Watching the IPRED Watchers In Sweden

digithed writes "In response to Sweden's recent introduction of new laws (discussed here recently) implementing the European IPRED directive, a new Swedish Web site has been launched allowing users to check if their IP address is currently under investigation. The site also allows users to subscribe for email updates alerting them if their IP address comes under investigation in the future, or to report IP addresses known to be under investigation. This interesting use of people power 'watching the watchers' is possible because the new Swedish laws implementing the IPRED directive require a public request to the courts in order to get ISPs to forcibly disclose potentially sensitive private information. Since all court records are public in Sweden, it will be easy to compile a list of addresses currently being investigated."

Comments

Government accountability

[saiha]

Its a beautiful thing.

Re:Government accountability

[cbiltcliffe]

Until the government raids and confiscates the servers that the site is hosted on....

Oh, wait..... this isn't Phoenix....

Re:Government accountability

[emilv]

No, but this is Sweden. The motto of our police force are something along the lines of "Raidin' The Pirate Bay and keepin' their servers forever". Thus, your comment are not at all inappropriate to describe Sweden.

Re:Government accountability

[Anonymous Coward]

Meh, even if the police give your hardware back, you have to at the very least go over it with a fine-toothed comb looking for tiny embedded keyloggers, if you're feeling particularly paranoid maybe best just to sell it on as "handled by the pigs" damaged goods and get new kit.

Re:Government accountability

[Anonymous Coward]

You brought up the Pirate Bay case as an example. The police confiscated a lot of unrelated servers as evidence but one got returned real fucking quick, even though it is an extremely controversial site. The reason for that is that it was registered as a news outlet, which is especially protected in the Swedish constitution (see tryckfrihetsförordningen and yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen)

A site like this could easily get the same protection by registering at rtvv.se (Radio & TV verket).

Swedish does not derive from Latin

[BadAnalogyGuy]

It's a shame that the Swedish language doesn't derive from Latin. The Sapir-Worf hypothesis states that you can only conceptualize those things that your language supports.

Since Swedish doesn't have the concept of habeas corpus, they find themselves in this kind of circular "watching the watchers" predicament. When the government has no responsibility to provide proof of anything to simply go ahead with investigation, the citizens are forced to take measures like this wherein they must determine on their own whether they are under investigation.

Sad state of affairs over there in Sweden, it pains me to say.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[MichaelSmith]

Thats a terrible analogy. I am a native English speaker and I did not hear of habeas corpus until recently.

OTH my wife is a native Cantonese speaker and I have noticed the trouble she has in English with the concepts of lights vs mirrors, ground vs floor and gate vs door.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Ethanol-fueled]

I know nothing of the Swedish language but I'd give my left nut to be able to request that information in America, especially since our governmental attack dogs behave as if they have no responsibility to provide proof of anything to simply go ahead with investigation anyway.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[BlueParrot]

If you're writing this from the US I'm going to laugh at you.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Anonymous Coward]

The Sapir-Worf hypothesis

1) It's Sapir-Whorf - watch less star trek.
2) That hypothesis does not work like you think it does.
3) You don't understand Swedish laws, or the concept of habeas corpus.
4) ????
5) Oh, and fuck you.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[ParanoidJanitor]

English is also not derived from Latin (although it does borrow a large amount of words from Latin.) Swedish and English actually come from the same language family (Germanic) and share a large number of words (whether they share more than English shares with Latin is something that I don't know.) By the hypothesis you mentioned, the concept of habeus corpus is not something that English speakers should be able to conceptualize either.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Quothz]

Since Swedish doesn't have the concept of habeas corpus, they find themselves in this kind of circular "watching the watchers" predicament.

*sniff* That's a beautifully constructed troll, sir. The obvious response, of course, is that habeas corpus has nothing whatsoever to do with initiating investigations. At all. In any way.

The only reasonable conclusion, of course, is that your native tongue is Chewa, which of course has no phrase for "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but I could sure use another drink".

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[nacturation]

Thats a terrible analogy.

I think you meant to say that it was a bad analogy, considering the username you replied to.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[BadAnalogyGuy]

Oh, now "fuck you" is insightful?

Fuck you.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[jhol13]

I do not believe in the hypothesis.

Besides, Sweden does have habeas corpus.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Anonymous Coward]

My left nut carries a much higher cost. Just sayin'.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Anonymous Coward]

No. "Fuck you" is insightful only in certain circumstances that you and BadAnalogyGuy don't fully grasp.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[proton]

As a swede, I can say that our laws seems to function quite alot better than the american laws do.

