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Organized Online, Students Storm Gov't. Buildings In Moldova

An anonymous reader writes "Reacting to allegedly fraudulent election procedures, students are storming the presidency and parliament of the small eastern European country of Moldova. It is reported that they used Twitter to organize. Currently twitter and blogs are being used to spread word of what is happening since all national news websites have been blocked. If the 1989 Romanian revolution was the first to be televised, is this the first to be led by twitter and social networks?" Jamie points out this interesting presentation (from March 2008) by Ethan Zuckerman about the realities of online activism, including how governments try to constrain it.

199 comments

  1. Hmm... by KingAlanI · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...So Twitter is *occasionally* filled with useful material. :)

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    1. Re:Hmm... by xenolion · · Score: 1, Insightful

      all hale to the uninformed ideas that sounded good at the time.

    2. Re:Hmm... by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      I don't get what you mean here...

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    3. Re:Hmm... by xenolion · · Score: 1

      Twitter is just another Blogging tool that people don't take the time to look into what people are saying. Next thing I'm waiting to read around here is some type of Fox News joke..

    4. Re:Hmm... by BobGod8 · · Score: 1

      No.

    5. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/hale/hail/g

  2. Is this the first? by volpe · · Score: 0

    is this the first to be lead by twitter and social networks?

    If it isn't, Slashdot ain't doin' its job.

    BTW, it's "led", not "lead".

    1. Re:Is this the first? by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

      If it isn't, Slashdot ain't doin' its job.

      If Slashdot was doing its job it would be the FRIST REVOLUTION!.

    2. Re:Is this the first? by Missing_dc · · Score: 1

      Perhaps "lead" as in what bullets are made of is accurate?

      it is after all a form of rebellion, in an eastern european country, no less.

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    3. Re:Is this the first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All hail our new Supreme Leader:
            Ex-Majority Leader U.S. Senator Bill Frist (R-TN), M.D., retired!

    4. Re:Is this the first? by $0.02 · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our Supreme Overlord.

      (I've fixed it for you)

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  3. i can see the headlines already tommorow by ionix5891 · · Score: 0

    "TWITter blocked in Moldova by government"

  4. The revolution ... by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

    will not be televised, but apparently it will be twittered.

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    1. Re:The revolution ... by ionix5891 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      pitty any future historian who will have to dig thru all the LOLs to follow historical events

    2. Re:The revolution ... by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Future researcher 1: We've almost decoded the ancient English language. FR2: Yes, we are very close. We just need a definition for this "LOL" word. FR1: Best I can tell, it seems to be a sign of mental retardation.

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    3. Re:The revolution ... by omnipresentbob · · Score: 1

      LOL! ... sorry. I had to!

    4. Re:The revolution ... by Krneki · · Score: 1

      ASCII art?

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    5. Re:The revolution ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do not slashdot the revolution

    6. Re:The revolution ... by GXTi · · Score: 1

      The revolution will be simulcast via twitter and telegraph, except where prohibited by law.

    7. Re:The revolution ... by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't need a television, what with the Internet and all.

      Like this.

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    8. Re:The revolution ... by curunir · · Score: 1

      The age of manual digging has long since past and future historians will have even more computing power at their disposal for investigating the past. We've begun to take for granted that what used to take a trip to the library and research skills to find is now as simple as CTRL+T, CTRL+K, search terms, ENTER (FF specific, but most browsers have an equivalent). 20 years from now, searches will incorporate far more AI-like characteristics to find what we're looking for. Future historians will simply set the parameters of the search and a computer will be the one sifting through the massive number of inane tweets.

      On the other hand, with the current decay of the English language, I half expect that within 20 years, you'll see text books with sentences like, "Can U BlEv George Washington had woodN tEth...LOL!" So future historians may find all those LOLs unremarkable.

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    9. Re:The revolution ... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      20 years from now, searches will incorporate far more AI-like characteristics to find what we're looking for. Future historians will simply set the parameters of the search and a computer will be the one sifting through the massive number of inane tweets.

      So that's why it'll try to wipe off humanity. I always wondered why the supercomputers in B-grade science fiction always hate humanity with a passion far in excess of what their cold silicon hearts should be capable of, but now it all makes sense. I, for one, welcome our new b-tarduter overlords!

      On the other hand, with the current decay of the English language, I half expect that within 20 years, you'll see text books with sentences like, "Can U BlEv George Washington had woodN tEth...LOL!" So future historians may find all those LOLs unremarkable.

      Given strong AI, as would be necessary for your research scenario, wouldn't the majority of textbooks be written by the computers? Or would the whole concept even make sense anymore: want to learn about something, have that advanced search algorithm search the Net and present the results in a form of a textbook or other learning material?

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    10. Re:The revolution ... by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      Most sci fi with a bent towards AI solves this--humans either become anti-social artistic hermaphrodites or artistic free love proponents. In both cases, there is usually some horrible crime committed by an outsider (or by someone trying to stage the impossible crime) that is solved by ... yet another outsider. The AI takes the place of common human government as well and is effectively given godlike authority, at least in terms of human respect for its decisions.

    11. Re:The revolution ... by curunir · · Score: 1

      Given strong AI, as would be necessary for your research scenario...

      I'm not sure what you mean by strong AI, but there really isn't much advancement in that field that's necessary for the searching methods I described. Google is already remarkably good at determining from the few search terms you enter which internet content is most similar to what you're looking for. And Bayesian filtering, once well trained, works quite well in filtering out spam. I see no reason why a historian couldn't use a thousand or so tweets to train his or her search filter and then let the computer filter our all the meaningless crap that comprises 99% of what gets posted to Twitter.

      And that methodology is possible with technology today...with increased computing power and further advancements in search and spam filtering technologies, it will only get easier in the future. That's why I said AI-like...it definitely does not have to be the kind of AI that's typically associated with that field of study. There's no need for the machine to actually understand the content it's searching, only to evaluate it based on the understanding of the person who configures the parameters of the search.

      And my lame attempt at humor also would not take place in some far off sci-fi reality where computer AI has advanced to the point where we have them write textbooks from material on the internet...it would take place in the ~20 years from now era when the people shaping that world are the ones that grew up between the time when cell phones became ubiquitous and the time when input to those cell phones advanced to the point where people no longer felt the need to reduce the number of characters in messages sent by those phones. I firmly believe that we'll eventually reach the point where our input to our computing devices will be based on biofeedback so that we essentially hold the phone in our hand and simply think what we want to say rather than punching it in using keystrokes of some sort. At that point, depending on how far English has declined in the interim, we should see a return to more sensible written English. But we're in a brief period right now where that's not the case and people are learning improper English for practical purposes.

      Regardless, given the advance of search technology in the past 10-15 years, I stand by my argument that historians will get a lot of help from computers when they're digging through the massive amounts of data for the important information that will help them understand the time period we're living in right now.

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  5. Twitter by koterica · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...."

    Maybe after this, twitting will sound a little less stupid.

    Maybe.

    1. Re:Twitter by f1vlad · · Score: 1

      Don't you recall another /. discussion about Israeli vs. Palestinians debates on twitter? Which one user cleverly interpreted as jews and arabs following each other on twitter :)

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    2. Re:Twitter by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...."

      When did CNN start using reporters from Fox?

      And tomorrow on Fox:
      "According to Imbeciles from the Moldovian front..."

    3. Re:Twitter by Mozk · · Score: 1

      Heh, I like that interpretation. And discussions like that are why I keep visiting Slashdot as opposed to Digg or—*shudder*—Reddit. I've found that MetaFilter usually has good discussions too, though.

      By the way, and I think this is the second time I've asked you, but I always forget, what does the Slashdot badge next to your name mean?

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    4. Re:Twitter by f1vlad · · Score: 1

      You asked before? I might have missed. It just means I work here that's all.

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  6. Wow by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm really surprised they managed to send so many messages without Twitter displaying the Fail Whale.

    1. Re:Wow by JCSoRocks · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's actually how it all started. People got the Fail Whale and thought that was the signal to rush the government. Oops!

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    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Sweden, election and whale share the same word, coincidence?

    3. Re:Wow by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I must officially be an old, curmudgeonly luddite now, since I didn't know what the Fail Whale was before today.

      Or wait, since we like bashing social networky things here, does that make me cool? I can't tell.

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    4. Re:Wow by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, epic fails in communication have already resulted in major events (skip the first two paragraphs)

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    5. Re:Wow by b100dian · · Score: 1

      evely molnin?

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  7. What's the story here? by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People use communication tools available to them to organize and carry out tactics?

    Oh, it's because it's twitter it's a novelty.

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    1. Re:What's the story here? by xlotlu · · Score: 2, Informative

      The story is their communist government cut down the communication tools. Cellphone coverage is off and all media "shutdown" early in the day. The radio / television employees all went home and the buildings are surrounded by the military.

      The story is they were left with the internet. Here's a good read.

    2. Re:What's the story here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were people 20 years ago using the Internet to organize protests?

      10 years ago? 5 years ago?

