Slashdot Mirror


A Look Back At the World's First Netbook

Not-A-Microsoft-Fan writes with this excerpt from The Coffee Desk: "Netbooks are making huge waves within the hardware and software industries today, but not many would believe that the whole Netbook craze actually started back around 1996 with the Toshiba Libretto 70CT. Termed technically as a subnotebook because of its small dimensions, the computer is the first that fits all of the qualifications of being what we would term a netbook today, due in part to its built-in Infrared and PCMCIA hardware, and its (albeit early) web browsing software. The hardware includes the two (potentially) wireless PCMCIA and infrared network connections, Windows 95 OSR 2 with Internet Explorer 2.0, a whole 16MB of RAM and a 120Mhz Intel Pentium processor (we're flying now!)."

143 comments

  1. Not the first netbook... by AdamInParadise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... since it was expensive as hell. Small notebooks have existed for a long time. The novelty of the Asus EEEPC was that it was cheap (and flimsy): it demonstrated that there was an untapped market for this kind of computers.

    --
    Nobox: Only simple products.
    1. Re:Not the first netbook... by smoatigah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Completely. We always have had subnotebooks, ever since they could make parts small enough. The big thing which made netbooks popular was the fact that you could pick one up for a couple hundred bucks and not worry about throwing it in your bag. Totally useless article if you ask me.

    2. Re:Not the first netbook... by Crock23A · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed. We had one of those libretto's at work and it was definitely not cheap. The novelty of it was amazing though. At some point we tried to load XP on it but it just choked. Windows 2000 installed fairly well though. I wonder if it is still around. I'd like to give Ubuntu a try on it.

    3. Re:Not the first netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wouldn't say flimsy. I can't count the number of times I've dropped, spilled soda on, or accidentally wedge other items into, my Asus EEE 701 and been surprised when it still booted up fine.

    4. Re:Not the first netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, how about Apple's eMate as the first netbook then?
      It came out in 1997, and cost $800 at a time when powerbooks were up around $5000.

      It was even ARM based, and netbooks are starting to get back into that architecture now.

    5. Re:Not the first netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the point - most computers were more expensive back then than they are now, so comparatively it is around the same price as a modern netbook if you do price conversions.

    6. Re:Not the first netbook... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Not the first netbook... since it was expensive as hell.

      Yep. This is like people claiming that CDTVs were the first convergence of games consoles, TV, optical disc players, stereo/surround sound, and front room hi-fi entertainment centres. Aside from that not being true, it was underpowered so that it didn't have the appeal of later devices, it was marketed poorly in a world that wasn't ready (it would have needed to be marketed better). The result is that it was just a cheap console version of an amiga that was too old to run the latest games already, and that no one really saw it as what it was marketed as. Even if it technically could have kicked things off, it didn't. It was much later, when the world was ready, that the playstation 2 etc. really started to make that market. Arguably, the market has actually gone in entirely the opposite direction, as more divergence with things like cheaper hi-fis and ipods and car-dash-mounted mp3 players have redefined things.

    7. Re:Not the first netbook... by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aah the old media statistics game. It goes a little something like this:

      1. Decide what conclusion you want to arrive at.
      2. Find a few random facts.
      3. Redefine your assumptions so the facts suit your previously decided upon conclusion.

      Given a population willing to swallow this BS, why should the modern media concern itself with trivialities like truth and objectivity?

      --
      I hate printers.
    8. Re:Not the first netbook... by Michael+Neuffer · · Score: 1

      The real first netbook was the Atari Portfolio from 1989....
      8088 based and running DOS.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Portfolio

    9. Re:Not the first netbook... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      This is like people claiming that CDTVs were the first convergence of games consoles, TV, optical disc players, stereo/surround sound, and front room hi-fi entertainment centres. ... that the playstation 2 etc. really started to make that market.

      It's also just like people claiming that Playstations 2 did it first.

      I can't say I've heard a common argument that the CDTV did things first (except in response to someone claiming something else did it first, at a later date - e.g., "Imacs were the first to drop floppy disks!"). The point is that a lot of "firsts" when it comes to vague concepts like convergence, or netbooks, are ill-defined.

