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Amazon Kindle DX Details Revealed

theodp writes with news that details for the Kindle DX are now available. "Specs-wise, the big changes are a larger 9.7-inch screen that rotates to landscape display, a PDF reader, and more storage space. The Kindle DX carries a $489 price tag (compared to the $359 Kindle 2)." Engadget has a series of pictures from Jeff Bezos' presentation, and the Amazon product information page has further details and a video. According to the press release, Amazon has worked out a deal with The New York Times, The Boston Globe, and The Washington Post to "offer the Kindle DX at a reduced price to readers who live in areas where home-delivery is not available."

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  1. Too expensive by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I will not pay that price as long as books are cheap and PDFs can be read on my computer.

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    1. Re:Too expensive by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who has to read a lot of PDFs, I've gotten sick of reading them on the computer. If they're more than about 5 pages long, it's really irritating. Printing them out wastes paper, and takes a long time when they can be dozens or even hundreds of pages long.

      The whole point of an e-book reader is the e-ink display. When I first saw one, it was amazing how much easier to read it is than a computer screen.

      I pre-ordered a Kindle DX today. I'd been looking at the iRex DR-1000, but it was even more expensive, and has very mixed reviews. I anticipate using the DX on a daily basis probably for the next several years (grad student)... and I won't have to be tied to a computer, or drag around a laptop. Battery life is supposed to better even than netbooks.

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    2. Re:Too expensive by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As someone who has to read a lot of PDFs, I've gotten sick of reading them on the computer.

      I'm sick of reading them, period. I hate PDFs, with their author-chosen fonts, non-adjustable margins, and unconfigurable page breaks. I'd much rather read something in HTML or the equivalent so that changing the font to my liking reflows the text, and I don't have to toggle between "zoomed in enough to read without a microscope" and "zoomed out enough that I'm not constantly scrolling left-to-right.

      Please, kill PDFs for machine reading. They're fine for print but absolutely suck on dynamic displays.

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    3. Re:Too expensive by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why hasn't anyone manufactured just an e-ink display?

      No need to worry about all the internal components. Have the display, a stand (that can rotate from portrait to landscape), and a carrying case. Use your existing stuff to read with it, such as a laptop or desktop.

      It'd probably be way cheaper than a second monitor and those of us who read looong PDFs would make use of somethin' like this.

    4. Re:Too expensive by slapout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "and PDFs can be read on my computer."

      Checked out the price of a computer lately?

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  2. Good Next Step by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good: Size and ability to download your own PDFs via USB. Price is not that outrageous for an early adopter type product.

    Needs Improvement: Add SD card reader and WiFi. Switch between WiFi and 3G like the iPhone does so you can use a faster WiFi connection when available.

    Bad: Disables table of contents feature for PDFs. Dumb

    1. Re:Good Next Step by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The original Kindle had an SD slot... this one has 4 GB, which is quite a bit, but I agree, why not include one? I already have about 2 GB of PDFs on my computer.

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    2. Re:Good Next Step by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really bad: Costs $500
       
      Supposedly a subscription to the NYT or other major paper will get you a price cut, but $500 is $150 too much for a larger version of the Kindle 2, which only costs $190 to build. The rebate ought to be $200 or more otherwise there's no savings over the print version (with the 6" kindle there's a savings of about $130 at current subscription rates). The fact that they're only offering the (so far not officially announced) discount in areas that don't already offer delivery of the NYT in print form is more depressing.
       
      I had my fingers crossed for this, but damnit Amazon, offer this at a price I'm willing to pay. The 6" model is just too damn small for serious reading.

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    3. Re:Good Next Step by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because every little bit of hardware you add to a device raises the price. Consumer devices are sold on paper-thin margins, so you aim on the likely use case. You don't add features, however cheap, that most of your users will never need.

      The exception to this is legacy features, like those infrared ports you see on so many laptops. But this is a totally new application — there's no history to impose legacy features.

