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MediaDefender Buys MediaSentry For $136,000 (Not $20M)
newtley writes "SafeNet paid $20 million for MediaSentry in 2005, but has just sold it to rival MediaDefender for a paltry $136,000, with a promise of more later. MediaSentry's new owner says the combination will allow it to 'dramatically expand its effectiveness.' Is it time for an official government inquiry into MediaSentry and the RIAA? A Chicago student said she was planning on killing herself because the RIAA promised her she'd land in court unless she paid almost $10,000 to 'settle' an alleged copyright infringement. She 'couldn't sleep, couldn't study, couldn't live a normal life because of the worry.' The RIAA 'evidence' came from MediaSentry, accused of operating illegally."
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Fleeing the country at that age and with those limited resources is worse than suicide. The countries where it's reasonably safe to flee to, even with money, are extradition countries, so she'll be right back in the US in time for summer. And a lot of those non-extradition countries are inhospitable to a poor teenager, so she'll just die or end up a meth-addicted prostitute.
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Why kill yourself when you can flee the country? It's not like she's in jail or something. Talk about keeping things in perspective...
And more to the point why just kill yourself when you could wait until the court case and take out a couple or RIAA lawyers too. Note: This is not legal advice!
Will this allow the RIAA to say "MediaSentry? No we don't use them any more. We use the much more trutsed MediaDefender these days."?
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You flee the country when the Government is out to get you, you seek the government's help when somebody is trying to BLACKMAIL you. (and with shoddy evidence at best)
Oh give me a break. They'd get a civil judgment. You don't even have to flee the country to escape those. It's called Chapter 7 and it's the first thing I would do if I was a student facing a $10,000 judgment from RIAA. If she's like most students she probably doesn't have many assets and they are likely all be exempt. In other words she'd lose nothing but the bankruptcy filing fee and the time it took to appear at the hearing.
If that's all it takes to make her suicidal then she really needs to seek some outside help. In the grand game known as life she's going to face many challenges that are far more scary than a RIAA action. Better learn how to cope with them now.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The countries where it's reasonably safe to flee to, even with money, are extradition countries, so she'll be right back in the US in time for summer
I think you've mistaken a civil action with a criminal one. There's no extradition process that I'm aware of for debt collection. A judgment is just a piece of paper. It would be up to RIAA to find a way to collect on it. Given that she's a student and probably has no assets, good luck with that....
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
... than is within reason if you're waiting for a government investigation of the record companies and/or their cronies. The party of Hollywood is in charge of the government, and the RIAA/MPAA are all paid up in their contributions.
Could be a million reasons. Maybe she is suffering from panic anxiety for instance (maybe the extra stress actually triggered latent illness). When you can barely get out of bed killing yourself can probably look like a good deal compared to moving to a foreign country.
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I always end up confusing them, so I'll ascribe something to MediaSentry only to be corrected that no, the company involved was MediaDefender, or vice versa. Every time I wanted to complain to my alma mater about Randy Saaf being on their board of trustees (fortunately no longer the case), I had to go look up which of the two he was associated with.
So, I would like to thank the companies for kindly removing this frequent source of error.
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She'd also lose all her liquid assets(if any)
Umm, no, she'd lose her non-exempt assets. I'm not familiar with the specifics in her state but in my state you can exempt up to $2,500 of cash, "tools of the trade", family heirlooms, an automobile worth less than $5,000, etc, etc, etc. The overwhelming majority of Chapter 7s are "no-asset" cases, meaning all of the assets of the debtor are exempt. How many students do you know that have large enough net worths to have to worry about having non-exempt assets?
and she'd have a bad credit rating for the next 10 years
There are worse things in life than a bad credit rating and you'd be surprised how quickly your credit rebounds after a bankruptcy. My bankruptcy was three years ago and my FICO score was 757 the last time I checked. I haven't run into any problems obtaining credit, even after the economy took a nosedive.
And 10k is the settlement, not the judgement.
So what? Let them get a judgment for more than that if they think they can. It will make the bankruptcy even easier to file.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Exactly. The RIAA would have to track her down in the country she moved to and then get a court there to rule that she had to pay up. Good luck with that, though, because foreign courts are rather reluctant to involve themselves of civil matters that happened outside of their jurisdiction. In fact, they pretty much flat out refuse to.
For that matter, she could flee to Canada or Mexico.
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If you had RTFA you would have gotten the fun news that her parents paid the settlement so her threat was never really serious.
I suspect she's young, struggling in any case, and inexperienced in legal matters. The RIAA tactics are fearsome, and they're deliberately calculated to induce the state of mind she's in now. They've evoked the kinds of feelings of helplessness or hopelessness that can lead to suicidal thoughts in vulnerable people. It's to be hoped that she's able to secure some kind of counseling (or legal counsel) to put the situation into perspective. If you look back, you don't see the RIAA attacking well-established, well-heeled middle aged people. They go after the young, the inexperienced, the poor, the elderly, and the sick--just the sorts of people who are vulnerable. They'd probably be delighted by a suicide. It would scare a few more victims.
