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Social Networking Sites Getting Risky For Recruiting

onehitwonder writes "While many recruiters and HR managers are taking advantage of the Web and online social networks to screen candidates for positions inside their organizations, a bank in Texas has decided that using social networking websites in its recruiting process is too risky legally. Amegy Bank of Texas now prohibits internal HR staff and external recruiters from using social networking sites in its hiring process. Amegy's decision to ban the use of social networking sites in its hiring process demonstrates its respect for prospective employees' privacy. It also sends a message to the employers and recruiters using social networks to snoop into job seekers' personal lives that their actions border on discrimination and could get them in a lot of legal trouble."

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  1. Makes sense by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people put a lot of info on their social networking sites. Some of it is information that is protected under discrimination laws. Now even if your HR people are squeaky clean about it and ignore all that, the problem could be proving it. You check up on someone's page and find out that they do something you don't like, and that you can discriminate on. However also on that page it lets you know they are Mormon. You don't hire them, they sue you for religious discrimination because your organization has a bunch of Catholics at the top.

    Well the lawsuit is now a problem. They'll claim you found out they were Mormon and that's the reason you won't hire them. You claim it is for another reason, maybe something they've now removed from their page. Well it's now "He said, she said." Maybe the jury doesn't buy that the other thing was what you cared about and all of a sudden you owe a bunch of money.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny
      So the lesson is to place a bunch of semi-contradictory potentially offensive material:
      • President PETA, local chapter
      • Loves Veal, Foie Gras, Soy, and Bean Sprout breakfast hash
      • Devout Catholic
      • Pro-Choice
      • Hermaphrodite
      • Straight
      • Regularly correspond with RIAA
      • Contributed to FSF
      • Libertarian
      • Yoga instructor
      • President of Gun Club, local chapter
      • etc
    2. Re:Makes sense by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      However also on that page it lets you know they are Mormon. You don't hire them, they sue you for religious discrimination because your organization has a bunch of Catholics at the top.

      Usually, to win that kind of lawsuit, you have to prove at least one of two things:
      1. You were discriminated against &/or
      2. There exists a pattern of discrimination

      So unless the company comes out and says "we saw [X] on [social networking site] and that's why you are not getting hired," a lawsuit has almost no chance.
      /And trying to prove a pattern of discrimination is a long and expensive process.

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    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah! Then you can claim that you were discriminated on your schizophrenia!

    4. Re:Makes sense by queequeg1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Coincidentally, I just attended a CLE that touched upon this issue today. The recommendation was that if you use any data miners to go out and look for damning information on social networking sites, they should be people who are well versed in the prohibited bases for not hiring people. Additionally, these people should NOT be the hiring decision makers. Essentially, these people would forward legally appropriate information to the decision makers who would then use the sanitized information in the hiring process (i.e. quotes about how the candidate financed his BMW from his current employer's cash reserves).

    5. Re:Makes sense by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

      It really depends on if the voices in your head tell you to do things, or if they just get off their lazy asses, take over and do it themselves!

    6. Re:Makes sense by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where the hell do you live?

      Race, gender and (I'm pretty sure) religious discrimination when selecting people for jobs is illegal under EU law as well. In most of the civilised world you can sue over that sort of thing.

      Private company or not, you don't get to decide you won't hire blacks or women.

    7. Re:Makes sense by Restil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm confused as to why anyone needs to provide ANY reason why someone didn't get hired. Getting fired is a separate issue. You need documentation to back up the decision, etc, etc. But hiring someone? Heck, just because you turn in an application and have an interview doesn't mean you've got the job, especially in this economy when there are 100 applicants applying for a single position. The chances are very good that you won't get it, even if they love you.

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  2. "A bank in Texas" by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

    by Texas law unless I am mistaken, is a single branch and an entire company.

    Maybe they have changed the laws since I was last there, but "a bank in Texas" might be roughly analogous, capital-wise, to a manufacturing plant in my local area. So one bank in Texas setting a policy is hardly big news.

    1. Re:"A bank in Texas" by RichDiesal · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is where RTFA comes in handy. The first paragraph of TFA:

      You won't find Amegy Bank of Texas CEO Paul B. Murphy Jr. uploading new profile pictures onto Facebook or linking Twitter feeds to a MySpace page. Murphy, who heads the 87-branch, Houston-based bank, isn't personally involved in the brave new world of social networking Web sites, but he certainly knows what they are. And thanks to his lawyer, his bank is successfully navigating the legal land mines they can contain.