    4. Re:Good Next Step by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Books with graphics get to be rather large. Books with markup tend to get rather large as well.

      And just like MP3 players, you want to carry your whole collection around with you... 3GB is a lot until you start to really use the device, and then it's not enough.

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    5. Re:Good Next Step by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Informative

      Kind of hard to support when there's no mouse or touch screen.

      According to the user's manual, the Kindle DX has a table of contents navigation feature that is usable with their proprietary format. Some PDFs have a table of contents information, displayed as you said in the bookmark pane of a PC based reader. The manual states that the TOC menu item is grayed out (disabled) for PDFs.

      So the TOC navigation tools are there, they just don't allow them to be used with PDFs. For a large PDF, such as the USB spec, the TOC is very useful for navigation.

  3. Before the FUD creeps in again: by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Yes, you can read non-DRM eBooks on Kindle in several formats, includint text and PDF
    2. No, your Kindle does not die if you close your Amazon account
    3. No, Amazon does not remotely kill your Kindle if this happens
    4. And all of your books (including DRM) remain readable if this happens
    5. And Kindle DOES have a USB port so you CAN copy files to and from it
    6. And this USB port DOES work just like a flash drive so it's not Windows-only

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    1. Re:Before the FUD creeps in again: by Vadim+Grinshpun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you are wrong :)
      See http://igorsk.blogspot.com/

      Igorsk is one who's done some great work on both the Sony Reader and Kindle.
      At the very least, his work allows Cyrillic books to be read, which is not supported natively. Not sure if there are other applications.

  4. All such book reads will fail until... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they are cheap enough that people won't worry about ruining them at the beach or by dropping them onto the floor.

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    1. Re:All such book reads will fail until... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really. It doesn't stop people from buying $500 smartphones and $300 MP3 players. Just be careful with your stuff. Sure it's not suited for all environments, like at the beach, there are quite a few good things about such a device. So it doesn't work at the beach. I only go to the beach once a year, and spend 48 weeks out of the year (minimum) in the city.

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    2. Re:All such book reads will fail until... by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not necessarily. The DX is not geared towards the beach-reading crowd, the size alone should tell you that. It's more business/academic oriented - i.e., people who are already carrying around an expensive laptop all the time. I think it could be a real hit with students - it's pricey, so maybe not right away, but the next closest competitor in size is the iRex, which is closer to $1000.

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    3. Re:All such book reads will fail until... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's more business/academic oriented

      But that just narrows the market size by 90%, which doesn't seem very bright.

      Targeting smart people with money doesn't seem a bad business model.

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    4. Re:All such book reads will fail until... by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I am already carrying around a laptop, why would I want to carry another piece of equipment that performs a subset of functions that a laptop can do?

      That's what everyone is missing. An e-book reader does not perform a subset of the features of a laptop - it performs a different task, one that a laptop is not as well-suited for, namely, reading long documents. I would MUCH rather read a 50 page journal article on the large Kindle than on my laptop.

      I don't see much value from this device to students. Most textbooks are not available in electronic form, so it's not like students can carry one device instead of several heavy books. Also, from my experience I can tell that students generally don't have any time for casual reading,

      I don't care about the textbooks so much as the ability to read PDFs. Both my undergraduate and master's degrees involved reading LOTS of PDFs - journal articles, scanned chapters of books, working papers, etc. That's why it could be useful for students, not for the casual reading part.

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    5. Re:All such book reads will fail until... by rednip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But that just demonstrates the stupidity and lemming-like nature of hip, cool, trendy people.

      It's true that some people use items to improve social status, others attempt it by making snarky comments.

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    6. Re:All such book reads will fail until... by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

      people won't worry about ruining them at the beach

      e-Books are much better for reading at the beach than paper books, at least in terms of resistance to salt, sand, water, etc. Just put your e-book in a big ziploc baggy. It doesn't interfere with reading, and protects it so well you can throw the book in the waves if you like. Don't do that with a paper book (unless it's in a baggy, but you have to take it out to read it).

