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Ford Bets On Social Media For Fiesta

Ford is gambling on the power of social media for the new marketing campaign surrounding the Ford Fiesta subcompact. The auto giant handed over 100 new Fiestas to "agents" selected from 4,000 applicants and created YouTube, Flickr, Facebook, and Twitter accounts for them to relay their experiences. "Ford is taking a hands-off approach and telling participants not to hold back their opinions, bolstering the campaign's credibility. 'We've told them to be completely honest — that's the only way it's going to work,' Monty told us. 'We won't tell them what to say, nor will we censor or edit any of their content.' So far, it's working in Ford's favor. The tweets on the FordFiesta Twitter page are generally favorable, if a bit dry, as are the posts over at The Fiesta Movement Facebook page. None of the 80 pictures on the Fiesta Movement Flickr page show broken down cars. There are a few hundred videos on the FiestaMovement YouTube account if anyone's got a few hours to kill."

186 comments

  1. The special hundred by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    handed over 100 new Fiestas to "agents"

    Perhaps 100 which received special care and attention, manufactured to higher tolerances than those of the actual production run.

    The marketing may be honest, but that dosen't mean that there isn't B.S. there.

    1. Re:The special hundred by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if there are real reasons to be sceptical, such as those as you suggest, then it'll all come out in the wash.

      To me though, it just seems like one of those rare instances of a large company respecting its customer base and bravely embracing the internet - good things IMHO.

      Getting large companies to get in touch with its customers like this can be really tough.. but when you think about it, and all the wasted natural resources from making crappy products.. initiatives like this should be encouraged.

    2. Re:The special hundred by Skyshadow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure these are well optioned-out and checked over before they're sent out, but modern cars almost never run into issues in the first few thousand miles anyhow -- if you want to talk build quality, you need to put 20 or 30k on the odometer.

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    3. Re:The special hundred by ak3ldama · · Score: 5, Informative

      The marketing may be honest, but that dosen't mean that there isn't B.S. there.

      This should actually be pretty legit, I wouldn't guess that ford would hold the hands on these as they go through manufacturing. As a matter of fact Ford doesn't really have to do much of anything. The Fiesta should speak for itself and is widely regarded as being a good product. Here is a link for reference (I do not work for autoblog.com) This new Fiesta should even (hopefully) arrive on American shores. For once us Americans should have a competitive product compared to our European "friends." As a side note: it is nice to see a car that stays about the same size. It is lighter and stronger than the current Ford Fiesta, with similar dimensions.

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    4. Re:The special hundred by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if there are real reasons to be sceptical, such as those as you suggest, then it'll all come out in the wash.

      Assuming it can be summed up in 140 words. And also that anyone will care in the first place.

    5. Re:The special hundred by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "It stinks!"
      "It's great!"

      Yeah, I don't think 140 characters is an issue.
      Plus they also have youtube and facebook; which I believe allow for more then 140 characters.

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    6. Re:The special hundred by scottmonty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The actual production run doesn't even exist yet - these are vehicles that were brought over from Europe so the agents can test them and give us feedback. It wouldn't serve us to do something different to these cars if we're looking for ways to optimize the American version with their input, would it? The U.S. version of the Fiesta will be in production in Q2 of 2010. Scott Monty | Global Digital Communications | Ford Motor Company |@ScottMonty on Twitter

    7. Re:The special hundred by jebrew · · Score: 1

      More than that, who's going to snub a free car? I might gripe that I didn't get the 65MPG Diesel version they have, but still...free car is free car.

    8. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever actually ridden in a Fiesta?

      I had an old 1980's model that looked like you mixed green Kool-Aid(OH YEAH!!) and milk together.

      I got pulled over several times for no insurance and no tags...the cops basically let me go because they felt sorry for me having to drive it. I paid a fine and such but with no tags they'd have towed it normally....

    9. Re:The special hundred by Lord+Ender · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Well +1 to their marketing department for proper use of the web, but -1 for naming the car "Fiesta." You know what the word "fiesta" brings to mind? Pinatas, bursting into little pieces all over the ground.

      (aside: hey slashdot! how about some unicode support already!? all the browsers support it these days, but your app choked on my n-with-squiggly. fix that!)

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    10. Re:The special hundred by Dreadneck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if there are real reasons to be sceptical, such as those as you suggest, then it'll all come out in the wash.

      Of course there are real reasons to be skeptical. If they wanted to get honest opinion they would have asked 100 people who *purchased* a Fiesta to blog/twitter/youtube about their experience with the vehicle.

      People are a lot more likely to give you their honest opinion about a car that they're paying for than one that was given to them as part of a promotion.

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    11. Re:The special hundred by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, their biggest mistake was getting 100 people and "creating" those social media pages for them.

      They should have just selected 100 people that already had popular social networks accounts.

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    12. Re:The special hundred by fictionpuss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course there are real reasons to be skeptical. If they wanted to get honest opinion they would have asked 100 people who *purchased* a Fiesta to blog/twitter/youtube about their experience with the vehicle.

      From the article: "Ford wants to generate buzz for the Fiesta, which will bring Europe's "small cars can be cool" ethos to America when it arrives next year."

      It's illogical to expect a corporation not to act in its own best interests. What is interesting about this promotion however, is a corporation realising that in this age of communication, sometimes its best interests are served by not treating its customer base like idiots. It's not like the whole "free car for 6 months" part is a secret - would you not take that into account while reading a review from such a person?

      Why are we so quick to indulge in righteous outrage?

    13. Re:The special hundred by camperdave · · Score: 1

      That's 140 characters, not words. Besides, there's always tinyurl.

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    14. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You associate fiesta with pinatas?
      You must be 8 or 80.. or a catholic priest.

    15. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah, bro. They should have given one to tucker max. He's the real thing and he's revolutionizing hollywood.

    16. Re:The special hundred by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      Well, they're built by Germans, so they all receive extra care and attention. These are German-spec'd vehicles; I don't even know if any type of federalization was done to them; I have to imagine that there's some done, anyway.

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    17. Re:The special hundred by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      I drove a 79 Ford Fiesta for a few years in the late from 87-91 or so. It died eventually, but was a great little car that got very decent mileage (32-33 city) and was very "zippy". It had about 180,000 miles on it when it started to act very strange on the highway (slow down over a few miles, and then stop. After resting for a few minutes it would start again). Ford did not ask for bailout money, and though they have made some awful cars (my Explorer sucks, mostly I think due to the terrible-ness of the 5.0 V-8) they are the only american car maker that I even will consider when looking to buy again. I hope the new fiesta is a choice for me when here in the states. BTW I'm 6'-5" and fit comfortably enough to be able to drive it for 5 or 6 hours without a break.

    18. Re:The special hundred by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      As a side note: it is nice to see a car that stays about the same size. It is lighter and stronger than the current Ford Fiesta, with similar dimensions.

      Yup. I've often marveled at the marketing savvy of the car companies. Each model just gets bigger every year, and eventually a new 'supermini' has to be reintroduced at the bottom of the range.

      I remember when a Ford Escort was about the size of a modern Fiesta, and an old Cortina was about the size of a modern Escort, and the Sierra and later the Mondeo were comparable in size to the older generation Granada.

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    19. Re:The special hundred by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      They don't need to be specially prepared - these cars are built by Ford in Europe.

      There has never been any problem with the design or build quality of recent cars from Ford of Europe; witness the huge success of the Ford Mondeo, which is generally considered on a par with the BMW 3 series. Ford's problem is their American production lines, and with their insistence on "Americanizing" their brilliant Ero designs before selling them in the USA.

