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The In-House Decency Patrol At Facebook

theodp writes "How'd you like a job where you get fired if you DON'T view porn at work? Newsweek reports on Facebook's internal police force of 150 staffers who are charged with regulating users' decorum, hunting spammers and working with actual law-enforcement agencies to help solve crimes. Part hall monitors, part vice cops, the $50,000-a-year 'porn cops' also keep Facebook safe for corporate advertisers."

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  1. so lest get this straight by ionix5891 · · Score: 5, Funny

    there are people who get PAID to view porn?!

    1. Re:so lest get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      yep. my first "job"ã(back in high school) was translating pirated movies for a small video shop somewhere in Eastern Europe.

      more than half of what i had to do was porn, and i liked it, because it was easier than normal films, and paid the same.

      and the hard ons were for free.

      good times ...

    2. Re:so lest get this straight by impaledsunset · · Score: 4, Funny

      Call me when they pay me to view porn _and_ read Slashdot.

    3. Re:so lest get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I work for a web hosting company that caters to the adult industry. Looking at porn is a job requirement.

      However, it's not all it's cracked up to be. Porn doesn't discriminate.

      I'll let you figure it out.

    4. Re:so lest get this straight by jo42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine that. I've also heard that there are people who get paid to MAKE porn!!

    5. Re:so lest get this straight by GF678 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there are people who get PAID to view porn?!

      You know those porn sites on that there Interwebz? Well guess what... each and every single one needs someone to at the very least maintain and run the sites, if not to adjust/crop/re-size/airbrush the material.

      I remember reading the first-hand experiences of a guy hired to maintain such a site. The end result was that he found himself totally desensitized to the material, even the really hardcore stuff, to the point that porn had absolutely no thrill. So be aware of this if you every find the opportunity to check out porn on a daily basis. :)

    6. Re:so lest get this straight by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Call me when they pay me to view porn _and_ read Slashdot.

      Maybe CmdrTaco could use a helping hand with getting rid of the goatse links?

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    7. Re:so lest get this straight by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You also have to consider that what you will be looking at is mostly homemade stuff that is probably not very exciting, maybe even a little off putting. Most people don't look to good shoot under poor light with a low res cell phone camera. I suspect this is going to be a good deal of what you find on facebook.

      Light does a lot, a photo of female with a shadow on her often makes it appear as if she has hair. Ever wonder why professional photographers almost always use direct light on girls in studio work? They don't do this as much with men which they may shoot under flood because a little darkness on parts of the face make him appear rugged and manly. Then you have all those dorm room fluorescents that are going to make people look pale or green. Finally most people are just not as good looking as models who are almost always air brushed themselves.

      Now when this is your girl friend or something your brain can sorta compensate for the unflattering camera effects, you can image what she really looks like and its possible very arousing. When its someone you don't know you are going to see what is on the page. So when you girl or guy friend sends you a titillating image its fun, when you are sifting though other peoples images I don't much of it is going to be a turn on. As to the models being air brushed and such, well again when its someone you have affection for you probably see what you want to see, when its someone you don't know well; her breasts are really uneven and her nose is sort big etc etc.

      Finally although our society is much more open about the female form than the male; I am sure Facebook has its share of flamers and men sending pictures to their girlfriends alike. Truly, I don't think many men are as disgusted at seeing other men nude as most of us pretend. Its not like we don't see dick when we look down in the shower every morning. Still this is probably going to be at least of fourth of the images or so; that is 25% of the time you are just classifying what to you are uninteresting images. If I was doing something as dull as identifying common images a quarter of the time I was at the office, I would get to hate work pretty fast.

      Frankly sifting though slightly off putting images for eight hours day, with only a handful of them making me go "Nice" sounds like a pretty terrible job.

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    8. Re:so lest get this straight by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would be a matter of taste, now wouldn't it? Personally, I'm just fed up with all those Paris Hilton wannabes wit porno pouts and oh so realistic 'acting'. I am fed up with silicone tits on top of malnourished torsos.

      I'd rather look at someone's chubby girlfriend really having fun than most of those 'professionals'.

    9. Re:so lest get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As somebody who is getting out of the porn industry, I can vouche for this. It is like guys who print money all day. Yeah, you work with billions of dollars a day, but to you it is basically paper.

      Plus, assholes will eventually leek a password to your paid content and use up 10TB of your bandwidth in a few days, costing you several thousand dollars in overages. That and everybody in the industry are a bunch of damn flakes running out of their kitchen table. Ever tried to deposit a 30,000 dollar Canadian check? Takes about a month to clear. Why dont they wire, you ask? No can do... nobody does wire transfers.

      I'd go on, but screw it. The worst part is you can't really use your experiance working on such things on your resume or in your portfolio. Nobody wants to read "used photoshop to remove the background from dudes banging eachother on a bed" or "responsible for maintaining the billing system of several dozen lesbian porn sites".