      The only downside to an e-book reader on a public beach is that someone might steal it while you're swimming.

      As for dropping them... I've been reading primarily on e-Book readers for almost 10 years now (starting with a Rocketbook) and it's really never been a problem. I don't drop them much, and in the rare case it happens, they've survived fine. They're built to take a little abuse, like a cellphone.

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  5. Significant advantages to students: by aussersterne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Searchable (wooohoo!)
    2. Carry one thin device, not 20lbs of books

    Those alone might have caused me to buy it as an undergrad.

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    1. Re:Significant advantages to students: by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, I don't think "publishers did it for the students."

      That is not the same, however, as saying "students might want it."

      If you think "the index" is the same as "the search button," you haven't used either recently. The index names a few headwords chosen by editors and an indexer. 95% of the other words in a book don't turn up in it. It references the most critical pages, not necessarily all pages that refer to the headword in question. It typically omits statistics, names and organizations, and sources, which you often don't get in a textbook in easily reference form since most undergrad textbooks include no footnotes or endnotes.

      Search is HUGE for a studying undergrad, especially during junior and sophomore years when the exams are getting harder and knowing the books inside and out more critical.

      Perhaps this is not the case in computer science or mathematics, but anywhere across the arts, humanities, social sciences, history, area studies, management and policy, etc., it will be more than a boon.

      I used my little Kindle 1.0 to study for a comprehensive Ph.D. written examination for just that reason; I accumulated 20-30 reference works and then could search for names and critical phrases across the entire contents of my kindle and save those search results for easy recall.

      And the way that Kindle saves the search results, it aggregates the surrounding sentences into lists:

      Result 1: From Book Title: Surrounding context and keywords here.

      Result 2: From Book Title: Surrounding context and keywords here.

      etc.

      And you can click on each one if you want more. The end result was that I could study using just my "saved searches" referencing dozens of books at once, without having to flip through them endlessly and stick paperclips and post-it notes in each volume on "important pages."

      The massive juxtaposition of directly relevant paragraphs as "you created 'em" pages that were directly on point for me was amazing.

      I was the only person in some years to pass with honors, after several faculty and other students had made fun of me for studying on my Kindle.

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    2. Re:Significant advantages to students: by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Informative

      And, I should also add, there is an INDEX of the things that YOU have highlighted, browseable as a list and clickable so that you can go to that page and see your highlight in context.

      Try to do THAT with a traditional book.

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    3. Re:Significant advantages to students: by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You must not be in a professional field. We keep our books as references, often for out entire careers. I still use two or three of my texts - from 20 years ago - on a weekly basis (okay, maybe monthly). It's hard to loan your kindle to someone to look something up, but very easy to do so with a single textbook.

      Kindle is an entertainment device, not a business one (not yet, at least). And I'm okay saying that a lot of non-technical (and some technical) classes in College are merely entertainment.

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  6. Re:The point isn't newspapers or magazines. by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Resale is never going to be allowed. The only reason textbook publishers would sign on to digital technologies is if it would kill the resale market.

  7. as long as books are cheap by wiredog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Checked out the price of college textbooks lately?

    1. Re:as long as books are cheap by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 2, Informative

      yes, buying them for both of my sons. Buy used, the resell when done. Net result is low cost.

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    2. Re:as long as books are cheap by milimetric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Textbooks are expensive only in small part due to the hardcover / high quality paper they're printed on. The IP of the authors is what costs the most money.

      Most likely the Kindle + e-versions of textbooks will be only slightly cheaper than paper textbooks. To really see the savings of the kindle you have to look deeper. Pens, paper, notebooks used to write notes on will be in some large part replaced by the annotation capabilities of the Kindle. Mobile internet for life is also something that people seem to underestimate. Furthermore, reducing paper waste seems to me by far the biggest cost reduction. It's just not one that we typically factor in when we're sliding our credit card.