    20. Re:The special hundred by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course this was back in the 80s when miles were much shorter than they are now.

      Surely those 32-33 MPG you were getting translate into like, 12-13 in today's miles.
      And this means the car died just after 70,000 miles.

      This is why we all need to switch to modern, fuel efficient vehicles which get around 30 miles per gallon and often last past 100,000 miles.

      Of course, hybrids are the greatest thing ever, and will beat even modern fuel efficient, gas-only vehicles. We're already seeing that the new Prius model will get around 40 MPG when you're carrying nothing but yourself, on a straight stretch at 35 MPH non stop. And this is for just $10k more than a regular car! And the average Prius will probably last for 300,000 miles without having problems outside of normal maintenance, like replacing the thousand dollar battery. 300k is 5 times longer than the average Prius owner will keep their cars on the road before recycling them into eco-cubes and buying the new model!

      Now that's progress!

    21. Re:The special hundred by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, car buyers in the EU and UK are far more demanding than in the US. The build quality of American cars is *atrocious*. The Cadillac STS is a great example of this - it was (when it was launched) a £40,000 car, but the inside looked like a Currys own-brand hifi, with acres of rattly plastic and naff rubbery padding on things. Coupled with a wheezy 4.6 litre engine that could only put out 325bhp and got through fuel like a burning oilwell, it really wasn't going to work in the UK.

      We don't want millions of cheap spangly toys in our cars here. We want the damn things to work.

    22. Re:The special hundred by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Well +1 to their marketing department for proper use of the web, but -1 for naming the car "Fiesta."

      Well, according to WP (uncited, salt, blah blah) Henry Ford II had something to do with the choice of the name "Fiesta". Which is pretty impressive for a guy who's been dead for over 20 years- way to go, zombie Henry Ford II! (He wanted to call it the "Ford Braaaainnnzzz", but marketing nixed that on the basis it meant something vaguely rude in Catalan).

      Hang on..... no. They've actually been using "Fiesta" for their smallish car range since 1976, 33 years ago.

      Half the current marketing team were likely learning how to add, filling their nappies or waiting to be conceived at that time.

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    23. Re:The special hundred by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know the Germans make good stuff.

      SHAMWOW!

    24. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the parts are of superior quality, they can't change the overall design. So there is still a lot of valuable information to be had from those reviews.
      How big is the trunk? How easy can you change the seating arrangement? Swap the floormats?

    25. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it brings to mind the previous product by Ford under the same name. Next thing you know, Pontiac may try to bring back the LeMans and Dodge will boast the all new Omni.

    26. Re:The special hundred by Computershack · · Score: 1

      Over in Europe, the Ford Fiesta can do 100,000 miles with nothing more than regular servicing.

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    27. Re:The special hundred by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      well, sorta-- MPG sticker ratings from the 1980s were pure bullshit. (Unless you went everywhere at a constant 42MPH.)

      Also reported mileage tended to be better because the cars were wheezebags and people actually drove 55MPH.

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    28. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps 100 which received special care and attention, manufactured to higher tolerances than those of the actual production run.

      The marketing may be honest, but that dosen't mean that there isn't B.S. there.

      Exactly... all 100 can ONLY be serviced at ONE dealership and supposedly all 100 are only going to be in the Ft Lauderdale area. Sawgrass in Sunrise FL. Any type of breakdown requires towing back to that dealership even if the vehicle is in Alaska. The VIN #s are not recognized either as they are 2011 vin #s so they are supposed to be recognized as Ford Focus 2010 models. heh.

    29. Re:The special hundred by sexconker · · Score: 1

      They're using the same bullshit now, and now AAA and KBB are publishing their own ratings (or did they drop that when gas prices went down?).

      The poster implied he gave the mileage he got - not the rated mileage.

      Nobody drove 55.
      Hell, there was a time before speed limits, you know, not too long ago, where people just did 100 across the country.

    30. Re:The special hundred by treeves · · Score: 1

      The Mercury Mystique (aka Ford Contour) I bought in 1996 had the same claim - 100,000 miles before the first tuneup. I sold it at about 90,000 having had to replace the water pump myself but no other work had been needed on it. I know the person I sold it to and know it's still going, but I don't know how many miles are on it now or if she's had to have any repairs, etc. I think not - i.e. that I would have heard if she had.

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    31. Re:The special hundred by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Respecting their customer base would mean selling cars that don't die after five years, that don't have a thousand little plastic pieces where there should be metal, that actually hit the advertised fuel efficiency numbers without driving like a goddamned latte-chugging grass-eating Prius owner.

      Social advertising does not magically compensate for an inferior product. Ford lost their direction a long time ago, and instead of fixing the obvious problems, they spend most of their time and money chasing rainbows.

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    32. Re:The special hundred by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Why are we so quick to indulge in righteous outrage?

      Because every other time a big corporation has tried this sort of "marketing experiment", it has been a laughable, humiliating, leisure-suit-wetting joke of a failure. Why should this time be any different ? It's the same idiots running the show, just a different venue.

      I don't know about you, but when I'm shopping for a vehicle, I don't check Twitter or Youtube. I look at customer complaint forums, and ask friends and coworkers about their experiences. I check trade-in and auction lots, to see if people are ditching a particular model sooner than normal. You don't want to hear about the people who love their cars, you want the ones who hate them, and you want to know why.

      On a related note, why should I take car buying advice from a bribed attention whore ? A normal person would have to be MADLY IN LOVE with their car, for them to blog about it on a regular basis. Where I'm from, we call those people wiggers, and their opinion is worth less than fuckall to me.

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    33. Re:The special hundred by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of vitriol. Is it backed with any actual data from the past decade? Especially the Fiesta, which scores quite favorably for reliability, efficiency, etc.

    34. Re:The special hundred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just in case you're actually serious, I'd like to point out that those modern cars that get the same gas mileage as your 80s dream machines are much, much safer and have much, much better emissions.

      So, yeah, buy 'em. Your bones and organs will thank you if you get in a collision, and the rest of us will thank you for pumping out a little less shit into the air we're breathing.

    35. Re:The special hundred by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      The original Fiestas were made in Spain.

    36. Re:The special hundred by david.given · · Score: 1

      Just in case you're actually serious, I'd like to point out that those modern cars that get the same gas mileage as your 80s dream machines are much, much safer and have much, much better emissions.

      My father's just bought a new car --- a diesel Nissan Note hatchback. He lives in Scotland and is two hours drive away from the nearest city; on his first trip there and back he got 76 mpg. He reckons that with care he should get above 80.

      (That's not quite as good as it sounds; UK gallons are bigger than US gallons. That's 63 miles per US gallon.)

      Our diesel prices are currently 4.68 pounds per UK gallon (5.74 dollars per US gallon), so he's getting about 6 pence per mile (9 cents). US diesel prices are around 2.30 dollars per US gallon (1.87 pounds per UK gallon). Our theoretical 35 miles per US gallon car engine therefore gets about 7 cents per mile (5 pence).

      In other words, even though our fuel prices are two and a half times yours, his car stills costs about the same to drive as yours do...

      (Assuming my arithmetic is correct, which it might not be. I'm horribly jet lagged and not tracking well.)

      Also, I've been a Ford Fiesta owner for years. They're decent small cars. The hatchback shape is very convenient, the parts are easy to come by, they're cheap to run, and they're decent to drive.

    37. Re:The special hundred by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      This is a real possibility and has a history going back as far as I remember. Since I'm older than dirt one of the more infamous incidents remembered was 1964 when Pontiac debuted the GTO (Gran Turismo Omiligato). Ferrari, who had a model by the same name, was furious and a car magazine did a back to back test between GTO's to fan the flames. A stock Pontiac had a 389 CI engine and the Indian's engineers substituted a 421 CI NASCAR engine in the test car. Of course the Pontiac won the test.