      The Internet as a social tool is just now coming to its feet. It's not even close to maturity yet. These are the types of things that serve as learning exercises for future real-world organizing being used by the Internet.

      It's called a paradigm shift. No, not Twitter: the Internet.

      Quit thinking small.

    3. Re:What's the story here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the one thinking small, not Em Emalb. You're flatly refusing to step back and consider the question in its larger context.

    4. Re:What's the story here? by thejoelpatrol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, basically. It's noteworthy that twitter is useful for this kind of thing. This was not some sort of foregone conclusion. When you first heard that people were twittering about all the inane stuff they do every 5 minutes, would you have thought it would also be useful for this? It would be noteworthy if 10 other hard-to-control tools sprang up, too, which they probably will in time. The more communication tools people can use to carry out tactics against governments that try to cut off access to those tools, the better. I bet there are some other students in some other country struggling for democracy who think this is pretty noteworthy indeed, and will try to organize this way now.

    5. Re:What's the story here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      37.5% of your sentence is composed of "it's", and some aren't even grammatically correct.

      You're doing it wrong.

  8. Europe... by hkz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From my time in Moldova with native students, all they want is to join up with the rest of Europe and get the show on the road. They're really frustrated at "the Man". There's the Romanians who don't want to reunite the countries (since Moldova is poorer), the Russians who keep feeding the border conflict with Transnistria (fascinating read about that tin pot narco/weapons state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria ), there's the EU that doesn't even want to consider Moldova as long as there's an unsolved border conflict, there's the communists in power, and so on. Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine -- which was much the same circumstances.

    Totally OT: Moldova has the BEST wine and the CRAZIEST Nightclubs. Gotta believe me on that one ;-)

    1. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine

      What - you mean financed and organised by the US government?

    2. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Informative

      Russians work as peacekeepers in Transnistria.

      Also, you should try to read Wiki article you're quoting:
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      On August 31, 1989, the Supreme Soviet of the Moldavian SSR adopted Moldovan as the only official language, with Russian retained only for secondary purposes, returned Moldovan to the Latin alphabet, and declared a shared Moldova-Romanian linguistic identity. As plans for major cultural changes in Moldova were made public, tensions rose further. Ethnic minorities felt threatened by the prospects of removing Russian as the de facto official language, the possible future reunification of Moldova and Romania and the ethnocentric rhetoric of the Popular Front. The Yedinstvo (Unity) Movement, established by the Slavic population of Moldova, pressed for the equal status given to both Russian and Moldovan.[73]
      Soviet symbols are still used in Transnistria

      The nationalist Popular Front won the first free parliamentary elections in the Moldavian SSR in the spring of 1990[citation needed], and its agenda started slowly to be implemented.
      =======

      That pattern was repeated several times during the USSR collapse (in Georgia and Armenia). Russian peacekeepers were able to stop these conflicts before they turned into full-scale civil wars.

      Also, Transnistria's reputation as a drug haven is exaggerated.

    3. Re:Europe... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      And don't forget that Transnistria has official relations with the Kremlim much like South Ossetia does.

      Igor Smirnov (the head of Transnistria) just recently had a cordial meeting with the Russian President.

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    4. Re:Europe... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can also see how fucked Ukraine is now. The government is not functioning, the presidend and the prime minister (former best buddies and orange revolution heroes) are now bitter enemies.

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    5. Re:Europe... by vally_manea · · Score: 1

      As a romanian I can say that everyone wants Moldova to reunite but that is not going to happen since Russia is using Moldova as a buffer to Nato/EU.

    6. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No propaganda, please!

      Soviet and then Russian army actually always supported just one side (Abkhaz in Georgia, Transnistrians in Moldova, postcommunists in Tajikistan, etc.) The 'peacekeeping' here is just as valid term as 'protection', when provided by racketeers.

    7. Re:Europe... by dblackshell · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      ... as a Romanian I can tell you that some (like myself) don't give a damn about Moldova, as they don't give a shit about Romania...

      Oh, I remember now, they call upon our help when there are major problems (or for profit)... now that's what I call brotherhood relationship.

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    8. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Romanian I can also say that everyone I know 100% wants Moldova to re-unite.

      Azi noapte la Prut, razboiul a nceput,
      Romanii trec dincolo iara,
      Sa ia inapoi prin arme si scut,
      Mosia pierduta asta vara.
      Refren: Mergem in campia Basarabilor,
      Plina de grane, plina de dor.
      Si n Bucovina cu manastiri si brazi,
      Mergem la lupta dragi camarazi.
      Azi Prutul uneste pe fratii Romani,
      Si Nistrul al nostru e iara,
      Iar Bugu-;i hotar, intre noi si pagani,
      Din Tisa la Bug vrem hotare.
      Refren: ......
      Traiasca Romanul si Patria sa
      Ca n vremuri de odinioara,
      Nimic nu vom da, pe veci vom jura,
      Credinta in Rege si Tara. ;)

    9. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most Romanians want to reunite with Moldova(and I'm talking here about 99.9%), there are thousands of Moldavians in every major University in Romania, in mine too, we speak the same language and share the same culture and history. We even offered to enter the EU together with Moldova as a single country, which we wore before the USSR ripped it away.

      Let me put this clear for you: Romania and Moldova used to be the same country until WWII, The Republic Moldova is just a part of the historic region of Romania called Moldova(since 1359), a big part of it still lies in Romania. The USSR performed ethnic and cultural clensing there, the comunists even went so far as to trying to forbid the teaching of the Romanian language.

      Since before the ellections, Romanian citizens woren't allowed to enter Moldova, and now Moldovan citizens that are currently in Romania aren't allow to go back into their own country !

      There is probably going to be a millitary intervention this night, since the students even assaulted the national television while the president was there in the studio.

      In Romania we went trough something simillar in 1989, it started in the city I'm studying in, Timisoara. A simillar student protest ended in the millitary shooting in the mass of students and killing not only students but everyone who was on the streets. It was a real horror show troughout the country.

      If something simillar happens in Moldova I can only hope it's going to come to a millitary intervention from Romania or NATO. The revolution in Romania ended with over one thousand dead and thousands wounded, most of which wore students. I really hope other countries won't just stand by and let the same thing happen again. It's only come so far because romanian officialls allways wore big cowards afraid to say anything that would upset their Moldavian counterparts, or anyone else for that matter. If they won't do anything this time eyther, we're going to start protesting in the same manner.

    10. Re:Europe... by adyroman · · Score: 0

      Well actually the people of Moldova didn't actually want to unite with Romania in the early 90s. A poll in '92 showed that 70% of the people in Moldova were against the unification with Romania.

    11. Re:Europe... by richlv · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "russian peacekeepers". mwahaha.
      really, cut that crap. being occupied by russia for a good 50 years, and seeing what happens at it's borders after the period (georgia, anybody ?) we know quite well what their peacekeeping means.

      we also have seen the financing from russia working to keep up such local "movements". stop. we don't want to be occupied by you anymore, we don't want to be deported to siberia, we don't want to suffer from your atrocities anymore. try to understand that, work hard, and maybe, maybe in 50 years you will be respected by your neighbours, as opposed to fear and hatred.

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    12. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it (I'm a romanian too)

    13. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 0

      "really, cut that crap. being occupied by russia for a good 50 years, and seeing what happens at it's borders after the period (georgia, anybody ?) we know quite well what their peacekeeping means."

      Well, Georgia shot first. So? I fail to see tanks rolling through the streets of Tbilisi.

      "we also have seen the financing from russia working to keep up such local "movements". stop. "

      If you have already forgotten, USSR was broke and penniless when local conflicts first flared up in the ex-USSR. That's also when a lot of atrocities were committed by anti-Soviet nationalistic movements.

      Let me guess, you're from Poland?

    14. Re:Europe... by dblackshell · · Score: 1

      from the way you speak, and the protests your speaking about I assume you are a member of "Noua Dreapta", an ultra-nationalist organization...

      Moldova and Romania have moved on two separate roads, and it's not our right, not our duty to intervene. There is no room for "divine" intervention, if they want to go through with this they'll have to sort it out themselves.

      Just take as an example the way that the US cleaned Iraq from dictatorship. Now there are more bomb attacks, political conflicts, etc that anyone would have imagined. The changing of the system can only be done by their citizens, intervention may be interpreted by the communist party as a lack of power from the people they rule.

      If you and your ultra nationalist party are rebelled by what's happening, I invite you and your little fellas to go in Moldova and sort things out.

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    15. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That pattern was repeated several times during the USSR collapse (in Georgia and Armenia). Russian peacekeepers were able to stop these conflicts before they turned into full-scale civil wars.

      Really?

    16. Re:Europe... by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Funny

      there's the communists in power, and so on. Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine ... Totally OT: Moldova has the BEST wine and the CRAZIEST Nightclubs.

      So they party like it's 1984?

    17. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      That was hardly a full-scale civil war.

    18. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      No propaganda, please!