We actually have the freedom to watch our watchers (in most cases). The government is quite significantly more "for the people by the people" than in the United States.

And just for you, the european human rights convention explictly states "habeas corpus" rights, although not under the title "habeas corpus". This convention is also considered part of swedish law since 1998.

And we certainly have the sense not to run camps were our "habeas corpus" doesnt apply...

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[BattleApple]

yeah.. well, you're probably right-nutted!

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[iminplaya]

...the concept of habeus corpus is not something that English speakers should be able to conceptualize either.

Yes, we did lose that ability just a few short years ago.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Threni]

> English is also not derived from Latin (although it does borrow a large amount of words from Latin.)

It borrows to within less than 1% as many words from Latin as from the biggest influence, so where it's derived from is something of a moot point for the purpose of this argument!

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[HonIsCool]

Unfortunately it seems that citizens of almost any country believe their country to be, if not the best in the world, at least certainly better than the country of their critics...

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[mindstormpt]

Unfortunately, they always seem to be right if the critics are from the US...

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[CRCulver]

The Sapir-Worf hypothesis states that you can only conceptualize those things that your language supports.

Cute. But whenever the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is brought before a popular audience, it's always worth mentioning that the hypothesis in its strict form (the language constrains the way you think) is rejected by the vast majority of linguistics, and even its less strict form (that language influences the way you think) is highly contentious. Unfortunately, from popular media like Stephenson's Snow Crash and reports that "the Japanese have a word for it", there's much misunderstanding about how languages actually differ and how those differences appear to speakers.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[iNaya]

That really depends on whether you count words borrowed from the other romance languages which were borrowed / evolved from Latin as being borrowed from Latin. It also depends on whether or not said English lexicon belongs to a biologist.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Kjellander]

English is also not derived from Latin (although it does borrow a large amount of words from Latin.) Swedish and English actually come from the same language family (Germanic) and share a large number of words.

Not only that. A lot more English words than you think are borrowed from old Norse, the root of Swedish, Danish , Icelandic and Norwegian, and this because we Vikings invaded a thousand years ago.

Don't believe me, check out the etymology on the word window, which means eye to the wind. (Swedish has since borrowed the German word Fenster into the word fönster, but that is beside the point. Norwegian still uses vindue)

Think about that next time you see for instance Microsoft's trademark on a +1000 year old Norse word, vindauga.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[jonaskoelker]

is that your native tongue is Chewbacca

Which of course has a phrase for "I do not make sense!"

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Anonymous Coward]

In this case the "fuck you" does in fact deserve the insightful due to slashdot's lack of a "parent doesn't know jack shit about what he is blabbering about" moderation category. It's insightful because it clearly points out that your post is pure nonsense and the "fuck you" acts as a moderation-modifier that conveys the meaning of the missing moderation category.

So yes, fuck you BadAnalogyGuy.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[fbjon]

You're all nuts anyway...

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Pikiwedia.net]

Sweden has an strong tradition of government transparency and a lot of document is publicly availible. Anyone can request any government document which is not explicitly classfied as secret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_legislation#Sweden

In Sweden, the Freedom of the Press Act of 1766 granted public access to government documents. It thus became an integral part of the Swedish Constitution, and the first ever piece of freedom of information legislation in the modern sense. In Swedish this is known as Offentlighetsprincipen (The Principle of Public Access),[32] and has been valid since.

The Principle of Public Access means that the general public are to be guaranteed an unimpeded view of activities pursued by the government and local authorities; all documents handled by the authorities are public unless legislation explicitly and specifically states otherwise, and even then each request for potentially sensitive information must be handled individually, and a refusal is subject to appeal. Further, the constitution grants the Right to Inform, meaning that even some (most) types of secret information may be passed on to the press or other media without risk of criminal charges. Instead, investigation of the informer's identity is a criminal offense.

However, compared to the US, sweden has a weaker freedom of press.

Sweden prohibits hate speech, hets mot folkgrupp, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith or sexual orientation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Sweden I would not say that the swedish legal system is better than the american. Sure, we don't have the problem with excessive damages but on the other hand, individuals are powerless agains big corporations and the government.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[itschy]

To be even more beside the point:
The german "Fenster" is derived from latin "fenestra".
Someone pick up from here. :)

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[rpillala]

If by few short years you mean during the American Civil War, then yes.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Petrushka]

> English is also not derived from Latin (although it does borrow a large amount of words from Latin.)