      It is basically a career black hole... if you dont get out quickly, you'll become stagnant and stop learning. Since nobody wants to talk about porn in public, the industry is forced to exist in its own little world with very little interaction with the rest of the computing landscape. It is like an insular little group that doesn't exchange ideas with the outside. They've got their own CMS's, their own billing systems, their own webhosts, their own everything. All of it home-grown and all of it like five years behind the rest of the computing industry...

      Basically... it sucks. Sounds good in theory, but in reality. Dont do it. And whoever said that not everybody in porn is hot is right. Sure some of the stuff you work with is okay, but since everybody gets off to something different, most of what you work with is not what you personally would find attractive at all.

    10. Re:so lest get this straight by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heh, let's put it this way, at BellTV there are cubicles on the fifth floor of one of the buildings with explicit 'stop' signs on them with some explanation that if you walk into one of those cubicles you may see something that may offend you, well, if you do walk in you may see maybe 10 monitors with at least some of them showing porn and there are people sitting there looking at it and it is part of the job. They are basically QAs that really have to watch this stuff all the time. And they get paid to do this.

    11. Re:so lest get this straight by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I operated a porn business, I'd make sure it's only stuff I personally enjoy. Like the guy who runs the DOMAI website - nothing but nude images of women. He refuses to deal with anything else, since he doesn't enjoy anything else. That's the way to enjoy both life and your career.

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    12. Re:so lest get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      and your career.

      That is the problem though. There is a stigma built around working in the adult industry that makes any skills you picked up working in it hard to transfer. How do you put "created a streaming webcam with credit-based billing" on your resume? I mean, how do you move forward post-porn without lying on your resume?

      Plus, even while you work in the industry, life is hard. Most hosts won't take you, and if they do, you are liable to be dumped at a moments notice. Banks dont like you. CC companies would love do dump you but you make too much for them (try 15% transaction fees for a month and get back to me). But lets forget about that... lets say you want to outsource something like your trouble ticketing or email. You can do it, but you have to really read the TOS first, and even then they can (and will) drop you at a moments notice. Thus you can rule out most everything interesting (for example, Amazon EC2 would be a perfect fit for video transcoding).

      Oh, did I mention that your password is almost definitely *not* stored as a hash? Yup. Storing your member password as plaintext is pretty much industry standard. If you pull up a customer in your billers website or something like NATS, right under their login will be their password. Why? Because there is no solid integration between any components. Your biller has a loose coupling with your member manager, which has a loose coupling with your authentication system, of which your CMS doesn't know anything about. For example, most sites use HTTP authentication because it is probably the easiest way to secure a members area. Why? Because most adult CMSes has no idea about "members"... you have to basically add a shim between them and your web server to make sure only members get in. The CMS has no way to sign out, no "hello anonymous coward", nothing...

      Really, the whole industry is whack. Most of the reason is because porn is taboo. As a result, the industry attracts scammers and flakes.

    13. Re:so lest get this straight by Frozentech · · Score: 2, Funny

      ummm... you mean you translated "uhhh uhhhh ahhhh!" into various Eastern European languages ?? You are a cunning linguist, my friend !

  2. **preps resume** by downix · · Score: 3, Funny

    First it's the Sweedish tax collectors, now facebook! I am in the wrong line of business!

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  3. Waste of money by Norsefire · · Score: 4, Funny

    They pay 150 people $50k a year to do this when if they promised people a few hundred Texas Hold 'Em chips per report they could have millions doing it for free.

  4. I'm sure it gets real old by mc1138 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As exciting as this seems at first, I'm sure it gets real old real fast, and isn't nearly as cool as it seems.

    1. Re:I'm sure it gets real old by calmofthestorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suspect they spend more time viewing JEWS DID WTC than porn, but I don't know.

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    2. Re:I'm sure it gets real old by mc1138 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or underage kids drinking. I'm sure that's a lot of fun...

  5. 50k$ is not enough by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For such a boring job.

    1. Re:50k$ is not enough by Threni · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unskilled = anyone can do it = no-one cares what you think = just shut up and do it or we'll get someone eles in = low paid

    2. Re:50k$ is not enough by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      True, but this doesn't sound like it needs that much skill to do it. Also can't this sort of thing be automated?

      They tried that, but the computer grokked some robot hentai porn and went into an infinite loop, with the dvd drive just sliding in and out and in and out and in and out ...

    3. Re:50k$ is not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are still in school, right?

      Well, that implies that the median is unskilled and menial or worse. You may not like that, but it could well be an accurate description of your society.

      Yes, because, mr. great economist, if everyone was skilled, everyone would command large sums of money for their work.

    4. Re:50k$ is not enough by Alex+Belits · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook is in Palo Alto. For $50K/y you can barely pay for apartment, car, and maybe some kind of food.