      And now think _why_ Russian army had to support minorities. And why minorities greeted army with open arms.

    19. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eu cred ca esti ... de dai in gropi. Uite-te la varsta celor care demonstreaza.

      daca nu esti capabil sa vezi amanuntul asta, iti recomand sa renunti la experimentele tale criptografice (ai nevoie de o anumita subtilitate intelectuala sa fi bun in campul asta - asta ti-o zice unul care chiar se pricepe la asa ceva ;-) )

      Sorry ./ audience. Nothing for you to see here. Please move along!

    20. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it quite offensive this guy was modded Interesting as he is obviously trolling

    21. Re:Europe... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There is no room for "divine" intervention, if they want to go through with this they'll have to sort it out themselves.

      Right. I'm sure the Russians feel the same way, and aren't just waiting for an excuse to extend their sphere of influence. I'd be very surprised if their agitators weren't behind it somehow.

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    22. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are a fucking moron and a traitor. Go back to Russia and suck their c*** some more. Only idiots would spew such crap. Moldovans are Romanians and the only reason many Romanians think unification is not a good idea it's because of Bolshevik propaganda. You are a great example of that.

    23. Re:Europe... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Frankly, Ukraine was fucked before the Orange Revolution, and everyone knew it, too. It wouldn't have been any better if it didn't happen. It just happens to be a state in turmoil; largely precipitated by the east/west divide, with eastern regions being mostly Russian-speaking and self-identifying as ethnically Russian, and western regions being mostly Ukrainian-speaking and self-identifying as ethnically Ukrainian. And yet Ukraine pretends to be a single nation-state with a single state language. Of course that's not working out well in practice - eventually, they'll have to federalize it (and let the regions self-determine with respect to language and other cultural issues), or split it. Until then, it will remain a mess.

    24. Re:Europe... by gaspyy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      from the way you speak, and the protests your speaking about I assume you are a member of "Noua Dreapta", an ultra-nationalist organization...

      Bullshit!

      Most of what the AC said is true. For any westerner, Moldavia's history is convoluted and here it's not the time or place for history lesson, however, any person in their right mind would agree that the Moldavian is the same as the Romanian language (despite Moldavian-Romanian dictionaries nonsense).

      Also, I have not come across any Romanian who would not support a unification with Moldova; not to mention how Moldova got free electricity from Romania and all sorts of help since their economy is weak.

      On the other hand, I do agree that those with Romanian heritage in Moldavia do not amount to more than 50-60%, so I can understand than many would prefer stronger ties with Russia instead.

    25. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is the idiot who wrote this, I am Romanian and I couldn't be happier to see Moldova reunited with Romania, it is the Moldavian government who doesn't want that!

    26. Re:Europe... by kalkin2106 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure that what you are saying is true ? I as a Romanian can tell you that you can't be more wrong. Since 1945 when the Russians. have taken Moldavia from us by force we want it back. and from 1989 since the Romanian revolution we have welcomed any Moldavian and asked them many times to unite with us again and for your information Moldavia is historically speaking Romanian territory and so is the North of Bucovina witch is now in Ukraine thanks to the Russians. The Moldavian government was the one that was keep blocking any attempt of reunion. So please before writing something have some valid info on the subject.

    27. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      any person in their right mind would agree that the Moldavian is the same as the Romanian language (despite Moldavian-Romanian dictionaries nonsense).

      I don't recall saying anything different, or even mentioning something opposed to your statement.

      Also, I have not come across any Romanian who would not support a unification with Moldova

      You've come across me, and trust me there are others too. Just look somewhere higher on another comment of mine and another Romanian who agrees. Already 2, it seems you're asking the wrong people about this.

      not to mention how Moldova got free electricity from Romania and all sorts of help since their economy is weak.

      how good proved that to us? We are currently exporting an estimate of 3 TWh, and importing 2,3 TWh.

      And while mentioning the pro bono stuff we're doing, would you mind paying my electricity bill, because the price of electricity keeps getting higher and higher by day? Of course you wouldn't, because I'm not from Moldova, and people in Romania don't need that support. Of course not.

      If you support the unification of Romania with Moldova, that means your an hypocrite, because that would mean you support the local autonomy of "Tinutul Secuiesc", which in other words means it's unification with Hungary.

      Do as you will, but if this unification really happens, there would be only more reasons for the hungarians in "Tinutul Secuiesc" to start a riot like in Moldova, and wait for Hungary to step in and "reclaim" it.

      So instead of being a "dreamer" try to see the events from an objective way... This goes also for the zealots who responded to a previous comment I made, and which showed the "true" quality of some Romanians on /.

    28. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You my friend are an idiot. Sadly I didn't post with my account and I won't do it now, so I have no way to prove that I'm the same person who posted above.

      But for your information I'm a quarter Hungarian, have Jew relatives, and my dad's born in Russia.

      If I tried to join "Noua Dreapta" they'd probably have fun kicking the **** out of me. I have colleagues that are from Moldova and I feel for them, I don't have to be ultra-nationalist to be outraged and to fear that people I know get shot on the streets, like it happened here in 1989.

      And yes, if I could make a difference, I would go there myself. But wait, the frackin border is blocked ! The TV Stations are down ! The Internet is Down ! How the fuck can you as a fellow Computer Scientist criticize me.

    29. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a little difference there though... For the Europe the Russian GAS is
      much more important than the democracy in Moldova, at least for now... So don't
      think there are ways for Europe (include NATO & Romania) to get really involved.
      They are condemned, again...
      ps.
      {just before the election a small transit gas pipe burst in Moldova, by accident...}

    30. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      I seriously doubt it's going to come to this as the police didn't even try to use tear gas to stop the rioting students. BTW, the communist party won the elections fare and square, as witnessed by over 3000 watchers from EU.

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    31. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      I wonder: how many people in Romania do support unification with Moldova?

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    32. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      The TV stations are up, and always were infact, and the internet was down for half a day - since about 5-6 pm. It's very much up and running now.

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    33. Re:Europe... by dblackshell · · Score: 1

      well this cannot be know, no study or research has been done on that matter. But I can tell you that we (most of the young people, under 30) don't share the ideology, and don't care about.

      A small example, from the entire Romanian blogosphere I read daily (100+) there were only 3-4 who wrote an article about it, and a couple which came with twits like: "gonna watch some TV... actually changed my mind, you can't see anything else except the riot in Moldova".

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    34. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Death?

      Many more will die, before any conflict in resolved.

      It brings the whole thing into perspective.

    35. Re:Europe... by georgeb · · Score: 1

      Sorry that's actually not true; Romania offered Moldova a free step-in right after 1989 but it became obvious that the Moldavian pro-Romanian movement was vastly outnumbered by the pro-Russians. If they wanted to unite with Romania right now, Europe and NATO would have a problem -- they don't want conflict zones within their borders, and the Transdniester Republic is one. Plus, we would really be stepping on Russian toes. Penalty for that is usually invasion, sometimes annexation and, in some rare cases, world war 3.

    36. Re:Europe... by MrNiCeGUi · · Score: 1

      Not many, I think. It's one thing to dream about old national borders, but the situation has changed a lot in the last half century.

      Moldova has now a very large minority of russians, ukrainians, gagauz (?) and god knows what else. They have a serious border conflict/separatist region case with regards to Transnistria. They are economically underdeveloped compared to Romania. Also their culture has been thoroughly attacked and decimated in order to smother their national identity.

      Romania is now a part of the EU. In order to become a member it had to give up any and all possible territorial disputes with all of its neighbors. Agreeing to a reunification would mean being excluded from the EU. It's a choice very few romanians are prepared to make.

      Also reunification would mean getting booted from the EU, getting the very large national minorities in the region, along with all the problems this entails, having to solve the Transnistria situation and also having the romanian economy dragged down in a moment when it's not doing too well already. Not smart. It has taken almost twenty years to recover from the fall of communism; this would take much more than that.

      The sane view, I think, is to encourage Moldavia to find its own way into the EU, this being, from a practical point, almost equivalent to a reunification with Romania itself. The time of reunification for the two romanian states has passed almost twenty years ago. The road ahead is now much longer and darker, and this revolution/revolt will not solve anything right away. It's just the first step of many, and juvenile enthusiasm would only get them this far.

    37. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      "Agreeing to a reunification would mean being excluded from the EU. It's a choice very few romanians are prepared to make." - ahh, that's what I thought. I wouldn't call the revolt a first step at all though. It seems to me the opposing parties don't actually want to make Moldova a better country, and the rioting students don't seem to realize that they are pretty much puppets in the hands of these parties.

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    38. Re:Europe... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Please, don't use the words "Russians" and "peacekeepers" in the same sentence. I've got enough "peace doves" to draw in school while dad at constant military retraining kept learning the best ways to "defensively" attack Denmark.

      And putting Soviet symbols anywhere above Nazi ones is bending the history. Per-year, Soviets were as bad or worse as Nazis, and we had occupying us (central and eastern Europe) for 50 years while Nazis did barely 5.