      Here's to a better world and better Kindles to come.

    3. Re:as long as books are cheap by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Selling my engineering books is my biggest regret. I swore up and down I'd never need Thermodynamics. I'm a controls engineer...

      Low and behold I'm controlling a thermodynamic system.

      Wiki and other such sites are wonderful, but they're not presented in the medium that I learned them in with the coefficients and with the equations as I learned them.

      Engineers, hold on to your text books. I know that $20 for beer looks good now but you'll want that book later much more than you want the beer now.

    4. Re:as long as books are cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, but you can resell textbooks (unless the author is cynical and updates every year, and also somehow controls the course and thus makes that course require the new book).

      Surely at some point there will be open source textbooks which you can use at your choice of online university that doesn't make you give money to your course lecturer.

    5. Re:as long as books are cheap by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The IP of the authors is what costs the most money.

      close, but wrong, between $.20 to $1.06 goes to the author, $3-$6 is the printing cost: To calculate the royalty you earn per book sold you multiply five percent, or .05, times $20. The result equals $1. So that's the royalty you earn for every book the publisher sells.
      the Publisher eats the majority of the remaining profit. Straight to ebook should remove that overhead and I think reduce the cost by at least 60%.

    6. Re:as long as books are cheap by exploder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Publishers have all sorts of schemes to prevent this from working in practice. Was either of your sons required to buy "Freshman Intro Text, 19th Edition"? Or do any of those texts have an online component?

      God I hate textbook publishers. Graduate texts are much more sane, thankfully.

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    7. Re:as long as books are cheap by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, buying them for both of my sons. Buy used, the resell when done. Net result is low cost.

      Yeah. When I bought that used sociology text (to fulfill the gen-ed requirements for my Comp Sci major), angels parted the clouds and played trumpets as a flock of serving virgins carried it out in a velvet-lined platinum ark.

      When selling it 4 months later (in mint condition because I never actually opened it), the bookstore did me the favor of accepting it without charging me disposal fees.

      But keep the books from your major. You'll like having them down the road.

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    8. Re:as long as books are cheap by Whiternoise · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just to stay on the topic of the Kindle, whilst the paper saving is certainly significant, the portability is what would swing me. It would be rather nice to be able to carry around all my physics and maths textbooks (at university level this equates to a lot of kilograms of book)in something that i can read with one hand. Whilst i do have pdf copies of some of my textbooks, and some books are even good enough to provide a CD with an e copy, it would be nice not to have to get out the laptop when i'm on a train and want to get some work done.

    9. Re:as long as books are cheap by masmullin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      youve got a job now... go re-buy them cheapo!

    10. Re:as long as books are cheap by joebok · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let me preface by saying I'm a huge Kindle fan - I love mine!

      BUT as wonderful as ebook novels are, I don't think any ebook reader I've ever seen would be very useful as text books - at least with current tech. No electronic bookmarking system can compare to a sticky stuck in a book - or even fingers when you need to flip back and forth between a couple different sections to work out a problem. Even the DX screen is small compared to most texts. And pictures/diagrams/drawings? No way - completely inadequate on a Kindle.

      For lit & philosophy classes, sure, I'll take the kindle any day. For calculus, engineering, biology - no way!

    11. Re:as long as books are cheap by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then the publisher makes minor alterations to the text from one year, giving the school and the (school owned?) bookstore the opportunity to phase out last year's book with a nearly identical one. This is planned obsolescence at it's finest.

      This is nearly entirely the publishers. Bookstore prefer used book programs believe it or not. I used to do temp work in the college bookstore at the beginning and end of the semester every year, and while that hardly makes me an expert in the field I know this much. We made higher margins on the used books than we did on the new ones. I don't remember the exact formula, but I believe we bought used books back for 40% and sold them for 75% of their new book value. By contrast we sold new books for a 20% markup or something along those lines. Our manager was always just depressed as anyone else when books went into new editions.