      Now the CDTV wasn't first, because at least the CDi came out before it (I think?). But the rest of your arguments don't make sense - if we're talking about what was first, it doesn't matter if a device was poorly marketed or not very good (I remember how the people in Amiga community themselves generally seemed to dislike the CDTV). Similarly it doesn't matter whether it "kicked off" anything. A classification of "First, except for things that were 'too early'" isn't a very well-defined category at all...

      And I also fail to see how this is like the netbook issue at all - the OP put forward the reasonable claim that being cheap was a fundamental part of the definition of the "netbook", which doesn't relate to your criticisms of the CDTV.

    10. Re:Not the first netbook... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, since the term "netbook" was only popularised with the advent of cheap devices, it's reasonable to consider it part of the definition.

      However, that's not necessarily a definition everyone agrees with - you also have to be careful of biasing the result (devices which are "first" will often have been released before a common term for the device became popular - precisely because they were first). So I think it's still interesting to ask "What was the first computer that was as small as today's netbooks, and offered wireless Internet access?" - regardless of cost.

    11. Re:Not the first netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Apple invents everything as the shills, I mean journalists, at The Irish Times tell us.

    12. Re:Not the first netbook... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      "Truth and objectivity" is awfully high-minded for a subclass of notebooks that isn't well-defined in the first place. "The whole netbook craze" (quoting the blurb) doesn't exist in the first place. Yes, the low-end laptop market keeps getting lower. Big deal.

    13. Re:Not the first netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most computers were more expensive back then than they are now

      That's absolutely right - most of these people don't understand that $2000 for a laptop of those proportions back then made it the netbook of it's time.

    14. Re:Not the first netbook... by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      "Totally useless article if you ask me."

      Then why's it slashdotted so bad I can't even bring it up? Huh? Hmmm?? And WTF!!?

    15. Re:Not the first netbook... by Molochi · · Score: 1

      The market for a small notebook not specifically designed to be cheap still exists and they aren't marketed as netbooks. If you take "race to the bottom" out of the equation you're talking about a SubNotebook or an Ultraportable.

      Netbook is a marketing term to describe the reduced utilty you wind up with, when you design an Ulraportable with cost as your first concern.

      --
      "The Adobe Updater must update itself before it can check for updates. Would you like to update the Adobe Updater now?"
    16. Re:Not the first netbook... by POTSandPANS · · Score: 1

      What about the one John Connor used to hack into the ATM in Terminator 2?

    17. Re:Not the first netbook... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but in that sense the question of "What was the first netbook?" is no longer a question of technology, but one of marketing, because it's then down to who was first to use that term. It would be like asking "What was the first notebook?" and then ignoring laptops on the grounds they weren't the first to use the term "notebook".

    18. Re:Not the first netbook... by kzieli · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. Asus was not the first on this either. Back in 2000 I brought a loverly little computer with a pentium MMX processor and an 8 inch touch screen running at 800X600 resolution. which gave it over 100 dpi. The thing which really set it appart was that it came with a touch screen and even had permenent (and configurable) side panel Icons on both sides). It came with an external CD Rom and floppy drive. And the whole package was still the cheapest laptop in the store at the time. Granted everything else was Pentium II. so it was a little under powered. Still it served me well for a number of years until the battery wore out and the touch screen started loosing calibration.

      --
      read my mind at http://the-willows.blogspot.com/
    19. Re:Not the first netbook... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I wonder if it is still around. I'd like to give Ubuntu a try on it."

      Damn Small Linux would be a better fit for that hardware.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    20. Re:Not the first netbook... by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Not at all.

      I'd use the term netbook to describe a windows 95 era subnotebook like the libretto if it was too slow to run Windows 95 so you had to run Win3.11 and it cost about half the price of a much faster subnotebook that could run Win95 pretty well.

      The Libretto was actually a nice piece of kit and it wasn't cheap at all. So I wouldn't really call it a netbook.

      --
      "The Adobe Updater must update itself before it can check for updates. Would you like to update the Adobe Updater now?"
    21. Re:Not the first netbook... by Arker · · Score: 1

      I dont think the price should disqualify it (everything is more expensive at first and price drops over time and volume) but a real netbook uses flash ram for storage, not a hard drive, so I do agree with you in the end - not a netbook.