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  2. Pics by interkin3tic · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    http://www.myride.com/images/no-transform/myride/promotions/images/images/2009%20Ford%20Fiesta%20five-door-f3-4_400.jpg

    Ford fiesta? More like Ford Siesta.

    Oops, I think I just killed ford's careful marketing strategy.

    1. Re:Pics by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Well, the Germans call the car Ford Fiasco.

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    2. Re:Pics by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Germans would like it if it had an extra 3,000 unnecessary features and weighed twice as much.

    3. Re:Pics by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I doubt it, since the car is built in Cologne, Germany and sells very well. Germans used to prefer small cars, the SUV craze started only two or thee years ago.

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  3. Twitter... again? by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is Twitter suddenly such a big deal? Yesterday we hear that Oprah is starting to use Twitter, now Ford. But why?

    Is Twitter really some kind of revolution, or is everyone jumping on a random bandwagon because they're afraid they'll look behind the times if they don't?

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    1. Re:Twitter... again? by Sporkinum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I remember looking at twitter a few years ago and thinking it was fucking retarded. My opinion hasn't changed.

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    2. Re:Twitter... again? by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Companies bailing from the second life bandwagon have to go somewhere.

    3. Re:Twitter... again? by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Twitter is a big deal because people use it. Yeah it's that simple.

      Like many such things, it's a matter of network effects. There's nothing intrinsically amazing or even unique about Twitter. But some people started using it because it was fun, and it caught on. Now the pervasive reason to use it is to connect with all the people using it: either to follow people/trends you care about, or reach an audience you're interested in (whether that's "friends" or "the world" or "customers"...).

      You'll also notice that Ford is not merely using Twitter. They are using Twitter, Flickr, YouTube, Facebook, etc. From their point of view, Twitter is just another channel through which they can reach potential customers. Thus they just add it to the list of newspaper, phone, radio, TV, etc.

      "Jumping on the bandwagon" may seem uncool, but when one is trying to connect with others, it's quite logical to join in the most popular communication channels.

    4. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then this certainly won't boost your opinion real twitter usage. I think Ford having an advertising campaign on Twitter is about as informative as this guys device.

    5. Re:Twitter... again? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Best description of twitter I heard is that it is IRC with one channel and everyone is on mute by default.

      Not sure where I heard that Bash maybe?

    6. Re:Twitter... again? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I just started using twitter. I am well outside theitr standard age demographic.
      I find it to be very intriguing, and interesting. Especially twitter clouds.

      It is pretty much the fastest way to get info n events happening right now.

      I follow a few people that interest me, and only people who themselves post, not when they ahve someone doing it.

      My personal use is to help me maintain a diet diary, and post the occasional science tidbit.

      No, I won't whore my twitter account here.

      Really you should try it for a little while.
      I am surprised to find myself using it. I stayed away as long as I did becasue I generally don't feel the need for attention.

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    7. Re:Twitter... again? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Also used by millions of people generating a lot of interesting data. Mostly it's a gray noise of stupidity; when something happens it spikes and you can know about it seconds later.

      Like being plugged into what is happening almost everywhere right now.

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    8. Re:Twitter... again? by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The media hailed blogging more than they did anything else in past (internet related). Streaming video, radio, chat programs and the internet itself all combined didn't make as much of a media fuss as blogging.

      Now comes twitter. What do these two things have in common? Target Audience. They both target socially starved people addicted to attention. People that think they are so important that people CARE if they are drinking a coffee or taking a dump. And these same people are those attracted to the mass media industry or some sort of acting/singing scenario. All the famous people see the attraction, all the people writing news see the attraction.

      It wouldn't if 90% of the world was blindingly enraged by the idea of twitter. It would still be popular.

    9. Re:Twitter... again? by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the thing though; old media is OBSESSED with Twitter. But is anyone else?

      Maybe I'm just getting old, but I've never a single person who actually uses it.

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    10. Re:Twitter... again? by stevied · · Score: 1

      Because the shorter the message, the less intelligent thought has to go into it, I guess. Just another part of the continual dumbing-down of our culture.

      You know, I really never expected to be a grumpy old man at 30 .. *sigh*

    11. Re:Twitter... again? by scottmonty · · Score: 1

      FYI, Ford's been using Twitter for nearly a year. Scott Monty | Global Digital Communications | Ford Motor Company |@ScottMonty on Twitter

    12. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I've never a single person who actually uses it.

      You accidentally the verb.

    13. Re:Twitter... again? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Twitter allows you to easily stay informed about those people and groups which interest you. It also requires far less effort from both parties than blogging or following blogs requires. It's not interesting from a technology standpoint. It's an interesting and useful application of rather unremarkable technology.

      I'm an IT Security goon, and I find it useful for keeping tabs on the activities of a few notable security researchers. Many others use it for following the antics of celebrities or entertainers. If you're in a club or organization, it could be useful for staying informed.

      And if none of these apply to you, surely you can see why others find it useful.

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    14. Re:Twitter... again? by Unnngh! · · Score: 1

      My wife missed the end of Idol the other night, and she wanted to know what happened. I told her to just search twitter to find out, and sure enough, there were like 1700 results that came through in 30 seconds. First thing I've found it to be useful for, and it was a pretty lame use. Lots of people seem to enjoy it for some reason, I wish I knew why...

    15. Re:Twitter... again? by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's only so many mistakes one can into 140 characters.

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    16. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've not here long. People here that all the time.

    17. Re:Twitter... again? by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Insightful

      told her to just search twitter to find out

      I guess Google was down the other night huh? "Important" news like that would have instantly hit major news sites, blogs, what have you, that get crawled frequently. It would have probably been on Google news too.

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    18. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is Twitter suddenly such a big deal?

      Astroturfers are marketing it. They are trying to achieve and maintain critical mass. That is all.

    19. Re:Twitter... again? by SupplyMission · · Score: 1

      Because the shorter the message, the less intelligent thought has to go into it, I guess.

      I beg to differ.

      Given a topic to write about, what's easier:

      1. Writing an 8 page stream of consciousness rant of whatever pops into your head, or
      2. writing 1000 words of structured, focused and useful information?

      Now which takes more intelligence?

    20. Re:Twitter... again? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Its not. Its the media's attempt at grasping at straws for new leads on how to sell papers. You're reading about it more, but people arent actually using it more.

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    21. Re:Twitter... again? by colesw · · Score: 1

      3. take your 100 words and reduce it to 140 characters.

    22. Re:Twitter... again? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      I absolutely agree. You're not alone in this feeling. Penny Arcade said it best.

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    23. Re:Twitter... again? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "They both target socially starved people addicted to attention"

      Incorrect. I know you want to shove into some nice box you can poo-poo because you don't get it, but you are wrong...and probably getting stale in the brain.

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    24. Re:Twitter... again? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      never what a single person?

      Twitter is hugely popular.

      I use it becasue it has a great delivery of what is happening in the world now. You can not find a faster way to get information no what is happening right now.

      Plus the twitter clouds are interesting to follow.

      Since /. is a place a lot of people loose their minds, I must post:
      This is my opinion, YMMV.

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    25. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that!

    26. Re:Twitter... again? by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      I signed up for twitter so I could watch Wesley talk to Data. Data isn't on slashdot. Did you know he has white hair now? Very freaky. Looks better than that stupid stripe had. Made 'im look like a skunk, it did!

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    27. Re:Twitter... again? by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      You're not alone. I don't need to tell the world that I just farted. It's a waste of timer when you come right down to it.