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    39. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      "it became obvious that the Moldavian pro-Romanian movement was vastly outnumbered by the pro-Russians" If pro-Russian party had won the elections, russian would be the official language, not romanian, and certainly Transnistrian Republic wouldn't exist.

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    40. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "I've got enough "peace doves" to draw in school while dad at constant military retraining kept learning the best ways to "defensively" attack Denmark."

      That's what military does. Be sure that US army is training to 'preemptively' attack China and other countries.

      Comparing Soviet and Nazi occupations is just insane. It's way beyond bending of history.

    41. Re:Europe... by gr8dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Russian peacekeepers"....

      Russia's presence in that area makes the problem persist. The reasons they're there is not to keep peace, but to maintain a conflict.

      They need it because it is to their benefit to keep some troops here and there, "just in case".

    42. Re:Europe... by gr8dude · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I do agree that those with Romanian heritage in Moldavia do not amount to more than 50-60%, so I can understand than many would prefer stronger ties with Russia instead.

      This is because the Soviets took this into account and deported great numbers of people to Siberia; at the same time they "imported" a lot of Russians and offered them a place to live, the best-paying jobs, encouraged the use of the Russian language and discouraged the use of Romanian, etc.

    43. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Yep, it would be much better to let Georgia wipe out and ethnically cleanse Ossetia and Abkhazia. After all, Georgia can't be bad, right?

      Maybe NATO also should have helped Serbia to maintain its territorial integrity instead of helping Kosovo to secede.

      Russian peacekeepers more or less stopped local conflicts, but they can't solve underlying problems.

    44. Re:Europe... by gr8dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are several ways in which they could cheat, doing this before or after the elections.

      An observer can only see the same person walk in and out into _the same_ office to vote several times, or see a person using several voting ballots.

      What an observat can't see:
      - the same person voting in different voting offices
      - how people were prevented from entering the country in the pre-election period
      - how voting offices were not set-up in some parts of the country
      - how someone shows up and uses the identity of a dead person using fake documents

      The opposition promised they will bring evidence that proves that the elections were tricked. If that is true, then we have a case.

      I myself am against violence and I hope no one will die in the riots; I realize that the crowd can be easily manipulated.

      Stalin said it a long time ago - it doesn't matter how people vote, it only matters who does the counting.

    45. Re:Europe... by gr8dude · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can't speak for everyone else. I'm from Moldova and I can tell you that there are a lot of people here who are still able to reason clearly.

      The people want it, but the leaders find it against their "business interests". It is not _us_ who came up with the stupid Moldovan-Romanian dictionary, it is not _us_ who told the Romanian government to "keep out of our internal matters", it is not _us_ who don't even speak Romanian nor bother to learn it.

      What happens now is that the people are trying to get rid of these incompetent leaders.

      I am ashamed every time I watch the news and see how our politicians refuse to cooperate with the Romanian government - which has tried numerous times to offer us a hand of help.

      In this context it is evident why there are people in Romania who don't see Moldovans as "brothers" anymore.

    46. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they do, just as in Georgia. They once kept "peace" in over half of Europe and we still fondly recall the "Russian peacekeepers" that came to my native Hungary!

    47. Re:Europe... by gr8dude · · Score: 1

      Do you think the problem would occur if those lands weren't forcefully populated with non-natives in the first place?

      I don't know if you've ever been to Moldova, but the Russians here live an easy and safe life, like everybody else. There is no discrimination, nobody kicks nobody's butt in the street for the fact that they are "!moldovan", etc.

      I've never been to Georgia, but if they are like us, I think that "prevent ethnical cleansing" is just a pretext to keep troops there.

    48. Re:Europe... by georgeb · · Score: 1

      pro-Russian != russian ethnics (of which Moldova has quite a few). Transnistria is an ethnic conflict, the current crisis is not.

      I was responding to gp's claim that Romania didn't favour the unification. It's Moldova that firmly opposed it, and it was their choice and Romania wouldn't dare to ignore Moldovan people's choice.

      No one would even dream of a unification of Romania and Moldova unless the vast majority of Moldovans would ask for it. The unification movement in Moldova (this is what I meant by pro-Romanian) is small. Most people want close ties to Moscow (this is what I labelled pro-Russian).

      Technically, Romanian is _not_ the official language in Moldova, Moldovan is. Yes, it's the same language but geopolitics says otherwise :)

      In recent news, Romania is accused of organizing the attempted coup in Chisinau, the Romanian ambassador has been declared persona non grata. The communists are not happy with Romania, not one bit.

    49. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "I don't know if you've ever been to Moldova, but the Russians here live an easy and safe life, like everybody else. There is no discrimination, nobody kicks nobody's butt in the street for the fact that they are "!moldovan", etc."

      Yes, I've been to Moldova. There's little discrimination there, you're right.

      That's why Moldovan conflict is the only one which can still be resolved peacefully.

      "I think that "prevent ethnical cleansing" is just a pretext to keep troops there."

      There are no troops in Georgia. There are troops in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Read Wiki about conflicts between them and Georgia.

      I just want to show that Russia is not absolute evil. Of course, it's also not a 100% angel (not even close).

    50. Re:Europe... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Comparing Soviet and Nazi occupations is just insane. It's way beyond bending of history.

      I see you haven't lived in a country occupied by Soviets.

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    51. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      I was born in Russia. Currently I'm living in Ukraine.

    52. Re:Europe... by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      So let's see, first Russia supplies weapons and finances to "rebels" within Georgia (ossetian and abkhazi) in the 1990s, because you know, rebels must be aided and such, Russia is so nice and supports minorities all over.

      Then Russia has its own rebel problems in Chechnya, yet somehow these are not the good rebels, they must be murdered. So of course after accusing Georgia of harboring some of them, they conduct an air raid in Georgian territory in 2002 and then deny it (this is something of a recurring theme, as in the 2008 bombing of Georgia, Mr. Medvedev also at first claimed Russia didn't bomb anyone and if anything some eager pilots took matters into their own hands)

      Then there's the matter of the Russian military. Georgia became independent again in 1991, yet it took 16 years (until 2007) for the Russian military to withdraw from a sovereign country. Now of course there's plans to reoccupy military bases on Georgian territory again, to establish a Black Sea presence. Coincides nicely with the fact that the Russian navy is finally getting kicked out of Ukraine, but then you'd know all about that mr. frustrated russian living in Ukraine :)

    53. Re:Europe... by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      It's terrific that Russia runs to protect "minorities", except that it doesn't really care about minorities as a whole (witness the plight of the Maris in Russia itself as an example), but it does very much care that there are russians in pretty much every country in the world - always a nice excuse to claim some sort of mistreatment, fund extremists, react to an inevitable crackdown by the foreign government with sanctions, etc.

    54. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Wrong!

      First there was a nice little civil war and genocide started by nationalists in Georgia (against Abkhazia and South Ossetia). Abkhazia was winning this war and it Ossetia managed to fight Georgia to a standstill.

      Both parties fought mostly with light weapons, because Russian army remained neutral at first (due to Eltsin's policy of "take as much sovereignty as you can carry").

    55. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "It's terrific that Russia runs to protect "minorities", except that it doesn't really care about minorities as a whole (witness the plight of the Maris in Russia itself as an example)"

      Well, I congratulate you! You're a happy victim of propaganda.

      During 90-s Russian government did almost exactly nothing for Russians in other countries. So Russians were (and still are) mistreated and discriminated against in several very 'free' xUSSR states.

      Maybe you should stop quoting propaganda and read some history of the Russian Federation?

    56. Re:Europe... by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      Oh, do tell. In which way are they mistreated and discriminated? Are the poor things being forced to pass a simple official language test as a part of becoming a citizen? Because you know, it's quite difficult to do so even after living in the country for the last N decades?

      It always amazes me that when russians emigrate to say New York, they speak passable english within months, but in the formerly occupied countries were they've lived for decades, they still haven't come to grasp it.

      In case anyone's wondering, the reason is that in those formerly occupied countries they were previously the "ruling elite" and everyone was forced to speak russian with them. Not so much anymore, and I guess that just hurts inside :)

      Funny also that even when Mr. Putin offered a program for those poor repressed russians in other countries to come back home, with financial assistance and all, almost none took up the offer. Yet they still loudly complain about their "terrible treatment".

    57. Re:Europe... by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      Is that really the russian school textbook version of the story? Because the rest of the world sure doesn't recognize it that way. But hey, no surprise, during the soviet times, all major discoveries were apparently also made by russians and "stolen" by the big bad capitalists in the west. Reading soviet era textbooks is half sad, half hilarious. Propaganda rules though right?

    58. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "Is that really the russian school textbook version of the story? Because the rest of the world sure doesn't recognize it that way"

      [citation needed]

      "But hey, no surprise, during the soviet times, all major discoveries were apparently also made by russians and "stolen" by the big bad capitalists in the west."

      Do you know that it's not Edisson who's invented the lightbulb? And not Marconi who's invented the radio.

      Can you cite examples of unquestionably bad data from a recent (~15 years) Russian textbook?