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    12. Re:as long as books are cheap by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

      But at least if you drop a book, you can still pick it up and read it. Worst you do is bend a corner.

      Drop your kindle, its time to cry.

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    13. Re:as long as books are cheap by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Textbooks are expensive only in small part due to the hardcover / high quality paper they're printed on. The IP of the authors is what costs the most money.

      You are focused too much on the supply side; the reason textbooks are expensive has little to do with the cost (either of materials or the IP making up the content) and much to do with the fact that price is not a significant factor in purchase decisions -- they aren't assigned, for the most part, based on a cost:value analysis, and once they are assigned, there generally is no acceptable substitute. Books that are sometimes incidentally used as textbooks whose material quality and IP is no less expensive than other textbooks, but which are also marketed to a wider audience and thus have to be priced to sell to people who have a choice about whether or not to buy them, are often substantially less expensive than textbooks that are marketed only as textbooks.

    14. Re:as long as books are cheap by dunng808 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Tired of whining about the hight cost of textbooks? Invest that time and energy in a project intended to provide a solution.

      The goal of the Open Slate Project is to develope an open-source Kindle-like, Newton-like slate computer, and, to go with it, Chalk Dust educational software and courseware. Chalk Dust is intended to replace textbooks beginning at the high school level (9th - 12th grade), then expand to include college and primary school.

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  8. I would love it as by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a text book replacement.

    Of course colleges would be loathe to give up the money they make selling new books to students each year...

    but...

    it would make the lives of students easier... done right a kiosk could let you download all the stuff you need for each class.

    give me an oil and shock resistant one this size and it means the mechanic has a reference at his fingertips...

    there are so many possibilities and so many with their existing revenue streams endangered...

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    1. Re:I would love it as by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why would they give up the money? they'd still charge you for the textbooks AND you won't be able to lend them (you can't lend just one of your books, you'd have to lend them all, and that usually doesn't work) AND you won't be able to resell them at the end of the semester.

      I think the schoolbook publishing industry will jump in with both feet here, basically completely cutting out the used market and any sort of sharing of books, 1 student = 1 book every semester, it will make them a ton of money; roll it in in the college tuition and it will work even better for them in terms of guaranteed income.

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  9. If you are that paranoid, by aussersterne · · Score: 3, Informative

    there is a switch that you can use to turn wireless off. And it's clear that it actually does so, as turning the switch of extends battery life by a massive margin.

    No wireless, no connection to Amazon.

    You can still get your books, even the DRM ones, just buy them on Amazon, download them, and copy them over with USB.

    We pay almost $500 for the ability to read ebooks using this device's user interface. If another make duplicates it or someone comes up with an open platform that does exactly the same things in the same way with a similar industrial design, I'll be happy to buy it.

    If you don't need ebooks read on e-ink using the Kindle's interface, I don't know why you'd pay $500 for such a Linux platform.

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  10. As a mathematician ... by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I *really* hope that this is finally the device I've been holding out for. I have hundreds of papers in PDF format, most produced using LaTeX, downloaded from the arXiv or elsewhere -- but because it's too much of a pain to read on-screen, I end up printing out several papers a week (dozens or hundreds of pages) just to read and then throw away. Stacks of printouts are gathering chalk dust on my desk, because I need to refer to them frequently, and don't want to print out a fresh copy every time I want to do that. People who complain that this device doesn't have a full-color touchscreen with video capabilities are missing the point: this is meant to replace your printer, not your computer.

    Also, while I'm not a fan of DRM, it still beats the heck out of the "edition wars" in textbook publishing. Because used book sales hurt the market for new books, publishers charge an extortionate amount of money for new textbooks and constantly release new editions (sometimes with trivial changes, like rearranged exercises) to depreciate the value of used books. All else being equal, I'd rather see $40 electronic textbooks that can't be sold back, rather than $200 hardcover monstrosities that get "revised" every other year. (Of course, while this may be the lesser evil, it's still an evil -- I'd much rather assign a book that's freely available, or available in a cheap Dover paperback edition, than do either of these -- so don't flame me, please!)