      --
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
      Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
    22. Re:Not the first netbook... by wwwillem · · Score: 1

      In 1998 I bought my Libretto 50CT, running Windows 95. I used it as my "one and only" compute platform during a four month 7200 km bicycle journey to keep up a website. By now that would be called a blog, just as that my Libretto would now be called a Netbook. Who cares.... The funny thing is the remark that a netbook is only a netbook when it has SSD. I fully agree with that, therefore this years netbooks are in my book simply low powered, cheap laptops.

      But my Libretto had a harddisk of just 780 MB, yep you read that right, not GB. And there are plenty of HOWTO's for how to install Linux on these VCR cassettes. So, I just got the parts together to convert my Libretto into a "real" :-) netbook. Somewhere in a drawer, I still have a 2 GB Compact Flash card (hey, that's tripling the disk space) and for 10 bucks on eBay I got a CF -> IDE converter. Nice little project coming....

      --
      Browsers shouldn't have a back button!! It's all about going forward...
    23. Re:Not the first netbook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It demonstrated it, but I knew for ages that I would pay for obsolete hardware as long as it was programmable and had ridiculously long battery life. I would still pay(obviously with the right price tag) for a portable equivalent of 1980s microcomputers.

    24. Re:Not the first netbook... by Arker · · Score: 1

      Nice. I had a Toshiba for some years that was definitely NOT a netbook, this was back before most had heard of the net, and it was definitely bigger and heavier than an EeePC, plus no SSD. But it did have DOS burnt on ROM, 2mb ram part of which was configured for ramdisk by default, and a floppy drive. Lighter and longer battery life than models with a hard drive, so I do think of it as a sort of remote ancestor to the netbooks. And yes, the newer "netbooks" do seem to be more accurately called mini-notebooks, what with those hard drives ruining the design.

      --
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
      Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
  2. What about... by anss123 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those Sinclair machines of the eighties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88

    Does not fold, but is small light and battery powered. Probably more PDA like though.

    1. Re:What about... by wjh31 · · Score: 1

      you said it, its more pda than netbook, since it doesnt have any means of accessing the internet, nor any browser software

    2. Re:What about... by MROD · · Score: 1

      Well, it would be tricky to have those seeing as:

      (a) The web hadn't been invented yet.

      and,

      (b) The Internet (as such) didn't exist, it was ARPAnet and restricted to research and US military sites (with a few places outside the USA, such as UCL, having a link).

      It did have a serial port, which meant that it COULD be used as a communications device, just as any other personal computer of its day.

      --

      Agrajag: "Oh no, not again!"
    3. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the Radio Shack Model 100 from 1983 versus 1988 for the Sinclair.

  3. define define define by markdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Determining when "Netbooks" arrived completely depends on your definition of what a Netbook is. In my definition, the Libbreto was/is not a "Netbook". Everyone will argue over what makes something a "Netbook" or not. I prefer to base it on concepts and specs from what was FIRST called a Netbook (which were the original Asus EEE's):

    1) Physically small sub-notebook
    2) Modest processor (compared to low-end main-line)
    3) Smaller/lower res screen (smaller than typical sub-notebooks)
    4) Solid state hard drive (Flash-based, rugged, lower power)
    5) Runs Linux (no additional OS cost, better performance)
    6) Lower costs (compared to low-end main-line)
    7) Excellent battery life (compared to low-end main-line)

    Those are the 7 things that opened the market and created the concept of the "Netbook". I have been running many small, sub-notebooks for well over a decade (Sony, Dell, etc), yet, none of them combined the above elements. They were generally MUCH MORE expensive than other notebooks, had hard drives, forced MS Windows bundled, and mediocre battery life.

    Take a Netbook, add more memory, add MS Windows, replace the flash drive with a hard drive, jack the price up 33-50%, and it is still a Netbook? Not to me- it is just a sub-notebook at that point.

    1. Re:define define define by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      8) Internal wireless networking.

      After all, it is a Netbook. Anything PCMCIA, or dongles hanging out of USB ports, totally kills portability.