    28. Re:Twitter... again? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It's a bandwagon. A bandwagon full of retrads and morans. It started out as a piece of shit, then some intern at some news station was caught using it when they were supposed to be trawling youtube for breaking news to mooch off of. The media jumped on it, "OMG!"ing themselves into a frenzy and they won't shut up until something dumber comes along. (Hint: It's still shit, and it'll be a while before something dumber comes along, I hope.)

      Hell, CNN had shit on their crawl (FUCK THE CRAWL!) all week about some twitter race between them (CNN) and Ashton Kutcher.

      Jesus fucking christ.

      Mainstream media
      Twitter
      Ashton Kutcher
      The fucking CRAWL

      If they had worked in a liberal mac fan (redundant, I know), I would've taken the first plane over there and throttled Wolf Blitzer LIVE in the SITUATION ROOM!.

    29. Re:Twitter... again? by NuclearError · · Score: 1

      That's dumbing up.

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    30. Re:Twitter... again? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I use it becasue it has a great delivery of what is happening in the world now. You can not find a faster way to get information no what is happening right now.

      So it's for people that, for some reason, think the 10-minute delay on mailing lists is too long to find out that McDonald's is having a sale on Big Macs next week?

    31. Re:Twitter... again? by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I what you mean. :)

      Your not getting old, this is an older than you media bumrush. This is voluntary spam. How can they lose?

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    32. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine. You "get" twitter. Now let us slow folks that have a real life figure it out the angle.

    33. Re:Twitter... again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like Second Life was a year ago: new-fangled Web 2.0 bullshit everyone will get over in a month.

    34. Re:Twitter... again? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      News is usually pretty slow, even on the Internet. They have to write a full article, get the pictures, decide where to put it on the site etc. etc. etc. whereas on Twitter anyone can just say what's happened, immediately.

  4. Clever by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We won't tell them what to say, nor will we censor or edit any of their content.

    But we gave them a free car so out of a 100 people majority are probably going to feel bad about writing something negative. It could backfire badly if the car turns out to be a pos, but if the car is at least half decent this seems like a nice marketing move.

    Btw, if Lamborghini ever decides to employ the same strategy let me be the first to volunteer

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    1. Re:Clever by synthmob · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Fiesta is a relabelled/reskinned Mazda2 -- that is successful in many other parts of the world. I doubt highly that it is a POS as you call it.

    2. Re:Clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think you got that backwards. the fiesta line of cars has been around a long time. i drove one built '90 and it was well established by then. mazda only started reskinning ford models when ford bought shares in mazda. (mazda3 is based on the ford focus for instance)

      and yeah - it's thought of as pretty ok car over here in ol' europe. but then again i heard the focus in the states is considered a pos - which it really isn't here in europe where they are produced in cologne.

    3. Re:Clever by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

      AC is right, please research the Fiesta. Good car.

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    4. Re:Clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't call it a POS. You need to learn to read more carefully.

    5. Re:Clever by ishmaelflood · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. The 'new' Fiesta is built on a Mazda 2 platform.

    6. Re:Clever by Molochi · · Score: 1

      "mazda only started reskinning ford models when ford bought shares in mazda."

      Hasn't Mazda been a part of Ford since the 1970s?

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    7. Re:Clever by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

      I read it has been available in Europe for a while (the new one) and it gets very good mileage and power for a car in it's class, one of the best. The diesel got 65mpg supposedly and a non-diesel got 45 or something.

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  5. I'd buy another one by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I owned a 1978 Fiesta. It was a blast to drive and got better gas mileage than most small cars today. The new ones look pretty sharp for a small car. Import 'em; I'll seriously consider buying one.

    Don't give a shit about Twitter, though.
    Or facebook, or myspace, or any other crap like that.

    1. Re:I'd buy another one by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Let's merge them all together. I suggest "TwitFaceSpace".

    2. Re:I'd buy another one by Anonymusing · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was thinking "MyTwitFace".

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    3. Re:I'd buy another one by Dreadneck · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was thinking "MyFaceYouTwit"

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    4. Re:I'd buy another one by MTTECHYBOY · · Score: 1

      DAMM - all those good domains are already taken!!!

    5. Re:I'd buy another one by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      How about "TwitOnMyFace"?

    6. Re:I'd buy another one by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      MySpatterFace

    7. Re:I'd buy another one by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ford will start North American sales of the new Fiesta from their upgraded factory outside Mexico City starting in January 2010. If it is a sales hit (and I expect it to fly out of dealers in no time flat), don't be surprised that by 2012 we'll see the Fiesta assembled in a USA assembly line too.

      The US version of the Fiesta will sport a neat new feature: the Powershift dual-clutch transmission with six forward speeds, which offer the convenience of an automatic with the fuel economy of a manual. And given Ricardo UK's work on cleaning up diesel engines, we could see the new Fiesta offered with the Duratorq turbodiesel engine, and that could mean the Fiesta gets Prius-like fuel economy!

    8. Re:I'd buy another one by jsiren · · Score: 1

      The US version of the Fiesta will sport a neat new feature: the Powershift dual-clutch transmission with six forward speeds, which offer the convenience of an automatic with the fuel economy of a manual. And given Ricardo UK's work on cleaning up diesel engines, we could see the new Fiesta offered with the Duratorq turbodiesel engine, and that could mean the Fiesta gets Prius-like fuel economy!

      Hmm. My ten-year-old diesel (1.8 l, about 110 cu.in Endura turbo engine, manual transmission) Focus gets a "Prius-like" fuel economy (better than 47 mpg or 5 l/100 km) without trying. Being smaller, and having a more modern engine and drivetrain, the new Fiesta should easily do better than that. Unless you insist on having a ridiculous amount of horsepower.

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    9. Re:I'd buy another one by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I'd agree, but your car's engine is definitely not going to meet modern emission standards!

      Here in the USA, diesel engines for automobiles have to meet the same emission standards are petrol-fueled automobiles; as such, up until very recently you couldn't sell a diesel-powered car in the USA, especially since the engine couldn't meet th emission standards for particulates and NOx. But now with urea gas injection in the exhaust stream and Ricardo UK's EGR system, the engine can meet US emission standards with no problems.

    10. Re:I'd buy another one by Oloryn · · Score: 1

      I owned a Fiesta back then, too, and loved it (I called it the 'Amazing Miniature Moving Van', because the lack of a lip on the hatch made it easy to load up the back with stuff. Drove it for 8 years. Traded it in for a Festiva, because Ford quit importing the Fiesta when they came out with the Escort. The Festiva was not near the car the Fiesta was. I've been wanting Ford to to start importing the Fiesta again ever since. If this is anything like the original, I've got my wish.

  6. Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by decipher_saint · · Score: 3, Funny

    So Ford won't entice the reviewers for a positive review in any way, other than by giving them a free car...

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    1. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by fictionpuss · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, and I'm guessing that when handing over the keys, Ford didn't kick them in the shins either.

      And the free car is only for six months - if Ford took it away early because of a bad review, can you imagine the terrible PR?

    2. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Why six months? I bet most new cars start to show problems after six months of use.

      Let's hope one of the testers will put his car through intensive use, enough for one or even two years worth.

    3. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PC LOAD LETTER

    4. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      Is the build quality so bad that you expect failures after 6 months? These are the German-built Fiestas which have won the UK and European "Car of the Year" for 2008; cars that come with a 3-year warranty. If there are any faults, they'll be found by 6 months, but if no faults are present, they won't be found until the car is old enough to be junked.

    5. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      So they are made to be junked when they become 3?