    2. Re:"A bank in Texas" by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      So one bank in Texas setting a policy is hardly big news.

      In Texas!!?! A bank in Texas setting a sane, progressive policy like this is akin to a mosque declaring an equal rights policy in Saudi Arabia! This is up there with Gorbachev declaring perestroika!

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  3. Social networking sites should file suits by erroneus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is REALLY hard to prove discrimination as it is. When it is discovered, it should then be actionable in some way. As it stands, there is probably nothing in the law books that would stand against it, but social networking sites could potentially show damages because of their use being discouraged.

    Personally? I don't appear on any social networking sites... other than this one. If you really want to know who I am, you gotta know who I am and then read all my comments. But there are no pictures and so to confirm my identity would not be a simple matter for most.

    (Please, this is not a challenge...)

    1. Re:Social networking sites should file suits by KibibyteBrain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A growing issue in involuntary participation in social networking. Even if you'd like to stay off "the facebook" seeing it as nothing but trouble, your friends/colleagues can still post tagged pictures of you, notes about your participation in social activities, and whatever else they feel like doing. At this point it might be a good idea to get in if only to monitor your status and let your side of the story be known, lest your activist HR department decides to judge your entire value system based on a picture at a political event you just went to for the grub.

  4. They can say they will ban it by Winckle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But just like discrimination against age, disability, religion and race they just have to pay lip service and any employer can discriminate all they like.

  5. As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by flyboy974 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think that HR departments try to prove that they need to exist some times. They are there to try to tell you why you should NOT hire somebody. A pure "cover-your-ass" department.
    The reality is that I am a high school drop-out, and I am a Chief Technology Officer. I didn't get there by starting a company, I was recruited by the company itself. I have 15+ years of experience (my first "contract" position was when I was 15). Oh, and I'm 32 years old now.

    I once was given a job offer and then they rescinded it because I did not have a high school diploma. Were they wrong? You decide. I am where I am because I have the skills, experience and am damn good at my job.

    1. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Were they wrong? You decide.

      Probably not. You sound like an asshole. ;-)

    2. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by basementman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't tell if the purpose of this post was to brag about yourself or hate on human resources. Either way it's pointless.

    3. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sometimes an asshole is the right guy for the job.. if its a job in HR, for example.

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    4. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by evilviper · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am where I am because I have the skills, experience and am damn good at my job.

      ...says the son of the CEO.

      Meanwhile, I am so good at my job because I'm a time-traveler from the 37th century...

      I once was given a job offer and then they rescinded it because I did not have a high school diploma.

      Yeah, McDonalds can be like that...

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    5. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by hannson · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think that HR departments try to prove that they need to exist some times.

      My sister works at a bank which has a HR department. When her baby was due and she had to take parental leave she was called to a meeting with HR. Her manager had previously asked her to work longer and take shorter leave. Scared that they'd find some reason to fire her she offered to work longer and drop in every now and then after the baby was born to take some of the workload of her co-workers. HR did not accept this proposal and insisted that she would take her paid leave and come back to work when she'd be ready.

      Moral of the story; HRs' sole purpose is not hiring but keeping good staff members happy and in the company and more importantly protect the staff from management abuse.

    6. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, there's careful mention of his exact accomplishments and the age at which he made them, calling a whole group of people he I guess manages useless, and the in-your-face rhetorical questioning about whether he is really as awesome as he says he is. I'd find it insufferable.

    7. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is not the purpose of HR. HR's job is to protect the company from lawsuits.

      The reason your sisters HR department went to the trouble of making sure she took her leave, is because if she had been cheated out of even one day of it, the company would have been in violation of federal law, and liable for a nice fat payday.

      9 out 10 HR departments don't give a care about the actual employee, they care about liability and employment laws. Ultimately, their goal is not in line with the greater goals of the company, which is why you need HR departments, to protect companies from themselves.

    8. Re:As a hiring manager, I really hate HR! by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Funny

      careful mention of his exact accomplishments and the age at which he made them

      Ha! By that metric Steve Jobs, Hans Reiser, and Stephen Wolfram are all assholes.. oh, I see now, never mind.

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  6. Just because they say they don't by Yold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't mean they won't. I know a couple managers, and frankly you are sticking your neck out if you make a couple of bad hires. What is to stop someone from snooping on your myspace/facebook (other than privacy settings) from their own home.