    2. Re:define define define by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the netBook was the first Netbook according to your definition then. It can run Linux, although it shipped with Symbian (no additional OS cost and better performance still hold, however, since Symbian was owned by Psion at the time).

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    3. Re:define define define by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Definition of "Netbook": "Toy laptop" or "Toy notebook" - pick one.

    4. Re:define define define by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Although the Psion Series 7/netBook was rather expensive, especially compared to low-end mainstream laptops of the time.

    5. Re:define define define by salesgeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pretty much nailed the Libretto, except the flash drive and Wifi, which in '97 was largely non-existent. Calling the Libretto the forerunner to today's netbooks is accurate. Having owned a Libretto, it immediately came to mind when I first saw what we are calling netbooks.

      So far as your standards, the Libretto met them all, save one, which basically didn't exist:

      #4) solid state drive. Didn't exist then, and doesn't sell well vs. a hard drive now.

      The Libretto would get checks across the board on everything else. Even it's base price of $1,295 with a passive color screen was very cheap back then.

      --
      -- $G
    6. Re:define define define by Jawbreaker4Fs · · Score: 1

      Many versions of the EEEPC fail 4 and 5, so I'm struggling to realize how you can criticize the Libretto for failing 4, 5 and 6.

    7. Re:define define define by markdavis · · Score: 1

      You are correct that many of the more recent EEE's fail #4 and #5, and thus are not Netbooks at all, they are just sub-notebooks. But I was never "criticizing" the Libretto. It was what it was. I liked it, too. I have always loved small machines and have used lots of them.

    8. Re:define define define by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      1) Physically small sub-notebook

      It's the size of a VHS tape (if you can remember what those were

      2) Modest processor (compared to low-end main-line)

      Even in 1997, the Pentium 90 was pretty modest. Pentium II in the mid-300s weren't uncommon in laptops by then

      3) Smaller/lower res screen (smaller than typical sub-notebooks)

      640x480 screen (very clear and readable too) compared to typically 800x600 or even 1024x768 on high-end machines

      4) Solid state hard drive (Flash-based, rugged, lower power)

      Wasn't invented 12 years ago, arguably not that brilliant even now. If you wanted you could have pulled the Libretto's IDE drive and replaced it with a CF card on an adaptor.

      5) Runs Linux (no additional OS cost, better performance)

      The first Libretto I ever saw was dual-boot Linux and Windows 95, and mostly ran Linux. Very nicely, too.

      6) Lower costs (compared to low-end main-line)
      When it came out it was about 2/3 the price of a decent "big" laptop. By 1999 it was down to less than £500.

      7) Excellent battery life (compared to low-end main-line)

      I can't remember what they were like new, but even now on its original battery my Libretto 70CT runs for about four hours.

      So, what was your point, exactly?

    9. Re:define define define by markdavis · · Score: 1

      So, a horse and buggy is an automobile? Well, they didn't have engines back then. But it got one from point A to point B. It seated multiple people. Etc...

      Going backwards in time and calling a Libretto a "Netbook" is just about as silly. It didn't have wireless networking, didn't come loaded with Linux, and didn't have solid state storage... dismissing those is throwing away much of the whole concept of a Netbook.

      My point was (and still is), that Asus essentially invented the term, and applied it to a particular type of machine with a combined feature set and positioning that didn't really exist before. Even Asus violated the principles of a Netbook when then started making them as large as other sub-notebooks, adding hard drives, loading them with MS Windows, and jacking up the price.

      Back when I was drooling over the Libretto, we called them "palmtops", since even the term "sub notebook" had not been invented yet. On the flip side, I think it is funny people calling these desktop-replacement luggables with 17" screens "laptops"... not something *I* would want to try and put on my lap!

    10. Re:define define define by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      you said:
      >#4) solid state drive. Didn't exist then, and doesn't sell well vs. a hard drive now.