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    5. Re:50k$ is not enough by rrossman2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey! Welcome to the 21st Century and the development of the Internet! We now do not need to live anywhere near our place of employment to do work for said employer!

      (PS: Yes, there are more tinfoil hat nuts than ever....)

    6. Re:50k$ is not enough by Flere+Imsaho · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just be thankful you're not being paid to watch necrophilia-based porn - that's dead boring. In contrast, the incest related stuff is only relatively boring.

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  6. Sorry, size matters by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

    How do I apply and am I allowed to save the images to my computer?

    Neither your hard drive, nor your [censored}, are big enough.

    They don't want people who will end up filing for workers' comp for "tennis elbow".

    1. Re:Sorry, size matters by Snarky+McButtface · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have had wanker's cramp since I was fifteen and it hasn't slowed me down. Where do I need to send my resume?

  7. Rampant Sexism by corsec67 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hate how incredibly sexist the filtering is. Both sexes (generally) have a pair of nipples that appear very similar, so for one pair to be fine for prime-time television, and another pair to be fined for a fleeting appearance on TV seems very silly.

    It isn't the shape of the female breast that is the issue, as a picture of a model wearing a skimpy swimming suit would pass. Male nipples? Also just fine.

    Female Nipples? WHOAH, STOP THE PRESSES!
    (Even if the nipple is currently feeding a child)

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    1. Re:Rampant Sexism by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Welp, this is a larger societal issue, not just an issue with facebook.

      There are protests around the world where women basically go topless and get arrested for it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      I for one welcome our firm, C-cup overlords.

    2. Re:Rampant Sexism by corsec67 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are protests where large gatherings of women walk/sit around topless? Can I go ... err ... help?

      If you are exposed to breasts frequently enough, they wouldn't be as titillating.

      Like the women that work at Onsens and Sento in Japan: when I went to a Sento (bath house), I didn't see a single male attendant. The women attendants would walk around cleaning stuff, and the nude men(myself included) would just ignore them.

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    3. Re:Rampant Sexism by Swizec · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unlike the average slashdotter I'm exposed to breasts at least every day and to be quite honest, they never stop being the single best toy in the world. Breasts are fun. End of story.

    4. Re:Rampant Sexism by oliderid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are protests around the world where women basically go topless and get arrested for it

      Not in most european countries IMHO (Techno parades, beaches,etc).

      I didn't think that the restrictive Facebook policy could be that conservative. Topless "forbidden!", mothers breast feeding children "forbidden!"...I'm quite surprised.

      American media companies have no problem to show a crime scene with blood everywhere and a victim lying on the ground. but a healthy female body is considered more obscene than that. I find it so absurd in a way.

    5. Re:Rampant Sexism by orange47 · · Score: 5, Funny

      aww, how cute, baby learned to type already..

    6. Re:Rampant Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unlike the average slashdotter I'm exposed to breasts at least every day and to be quite honest, they never stop being the single best toy in the world. Breasts are fun. End of story.

      Just because you (unlike the average slashdotter) are a woman, doesn't mean you have to rub it in what you get to do every day...

    7. Re:Rampant Sexism by Velex · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hate how incredibly sexist the filtering is.

      What's even worse is that it's females who are demanding it. Just think of the children! An exposed female breast could traumatize a small child, especially when they're under the age of 2!

      Seriously.

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  8. Their advertizers are scum anyway by sam_handelman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm aware that the advertizing is targeted, but all I ever see are ads for dating sites or russian mail-order brides.

      Oh, and those "free" credit report companies, who make the russian mailorder bride people look reputable.

      Also, isn't facebook losing money hand over fist anyway? They'd probably do better if they moved to a subscription model that let you look at other user's porn.

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  9. No thanks by runlevelfour · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Familiarity breeds contempt. Not only would the questionable perk of viewing porn and other amusing things become boring after constant exposure, you get to wade through the eyesore garbage people post on their page as well. Sounds like an easy gig, but one can imagine that there is a constant mountain of paperwork and reports to fill out. If you ask me it smacks of a highly paid glorified clerk job.

    1. Re:No thanks by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Familiarity breeds contempt. Not only would the questionable perk of viewing porn and other amusing things become boring after constant exposure,

      Kind of makes you want to feel sorry for gynecologists ...

      ... except the blind ones - they can still read lips.

    2. Re:No thanks by Gonoff · · Score: 2, Funny

      Familiarity breeds contempt

      Some clever person once said "without some familiarity, there's not a lot of breeding anyway."

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  10. lolwut by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are ads on facebook?

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  11. Being spied upon by ickleberry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that these guys actually exist make me glad i'm not on facebook. Ya know facebook pretends to care about privacy all that but how can they keep that up when they have 150 paid staff who'se job it is to snoop through your stuffs?

