cannot imagine or hypothesis or reason from analogy something greater then exist knowledge unless you hold that knowledge in your mind. ---- Perhaps it is the case that different kinds of thinking peak at different ages.
ok, so i am stupid and no nothing about numbers, but x + y = infinity let x = infinity let y = 1 or any other number Then X + Y = infinity + 1 which is the same as infinity... Umm... Does this not work?