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    6. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by operagost · · Score: 1

      I wonder. A three year warranty is extremely short these days.

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    7. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by dominux · · Score: 1

      because their dealer network has pre-ordered 100 courtesy cars to be delivered in 6 months time I guess.

    8. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by Computershack · · Score: 1

      Judging by the number of 10 year olds kicking around plus the fact that I have personally known someone who actually made a bodywork warranty claim on a Focus that had a spot of rust appear on one door when it was 8 years old, I think Ford expect far more than 3 years.

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    9. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by Cobol+God · · Score: 1

      6 months because that is all the cars are allowed to be on the road in the USA before they are destroyed or shipped back overseas if they are imported and not DOT approved. "Proof of export or destruction must be submitted to this office not later than 30 days following the
      end of the period for which the vehicle has been approved to be admitted to the United States." http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/CARS/RULES/IMPORT/TempInfo.html

    10. Re:Non-biased "free gift" reviews eh? by jsiren · · Score: 1

      I have personally made a bodywork warranty claim on a Focus that had a spot of rust appear on the trunk door when it was 8 years old. They changed all of the doors while they were at it - which was nice, because I had backed into a railing in a tight spot and made a dent in the driver's side rear door...

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  7. This is hardly a new idea by Skyshadow · · Score: 1

    Giving your product out free to people you've identified as key opinion leaders is hardly a new idea -- heck, dollar-wise Ford's getting off pretty easy just giving out a few of these cars.

    With that said, I would like to take this opportunity to point out everyone reading this post, especially those in decision-making posts at large companies, that I am obviously an influential and important member of the community. I am respected because I have a low NUID and excellent karma, I'm occasionally funny and (most importantly) I am completely and utterly for sale -- exceed my embarrassingly low price and I'll pimp anything on the shmucks who read this site.

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    1. Re:This is hardly a new idea by Dreadneck · · Score: 1

      Give him a Hummer and he'll give you one.

      :D

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  8. Silly Ford execs by InlawBiker · · Score: 1

    Ford Exec: "We need a new campaign for the Fiesta. Something HIP. Something the KIDS will take notice of."

    Ad Guy #1: "My kids are always TWATTERING on their PHONES!"

    Ad Guy #2: "Yeah, and they're into MyFace!"

    Ford Exec: "You're onto something! Let's do it!"

    Ad Guy #1: "What if it doesn't work?"

    Ad Guy #2: "We'll rename it the iFiesta and hire Ashton Kutcher to shill for us."

    1. Re:Silly Ford execs by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Sure, hire the guy who was in a movie called "Dude, where's my car?"

  9. Risky move by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now, I have a lot more respect for Ford than for GM or Chrysler. They are not going bankrupt, and the new Fusion Hybrid looks to actually be a decent car. But if the marketing drones an GM or Chrysler can actually locate these blogger cars and sabotage them, then Ford is going to have a Public Relations nightmare on their hands.

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    1. Re:Risky move by Leafheart · · Score: 1

      But if the marketing drones an GM or Chrysler can actually locate these blogger cars and sabotage them, then Ford is going to have a Public Relations nightmare on their hands.

      Wait, you are saying that if their rivals business need to sabotage their cars that is a problem?

      New Ford Campaign: New Ford Fiesta, so good the competition had to sabotage it to make it fail.

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    2. Re:Risky move by sheath · · Score: 1

      OTOH, corporate-santioned illegal action on a massive scale (like, for instance, sabotaging 100 cars across the country) has a tendency to create even *more* negative publicity. :-)

      By the way, what were you thinking of? Severing brake lines? Loosening the lug nuts on the wheels? 'Cause slashed tires and potatoes in tailpipes wouldn't really work all that well to sway opinions. Of the cars, at least.

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    3. Re:Risky move by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was thinking more along the lines of how most motorists walk away from a collision with negative emotions, even if it isn't the fault of the car itself. Do you remember how your feelings for your bright, shiny new car changed the first time somebody slammed their door into it in a parking lot? Suddenly, it wasn't "bright", "shiny" or "new" anymore -- it was just "car".

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    4. Re:Risky move by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Really? Last time I checked, HP was doing quite well, even outselling Dell. Despite the recent corporate sanctioned hacking of reporter's computers and impersonating board members to gain access to their phone records. Oh wait, is that considered legal now?

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  10. The new Ford "Colbert" . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Funny

    . . . would have like totally eclipsed this campaign.

    Get the name right next time, Detroit!

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    1. Re:The new Ford "Colbert" . . . by rev_sanchez · · Score: 1

      The Ford Colbert: Great Car or Greatest Car.

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    2. Re:The new Ford "Colbert" . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ford colbert: Sounds funny, but doesnt really go anywhere.

      Yeah. Totally.

    3. Re:The new Ford "Colbert" . . . by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Foxie, but good.

      apologies to RW.

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  11. Copycat marketing by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 1

    Down here in New Zealand they're doing the marketing in a manner very similar to Robert Llewellyn's "Car Pool". @bobbyllew as you should know is Kryten from Red Dwarf.

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  12. What you see is sometimes not what you get by hwyhobo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem so far with bringing in European-American cars has been the annoying desire by American auto manufacturers to "Americanize" the cars by making changes that in the end make them much less attractive. Almost invariably the nice interiors get replaced with insultingly cheap plastic, small and efficient engines get replaced with boring, me-too offerings, and turbo-diesels are dropped from the lineup.

    I've been complementing Ford on their Fiesta ever since I drove it in Europe last year. Two people with considerable luggage, combined city and highway, we got 42 mpg (US) on the turbo diesel, even with my lead foot. I am 6'3", and I was quite comfortable (with an understanding that it is a small car, so no, this is not the Town Car-type of comfort). The interior was very pleasant. How much of it will make it to the US? I remain incredulous.

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    1. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by daveofnf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find this funny because I'm in the market to buy a new car and I hate all of the domestics (I live in Canada). The only one I kind of like is the Saturn Astra, but it seems pretty over priced for what you get. I wish we had the selection of small cars that Europe has. The prospect of a turbo diesel... oh man sign me up. The only way you could make that any more attractive is to make it all wheel drive.

    2. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by rev_sanchez · · Score: 1

      The main problem with the adoption of diesel cars in the US is the perception that they are loud, smelly, expensive to maintain, boring to drive, and unreliable.

      I'm not sure what we can do about most of those problems but there is good progress on the smelly front. The transition to much lower sulfur diesel came about a bit earlier in most of Europe than in the US but we've mostly caught up. This should be publicized a bit more because the experience most people have with diesel is choking on fumes behind an idling bus.

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    3. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by hwyhobo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The main problem with the adoption of diesel cars in the US is the perception that they are loud, smelly, expensive to maintain, boring to drive, and unreliable.

      Let's take it apart:

      loud

      They are slightly louder than gasoline engines, but the new ones are not really loud

      smelly

      Not any more. With Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel and current particulate control mechanisms you cannot tell a passenger diesel car from a gasoline one.

      expensive to maintain [...] unreliable

      Quite the opposite, actually. Diesel engines are build to last much longer than gasoline engines. You may be going back to the disastrous GM 5.7D attempt. That soured a lot of people, but that is long gone. Modern small diesels run forever compared to gasoline engines. Witness VW's 1.9.

      boring to drive

      Not necessarily. It all depends on what you like, horsepower or torque. I like driving diesels. Their forte is low end. Granted, it is an issue of personal preferences, so I will not argue that with you.