It borrows to within less than 1% as many words from Latin as from the biggest influence, so where it's derived from is something of a moot point for the purpose of this argument!

Latin/Romance-derived words in your post (including the quotation, since including it actually works in favour of your claim):
derived, Latin, large, amount, Latin, per cent, Latin, influence, derived, point, purpose, argument.
Total count: 11.

Germanic words in your post:
English, is, also, not, from, although, it, does, borrow, a, of, words, from, it, borrows, to, within, less, than, one, as, many, words, from, as, from, the, biggest, so, where, it, is, from, is, something, of, a, moot, for, the, of, this.
Total count: 42.

I hope that clarifies the slip in your reasoning.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[reachinmark]

In the case of comparing Sweden to the US, I think this is fair, at least as far as comments about watching the watchers goes.

The Swedish constitution (also seen as a basic civil right here e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenon_Panoussis ) requires that all government paperwork be publicly accessible (and this includes e-mails, etc) - all you have to do is ask for it. Of course, that presumes that you *know* about it - but a heck of a lot better than in most other countries. This is how the IPRED watching site can exist - any activity carried out under the IPRED law must be reported and thus becomes immediately publicly available.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Dishevel]

In Soviet Slashdot the joke takes you.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[blackest_k]

I am not a linguist however it doesn't seem to be an unreasonable hypothesis, one of the problems in translation is finding reasonably equivalent phrases between languages.

Within any individual language there are specialized vocabularies that people outside the profession have very little grasp of, the language of stockbrokers or software engineers or marketing for example.

I believe thats referred to the domain of discourse. Within different languages there are subtle differences between what we would think of as universal concepts. For example the word you in Japanese has maybe 7 roughly equivalent words, the difference is directly related to the relative positions of the two speakers in relation to each other and society. In Polish for example there is a similar difference where there are formal and familiar forms of discourse. If your being respectful then you use the third party form of verbs. As nonnative speakers we are liable to trample all over that difference and may be considered rude or ignorant.

I believe 0 was late to arrive in mathematics but it made a considerable impact on thinking about numbers. Of course there is a tendency of languages to assimilate words from other languages sometimes with a direct relation such as the word bungalow which comes from india or a different meaning such as 'handy' which I believe the Germans use for 'Cell phone' or 'Mobile'. I've not even touched on English idiom which can really baffle non native speakers yet can be extremely vivid concepts for native speakers.

The problem with the hypothesis is that if I were fluent enough to recognize a conceptual difference in one language and were able to convey that concept to you in English or another language then that concept is no longer constrained by its original language.

However the essential idea that language is a framework in which we express our idea's is quite reasonable, the idea that frameworks differ between languages and individuals also seems reasonable, however these frameworks are not fixed and can be expanded on. So given two differing frameworks it is likely that a difference in the concepts as expressed in two different languages may lead to different approaches which may yield different results. Chances are that if it's important enough the language frameworks will be modified to share the concept. Obviously change is ongoing so differences will become more subtle, but it's obvious that if you talked about working with computers for example to someone from the 1900's the concept computer used to be a man who worked with mathematics and windows were glass panels set into walls. I've no doubt you could teach the modern day concepts to someone from the 1900's but then your modifying his frame of reference.

As a final thought I'm reminded of a scifi story where a stricken spacecraft needed instruction from earth to be able to avoid disaster but the delay in sending a communication and receiving the answer meant there wouldnt be enough time to avoid disaster, the problem was solved by the presidents wife who told them to speak at the same time in her field of expertise gossiping nothing would get done if they waited for one party to relay one story before they related their own.

       

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Dextrously]

Well, personally I'd mod this whole thread funny. However, the AC has a point. Your post appears to belittle an entire group of people. Whether or not that was your intended goal doesn't really matter. I shouldn't be surprised if you get a "fuck you" here and there for it though.

By saying that Swedish doesn't have a concept of Habeus Corpus--the liberty to not be detained unlawfully--is insulting, I would think.

The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis doesn't mean you can't think outside of your language, but the translation may be rough. For example, if someone literally translated Habeus Corpus to english without understanding its meaning, you get "You have the body". "Of course I have my body! Are you on crack?", someone who understands both languages and cultures would translate the concept, and not just the words.

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Threni]

I can never listen to Petrushka without it reminding me of the Spitting Image "Chicken Song" from the mid-80's... "Stick a deckchair up your nose".