    Cheers,
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    1. Re:As a mathematician ... by maynard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the Kindle viewer could display LaTeX, you'd have a point. But entering in plain text Tex as annotation, without any rendering back in real math symbols, is not what I call user friendly.

  11. Hierarchical purchasing and the netbook threat by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I suspect that text books are expensive in part because of the hierarchical purchasing structure that amplifies success and failure. It's like the movie industry where in any given year there's only enough theater space, interest and mind share so you have a few collosal winners and a lot of losers that still cost you money.

    As for kindle, I think it is going to get bracketed by apple and die. Let me first say the big hope here is the subscription model. It's perfect for the NYtimes which is best read old school on large paper. (if you don't beleive me, try buying a copy at starbucks and see if you don't find it more satisfying and leisurely to read that way even though in theory the content is the same as the web.)

    Anyhow, the point is given a choice of carrying a kindle plus some a netbook or just a net book and I suspect the netbook wins if it's added features make it compelling enough to outweigh the e-ink legibility advantage.

    Subsidize this netbook with a verizon data-only contract and you have ubiquitous on-the go computing at an affordable price. The key thing here is that both the kindle and the netbook want a cell phone connection. But the Kindle is going to seek subsidy from the content providers whereas the netbook is going to seek subsidy from the deeper pockets of the cell phone providers.

    Right now no one has a netbook that is sufficiently compelling, and kindle's price range puts in mainly in the hands of people who are not price sensitive or need to worry about choosing between two devices.

    But what is going to kill the kindle I think is bracketing by apple. When apple comes out with a high performance netbook it will be something about the same size but with a lot more capability. I expect it will even have game capability. what really set the iPhone apart from all the previous pda-smartphones was it's performance. it has an integrated conformal mattery that I think gives them enough extra juice in a small space to power a much more capable device and they gave it a familiar OS and stack underneath that can run real applications. I suspect apples purchase of freescale and embrace of Nivida chips is aimed squarely at small devices with higher performance.

    kindle won't be able to compete against a device like that.

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    1. Re:Hierarchical purchasing and the netbook threat by infosinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except for one thing--- E-ink. This display technology sets these devices apart from any computer or netbook. The problem is that E-ink is a very poor choice for a general purpose computer--its refresh rate is way too slow. So, unless Apple wants to license E-ink and come up with a book reading device, I kind of doubt they are going to bracket Amazon. I have a very high quality display at home and I will take the Kindle any time for book reading.

    2. Re:Hierarchical purchasing and the netbook threat by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to be under the impression that ebook-readers are all a subset of netbooks. They're not.

      The thing that attracts people to ebook-readers is that you can read them just about anywhere. Find me a reasonably priced lcd/oled screen that you can read outside with the sun beating down on it.

      Second is portability. An ebook-reader the size of a paper back is fine. A portable computer that size isn't really unless we're talking cellphone or pda. Netbooks indicates a keyboard, and I'm yet to find a keyboard in the netbook range that I am able to touch type on - my fingers are quite simply too big (comes with being 194 cm/6'4"). And if I'm getting something with a useless keyboard, why even bother with the keyboard?

      Now, if my netbook is stolen somewhere, I now have to worry about my banking information, budget, private information etc being in someone elses hands. If my ebook-reader is stolen, I now have to download the books to a different reader.

      Also, if you add in a touch screen interface like in the iRex DR 1000S you get an easy way to annotate the books/documents you're reading. While it's entirely possible to get that into a netbook, I'm yet to see anyone market a netbook tablet.

      Will the two converge at one point? Perhaps. But for now I would rather have a good ebook-reader than a great netbook.