      Well, there were a number of even earlier laptops which had solid-state persistent storage:

        - GRiD Compass (also the later GRiD Case) --- ~768Kb of Bubble memory
        - NEC Ultralight - 1 or 2MB of RAM w/ battery backing

      William
      (who owned a GRiDCase III plus and an NEC Ultralite 2MB model)

      --
      Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
    11. Re:define define define by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Net != Portability. They were made to simply jack in to a network when needed. 1997 wasn't a big year for wireless or 3G.

  4. I've seen one of those by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

    I saw one of those for sale at a computer faire quite a few years ago. I was tempted to buy it for the novelty, but I was young and poor at the time.

    Now I have an eee 901.

  5. Don't forget the battery by mc1138 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Twenty minutes of work time and ten hours of charging time!

    1. Re:Don't forget the battery by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Annnnd this is funny why? The poster obviously has never used one of these. I was mucking about with one a few weeks ago and the damn thing lasted for over 4 hours! Hell I'm sure that battery in it was over 5 years old too. Damn slick machine.

  6. Yeah, they were pretty sweet. by sootman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had one for a while. Got it from a friend, then gave it to my dad after barely using it for 6 months. But it was definitely neat. The coolest thing about it (at the time) was being that small but running a full OS, not Palm or CE or anything, and with a real CPU. Mine had a P75, 4 GB hard drive, and dual-booted Win98 and RedHat 7. The former owner was a network admin who carried it around and used the serial port to talk to routers. Having a hardware fetish, I bought it from him when he no longer needed it but I found that, as neat as it was, I really didn't have much use for it. (Before wireless Internet was everywhere, having a notebook on hand wasn't that useful unless you were a writer or traveling to places that had network jacks.) So I gave it to my dad so he'd have something small to take to LUG meetings. One thing--it was definitely a conversation-starter. If you pulled it out in a public place you'd have questions from everyone around you.

    --
    Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
    1. Re:Yeah, they were pretty sweet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've actually still got my Toshiba Libretta! :-) (It's gathering dust...I use an Acer Aspire One nowadays...running only linux, of course :-)).

      Bought it in Seoul and used it in a small town called Haenam, South Korea, in the late 90s. It was a godsend, at that time, and I connected to the net using the ethernet connection.

      It was (and still is) pretty cool. A complete Win 95 machine in a small netbook size package.

      But you'll only get the linux Acer Aspire One when you pry it from my cold, dead hands...:-)

    2. Re:Yeah, they were pretty sweet. by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      it was definitely a conversation-starter. If you pulled it out in a public place you'd have questions from everyone around you.

      You'd also have to be handsome too.

      I'm short, fat, ugly, and I carry an Eee 901 white. Nobody has ever approached me.

      I wonder if I paste pink flowers on it ...

    3. Re:Yeah, they were pretty sweet. by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      But you'll only get the linux Acer Aspire One when you pry it from my cold, dead hands...:-)

      That's okay, I'll use my Linux Sony Vaio P netbook (1.4 pounds) instead.

      (Looking at my empty pockets and long nose ...)

    4. Re:Yeah, they were pretty sweet. by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      We did some development for the DoD on some of these things (running NT4).

      Very nice platform.

      --
      Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
  7. The slashdot effect strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Website is slashdotted :(

    1. Re:The slashdot effect strikes again by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pictures and the Mother's day rush killed our 2Mbps cable bandwidth; here's a "mirror":

      Netbooks are making huge waves within the hardware and software industries today, but not many would believe that the whole Netbook craze actually started back around 1996 with the Toshiba Libretto 70CT. Termed technically as a subnotebook because of its small dimensions (given below), the computer is the first that fits all of the qualifications of being what we would call a Netbook today, due in part to its built-in Infrared and PCMCIA hardware, and itâ(TM)s (albeit early) web browsing software. The First Netbook Computer

      The First Netbook Computer

      The hardware includes the two (potentially) wireless PCMCIA and Infrared network connections, Windows 95 OSR 2 with Internet Explorer 2.0, a whole 16MB of RAM and a 120Mhz Intel Pentium processor (weâ(TM)re flying now!).

      A further look at the hardware reveals even more Netbook-ish hardware/software trends (and pictures below), given todayâ(TM)s standards for Netbook qualifications.