Perhaps you have to be British, of a certain age, and a fan of Stravinsky to get that, though...

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[Anonymous Coward]

English and Swedish have a lot in common. If you're good at Swedish and have been exposed to some different Swedish dialects, you understand British English pretty well, even if you never learned it (but it's really hard to find an adult Swede with normal brain capacity that haven't learned English in school). I don't know if the opposite is true. If your good at Swedish you also understand many dialects of German (dialects in Uplandia sounds a lot like Low German and Stockholm had more German speaking inhabitants then Swedish ones during periods of the Middle Ages) and of course all of the Scandinavian languages. Swedish have also had a lot of influence from modern French (18th and 19th century) and Latin (both Vulgar and Book Latin: B.C. until late 19th century, we traded with that part of the world even before the Roman empire).

After the Normands invaded Britain, Swedish vikings where actually able to get by speaking their native tongue on the British Islands (they usually hitched a ride with ships from Norway to that part of the world). As Normands where vikings that had settled in French and spoke a language with strong influence by Old French but with a Old Norse base, English has more loan words from Old Norse (the "grandfather" of Swedish) than it has from Latin, although sometimes it's hard to tell which ones was borrowed from Old Norse and which ones originates in older Germanic dialects (or French ;-). Some of these English loan word from Old Norse (at least from what I learned in Swedish schoolbooks when I was a kid) are: father, mother, stone, house, I, me, you. As you can see they are part of the English base language. In Swedish they are: fader, moder, sten, hus, jag (from ek or ik), mig/mej (alternate spelling), du (from thu).

Of course, English have abandoned more grammar from it's Old Norse and Germanic roots then Swedish (we replaced and complemented some of our Old Norse grammar with some from Low German, Latin and French, but we didn't dumb down things as much as in English). English use only a small fraction of the Swedish phonemes (we have even more then Old Norse is likely to have had). And most English dialects are very monotonous in comparison with Swedish, even the most lively English/American dialects are just as monotonous as our most dull dialects (and why do most English/American dialects have to sound so aggressive). If you see The Muppet Show, the Swedish Chef singing in early episodes are actually a rather good imitation of how people from Rättvik sound when they talk (not singing), in later shows he's just an imitation of himself. But English/US people usually only have experienced the rather dull dialects around our Swedish capital. Those dialects are also prevalent in Swedish television and radio (even persons that normally speak other dialects usually adapt somewhat when in TV/radio, to be understood by people in that part of Sweden, which are not used to be exposed to other dialects/languages as much as people in other parts of Sweden (they traded mostly with the Swedish colonies in Finland, Lapland and Balticum, all of which they forced to use Swedish, and Germany).

Re:Swedish does not derive from Latin

[carpe_noctem]

I am a native English speaker and I did not hear of habeas corpus until recently.

Dubya, is that you?

127.0.0.1

[Anonymous Coward]

"127.0.0.1 has not been reported as beeing investigated."

How long until the government finds a loophole allowing them to investigate 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1, or maybe even one of the 224.0.0.0/4 addresses? They could simultaneously investigate everyone with a single incriminating IP address!

Reminds me of this quote: http://www.bash.org/?742386

Re:127.0.0.1

[fractoid]

The police can raid your 127.0.0.1 without warning under German laws anyway, maybe the Swedish police will just download a copy of the German law?.

Re:127.0.0.1

[HonIsCool]

The whole thing about this Swedish IPRED debacle is that it's not the police nor the government that are doing the investigations or raidings. It's private interests such as representatives or the record or movie industry. In some capacity, these groups have now been given more authority than the police, because awhile ago it was ruled that the police were not allowed to force ISPs to release subscription data on IP-addresses suspected of being used to break copyright law, because copyright-violation was not a serious enough crime to warrant it.

But now private groups can petition the ISPs (through the courts) for the identity of subscribers behind IP-addresses claimed to be used for "illegal filesharing"...

Welcome to the future :(

Re:127.0.0.1

[san]

So in effect the situation in Sweden is now like in the US, then?
The people sued by the RIAA must have had their identities revealed to the RIAA by the ISP, right?

Re:127.0.0.1

[HonIsCool]

Not exactly. I think that in the USA, the police can also get the information from the ISPs, no?

Re:127.0.0.1

[RiotingPacifist]

copyright-violation, not considered as serious as physical crimes?! now that's a legal system i could get behind!

Re:127.0.0.1

[laederkeps]

Don't worry, this is going away in Sweden too.