      It should be said that TDs gained ground in Europe in no small part due to the fact that diesel fuel gets preferential tax treatment, so in most countries (with a notable exception of the UK), diesel is cheaper than gas. In the US diesel is quite a bit more expensive that gas, so the fuel mileage gains stemming from higher energy density are partly lost.

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    4. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by hwyhobo · · Score: 1

      BTW, rev_sanchez, I should have added that that perception does exist, and that I essentially agree with you that it will not be easy to overcome.

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    5. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      oh man sign me up. The only way you could make that any more attractive is to make it all wheel drive.

      Audi A3 Quattro, Audi TT Quattro, VW Golf 4motion, Seat Leon 4, Skoda Felicia 4x4

      Yes, I now those are all Haldex systems and not permanent all wheel drive, but I have one of the cars mentioned above and it works perfectly fine on snow. Where SUVs give in, I pass...

      Now, not talking about modern cars, but when I was in Tuscany last year, the Panda 4x4 was still ubiquitous.

    6. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by fprintf · · Score: 1

      The last time Ford had to import cars from Europe to become competitive, back in 1978, they used the Fiesta at that time also. From 1978 - 1980 you could buy a made in Germany Fiesta, as my family did, and that was one of the only ways to get a fuel efficient vehicle from Ford. I drove the shit out of that car and learned a heck of a lot about front wheel drive handling. I looked longlingly across the pond at all the cool upgrades and performance parts available for it.

      As will likely happen, the car will become Americanized at some point after Ford-US/Canada/Mexico gets tooled up and we'll end up with a modern version of the Ford Escort. That Escort was never as good as the Fiesta, but it was one of Ford's best selling vehicles for many many years. I suspect that will happen again, where we will end up with a watered down, soft, lower mileage vehicle.

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    7. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is a great example of why the cars are "Americanized" when they are sold in North America. The North American market is very accustomed to the idea that small cars should be cheap, so you're inclined to think that the Astra is small for what you get. The funny part is that the Astra is a car that was developed for the European market.

      Cars made for the world market don't do well in North America because of the price for their size. Another example is the Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique. It cost as much as a Taurus but was much smaller, so it was very hard to sell in North America.

    8. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      Audi A3 Quattro, Audi TT Quattro, VW Golf 4motion, Seat Leon 4, Skoda Felicia 4x4

      Yes, I now those are all Haldex systems

      They're all essentially the same car (well, ish - same floorpan, variants of 2 engines between them).

    9. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by hwyhobo · · Score: 1

      turbo-diesels are dropped from the lineup

      Here is a perfect example of it. Turbo diesels are particularly useful where high torque is needed, like small vans or trucks or utility vehicles. It is a dream power plant for those applications. Yet, when Ford decides to bring the Transit Connect, they drop the 1.8l Duratorq Diesel engine and substitute it with a 2.0l gas engine. Here is a relevant quote on the subject from greencarcongress.com:

      Rather than the 1.8-liter Duratorq diesel engines featured in the Transit Connect in Europe, the version headed for North American offers a 2.0-liter, four-cylinder gasoline engine and automatic transmission. The North American version of the Transit Connect delivers fuel economy estimated at 19 mpg US city and 24 mpg US highway. The 66 kW (88 hp) version of the 1.8L Duratorq on the European cycle delivers 30 mpg US (7.9L/100km) city and 40.6 mpg US (5.8L/100km) highway.

      Here we go again.

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    10. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Fiesta is OK - I've driven three different models over the years, and they're generally decent cars. Not without their share of idiosyncracies, but overall, I like them.

      However, that being said... I find it rather funny that you talk about how "the nice interiors get replaced with insultingly cheap plastic". Now, maybe the plastic they use in the USA for cars is even more insultingly cheap than it is here (I'm German), and maybe other Fiesta models offer different, classier interiors, but all the models I drove *did* have plastic interiors. I never minded, mind you, but your statement still amused me. ;)

      Also, while I'll agree that the Fiesta is fine even if you're taller (I'm 6'7" myself and have no problems with it, although that's probably close to the limit already), I'll note that this only applies if you're in the driver's or passenger's seat. Sit in the rear, and you'll be quite a bit more confined - it's really a car for two, or perhaps two plus two children who don't need as much space as adults (yet).

    11. Re:What you see is sometimes not what you get by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Yes, and? It's not as if I didn't actually know that. There are also BMW X-series (Not X5, or X3... you can get a 320X for example), Subaru has a few. I just listed those I am familiar with.

  13. About time by greg1104 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It sure makes sense for Ford to give cars to those who will write positively about their brand, like prolific writer and Fiesta fan Jim Anchower. And it wouldn't hurt to have searches for Ford pictures to return something less tacky.

    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get it right - he drives the Ford Festiva. Which was a far better, and cheaper car, then the comparable model Fiesta.

    2. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jim Anchower drives a Festiva, not a Fiesta.

  14. Diesel Engine by immcintosh · · Score: 2

    I REALLY wish I could get the new diesel Fiesta here in the United States. From everything I've heard, it's just an excellent car with insanely good gas mileage (better than a Prius). Too bad America hates diesel...

    1. Re:Diesel Engine by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      America doesn't hate diesel -- we just have more stringent standards on diesel engines over here, if you'd believe it. That's why they're far more prevalent in Europe.

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    2. Re:Diesel Engine by leathered · · Score: 1

      It's more to do with the poorer quality, high-sulphur diesel fuel in America, though I believe that is changing.

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    3. Re:Diesel Engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you also have less stringent standards on your diesel fuels. that's why most european diesel engines don't fare well with your fuel and fail pollution tests. as far as i understand it's mainly too much sulphure and other stuff that make a really unpleasant pollution when burned. that's also why mercedes and others are doing loopy stuff like urea injection to pass your pollutions standards even with your less-then-ideal fuel.

    4. Re:Diesel Engine by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      It's really a chicken/egg problem as far as I'm aware. Diesel is much more heavily taxed because older diesel tech had its problems, but American diesel tech doesn't improve because diesel fuel is so heavily taxed that it wouldn't be popular.

      At least that's how I understand it.

    5. Re:Diesel Engine by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1
      America does not hate diesel.
      The problem is that the automakers believe that americans hate diesel.

      Personally I love diesel. I am working on putting a small diesel engine on my motorcycle.

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    6. Re:Diesel Engine by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Up until very recently, it was nearly impossible to get an automotive diesel engine to meet the very strict EPA/CARB emission standards, especially in regards to NOx emissions.

      But recent work by Ricardo UK with a special EGR/turbocharger installation showed they could make a turbodiesel engine meet even the ultra-stringent CARB SULEV standard--essentially the same as a hybrid car! That could pave the way for Ford to offer their Duratorq TDCi 1.6-liter engine in the new Fiesta in the US market, which could result in a car getting Prius-like fuel economy without the complication of a hybrid drivetrain.

    7. Re:Diesel Engine by Late+Adopter · · Score: 1

      America doesn't hate diesel -- we just have more stringent standards on diesel engines over here, if you'd believe it. That's why they're far more prevalent in Europe.

      You misspelled "California".

  15. As Beau Brummel might have said: by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

    I once drove a Ford Fiesta

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  16. Rad idea, Ford! by bradgoodman · · Score: 1
    So, it's all, like, dude... if some guy on the internet tweets all about the new Ford [Pinto], I'm all like, so there and all...

    Instead of trying to "relate to" and market to the "new demographic"- just focus on building a car that wont fall apart on the way off the lot.

    1. Re:Rad idea, Ford! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Ford cars have been excellent for years now. In the Auto business it take 5-7 years to change your reputation. Either for the good or for the bad.
      American cars really started building better cars, but there reputation is still clinging to them in the US. The makes some of the best cars sold in Europe, in this class.