      The Libretto (70CT) was certainly not the first small (8â) form factor laptop produced in the early 90â(TM)s, but it was the first to be considered a Netbook given todayâ(TM)s standards because of itâ(TM)s PCMCIA and Infrared connections, used for wireless network connectivity and possibly even via a phone card. The inclusion of Internet Explorer 2.0 within the software also contributes to its ability to be officially termed a âoeNetbookâ (more on this below).

      The hardware includes an 8â wide, 5â deep and almost 1.5â form factor containing a whopping 16MB of RAM, a 120Mhz Intel Pentium processor (with added MMX technology!) and a whole 30-45 minutes of battery life.

      The software running on the âoeNetbookâ is Windows 95 OSR2, with Included Internet Explorer 2.0 and the Windows 95 Plus! pack of software. The mouse is the nub/nipple/clit mouse, given the lack of trackpad hardware and the only alternative being the bulky ball-based mice of the time, and the actual mouse buttons are mounted on the back.

      I donâ(TM)t consider Internet Explorer 2.0 being the most supported browser for web-based applications (hell, I donâ(TM)t even support 6 or 7), and 16MB doesnâ(TM)t sound like a whole lot of RAM for storing a large web page and JavaScript into memory along with the operating system, but around the year 1996 this laptop/subnotebook/netbook would meet all the requirements given its environment to be called a Netbook as we would today.

      Other hardware besides what was listed above includes a (HiFi?) 1/4â sound port on the back, a mono speaker on the front above the mouse, and a proprietary docking port on the bottom.

      The Pentium MMX and bulky battery connector doesnâ(TM)t exactly make this ACPI-lacking portable the most environmentally-friendly book of all time, but it is certain that it must have gotten the job done in its time.

      The screen was a very low-resolution (640Ã--480) 5â LCD screen, leaving enough room on the front for the mouse, speaker, power button, and all-too-important logos of Intel and Toshiba.

      While I write this largely with humorous intent, it is worth noting the satire I intend to make of the industryâ(TM)s buzzwords for modern products that sometimes have been out for quite a while, e.g. cloud computing versus clustering/distributed applications and âoehigh-speed Internetâ versus what a T1/ATM connection was over decade ago.

      Also, something patent trolls working for Toshiba might wish to investigate are the 22 patents listed on the bottom of the Libretto model (pictured below). What these patents cover and how many modern netbooks/subnotebooks violate these are unknown to me, although Iâ(TM)m sure you could find a few with the right research as these patents were approved less than 25 years ago.

      Picture Gallery

      These (possibly slow-loading) pictures display several features of the computer, displaying as many of its features as possible (and probably killing our bandwidth): (and indeed they did)

    2. Re:The slashdot effect strikes again by WhatDoIKnow · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:The slashdot effect strikes again by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      That's what I'm wondering. I have one, or two of those still. I think there is an issue with the power cord. But I am looking forward to have it up and running, complete with Windows 95. Too bad I think IE is so obsolete it probably won't be able to browse today's humongous webpages.

    4. Re:The slashdot effect strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Are you dense?!? That's a Handbook not a Netbook... Jeez, some people...

  8. I thought this was the first Netbook: by yanyan · · Score: 5, Informative

    I thought this was the first Netbook:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_netBook

    1. Re:I thought this was the first Netbook: by b0j3 · · Score: 1

      That's right. I guess Psion's netbook are better known in Europe than rest of the world.

    2. Re:I thought this was the first Netbook: by mzs · · Score: 1

      Psion made the even smaller things before that. I was always enamored by the HP 95LX:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_95LX

      They also cost $400 when the later HP 200 series came-out, so a netbook-like price but much smaller.

  9. Owned one by Hardball · · Score: 1

    I bought one of these back in 1996 via an importer for ~$1600. It was about the size of a VHS tape. I liked the side-mounted eraser head mouse, but the keyboard was almost too small for touch typing. It was much nicer than the competing IBM model, which (if I remember correctly) had a side-talkin phone built in.

    Sold it a few months later for $3000. Good times.

  10. Sharp Muramasa by Tweenk · · Score: 1

    I once used a Libretto 100CT. It's very small even by today's netbook standards. The trackpoint is placed in a very weird spot. But the portability rocked.