Whacky police state theory begins here

Now that we allow the record companies and their kin to run their own prvate police force, it's only a matter of time before the lawmakers realize how f*cked up that really is.
The answer, of course, is to give that power to the actual police in stead.

How do you do that?
That's something I theorized a few years ago; They will raise the upper limit of punishment for copyright infringement to levels which allow the police to engage in, for example, wiretapping (I believe that limit is reasonable suspicion of crimes warranting 4 years in prison at the moment).
Hey, presto! Since just about everyone in the country can be accused of copyright infringement, they now have a listen-to-your-communications-free card for ~9M people.

Re:127.0.0.1

[Anonymous Coward]

Your IP address (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) has not been reported as under investigation.

It is now.

Re:127.0.0.1

[commodore64_love]

The computer you are accessing the internet from has not been reported as beeing investigated.

Yay!

Your response to the CAPTCHA was not correct. (times five tries)

Damn.

Re:127.0.0.1

[houghi]

I don't care about the 127.0.0.1. It will be a problem when they want to investigate hackme.houghi.org

Re:127.0.0.1

[Anonymous Coward]

The RIAA files a claim, that an IP did something unlawful, and want the court to subpoena the ISP to reveal the subscriber behind the IP.

The thing is, anyone can use a computer, not just the one subscribed. And the RIAA never got authorization from a judge to collect evidence, so it's very doubtful, what their "IP addresses" worth.

Plus the RIAA does this in the civil courts, because violationg copyright is a civil issue.

But they just threaten the revealed subscriber with a never ending money-sucking-vortex, also known as a trial.

So most people choose to settle, and pay their disgusting extortion fee.

Legislating towards IPv6

[jrumney]

One good thing that might come out of all these witchhunt laws that the media industry mafiaa is purchasing, is that to be enforcable, everyone needs to be using static IP addresses. Roll on exhaustion of IPv4 address space and the rollout at last of IPv6 to the consumer (without tunnelling).

Re:Legislating towards IPv6

[Anonymous Coward]

They dont need static addresses, they need laws that require ISPs to store accurate information on whos who.

Re:Legislating towards IPv6

[Zarhan]

IPv6 has a nice little RFC going for it - Cryptographically generated addresses (CGA), defined in RFC 3972. Consider the possibility where every TCP/UDP session, or even every packet, comes from a different address...

Re:Legislating towards IPv6

[ingvar]

I believe you're not ENTIRELY correct there, as there's both an IP address and a specific time tied to a request (or, at least, could be).

Re:Legislating towards IPv6

[Anonymous Coward]

Every packet comes from a different address, all of which are on your home network. I don't think that would get you very far.

Re:Legislating towards IPv6

[catxk]

Incorrect. The IPRED law forces ISPs to hand out information connected to a certain IP address at a certain time. This is possible as ISPs log customer's assigned IP addresses together with time stamps. They do this as to be able to handle complaints, but it will be law to do it on behalf of law enforcement in the near future.

Re:Legislating towards IPv6

[mdmkolbe]

RFC 3972 seems targeted at authentication, not anonymity. For that you would want something more like RFC 3041. But even then that is only for interface anonymity, there is no network/typology anonymity (i.e. they can still track down the network).

Parallel with e-cigarette case

[Gizzmonic]

You know what's weird? Electronic cigarettes. Their legal status is uncertain in Sweden. I think if they work out the details of this IP agreement, it might help clear up the patent status of the e-cigarette, which was invented in Hong Kong (although it's now illegal there). Yep, e-cigarettes. I don't understand the name. Can your cigarette surf the web? Can you print out nicotine using your inkjet printer? I didn't think so.

Re:Parallel with e-cigarette case

[fractoid]

That's not tobacco you're smoking. O.o

Re:Parallel with e-cigarette case

[exley]

Yep, e-cigarettes. I don't understand the name. Can your cigarette surf the web? Can you print out nicotine using your inkjet printer? I didn't think so.

What you're looking for is the iCigarette -- it lets you do all the stuff you mentioned. Just like anyone else, really, but never has lung cancer looked so trendy.

Re:Parallel with e-cigarette case

[gandhi_2]

No no. That's Cigarette 2.0. It runs on jSmoke. Although the Tobacco in Tubes implementation looks promising.