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    2. Re:Rad idea, Ford! by dangitman · · Score: 1

      just focus on building a car that wont fall apart on the way off the lot.

      Y'know, I have a sneaking suspicion they might have already tackled that problem. But they still actually have to sell the things once they've built them.

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    3. Re:Rad idea, Ford! by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Ford may not suck as much as their reputation indicates. I pulled 300K miles out of an 89 Escort, at which point it developed a head gasket problem and started leaking coolant into the crankcase. Then I put a shitload of Bar's Stop Leak into it and it's still limping along for my cousin.

      And now I'm wishing I had held onto it, because the Nissan Sentra I had just threw a rod at about 200K miles...which is funny, because everyone keeps telling me Nissans are generally good for 300K.

  17. BMW/Mini on the other hand... by Thagg · · Score: 1

    Mini has made a bunch of electric Mini's, that they're trying to get into the hands of drivers. After going through a long and actually pretty funny questionnaire, I didn't hear anything from them for six months.

    Last week they called me to say the car was ready for me if I wanted it. Unfortunately, the terms were unchanged from the original offer -- they want $850/month for a one-year lease -- and there is no way to keep the car longer than that.

    I suppose they'll get some people to sign up for it -- and an electric Mini is a lot more exotic a car than a production European Fiesta, but still...$850/month (they suggest that it's probably more like $1K/month after various fees and such)

    Haven't seen one on the road yet.

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    1. Re:BMW/Mini on the other hand... by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      8 thousand dollars to drive a car for a year. Christ it's no wonder they're having to make an effort to get people to drive them.

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  18. editorial service by Eil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dear CmdrTaco,

    Since your current editors are apparently way too busy to Google for a couple of important links (some of which are even mentioned in the summary), I decided to help out.

    Here they are.

    Am I hired now?

    (Also, that is one butt-ugly car. I'll stick with my Mazda3, thank you.)

    1. Re:editorial service by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      So then you prefer the Mazda3 to the Mazda2?
      Because the fiesta is a rebadged Mazda2.

      It seems Ford's plan is to now build and sell Mazdas.

    2. Re:editorial service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Also, that is one butt-ugly car. I'll stick with my Mazda3, thank you."

      Are you joking? The mazda3 is one of the ugliest most rounded cars on the road. Its a damn HATCHBACK! for gods sakes.

      All asian cars are butt ugly. I remmeber when the crysler 300 came out. Till that time, I thought no one could make a decent looking car anymore. Now you have the charger and the challenger too. All of them NOT looking like cars from demolition man, or star trek.

      id rather drive a 1998 lumina sedan than a mazda 3. at least the lumina still looks like a car and not an escape capsule from a space ship.

  19. G.M. and Chrysler: R.I.P : +1, Helpful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    G.M. has a convertible note payment due on June 1, 2009 upon which it will default unless the note holders take a 100 percent equity position in lieu of payment: G.M. will opt for Chapter 11 to kill their pension obligations. This will destroy the organized labor movement in North America.

    Chrysler is alleged to be working a deal for a joint venture with Fiat. Fiat is smarter than Chrysler. Why pay more for the joint venture than what they can scavenge from a Chapter 7 cents on the dollar purchase of Chrysler assets? Chrysler will go into Chapter 7.

    I hope this helps your hedge fund positions.

    Yours In Socialism,
    Kilgore Trout

  20. BBC's Top Gear by viridari · · Score: 1
    1. Re:BBC's Top Gear by gregski · · Score: 1

      pish, the real test is how well the car performs in a typical beach assault scenario!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vauvmLPOoHo

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  21. Stupid idea, just like Mojave by bradgoodman · · Score: 0
    This is a stupid idea, just like Microsoft's "Mojave" experement, and I will tell you why (in both cases:)

    It's one thing to test drive a car - maybe it handles great, smells great, is comfortable, has some new whiz-bang electronics gizmos, great gas mileage etc. This is like test driving an OS - seeing some flashy eye-candy, it being fast and responsive, etc.

    But that's not why people don't buy Fords, or hate Vista.

    When you go through a water pump ever 32,000 miles, and a transmission every 60,000 miles - and your car looks like a pile of rust after 90,000 people remember that. That's why they won't buy a Ford.

    Just like when you install Vista, and half of your hardware no longer works, and other problems and incompatibilities arise in real-world every-day use, that's why people hate Vista.

    So to base anything on this kind of "first-glance" review, isn't going to pull Ford, (any other US auto makers, or Microsoft) out out of the crapper.

    Until they start thinking and working long term, that won't change. And no, it can't happen overnight. It took the Japanese brands years to overcome their image as these flimsy little cars.

    1. Re:Stupid idea, just like Mojave by CompMD · · Score: 5, Interesting

      News Flash: The Fiesta never went out of production in Europe, and has been constantly refined for the last three decades. In its current version, it is safer than a Volvo (thanks to Volvo technology), can come with a Mazda designed Diesel engine, and can storm a beach with the British Royal Navy. Seriously, watch the Top Gear review of the Fiesta; Ford could not buy a better review.

  22. They Must be Desperate by segedunum · · Score: 1

    Goodness me. What with GM trying to belatedly throw a billion dollars into an electric car that is years and billions behind what Toyota, Honda and others have been doing (petrol electric? Please........) and Ford trying to turn a car into some social network phenomenon the big US car companies must be getting desperate. Maybe if they'd started having these ideas and doing this research years (well, decades) ago then they might have had a chance, but they don't. They've relied on selling crap to their home market for too long.

  23. Scott Monty: The new face of Ford? by rinkjustice · · Score: 1
    It would seem the credit crisis and subsequent economic downturn have stripped the last vestiges of hype and glitz from Ford's image. They're now engaging brand fans and prospective buyers in a very dressed-down, straight forward way (headed by the likable companyman Scott Monty). Social media is a perfect way to do it, and they've got the demeanor down-pat.

    Will it result in more sales? Probably. The more consumer touchpoints you have, the more opportunities you'll have to listen to the customer and pitch to them.

  24. For those who don't know... by gillbates · · Score: 1

    This Fiesta is not the first Ford to carry that name. Back in the late seventies, early eighties, Ford also produced a car called the Fiesta. My mother bought one. It was a piece of junk which made even the escort look luxurious. From starting on fire (because the battery cable was draped *across* the battery, allowing it to short the terminals together when the insulation failed...) to rusting prematurely (it was only 3 years old in 1984), to blowing a waterpump during a 1400 mile trek, it was an unmitigated disaster of cheapness.

    Other interesting facts:

    • It was one of Ford's first front-wheel drive cars. It used u-joints rather than cv joints, which apparently failed often.
    • Because it was FWD, a lot of the mechanics at the time didn't understand how to work on it. Hence, it was fairly difficult to have repaired. Even the dealer balked at it, but had to repair it anyway, because it was a Ford.
    • Ford discontinued it after a few years, replacing it with the (much better) Escort.
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    1. Re:For those who don't know... by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      1978 and 1979 were the only years for the Fiesta in the US. I had one (posted above somewhere) and loved it. Had to replace the water pump a few times, but this was a cheap and easy DIY kind of repair that I did not mind that much. I also drove Escorts, which I hated, mostly because the regular models were sluggish compared to the fiesta.

    2. Re:For those who don't know... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      This Fiesta is not the first Ford to carry that name. Back in the late seventies, early eighties, Ford also produced a car called the Fiesta.

      The new model is part of that same line. Ford have sold the Fiesta (or at least successive models bearing the name) continuously in Europe since the 1970s.