    59. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "Oh, do tell. In which way are they mistreated and discriminated? Are the poor things being forced to pass a simple official language test as a part of becoming a citizen? Because you know, it's quite difficult to do so even after living in the country for the last N decades?:

      Also: a Russian can not be a president of Latvia, also Russian language is _forbidden_ for certain things there. For example, it's against the law to send a bill in Russian (even if it is translated into Latvian).

      And of course, Russian language is discriminated against.

      In Estonia you can say that "The best Russian is a dead Russian", but saying the same about Estonians will land you in the prison.

      Estonian committee on war crimes somehow overlooks all the war crimes committed by Estonians.

      Etc.

      But of course, that's a good thing! We can't let those stupid Russians maintain their culture. After all, USSR was the Evil Empire and the practice of Russification was universally condemned by the West. So it's a good thing that we preemptively destroy Russian culture.

    60. Re:Europe... by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      "[citation needed]"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhumi_Massacre

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)

      "Do you know that it's not Edisson who's invented the lightbulb? And not Marconi who's invented the radio."

      Let me guess, you'll next claim Popov invented the radio (not Marconi, not Tesla, not Hertz) and the light bulb was invented by Lodygin (not Edison, not Davy, not Swan) :)

      "Can you cite examples of unquestionably bad data from a recent (~15 years) Russian textbook?"

      Not directly, no, which is why I posed the question. I do however have enough soviet era textbooks to draw a conclusion from though, from your posts I guessed you're going by those, but if not then I guess the propaganda didn't die with the union.

    61. Re:Europe... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy [wikipedia.org]
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhumi_Massacre [wikipedia.org]
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993) [wikipedia.org]"

      Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)#Russian_role_in_the_conflict - role of Russian military forces during the first stages of the conflict was very minor.

      "Let me guess, you'll next claim Popov invented the radio (not Marconi, not Tesla, not Hertz) and the light bulb was invented by Lodygin (not Edison, not Davy, not Swan) :)"

      Popov invented the first practical coherer radio, certainly before Marconi.

      Electric lamp was independently discovered by several inventors, not Edison as many people believed.

      "Not directly, no, which is why I posed the question. I do however have enough soviet era textbooks to draw a conclusion from though, from your posts I guessed you're going by those, but if not then I guess the propaganda didn't die with the union."

      So, no citations then?

    62. Re:Europe... by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      "Also: a Russian can not be a president of Latvia, also Russian language is _forbidden_ for certain things there. For example, it's against the law to send a bill in Russian (even if it is translated into Latvian)."

      [citation needed]

      "In Estonia you can say that "The best Russian is a dead Russian", but saying the same about Estonians will land you in the prison."

      I can already tell you that is BS. But, again, [citation needed] :)

      "Estonian committee on war crimes somehow overlooks all the war crimes committed by Estonians."

      Which committee? Which war crimes were committed and by who? Which war crimes have which russians been convicted of there (since you seem to imply that they have)?

      The atrocities russians perpetrated even AFTER the war in Estonia (and many many other countries), nevermind during it, should make any russian hang their head in shame. Germany acknowledged its role in the terrible fate of Europe in the 20th century, they've apologized, they've even paid real money to victims, but Russia to this day refuses to acknowledge any such thing. To this day, russians living in countries they happily occupied for 50 years gather to celebrate "victory day", which always comes as a slap in the face to the so called native population of those countries. Nothing like watching a bunch of babushkas celebrate the start of occupation, deportations, tortures, etc.

      "But of course, that's a good thing! We can't let those stupid Russians maintain their culture. After all, USSR was the Evil Empire and the practice of Russification was universally condemned by the West. So it's a good thing that we preemptively destroy Russian culture."

      Who is destroying russian culture? Nobody is outlawing russians speaking russian to one another, procuring russian language books isn't outlawed, travel to russia isn't restricted, etc. Unlike that which happened during the occupation and russification which you I guess don't condemn at all.

      Funny how russians in the US, Canada, Australia, Britain, etc. don't demand that everyone speaks russian to them, don't cry about having to pass citizenship exams, don't yell discrimination when they can't become the president of the US because one has to be a natural born citizen there...Is it maybe because in those countries even the russians themselves would find such expectations ridiculous, but in their former "sphere of influence" it was and still is somehow expected?

    63. Re:Europe... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Except that the "orange revolution" was (no conspiracy theory but a fact) set-up by the US government, including many of the protesters that stood there in the cold being payed be the CIA.
      As soon as the act was over, they kicked their "so-beloved" president again, because nobody liked him, except the US.
      I think you can read about it on Wikipedia somewhere.

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    64. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, EU and US officials said that elections are fair. Moldovas citizens are split between two party group - extremist and communist. Democrats are not even considered - they got less than 6% in total.

      Riots started before election results were announced because extremist parties got less than 50% and decided that this is not democratic that they loose.

    65. Re:Europe... by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      Comparing Soviet and Nazi occupations is just insane. It's way beyond bending of history.

      Really? Why? Stalin killed far more people than Hitler. The difference between Stalin and Hitler was the target of the genocide. Hitler decimated Jews, Gypsies, and other undesired races, while Stalin decimated people accused of being bourgeois by the millions, performed ethnic cleansing and ethnic relocation to avoid separatism, oppressed and killed a huge number of religious people, performed genocide through engineered famines such as Holodomor...
      In short:
      Hitler: The German people is superior, and we will ensure our power through *whatever means necessary*
      Stalin: Communism is superior, and we will ensure our power through *whatever means necessary*
      Oh, and the Soviet "liberation" of Nazi occupied areas:
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1382565/Red-Army-troops-raped-even-Russian-women-as-they-freed-them-from-camps.html
      Let me ask an interesting question: do you see any justification at all for
      1) Stalin fighting alongside Hitler, until Hitler betrayed him (and then he defeated Hitler, and rewrote History to say that "The Soviets were always allied with^W^W against the Nazi comrades^W menace"
      2) USSR occupying Eastern Europe? "Oh, to free them from Nazism, we shall occupy them, put them under a bloody communist dictatorship, and of course, perform genocide against all dissidents. They will thank us for that. Even though we helped the Nazis in the first place. Since we write the history books, they don't even have to know that."

      And now Russia helps the rebels in Georgia and other countries, because rebels are freedom fighters! They must be helped. Specially separatist rebels in other countries, of course. Specially if they want to get their territories annexed by Russia.

      But the rebels from Chechnya? Oh, those are terrorists! They must all be decimated to keep Russian sovereignty!

    66. Re:Europe... by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      Do you think the problem would occur if those lands weren't forcefully populated with non-natives in the first place?

      Why didn't you answer this?

      There are no troops in Georgia. There are troops in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Read Wiki about conflicts between them and Georgia.

      You've got to be kidding. Abkhazia is not part of Georgia?

      Is Chechnya part of Russia?

    67. Re:Europe... by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      a Russian can not be a president of Latvia

      For the love of Jesus, do you expect any country to allow a non-native citizen to become its president?

    68. Re:Europe... by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      Well, Georgia shot first.

      Shot first against whom? Against separatists in its own territory?

      Do you use the same standard for Chechnya?

    69. Re:Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Transnistria's reputation as a drug haven is exaggerated."

      No it is not, and they also sell arms to whoever wants to buy them -- mostly shady extremist groups.

      "Russians work as peacekeepers in Transnistria." You pulled that right out of your ass know didn't ya! Because nothing says "peace-keepers" like 1200+ man army.

    70. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 0

      Wow... I just found out that the communist party apparently changed the name of the official language to Moldovan. After the first elections in Moldova, the official language of Moldova became "limba Romana". That's what we all learned in schools. And it was so, apparently until I went to UK for a few years. At the time the communist party won the first elections, and apparently the official language became Moldovan... P.S. I really don't understand our government sometimes. Romania doesn't need Moldova with all its poverty, why did they thinnk it's the work of romanian special ops?..

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    71. Re:Europe... by eugene2k · · Score: 0

      Wait... no, I'm wrong again apparently. The official language always was moldovan, though for some strange reason every school called it Romana, and we had RussianRomanian dictionaries but never a RussianMoldovan one... God, this country is mixed up...

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  9. Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will not be able to stay home, brother.
    You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
    You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
    Skip out for beer during commercials,
    Because the revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be televised.
    The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
    The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
    Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
    The revolution will not be televised.
    The revolution will not be brought to you by the
    Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
    Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
    The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
    The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
    The revolution will not make you look five pounds
    thinner, because the revolution will not be
    televised, Brother.

    There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
    pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
    or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
    NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32 or report from 29 districts.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay.
    There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay.
    There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
    There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
    Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the proper occasion.

    Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and
    Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
    will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
    news and no pictures of hairy armed women
    liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
    The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
    Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
    Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be right back after a message
    bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
    You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
    The revolution will not go better with Coke.
    The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
    The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

    The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
    will not be televised, will not be televised.
    The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
    The revolution will be live.