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That was their own damn stupidity. Why would you agree to pay a debt that can't be collected upon and which you have no legal obligation to pay?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
They have tight security at most court houses to prevent things like this. Find the identities of the RIAA lawyers before the court date, stalk them to their homes, and then 'deal' with them (and their pets). The insanity and paranoia caused by the case could be a defense.
The parents probably had the money but didn't have the legal knowledge and I suppose they didn't want their daughter to have to go through the court since she was so stressed out.
One would think before you'd write a check for $10,000 you'd get some legal knowledge. A consultation with a lawyer would have been well advised. I'd repeat my earlier bit about her needing to seek some professional help too. If a civil lawsuit is all it takes to make her suicidal then she has serious issues and needs to seek treatment.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The girl needs to get a grip. Just wait till she gets older, screws up, buys a house bigger than she can afford, runs up 30k in credit cards that gets ramped up to 100k because the overlimit charges are just enough to wipe payments out, bringing on more overlimit charges... sooner or later, you learn to just pay what you can, unplug the phone, and move on with life.
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Instead she'll get fucked by everyone else
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Facilities, Equipment, Data: $20,000,000
Goodwill: -$19,000,000
"Losing" the email server: -$864,000
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Not that there is much of their email we haven't already seen.
You flee the country where somebody is trying to blackmail you with the full support of the government.
If you'd ever taken a suicide prevention class (ah, the fun things you get to do in the military), you'd know that most people who either attempt or commit suicide told someone they were going to. Very few people wake up one morning, decide the world is a bleak place and off themselves without a word. Whether or not the suicide attempt itself is a cry for help, or the result of a legitimate desire to end one's life, most people DO "cry for help" before they ever do it. We're hardwired not to want to die, and even when our conscious mind decides it wants to we usually try to find loopholes.
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There's no need for any country-fleeing for someone without significant assets or income. Just pull a Bernie Goetz: do nothing. Let the RIAA obtain all the judgments they can. Declare bankruptcy (the BARF bill a few years ago made it harder, but someone with no assets and low income still has the option). Laugh at the RIAA.
There's also no point in threatening suicide. For students to threaten or even attempt and/or complete suicide over these cases is playing directly into the RIAAs hands; they're trying to frighten people into obeying them, and convincing people that the disobedience is worse than death by one's own hand is an effective motivator.
Being sentenced to pay-off ~10 million dollars in RIAA damages is equivalent to a life sentence because you are working, not for yourself, but as RIAA's wage slave. So if you've decided not to be a lifelong slave, but instead to go-out in the blaze of glory, might as well take the CEO and board of directors with you.
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>>>deliberately calculated to induce the state of mind she's in now...They'd probably be delighted by a suicide.
You know, I don't wish death on anyone but if this girl had killed herself, maybe RIAA would be sitting in court for third-degree conspiracy to manslaughter (or whatever the legal term is). After all, a neighbor got jailtime for using chat to induce a girl to commit suicide. RIAA v. U.S. - that's a murder case I would love to see. It'd probably get great ratings too on the news channels.
Let's reveal, for everyone to see, how dangerous corporations can be when they use the government to abuse the citizens.
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That's what I just can't grasp. Suing students.
What do you have here: Someone who is about 20, who already has racked up around 50k in debt for his tuition, and then you go an sue him for a bazillion (or just one tiny million if he wishes to settle out of court).
So you start your life with over a million down. What would you do? Know what I'd do? Wellfare. Yes, exactly. Work? Am I nuts? You won't get out of debt ever in your life, living the life of a minimum wage slave no matter how much you earn for the rest of your days. Why the heck should I try to pay a debt that was created basically by racketeering and extortion? Often enough without the defendent breaking any laws, his only crime being that he cannot stand up in court against the allegations.
I'm actually waiting for the first to ponder that his life is over anyway, so why not arm up and take a few of those with him that ended it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No? Then why are we all in pieces over the girl in legal trouble (of her own making)?
Given the "evidence" came from MediaSentry, how can you be so sure?
Further, it's not that she's being punished at all but the huge imbalance between the damage done, and the payment claimed. If MediaSentry's employees were to be put to death most Slashdotters would rightfully complain, just as we probably wouldn't if the girl had to pay only a $100 bill if she lost her case fair and square.
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Here's the catch. Ever try to finish college with a judgement over your head? Ever try to keep your student loans for your last 2 or 3 years of college after that judgement has been filed (or worse, you've declared bankruptcy)? Or hope that the destruction of your credit (via the judgement or bankruptcy) wont prevent you from getting the job you want (many big employers now do credit checks)?
Or does mom and dad have to bail you out (pay the extortion fees to the RIAA) to ensure that you can continue to go to school and continue to get loans to pay your remaining years?
I dont think it's too much of a gamble on the part of the RIAA... and it is definitely a planned one.
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