  12. True and interesting. by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That is indeed a good question. I know that my wife doesn't get mileage out of the Kindle like I do because she has a vast library in Polish, which Kindle doesn't support.

    I'd love to see them do something more international-friendly in a standards-compliant way.

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  13. I need color, dammit by Jay+Maynard · · Score: 2

    If the Kindle DX had a color display, I'd have ordered one already as a paperless cockpit solution for my airplane. I need to see charts in color. Yes, I know that a big part of the charm of the Kindle is the e-ink display, which enables long battery life...but I'll give some part of that up to get color. I really don't want to spend a couple of kilobucks on a tablet PC.

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  14. Thermodynamics textbooks? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Selling my engineering books is my biggest regret. I swore up and down I'd never need Thermodynamics. I'm a controls engineer...

    Low and behold I'm controlling a thermodynamic system.

    Wiki and other such sites are wonderful, but they're not presented in the medium that I learned them in with the coefficients and with the equations as I learned them.

    Engineers, hold on to your text books. I know that $20 for beer looks good now but you'll want that book later much more than you want the beer now.

    We burn heretics around here. That's the 4th law of thermdynamics.

  15. Re:PDFs Are A Problem, Not A Solution by Cochonou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But being printed on standard paper is the actual fate of the immense majority of documents. Standard size PDF documents are what people want to be able to read on their ereaders, in order to replace printouts. I believe most couldn't care less about the reflowing advantages or customizable typefaces brought by ereaders.

  16. Well mine is well over a year old, by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Informative

    And still no sudden screens saying:

    "TURN ON WIRELESS NOW SO THAT WE CAN DISABLE YOUR DEVICE OR YOUR DEVICE WILL DISABLE ITSELF."

    I guess that's always possible, though.

    Anything's possible.

    Even if it did happen, I've had enough use out of mine that I'd feel as though I got my money's worth.

    By the way: what's stopping your Laptop from doing the same? Or your GSM phone?

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  17. txtr reader by janwedekind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Kindle looks nice and it has a high resolution (1200x824). But I am looking forward to upcoming products such as the txtr reader: Linux-based, hackable, and proper support of DRM-free formats.

  18. Please let the auto-rotate feature be configurable by sekra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't want the reader to rotate into landscape mode when lying down in bed on the side to read.

  19. Re:If Amazon... by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That would be absolutely amazing. I don't think you should have to destroy the book though - you've already paid your fees for the intellectual property, plus the printing, Amazon should just charge for the digital distribution. So, basically, any book that you've bought through Amazon in print you can get on Kindle for 99 cents (much more than actual distribution costs, I know, but this is more likely).

  20. ixnay on the eyboardkay by Eil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll buy one when they don't come with a useless space-occupying damn physical keyboard.

  21. Not quite right, I'm afraid, and I wish it was... by Garwulf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not quite right, I'm afraid, and for reasons that are downright embarrassing, speaking as a publisher of a textbook...

    It's not the IP of the author that's the expensive bit. In fact, it would be lovely and wonderful if it was. Unfortunately, that's not what is happening.

    Most of the time, when a textbook is put into print, all the copyrights are bought by the textbook company. The author(s) get a royalty, but they've lost the rights. The textbook is then marketed to universities, where a captive market is put together. So, once you have the students forced to buy the book because it's the course textbook, the publisher can price it however it pleases. And it does. The students get ass-raped, and the authors may very well be exploited alongside them.

    And that's how a book that shouldn't cost the end reader more than $50 on a bad day becomes a $120 book. No prima donna authors about it. And don't think for one minute the book being offered as an e-book will change that.

    (And no, I won't touch those practices with a 10-foot pole. That sort of thing is absolutely disgraceful. The textbook I published, a book on ancient humour, prices out at $32.95 USD to the reader, and the only reason it is at that price is that at the time it was put to the printer the Canadian dollar looked like it was going to stabilize at around $1.10 USD. And, I might add, the copyrights on all of the books I publish belong to the authors.)

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