    Another interesting "proto-netbook" machines I have seen are Fujitsu B110 Lifebook, the Sharp Mebius line (I still have a Japanese version of it laying around - it was fantastic to use, but now I've moved to a HP TC1100 because the headphone jack broke) and more recently Sharp Muramasa. The latter one is more or less equivalent to a good quality modern netbook (1 GHz CPU, up to 512 MB RAM, long battery life, 1024x768 resolution), but it costed a fortune when it was new.

    I also remember owning a very small subnotebook a long time ago (~6 years?) that fried my lap and could be used as an iron, but I can't remember the make or the model.

    In a word, the only thing that changed with netbooks is that they made the once exclusive category of subnotebooks financially accessible to the general public.

    --
    Those who would give up liberty to obtain working drivers, deserve neither liberty nor working drivers.
  11. Depends on how you define netbook by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    We all have our own idea of what a netbook is/was.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  12. I have one of those... by warlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A Libretto 100CT in fact, with the widescreen 7.1" TFT display (800x480), Intel Pentium 166Mhz MMX overclocked to 233Mhz, 32MB RAM upgraded to 64MB (couldn't handle more) and a 2.1GB HD which I replaced with a 20GB one. I later added a 802.11b WiFi and made quite a good web surfing machine with FreeBSD + Netscape and Firefox later on...

    I've been using it regularly until 2004 and then on and off until 2006 or so. It's resting in a box down at the basement now.

    Having used a small machine like that is what made me immune to the netbook craze while everybody around me thinks they're so cool and useful and have been buying small cheap machines and finding out how particularly useless they are...

    IMNSHO they're too small to be useful for most kinds of real work and to big to carry around or surf while, say in bed - I'm much better off now with a regular laptop that I can get real work done and an iPhone that I can surf the web casually wherever I may be.

    1. Re:I have one of those... by imp · · Score: 1

      I had a Libretto 50CT, which pre-dated the 70CT. I loved the size (it was almost exactly the same size as a VCR tape) for portability. Had a slow Pentium processor in it. I dropped mine and the warrantee couldn't fix it so it was replaced by a Sony that I didn't like as much.

      The keyboard was small, and kinda hard to type on. But I got used to it. I did a lot of development on FreeBSD PC Card and CardBus stacks on that little box. I do miss it, except when I need to see a lot of data on the screen. Then I like my newer laptops better...

      There was also this crazy libretto mailing list for hacking the suckers. People posted how to overclock them by soldering and removing 0 ohm resistors, how to build car power supplies (I built one and learned a lot), how to add brightness enhancing films, how to hook up better microphones, etc. These things found their way into lots of small environments before the Soekris boxes became popular for such things.

      But having used it, I do know what the limitations of the new crop of netbooks have. They are kinda cool, and all run FreeBSD very well, but I haven't jumped in yet... My life has changed a lot since I had the Libretto and I'm no longer sure it is a good fit. I like the bigger text on my "newer" laptop, but miss all the quirkiness of the Libretto....

    2. Re:I have one of those... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Mmmmm I think I had a similar experience with something that killed netbooks. Just allot later. Had a Fujitsu P7120. That thing is what netbooks today wish they could be. Such a shame Centrino was a bust. Today I just use my Fujitsu S3050D. Such a nice & light machine. Certainly a trade-off ditching a traditional keyboard though. Worth it too!

  13. Tandy Model 100 by speedtux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "netbook craze" started with the EEE PC. There was no "craze" before then because small laptops were expensive.

    If there was anything like the netbook craze before, it may have been the Tandy Model 100, a small, lightweight, inexpensive computer with built-in modem that's popular even today with writers. In fact, I think a netbook in that form factor (flat, screen and keyboard open, AA battery powered) would still be nice.

    http://oldcomputers.net/trs100.html

    1. Re:Tandy Model 100 by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In fact, I think a netbook in that form factor (flat, screen and keyboard open, AA battery powered) would still be nice.