    1. Re:Revolution? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      tldr

    2. Re:Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, Because the revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions. The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by the Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia. The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal. The revolution will not get rid of the nubs. The revolution will not make you look five pounds thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother. There will be no pictures of you and Willie May pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run, or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance. NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32 or report from 29 districts. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process. There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the proper occasion. Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock news and no pictures of hairy armed women liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose. The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb, Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be right back after a message bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people. You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl. The revolution will not go better with Coke. The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath. The revolution will put you in the driver's seat. The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised. The revolution will be no re-run brothers; The revolution will be live.

      Burmashave

    3. Re:Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tldr

      Too Lazy; Didn't Revolt?

    4. Re:Revolution? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      tldr

      Too Lazy; Didn't Revolt?

      No. Tweeter Leads: Do Revolt

  10. Oblig. GB2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I, Vigo, the Scourge of Carpathia, the Sorrow of Moldavia, command you!

  11. The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by blogs by Assoupis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As told in a lot of reports. But the government can't do much when suddenly it's stormed from everywhere, and after days and days of riots, some cop say: "hey I saw a blog that calls for this demonstration that was more like an angry mob !" I even think they didn't manage to close one of those blog. Also the election of 2004 in Spain, which happened three days after the Madrid train bombing, was won by the socialists, even though national TV was continually broadcasting that the ETA made those bombing (the ETA is a left wing basque nationalist group). Manuel Castells, a Spanish sociologist claim that everybody in the country was just SMSing all day for those three days, since it was clear for anyone left wing that it wasn't the ETA: the ETA usually claim their attacks, and do not usually target civilian.

  12. Fax, Internet, Same Thing by QuincyDurant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Soviet Union was crushed by fax machines. Twitter is just sort of a chickenshit fax machine for people who like to run their mouths.

    BTW, good for the students.

    1. Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I must not be using the same definition of "chickenshit" as you. Chickenshits usually don't storm government buildings.

    2. Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Chickenshit" modifies "fax machine," not "people." As the fax machines are not storming government buildings, it is perfectly appropriate.

    3. Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Skyfax.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    4. Re:Fax, Internet, Same Thing by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Soviet Union was crushed by bad economic policies; everything else was a consequence, not a trigger. The collapse began before fax machines or copiers became common.

  13. Not again! by markov_chain · · Score: 1

    How many more countries are going to sprout out in that area? I already went broke replacing all my atlases when the USSR broke up, Yugoslavia broke up and reorged a couple of times, then Kosovo went independent... sheesh! I wish there was an atlas with a bunch of scrapbook-style cutouts for the most likely countries to secede next :)

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    Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
    1. Re:Not again! by harry666t · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ultimate solution to this, and a handful of other problems:

      1. Buy a geographical atlas, with no countries marked at all,
      2. Write "world" on it,
      3. Tell everyone else to do the same.

    2. Re:Not again! by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Solves a handful of problems and creates many more. Pass.

      --
      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    3. Re:Not again! by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      Yugoslavia never re-organised, it just broke up. Quickly at first, gradually in later years. The last of the more or less kosher breakups was a couple of years ago when Montenegro split from Serbia, thus effectively ending Yugoslavia. Kosovo's status is still not set in stone, since its overhasty and unilateral declaration of independence is legally questionable. The last breakup before Montenegro was that of Czechoslovakia on 1 January 1993, when it became the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It's hardly a region in flux, methinks.

      As for Moldova, I think there are two main reasons it did not unite with Romania as it had been before the territory was occupied and annexed by the SU. First, Moldovan leaders wanted to remain country leaders, not just play Nth fiddle in a Romanian provincial council. Second, see the wiki article on Moldova, subsection titled "Soviet era". It was said that everybody with brains fled from Moldova over the river Prus when the Russians started coming. So the demographic balance was altered and now it's difficult to achieve something that grandiose.

      Just recently I mishappened to see an episode of some American sitcom, where one of the characters said something along the lines of, "Every girl needs to visit Europe at least once in their life, so I bought a ticket to Paris." I moaned. I've been told that quite many people over the pond cannot really tell the relation between Paris, France and Europe. One of those is another's capital, that much they know. "I thought Europe was a country" is something I have heard actually said on TV.

    4. Re:Not again! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      4. What if they don't take any notice?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    5. Re:Not again! by Agronomist+Cowherd · · Score: 1

      Just recently I mishappened to see an episode of some American sitcom, where one of the characters said something along the lines of, "Every girl needs to visit Europe at least once in their life, so I bought a ticket to Paris." I moaned.

      Are you claiming that Paris is NOT in Europe? Because visiting Paris is one way to visit Europe. Not the only way. But not a bad way.

      And "I thought Europe was a country!" is usually played for a laugh at the stupidity of the comment.

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      -DwS
    6. Re:Not again! by msouth · · Score: 1

      2. Write "world" on it,

      Yeah, well, there's gonna be a lot of people writing almost the same thing, but with slight but meaningful variations:

      "world--finally the whole thing is up for grabs"
      "world--mine"

      Also, when you're trying to bring about the One World Government you're supposed to do it in secret with Bilderbergers and Rothschildren and stuff.

      (Note that I completely left out this version:

      "world--thanks, Obama, for bankrupting the last barrier to a crushingly Socialist one-world government where the only group willing to rise up and take back power are the Islamofascists"

      That's because I'm dedicated to keeping the discussion dignified and civil.)

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      Liberty uber alles.
    7. Re:Not again! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but will it be the "World Republic Of Free Nations", or the "World Islamic Caliphate", or "The Kingdom of Our Lord Christ The Savior", or ...?

      Unless and until you figure that one out, it's not going to work.

    8. Re:Not again! by ultranova · · Score: 1

      "world--thanks, Obama, for bankrupting the last barrier to a crushingly Socialist one-world government where the only group willing to rise up and take back power are the Islamofascists"

      Just out of curiosity: what barrier was that? I thought it was capitalism that went bankrupt, and rather spectacularly at that...

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    9. Re:Not again! by harry666t · · Score: 1

      Duh, let go of one barrier and people will instantly come up with another.

      I think it's time for the mankind to realize that changing the world will never help anybody. If you want change, change yourself.

    10. Re:Not again! by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your comment. But YU was indeed pretty dynamic for a while; at first Serbia and Montenegro refused to let go the dream and so declared themselves a somewhat smaller YU. Then they renamed themselves to Serbia and Montenegro. And now Montenegro split. I found the whole ordeal kind of funny :)

      --
      Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
    11. Re:Not again! by msouth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just out of curiosity: what barrier was that? I thought it was capitalism that went bankrupt

      To anyone who understands anything about economics, this statement, honestly, looks like a troll. It's like reading someone saying "I thought Windows was better? Isn't that what 95% of businesses use?" or something like that. Yes, there are many, many people who thought (and perhaps still think, although OS X and even linux have made tremendous inroads into the public consciousness now), for example, that it was "obvious" which operating system was best. For one thing, there were many, many people in the media who would pontificate about the superiority of Windows over any alternative, and then you could back that up by finding hordes of Windows weenies who would enthusiastically repeat the tired, old, canards in a way that made them sound all sarcastic and superior.

      The people talking about the current crisis as a failure of capitalism understand economics in the same way that the people referenced above understand technology. They hear people talk about it, some of them sound like they know what they're talking about, they look around at other people in the crowd and go with what they think of as the consensus of the smart/informed people.

      In fact, they know very little, and the people that do know are sharply divided over what is "obvious".

      But if you think that you have seen capitalism fail, you just aren't looking hard enough to see past the Democrat's distortion blitz.

      I agree wholeheartedly that the novelty of credit default swaps were an artifact of capitalism. A stupid investment which Buffet called a time bomb--but capitalism produces stupid investments, as it reflects the desires of individuals to get something for nothing. That's not all it produces, but because it embraces freedom, it embraces people's freedom to dumb as well as to be smart. And sometimes what one person says is dumb turns out to have been really smart.

      But let's get back to the current useful-idiot-producing crisis. Where did the "money" come from that went into the bubble that just burst? It came from "money" (fiat money, meaning you aren't allowed to compete with it like you would in capitalism; political money, meaning it's produced by a quasi-government entity (the Federal Reserve) ) that was "created" when banks sold mortgages. There was a huge influx of "money" into the system. All the dizzying loads of information you can find about what happened after that--the "exotic derivatives" and so forth--is just the result of people trying to cash in on a flood of "money". Basically, yes, if you pour money into a capatilist system, it will figure out all kinds of ways to attempt to drive that money into the pockets of various players. No surprise there, and you can call it capitalism.

      Over time, after a source of money shows up, once people figure out what the real nature of that source is and how to value it, the activity around it calms down. There may or may not be a bubble, depending on how risky or cautious people are, whether quality information is available, and a host of other factors. Capitalism does not instantaneously find the value of something new, it tries hundreds of different ways to measure and extract that value.

      What, in the case of the current crisis, is the source of the "new money"? Well, we've already talked about the mortgages, buy why did they show up? Was there some kind of twitch in the invisible hand? Some evil capitalist corporation put subliminal messages into advertising convincing people that they should really be buying a house, it's what all the cool people are doing?