Re:Parallel with e-cigarette case

[exley]

Very nicely done. Not only was your reply clever, but it's the first post in a long, long time around here to be funny while employing the word "tubes." :)

Re:Parallel with e-cigarette case

[commodore64_love]

It appears smoking an e-cigarette is still bad for your health. The inhalant still irritates your lungs and thereby spawns cancer cells, but also the nicotine constricts the arteries making blood pressure rise and your heart work harder.

Non static ip

[AHuxley]

Someone could write a script that logs your given ip's for a week and then sends the list to the site.
If it gets a hit, some desktop 'widget', 'gadget' or 'applet' could change from green to red?
Time to melt you storage media of choice and slide in factory fresh storage.

Re:Non static ip

[gandhi_2]

with the use of a PCI, USB, or PC/PCMCIA card and a driver, a daemon could also trigger something like the ANM-14 thermite grenade. the subsequent (and warning-less) fire would destroy all evidence, as well as your eyesight. a blind guy getting sued for movie piracy? ha!

Come on everybody,

[palegray.net]

it's the proxy dance!

You can share if you want to
You can leave those Swedes behind
Cause your cops don't share
And if they don't share
Then they're no friends of mine.

Re:Come on everybody,

[Anzya]

I wish I had modpoints today :D

Re:Come on everybody,

[Mathiasdm]

It's the Anonymous network dance!

You can share if you want to
You can slow down to a crawl
But at least you will be safe
Sixty-five kay in a cave
But detection chance is small!

http://torproject.org/
http://www.i2p2.de/
http://gnunet.org/
http://freenetproject.org/

Re:Come on everybody,

[jamesh]

That dance wasn't as proxy as everyone thought it was.

Re:Come on everybody,

[Per Wigren]

Yeah, using a proxy is a great way to avoid those blue-dressed Men With Hats.

who

[Anonymous Coward]

watches the watchmen indeed.

Potential for wonderful mischief?

[greensasquatch]

1. Write script to repeatedly access IPED site to see if current IP is under investigation. 2. Have script try to access ilovekidgoatsex.com 3. Place script on buddy's computer. 4. Sit back and wait for IPRED to investigate buddy. 5. Hilarity DNRTFA

Re:Potential for wonderful mischief?

[AHuxley]

Or fortune 500 with flaky wi fi

Re:Potential for wonderful mischief?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why the current IP?
Why not continuously check for one of THEIR IPs too?
That'll freak them out for sure.

i'm swedish

[xkcd150]

i don't understand what all the fuss is about.

i stopped the downloading hubbub a long time ago, these days i just tunnel through a vpn to the us and watch things directly from streaming services like hulu.

Re:i'm swedish

[bigmouth_strikes]

And when they make it illegal to use VPNs and start enforcing it ?

The fuss is about that you shouldn't have to use proxies in order not to be monitored by a corporation playing cops.

Re:i'm swedish

[xkcd150]

yes, it sucks that they're being idiots. that's why it's good that we've got people to vote for to fight the good fight, the pirate party.

that lets people like me nvm all the fuss, and keep playing cowboys and indians.

What you don't know...

[Anonymous Coward]

The site is hosted by the music industry and they will start an investigation against everyone who checks his IP.

Doesn't work that way

[bigmouth_strikes]

There are no scripts involved in this. As much as it may disturb basement-dwellers, exercising your Swedish freedom of information involves showing up at the specific public office/gov't branch/etc yourself.

You have to show up at the court in person and ask to see any documents pertaining to specific IP-addresses. The court is not obliged to prepare lists or in any other way format the data; they will just hand out the entire court document itself for you to sift through. The work is also expected to be "reasonable", which is why you just can't show up with 1000 ip-addresses every day.

The general idea behind the Swedish freedom of information is that you know what you're looking for, not that you're scanning everything in order to find something interesting. This of course makes it hard to apply in cases like IPRED where you may not be informed that you are under investigation until after a whole month.

Re:This is fantastic news

[Anonymous Coward]

Reasoned Mind, is that you?

Interest to prevent or prove crime

[Anonymous Coward]

There are however exceptions to which government documents are publicly available in Sweden. They can be secret if they concern:

* Threat to the safety of Sweden, in regard to other state.
* Central financial and monetary politics.
* Authorities own internal inspections and control.
* The interest to prevent or prove crime.
* Economic intrest of the public.
* Protection of personal or economic states for individual citizens.
* The interest to preserve species of animals and plats.

The highlighted bulled might be troublesome for the website in question. Perhaps the lists of requested IP-numbers can be labeled as secret?

Source (swedish)