    1. Re:Being spied upon by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ya know facebook pretends to care about privacy all that but how can they keep that up

      That *could* be a problem after watching pr0n all day ... maybe they could click on some of those contextual ads for some V14GR4 ...

    2. Re:Being spied upon by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Random strangers can't go snooping through your stuff. The whole point of Facebook is to make what used to be an open field day on private information (geocities then myspace, etc.) a more private and protected one.

      Facebook themselves brag about the privacy and personal protection measures. Nobody can tell if you rejected them (without effort) or what groups you've left, or if you posted photos privately for a specific friend or family member ...

      When users try to get around it, its a ToS violation, but then they themselves violate these rules.

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  12. Facebook might be in for a surprise! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait till they find pictures of their mothers on my page!

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  13. I know... And it's a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've worked in internet advertising and know how important ads are to many useful services AND that they often contain info I actually want to see and click (job openings, products that interest me, etc.).

    So while I use adblock, I have very limited block list that I have personally made. It consists of: Ads that blink so much they literally hurt your eyes, ads that very clearly lie ("you are millionth visitor" or adult friend finder ads) and... that's pretty much it. The list has gotten quite long but still only contains those.

    For long, I tried to struggle not to add facebook ads to the list. However, all the ads I am getting are VERY deceptive. There are numerous, poorly translated "[celebrity name] IQ is 136, test your's!" (sometimes using a friend's name instead of celebrity's) or "[Friend's name] has done [insert new thing], try it out" when they haven't... And then there are all the ads designed to look just like facebook buttons so that you would accidentally click them...

    Though I have worked in the business, I have never seen any other site so consistently filled with that shady ads. Even porn sites mostly have real poker ads. Google has MUCH stricter policies on ads allowed. I can't imagine this kind of ad policy being good for FB in the long run.

  14. Internal Corruption by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I used to have a neighbor who was a homicide detective on the Los Angeles Police Department, when I lived in that fine city.

    He got transferred to the Vice Unit which seen like a demotion for a homicide detective. His explanation was that no police officer spent more that eighteen months in the Vice Unit because it tended to corrupt the offices and turn them into the criminals they where fighting.

    If this holds true, and I have mo reason to doubt my former neighbor, will this be a temporary assignment? Or will we start seeing these employees start posting there own girl meet donkey videos?

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    1. Re:Internal Corruption by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you've been following what the LAPD has been up to in the last few months, you'd know that cops get cycled through the vice unit after only 18 months so that the next guy can get a turn.

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  15. You wouldn't like it at all by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had the job ages ago of invesitgating complaints about a large dutch ISP's servers and user accounts content. If you send a mail that on our network there was inappropriate content, then I investigated and took appropriate action.

    Do not think this inappropriate content is restricted to some David Hamilton pics ("this content is legal with in the jurisdiction of the account it is hosted from")or even the early ancestors of "two girls and a cup" ("No laws are broken").

    Times might have changed a bit. The internet is a bit less of a wild west zone and facebook might not attract the very worsed of content as it is by its nature linked to your indentity but then, so was your IP to your account in my time.

    I quit after a few months despite a fairly high salary because there is only so much child porn, dead bodies or both you can look at.

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  16. Getting a job at Facebook by shark72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's revealing that the porn patroller featured in the article -- a fellow whose job is to view photos all day and press "yes" or "no" buttons -- is a Stanford graduate.

    This illustrates how many people apply to work at Facebook, and how hard it must be to get a job there. This guy got his degree from Stanford and took a job that could easily be outsourced to Mechanical Turk -- just to work at Facebook.

    For what it's worth, the $50K salary quoted might sound like a lot to those of you in the flyover states but it's pretty dismal by Bay Area standards. My first job out of college in the Bay Area, by comparison, paid $30K -- and that was 20 years ago.

    I hope the guy is buried in options.

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  17. Easy by aepervius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Male nipple aren't that exciting and don't seem to be a primary atractor to female human, but the contrary, female niplle seem to be a very primary sexual arouser for female human especially with rising size, or the puffing of the nipple (showing sexual receptivity). So your point is pointless.

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  18. *yawn* by GregGardner · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I worked at Xoom.com (of the "free homepages" fame ala geocities) over 10 years ago, we had several people on staff with the same job. But instead of 'porn cops' we jokingly referred to them as 'porn whackers'. The biggest reason for having people paid to go through this stuff was to remove kiddie porn and report it to the FBI.

  19. Last part says it all by jhylkema · · Score: 2, Insightful

    . . . the $50,000-a-year 'porn cops' also keep Facebook safe for corporate advertisers.

    They wouldn't give a ripshit otherwise. It's sorta like how eBay doesn't give a ripshit about scammers, but woe betide you if you have the temerity to try and resell an authentic Burberry scarf or somesuch.