      No, no, and no. Although things something like that happened once it was shown that there was money there, what started this artificial glut of money was the government. Some politicians, concerned that people that couldn't afford to buy homes by evil capitalist banking standards, well, couldn't afford to buy homes by the evil

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      Liberty uber alles.
    12. Re:Not again! by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Do you want to keep going?

      Please do. Your ranting is quite amusing, in a way. It doesn't actually answer my question ("what barrier did Obama bankrupt?"), but it's amusing nonetheless.

      But I suppose I can't really blame you. Times like these must be very difficult for libertarianists. You merely react the same way most people do when their favourite ideology or religion is being contradicted by reality: you shout louder.

      I wish you luck in battling whatever demons of altruism you were really answering to. We've all had these moments of weakness when it seems just cruel to suggest that people should starve on the streets so we don't have to pay taxes, rather than the will of the Invisible Hand it is. You just have to have faith that everything will magically fix itself if you follow your greed and the word of Ayn Rand.

      In other words: Fuck you, I'm a socialist.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  14. Change they can believe in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow people literally taking back their country, anything #U.S._Corruption yet?

  15. Moldova? A Seinfeld Episode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode where Jerry couldn't remember the name of a country?

    1. Re:Moldova? A Seinfeld Episode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG that was so funny. Did you see the one where that lady was wearing a bra and it made Kramer crash the car?

  16. Example Tweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alright, we've got to overthrow those assholes running this country. And we've got to do it in 140 characters or less. So I want everyone to

    1. Re:Example Tweet by mike260 · · Score: 5, Funny

      brb rvltn

  17. perhaps the first... by cekander · · Score: 1

    but certainly not the last.

    viva la revolucion!

    1. Re:perhaps the first... by longacre · · Score: 1

      Maybe the last. Countries facing potential unrest will see this incident as a warning, and they'll have their fingers on the BLOCK ACCESS TO TWITTER button at the first sign of an uprising.

  18. So? by spartacus_prime · · Score: 1

    4chan (and related sites) have been used to organize things similar to this for a long time. Flashmobs too. Just because it's Twiter doesn't mean it's unheard of.

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    1. Re:So? by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      I suppose they stood outside the White House holding blown-up printouts of Goatse.

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      I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4chan (and related sites) have been used to organize things similar to this for a long time.

      Storming a department store or ballpark isn't quite the same thing. :)

    3. Re:So? by gnud · · Score: 1

      ...in what is now known as the 'Brown Revolution'.

  19. Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a plan to me.

    It isn't the government that needs to be stormed though... it is the Federal Reserve Bank.

    People hear so much about the government borrowing money to give to businesses and lower banks, but where does it come from? The Federal Reserve? People would have you think it is coming from China and other foreign investors, but when THEY aren't investing, where are those dollars coming from? Ah yes, the Federal Reserve... the private bank that has exclusive right to print and distribute currency. So the government borrows from the Federal Reserve Bank... but wait?! Isn't the Federal Reserve Bank part of the government? Nope. If that were the case, the government debt wouldn't go up... can't have debt without owing someone. In this case, it's the Federal Reserve Bank.

    I can't say that the money supply would be any better off in the hands of Congress and the executive branch, but I think there would be less propensity to spend money that we don't have. (Look at it this way, the invention of the credit card has enabled people to grow staggering debt... the credit institution that is the Federal Reserve Bank has enabled the government to grow staggering debt.) But one thing is for certain. The Federal Reserve Bank has undue command and control over the destiny of the U.S. and there are only two solutions to that problem.

    1. Add their function the the U.S. Constitution and ratify them as a fourth branch of government
    2. Abolish the dependence on the Federal Reserve Bank and restore the powers of the Treasury department

  20. Video streams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Video streams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The customs with Romania are blocked, moldavian students cannot enter Moldova; the capital city, Chisinau, is blocked out by military forces, people from other cities cannot enter in Chisinau; the internet is mostly down, all non-comunist tv stations are shut down; the national tv station broadcasts shows for kids. Gas bombs, water and petards are used against the protesters. The gov't currently blames external parties for the organization, especially Romania. An illusion is created that makes the protesters very violent. Most of that is for motivating the implication of army forces. It looks like the army should attack the protesters by night.

  21. Remember when... by PuckstopperGA · · Score: 1

    Remember when students actually stood for something and raged against the machine, instead of for it? Nice to see that still exists somewhere.

    1. Re:Remember when... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once you have stopped/destroyed "the machine", what will replace it?

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    2. Re:Remember when... by gnud · · Score: 1

      Dude, the dictatorship of the prolitariat.
      Duuuuh.

    3. Re:Remember when... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      I hope you are joking because we saw how well that worked in Soviet Russia, among other places.

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    4. Re:Remember when... by gnud · · Score: 1

      I was joking -- but do you really think that it was the common workers who ran the Soviet states?

  22. Twitteriffic! by geekmux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...." Maybe after this, twitting will sound a little less stupid. Maybe.

    Somehow I doubt it. Somewhere, the twits will be twoted as twaying something or other about how these tweettacks are a violation of their twitful rights...

    But don't twote me on that...

    1. Re:Twitteriffic! by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      [twitation needed]

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Twitteriffic! by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I tink I taw a puddy cat!

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      Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
    3. Re:Twitteriffic! by RegularFry · · Score: 1

      Bunch of twunts, the lot of 'em.

      --
      Reality is the ultimate Rorschach.
    4. Re:Twitteriffic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a twat.

  23. Darn! by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    Moldova is on my short list of places I want to visit in this world before I die. I'm happy to go places that aren't exactly tourist-ready but any place where "students are storming the presidency and parliament" is just too unstable to contemplate.

    Cross Moldova off the list for now. Maybe in a couple of years, though.

    1. Re:Darn! by xenolion · · Score: 1

      Think of this if you went now you can blend in and take some stuff from the presidents office for one of a kind souvenirs..

    2. Re:Darn! by gr8dude · · Score: 1

      Actually things are not that bad, this event is uncommon and it doesn't fit into the pattern.

      Let me know when you're here :-)

    3. Re:Darn! by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      In truth, it will probably be at least a couple of years before I can make the trip. Even then, I'll probably limit myself to Chisinau for the jazz festival. With that in mind, I'll try to remember to drop you a line before I come.

  24. internet kill switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is this why Obama wants an internet kill switch?
    http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/06/1617202

    1. Re:internet kill switch by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Evidently there IS an Internet kill switch in Moldovia. The whole country is offline. The major news portal that is normally hosted inside the country has put up a temporary site for itself hosted outside. See the unimedia link further down the comments.

  25. Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl by VShael · · Score: 1

    I can't say that the money supply would be any better off in the hands of Congress

    Maybe you can't, but a lot of smart people pointed that out. (The Founders) Mind you, they weren't talking about a congress full of corrupt incomptent idiots... or maybe they were, and they still thought it was better than bankers.

  26. new world order lords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WATCH AND LEARN!

  27. Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    But the government can't do much when suddenly it's stormed from everywhere,

    You believe that do you? This is an armed and violent attack on the government. The government can deploy troops with heavy caliber machine guns with armor piercing rounds. Those rounds will go through two or more people. Bring in tanks from the rear. Now you have a squeeze play, with the rioters trapped between machine guns in the front and machine guns on tanks advancing towards them in the back. Lets not forget white phosphorous rounds, flame throwers, napalm.

    There is plenty the government can do. While the rioters, and apparently you, believe they are untouchable and immortal, all it takes is seeing a couple of hundred people in the front die in less than five minutes to break the will or most mobs.

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  28. Dilbert by gambit3 · · Score: 0

    Seriously, am I the only one that thought "isn't that the fictional Dilbert country" when I first read this?

    1. Re:Dilbert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not... as there are a lot more slashdotters living in basements that know all the provinces and cities of WoW, but just 5 countries in the real world.

  29. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this one of those "Hey, bring a sleeping bag and a flashlight, we're 'storming' the parliament..." type raids, or are we talking about violence, weapons, true coup d'etat? Because if it's the pillow/sleeping bag kind, I totally want in... Who knows...considering I hadn't even heard of Moldova until today, I might even be able to run the place when they all get tired of beating eachother with bedding implements.

    1. Re:So... by MonkeyOnATypewriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just take a look http://unimedia.info/ ! These guys are serious...

    2. Re:So... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. I let my damn mod points expire...

      Unimedia is normally unimedia.md. Inside Moldovia, in other words. They're using outside hosting because everything in .md is down.

      They're updating their page chronologically, with timestamps. The parliament building has been occupied since yesterday and..... CNN has yet to notice it. At all. Amazing.

    3. Re:So... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      The parliament building has been occupied since yesterday and..... CNN has yet to notice it. At all. Amazing.

      Not so amazing.