    It all comes down to what has been said before, if you don't want the world to know, don't put it on the internet. Its the reason why I discontinued facebook, because quite frankly, I find it rather advantageous to be mysterious ( especially with women ;) ).

  7. Google your future employees by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who has ever hired someone has googled him/her. It's almost inevitable not to land on a person's social networking page, if this person uses her own name online. It will be very hard to totally ignore the information you found there. Even if you don't intend to you will unconciously or conciously use it during the job interview.

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  8. That's why you make your facebook... by VinylRecords · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the most ridiculously amazing profile ever:

    Hobbies and Interests:

    - working hard every day
    - always obeying superiors
    - working overtime for standard pay

    Favorite Movies:
    Favorite Books:
    Favorite Music:

    - none I'm always working

    - - -

    Things NOT to include:

    Hobbies and Interests:

    - feeding my cocaine addiction
    - leather and bondage fetish
    - reading slashdot

    - - -

    My Facebook profile makes me look extremely plain. It is the bare essentials. A personal email contact, my high school and undergraduate information, and a list of some very safe hobbies like 'sports' or 'cooking'. It took me forever to untag all those pictures of me naked on acid.

    1. Re:That's why you make your facebook... by glowworm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hobbies and Interests:

      - feeding my cocaine addiction - leather and bondage fetish - reading slashdot

      Congratulations, you have the job, can you wear this collar and gimp mask and head on down to the broom closet, ummm, computer room. I will be down to join you momentarily.

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  9. So take some persnal responsibility... by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Interesting
    and protect your own privacy. I have a Facebook account and use it regularly. But only my friends and family can see ANYTHING at all. If you search for me on Facebook, you get nothing. I invite you, not the other way around.

    Now, LinkedIn is a different matter. I leave that public, as I use that for work networking.

    Honestly, this reminds me of the days when we were starting to realize we couldn't actually just throw our email addresses out there willy-nilly.

  10. Change your settings by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Informative

    On facebook you can limit your information to only be accessible to friends, friends of friends or your network. It's quite granular, if your information is accessible by people you don't want it to be then that's your fault for not using the privacy settings that facebook provides.

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  11. Reference Checks by stmfreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sometimes social network sites are the most honest form of references you can find on an prospective candidate. And while some people express preferences or display aspects of their lives that put them in a protected class, one we're legal bound not to ask about, it is information that they choose to display in association with the name they use to seek employment. Personally, I try to ignore that stuff while I look for aspects of their life that may relate to their capability as an employee. If you are concerned that you might be denied employment because you <whatever>, use an alias.

    On the flip side, some candidates reveal things that make it very easy to weed them from the process for reasons that, legal or not, are in the best interest of the company and staff. The most recent in our case was a candidate that wrote us a particularly angry letter about our interview process. A quick google revealed him to be a stalker who kept a record of threats he made and threats he received through chronicle of his life. We also found a separate site devoted to his lawsuit against a former employer over some other stalking/harassment type issue. Rather than apologize and try to correct our process, we bid him farewell.

    Should we avoid learning all we can that is relevant to the job about someone we might consider hiring? Google provides levels of information previously only available through the use of a private eye and with the good comes the bad and unnecessary. So we have to ignore religion, age, race, gender, preferences, et cetera. But hiring managers have been doing that for years, this information often comes up or can be inferred during an interview.

    This policy seems like a Luddite decision. It would probably be better for HR to do the research and then filter out the protected information so the hiring manager doesn't get tainted. Then the hiring can be done irrespective of protected class status and yet with full awareness of the relevant data.

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  12. I really, really hate HR by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our HR department is the opposite. We were recently given a list of questions we must ask everyone whenthey return from sick leave.

    Imagine how stupid I felt asking someone who returned after having a broken leg in a car accident which was the other driver's fault: "Do you think that this is likely to recur?", and with his leg in plaster "Have you any written evidence, such a s a medical certificate, showing that this was a genuine illness?".

    More to the point with the possibility of a flu pandemic people have to make every reasonable effort to come into work, and must declare that they did so on returning

    .

    There is an escalation process for repeat absences, whatever the reason and a bonus for not being sick in a year, so I am sure some people will think "hey this could be swine flu but if I don't try to get in I could end up in disciplinary. On the bright side if it is swine flu maybe someone in HR will catch it".