      As for the Escort- was that really meant to be a direct replacement in the US? WP says that the original US Escort (but not later models) was based on the then-current European Escort. But in Europe, the Escort was always a noticably larger model than the equivalent Fiesta and (to me) obviously aimed at a different market segment. Both were sold alongside each other until the Focus replaced the Euro Escort.

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  25. It's a Mazda2 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    Which means it may not be the normal ford junk.

  26. Impressed with Ford by spago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After driving foreign cars for years we decided to give the Ford Fusion a try after hearing good things about it. Wow, we honestly were impressed, the price was great so we bought it. It drives nicely, European-like handling, has an interior that surprised us for a domestic, and the 4cyl gets great mileage for a car of this size. If the Fusion is any indication of Ford's direction, the Fiesta could be a hit. I know everyone on Slashdot automatically beats on domestics (I was there!), but really, they seem to be really trying. Plus since Ford didn't beg for any bailout money, that makes us feel even better about our choice. Way to go Ford, it was nice to be able to include a domestic on our shopping list.

    1. Re:Impressed with Ford by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That's because a Ford Fusion is a Mazda6. Even has a Mazda built transmission, the engine is a derivative of a Mazda engine, etc.

    2. Re:Impressed with Ford by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      That's assuming he means the American Ford Fusion, and not the different car of the same name sold in Europe.

      Which would be ironic, given that he was talking about foreign cars and "European-like handling"!

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  27. Taxes? by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 1

    If you were one of these 100 people, you'd have to pay taxes on the car, right? I wonder if Ford takes care of that. You might want to be a government appointee one day.

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    1. Re:Taxes? by Vohar · · Score: 1

      They're only getting to use the cars for 6 months, so I don't think ownership will actually be transferred. As a result, no tax hit.

    2. Re:Taxes? by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 1

      They have use of the car for 6 months so they have to claim 6 months worth of car. Say $1500 ($250/month * 6)?

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  28. Very old news... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    It's called viral marketing. It's used by big companies since the Internet became mainstream, and by local companies since there are communities. And it is the most sneaky and crooked of all marketing techniques. Fortunately, it often reeks of the uncanny valley of fakeishness, and then it fails epically. ^^

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  29. why Twitter is interesting .. . by Veni+Vidi+Dormi · · Score: 1
    Well, we're very happy for you and your vernacular.

    I used to think the same thing but have done a 180 in the past few months. Please let me elaborate:
    • For one thing, Twitter has given the Internet as an entity its own voice. Think about the information people are able to provide as real-time sensors.
    • Twitter is an incredibly simple 1 to N communication medium. You post to 1 location, the message is delivered to N followers.
    • Some people might be using it to blog about breakfast (I follow a few) but for myself I use it as a way to setup really awesome interlinked tools. With oAuth now officially supported, this real time neural linkage of threaded/cronned progs is going to get loop!

    But no, you just keep sitting over there in the corner sulking. Twitter as a business may be silly (God love em) but how else could you bring an idea like this to market?

    I honestly think it's started changing some markets. There is a specialty beer store here that posts it's current daily list online. Nightclubs and their acts. Need to know the weather? A scrabble word?

    Give it a try at least. Email me and I'd be more than happy to point out some more stuff.

    Cheers! Veni

    1. Re:why Twitter is interesting .. . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But no, you just keep sitting over there in the corner sulking."

      This is exactly the vibe I get when someone is trying to sell me something worthless like a MLM scam. But I think I get the whole twitter "be my follower" thing now, thx for that.

  30. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How much was this worth?

  31. Hey, give away the product.... by cptdondo · · Score: 1

    and charge for the support. Where else did I hear about that?

  32. anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I drove my previous Fiesta for over 125,000 miles, with better gas mileage than anything I could buy to replace it.

    I think they're smart to bring this car back to the US>

  33. Mercedes A180 CDI by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    That is an excellent analysis. I had the same prejudices, until my girlfriend dragged me, kicking and screaming, into the Mercedes dealership to test drive the A180 CDI. We own one now.

    It's a shame that Mercedes doesn't sell it in North America. Probably, they don't want to undercut their more expensive models.

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  34. Ford is gambling.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with tax payer's money!

    There, fixed for ya.

  35. Mazda... Fiesta... What's in a Name? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    The Fiesta is a relabelled/reskinned Mazda2 -- that is successful in many other parts of the world. I doubt highly that it is a POS as you call it.

    i think you got that backwards. the fiesta line of cars has been around a long time. i drove one built '90 and it was well established by then. mazda only started reskinning ford models when ford bought shares in mazda. (mazda3 is based on the ford focus for instance)

    According to the WP article, the current Fiesta and the Mazda2 share the Mazda D platform, but it's unclear which spawned which or how similar they are. I suspect that neither was obviously spawned from the other; rather, that the D platform was always intended to be used for both.

    In the UK at least, an earlier version of the Ford Fiesta was sold alongside a "Mazda 121" that was very obviously the same car with changed badges and a slightly different grille.

    Discussing cars and their lineage on the basis of names is confusing anyway, because marketing and engineering are generally separate.

    Sometimes cars which are essentially the same or very similar are sold under different names in different markets; sometimes even in the same market (see above).
    Sometimes the same name is used for unrelated cars in different countries (e.g. Ford Fusion).
    Sometimes the same name is used for similar or related cars in different countries, but then the lines diverge (e.g. Ford Escort, whose first American version was based on the then-current European Escort, but later diverged with a Mazda-derived model not related to the "Escorts" being sold in Europe by that time.
    Sometimes the names are harmonised so that (e.g.) the Vauxhall Nova line was replaced with the new Vauxhall Corsa, although the Novas were already known as Corsa elsewhere in Europe.

    Lots of cars overlap in terms of parts and basic platform as well; e.g. the original Ford Ka was built around an older Fiesta platform, but it's obviously a model in its own right.

    And of course, it all depends on how much you consider the different generations in the "Fiesta" range to be the same car- at least in evolutionary terms- or merely convenient marketing names. Some versions are obviously related, others less so; but the current Fiesta is obviously a completely different car to the original 1976 model.

    And yet people still buy cars on the strength of a known name even if it's debatable if it's really the "same" car... that's marketing.

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  36. Sorry but by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    the name! It reminds me of silly Jerry Seinfeld commercials for some odd reason.

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  37. My dad had one, it was a blast to drive by georgeha · · Score: 1

    if you were even a little quick on the clutch, you'd squeal the tires.

  38. cuecat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does this remind anyone of the CueCat? that is, companies trying to get consumers to take part in blatant, unengaging advertising? there's no incentive for a consumer to look at youtube videos, twitter posts, etc if it's clear that they're voluntarily watching commercials.

  39. Amen by goldcd · · Score: 1

    Thought it was just me.
    Usenet, Email, web, google, ebay, amazon, RSS, facebook, Spotify - I eventually found a place on my favourites list for these 'great new things' over the years.
    Many of the early contenders (e.g. altavista) sortof faded away, but usually as something better still came along.
    Twitter is rubbish. I mean I really really fail to see the point of it - and thought maybe I was just wasn't down with the kids any more.

  40. The problem in Europe with the Ford Fiesta... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Altough that car exist in Europe since many, many, years, the Ford Fiesta is facing fierce competition. There are just sooooo many European and Japanese subcompact that are just, well, better from every standpoint than the Ford Fiesta.

    Besides the original GT40 and the Mustang (even if this latter is just a muscle car unable to perform well on a real race-track [want a 24h run between your Mustang and my 911 on the Nurbugring's long Nordschleiffe for a good laugh?]) Ford really didn't produce anything worthy of mentionning.

    Let such company dies, it's polluting the American economy.