      They just don't want to give angry US citizens who are already organizing in ever-larger numbers for Tea Partys any ideas that might end up putting their Messiahs' and the new spendulous-taxulous liberal-Democrat U.S. regimes' "New Order" at risk, especially as U.S. citizens have firearms.

      For now.

      Strat

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    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New spendulous-taxulous? New? Be careful who you tag with what labels.

      Neither major party has practiced fiscal conservation in 40 years, but the only party that has come close in the past two decades would be the one currently in power. Yes, the Clinton administration balanced the budget by riding the tech bubble, which was more luck than planning, but it is a fact that the worst budget blowouts in that period have been from the other guys. The only reason the Clinton administration could actually achieve a balanced budget on the back of the bubble was by being within shouting distance of the break-even mark to begin with. Yes, this administration has no chance at all of repeating the feat, but nobody could in the midst of a collapsing bubble and two idiot foreign wars.

      You and all the Tea Party stunt participants suffer from a common delusion: that "your" guys are any better than the current guys. All of you forget one thing: the split in both federal legislative bodies is still damn near 50:50. They. All. Fiscally. Suck. And they're all in it together. NONE of them care about you. Not one tiny damn. None of them have your best interests at heart, no matter what kind of lip service they pay to your ideals. Over and over you vote for them, because they claim to address what you care about, and over and over they betray your interests, to their own benefit. GET A GRIP!

      They push your buttons labeled Abortion and Guns and like a good little Pavlovian doggie, you bark. Then they sell your ass to monopolistic corporations that do their level best to bleed you DRY and you thank them for it.

      Stop wasting your time teabagging and do something useful for a change. Go to your city council and insist they put a measure on the ballot to do a 20 year bond issue to install fiber optic cable to every home in the city. Take all your friends and relatives with you. Then VOTE for it. Then do it again with the county commissioner. Then, when the local monopoly files suit against the city and the county, take all your friends and relatives to the courthouse, with your guns slung over your shoulders. Then watch them closely while they deploy. Australia is going to deploy fiber to 90% of its citizens, across a gigantic amount of desert, in 8 years. If your local government can't fiber up your county in 18 months, drag them out of their offices and line them up against the wall - they're cheating you, somehow.

      Do you know why you should do that? Because you and I know that the Moldovian parliament building was taken over by protesters claiming voter fraud yesterday and anybody who watches CNN doesn't know. Are you hearing me yet? Do you get it yet? Do you understand that your beloved Teabagging Party LIES to you? Do you understand that as long as they can control what you can hear about credibly, they can continue to tell you any lie they like? Do you get that you must get over your bizarre belief in private "capitalistic" control of natural monopolies? That local government exists for good reasons? That your access to information is the most precious thing you have?

      Yes, you and your friends and relatives are going to have to learn how to assess the credibility of news on the Internet. You're going to have to learn to recognize the whackos and crazies, the scammers and thieves, and correctly dismiss them. You're also going to have to learn to recognize and dismiss megacorporations hiding behind mouthpieces that push their agenda at your expense. This is a good thing, because sorry to say, you already have to do all of these things listening to mainstream American news. There are people still alive today who remember when reporters and editors were honest, thorough, and unbiased (for the most part, for some reasonable values of "honest" and "unbiased"), and they haven't learned that those days are over.

      If you don't want to stand up and take control of your access to information shut up about your fucking guns!

    5. Re:So... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I'm much more "libertarian" with a small "L" as the current policies and platforms espoused by the Libertarian Party aren't realistic in many ways IMO. I don't like the actions of either of the two major parties and haven't for many, many years. I never said the Republicans were any better. Especially the last Republican administration. Both parties are two faces of the same B.S. The current Democrat administration & congress are, however, taking the tax & spend strategy to new heights.

      I mentioned the Tea Partys as an example of dissent and unrest among the citizens concerning the new heights of tax & spend being reached. As far as I'm aware, the Tea Parties have participants from all parties, although sadly lacking in participants from the Obamabots and Democrat partisans in general.

      Please don't attach party loyalties to me that I do not have, nor espoused in the post you're replying to.

      Strat

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  30. In related news, Moldova has been renamed by Lakitu · · Score: 1

    Students stormed government buildings in what was formerly known as Moldova on Tuesday, setting the stage for revolution. The country has been renamed to recognize its new constituency and has elected a new leader.

    http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/shaq-hat.jpg

    Viva Twitteronia!

  31. live streaming by dblackshell · · Score: 1

    http://live.stirileprotv.ro/stream3/, waiting for an outbreak :D

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  32. One small tool by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 1

    I remember that the support groups for the Republic Windows sit down strike used a twitter feed to organize. I also remember that face to face meetings were more important. Tweets are good for flash mobs because they can notify many people very quickly. However, for any mass action to be sustained, you need serious planning and logistical support. Activism can never be coordinated solely over minuscule text messages.

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  33. We had something similar in this country by jfern · · Score: 1

    It was called the 2000 election in Florida. You could read about it on the Internet. The only difference was the lack of protests.

  34. Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl by b100dian · · Score: 1

    Several thousands moldovans it's like 50% of the country's young people atm. It's like millions in New York.

    If you do that, you will lose the survivors too (they will move to Romania, Ucraina or other countries).

    Again, if you do that, the elders will still replace you. And you will die in pain.

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  35. Way to go, Moldova! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Romanian, I am happy to see that the young Moldavian generation is sick of those communist bastards who stole the elections. I mean, really... Countless cemeteries voted for them to pass the 50% needed to win the elections.

  36. They held an election and the communists won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not the result the US wanted so let's try to overthrow it. Let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time.

    I don't care what the students want. The people who voted wanted something else. That's democracy. If you don't like it, there are plenty of alternatives which you might not like so much.

  37. It's incredible down here! by dimovich · · Score: 1

    Here, in Moldova, it's a pretty good place to be right now. We destroyed the Parliament builing and the first floors of the Presidency (our version of White House). People where throwing computers out the windows, documents, chairs, and all they found in the building. It all burned. I've never thought we would manage to do so much. I guess in everyone of us there is a mad man, which is good news if you want to overthrow a stupid dictator. Btw, on topic... Everyone I know found out about this small revolution on the Internet. Yay! Whish us good luck fighing against our evil overlords! :>

    1. Re:It's incredible down here! by dblackshell · · Score: 1

      it's all fine and dandy till someone will start shooting, right?

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    2. Re:It's incredible down here! by dimovich · · Score: 1

      It's not fine and it's not dandy. It's sth. that has to be done.

  38. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next book: How I used twitter make a REVOLUTION.

    According to the pictures, there are active group talking politics, vandals, thieves, firefighters and ambulance and lots of other just out there to see what is going on. There are some who didn't agree with whose having speech at the meeting.

    So get your own gov't pc while you can:
    http://community.livejournal.com/md_community/751045.html

  39. In Soviet Moldova by $0.02 · · Score: 1

    You don't overturn the government ...

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  40. Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl by georgeb · · Score: 1

    The communist govt of Moldova can't afford to do that. If they do that they're doomed. The govt may be communist but the times have changed, the country is not a closed-borders police state. There are almost 24/7 live broadcasts from Chisinau in Romania and the govt cannot shut down internet access completely (lots of ISPs don't cave in).

    The world would know. A military response from the govt would be plenty of justification for NATO to intervene.

    At the moment there hasn't been any military intervention, despite lots of rumours. Police special forces have used blank ammo to scare the people. There have been lots of arrests, over 200. There are riots in at least 2 other major cities.

    Today since 10 AM local time Chisinau is back in the streets. The govt doesn't like that, does its best to prevent it, but can't really use the army. The odds are a hell of a lot better for Moldavian revolutionaries now than they were for Romanian revolutionaries in 1989.

  41. In Soviet Russia by razvan784 · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, weblog tweets YOU!

  42. Re:The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by bl by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    I highly doubt that NATO would be able to justify intervening when this is a violent insurrection.

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  43. French did this for years.. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Read up on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel
    They where using 'online' to co ordinate national strikes back in the 1980's

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  44. Coward westerners! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How fucking pathetic are you westerners!
    Russia yells to EU to close their eyes on Moldova and EU obeys!
    Moldova is trapped between Transnistria, that is controlled by Russian army and Romania, that is making a fuss hoping to sneak a part of this country for free.
    Moldavians are getting beaten savagely by the police!
    Look!

    http://www.jurnaltv.md/?article=2041

    Access to Internet is almost blocked, I'm risking my life and the life of my family by posting this :(

    Moldova is not China, nor is North Korea, you fucking morons! It has no nuclear weapons, why don't you put an end to this?! It is just a crappy small tyrany ruled by a mad old man backed up by Russians!

    Why don't anybody intervene and stop this fucking madness? Why do you share this crime with the provokers that repeated the trick with the burnt Reichstag?

    Moldova is the poorest country in the Europe and it also got its own 911 now - the day when freedom died!

    SHAME ON YOU!

  45. Fight back by Warlord88 · · Score: 1

    Maybe the Moldovian government should borrow idea from The Guardian and launch a national newspaper on twitter to fight against the rebels.