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Quantum Setback For Warp Drives

KentuckyFC writes "Warp drives were generally considered impossible by mainstream scientists until 1994 when the physicist Michael Alcubierre worked out how to build a faster-than-light drive using the principles of general relativity. His thinking was that while relativity prevents faster-than-light travel relative to the fabric of spacetime, it places no restriction on the speed at which regions of spacetime may move relative to each other. So a small bubble of spacetime containing a spacecraft could travel faster than the speed of light, at least in principle. But one unanswered question was what happens to the bubble when quantum mechanics is taken into account. Now, a team of physicists have worked it out, and it's bad news: the bubble becomes unstable at superluminal speeds, making warp drives impossible (probably)."

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  1. Hiesenberg says.... by MeNotU · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or is it *both* Impossible and not Impossible?

    1. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the only statement you could come up with?

      What a Bohr.

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    2. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by RMingin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps it's only Infinitely Improbable?

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    3. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by RichardJenkins · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I were you I'd stop poking about with things we don't understand. After all, it was curiosity that did and didn't kill the cat. ...

      I'll get my coat.

    4. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by bytethese · · Score: 5, Funny

      Warp drives that wear dresses and makeup?

    5. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fourier information, I thought it was pretty funny.

    6. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by nomorecwrd · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think he said this words were _after_ his accident.
      He was slowly recovering, something that seemed impossible at the beginning.

  2. Longer lifetimes is the answer by tjstork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The SCI-FI buff in me holds out hope that physics will uncover a trick to FTL, but...

    It doesn't really matter if we cannot travel faster than the speed of light so long as we can live long enough to get there.

    Who cares if it takes 50 years to fly to Alpha Centauri if we can engineer ourselves to live for a thousand!

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    1. Re:Longer lifetimes is the answer by SnapShot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Depends on whether we can engineer ourselves to live 50 years in a tiny spacecraft with a bunch of strangers.

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  3. So we can't go there, big whoop... by bhunachchicken · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just do what the Planet Express Ship does and use a Dark Matter drive to move the Universe around us instead... :)

  4. Proof! by cjstaples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article... "strongly implies that such a bubble would be unstable." Sounds like proof to me! Right. Just like it was proved impossible for planes to fly. It might indeed - eventually - prove to be impossible, or impossible to do meaningfully / reliably, but it's pretty unlikely we're in a position to make that call at this time. That's why we do research.

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  5. Causality by QuoteMstr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Faster-than-light travel always causes causality paradoxes, so a priori, FTL drives are impossible unless special relativity is wrong. (That's is a bit like saying that perpetual motion machines are impossible unless thermodynamics is wrong.) The proposed mechanism behind the FTL drive doesn't matter -- it'll still cause a time paradox.

    Just like we know any proposed perpetual motion machine must have a flaw, any proposed FTL drive must also have a flaw. They belong to the same class of impossible device, and deserve the same degree of consideration.

    1. Re:Causality by SafeMode · · Score: 5, Informative

      entropy dictates that that everything loses to heat. This heat is at such a low energy level eventually that it can't cause any increase in energy to anything at all around it. This is how a system winds down, eventually all the energy in the atom will get sapped off this way and then it will start breaking down. Eventually devolving into the quantum soup that makes up the subatomic particles. Eventually, those too will lose energy to the space around them until everything is the same indistinguishable quantum soup.

      This is the cold death scenario, and the only thing that can stop it is space itself increasing the density of energy instead of forever decreasing it. It's the expansion of space that continually provides for this loss of energy.

      so no, atoms aren't perpetual motion machines. Though, for practical reasons, unless you need the machine to be functioning billions of years from now, you can call it perpetual.

  6. Re:improbability drive by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will that allow ludicrous speed?

  7. Paper was submitted 1. April by 49152 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please note the submission date:
    Semiclassical instability of dynamical warp drives

  8. Cancel the Star Trek movie by Onyma · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it, cancel the Star Trek Movie. Now that I know it's all fake it just ruined it for me.

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  9. Re:They won't be strangers for long. by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh my.

    This is why we need women in the army to stop that nonsense.

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  10. Re:Mod parent up by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

    With magic, you can ride a unicorn.

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  11. Re:improbability drive by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Very large values of 1 and very small values of 0.

  12. Re:We already have faster-than-light communication by QuoteMstr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, but we already have faster-than-light communication trough quantum entanglement. The change in state happens instantly, without any delay, no matter what the distance is.

    That doesn't work. You can't transmit information faster than light; contrary to popular conception, quantum entanglement does not involve classical information transfer.

    If you have one of a pair of dice, and the other is a thousand light-years away, one way to think of entanglement is to imagine that whatever number you roll is the number that shows up on the other die the next time it is rolled. Even if the two dice are linked, you can't control which number shows up, so you can't use the dice to communicate information.

  13. Re:improbability drive by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, 0 is not "nigh impossible" - it is the definition of impossible.

    Not necessarily. It may be that there are an uncountable number of possible outcomes, and each individual outcome has a zero probability, but large sets of them collectively still have positive probability. At least, models exist where this makes sense...

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