      I agree, but I think there will be more people complaining then not. For example while I prefer things to be powered with batteries that aren't rechargeable (because when I'm traveling, its trivial to buy a pack of AA batteries, while hard to be near a power source for any extended length of time that is the correct voltage) but a lot of people will look at that as a flaw. There isn't going to be a way to make the screen really... work, unless you have it be more like E-ink, glare is just too much of an issue, just look at the Nintendo Game Boy. Then there is the keyboard issue. Its going to be hard to make a lasting keyboard that is A) Cheap B) Doesn't get junk in between the keys and C) Has room for a trackpad. I can see this being a great product, but I can't see it being popular with the masses like the Tandy 100 was.

      --
      Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
    2. Re:Tandy Model 100 by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the Trash 80 is a good contender. It could be argued that [low] price is one of the defining features of a netbook.

      Other contenders...
      History of Laptop Computers

    3. Re:Tandy Model 100 by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Absolutely. The enabling technology for the netbook craze was not only small processors, but also widespread wireless internet connections with web and email. Given this, dating the netbook to 1996 is a bit early, as the wireless connections were not widely available until nearer to 2000. The idea of such computers is to provide relatively full range of functionality in a small device.

      Prior to this we have other small computers, not all cheap. The newton had a PCMCIA slot that could connect it to a network, allowing it to do everything that an average computer user might do. In the previous time frame, Tandy owned the market, with the model 100 and 200. Since the internet did not exist yet in the current form, there was little need for networking on these machines. They provided full functionality for the average user. Even the Tandy pc-6 was a contender in this catagory.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    4. Re:Tandy Model 100 by kyoorius · · Score: 1

      I still have my POQET PC, which runs off 2 AA batteries and is smaller than the TRS100.

      Was too cheap to buy the serial interface cable, so I found the dimensions, etched a PCB connector, dialed into the university network and accessed the internet via Lynx browser. Does that make it a netbook? Actually it was more like a net-palmtop.

      http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/poqet-pc/index.html

    5. Re:Tandy Model 100 by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      The Model 100 definitely counts as the first "net"book, IMO.

      Onboard hardware to connect to the main method of networking personal computers at the time, low cost, low power, very portable.

    6. Re:Tandy Model 100 by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If there was anything like the netbook craze before, it may have been the Tandy Model 100, a small, lightweight, inexpensive computer with built-in modem that's popular even today with writers. In fact, I think a netbook in that form factor (flat, screen and keyboard open, AA battery powered) would still be nice.

      I reckon I could build one of those around an atmel microcontroller. LCD display modules are very cheap now. The keyboard could probably be hacked up pretty easily.

    7. Re:Tandy Model 100 by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the Trash 80 is a good contender.

      I don't think the TRS-80 would make a good laptop.

    8. Re:Tandy Model 100 by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      http://www.neo-direct.com/Dana/

      Unfortunately, they don't seem to have been able to price their product reasonably. $450 might have been an acceptable price in 1997, five years before it came out, but it's just silly to charge that much for something that really ought to be cheap, almost throwaway, based on specs.

      --
      Can you be Even More Awesome?!
    9. Re:Tandy Model 100 by vaporland · · Score: 1

      I remember those too - you could access CompuServe and GEnie with them - so I would say yes, that was definitely the netbook of its day...

      --
      Ask Me About... The 80's!
    10. Re:Tandy Model 100 by speedtux · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I'm thinking more of an updated version of it: as thin as an Amazon DX, running Linux, with a nearly full-sized (if flat) membrane keyboard, a decent LCD screen, and maybe just a thicker tube at the top for holding the batteries. And all for a bit less money than an EEE PC.

    11. Re:Tandy Model 100 by speedtux · · Score: 1

      If they made that a lot thinner, made the screen a bit bigger, and put Linux on it, I think it would be OK, even at that price.

  14. Craze? by danhm · · Score: 1

    That's not when the netbook craze started! The craze is a recent event; that product predates it.

  15. Nope. by saihung · · Score: 1

    My 60CT wasn't a netbook for one very simple reason: no net. The thing didn't have built-in connectivity of any kind.

    1. Re:Nope. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      The thing didn't have built-in connectivity of any kind.

      It did have an IrDA interface. I used to connect to the Internet in cafes by sitting my Ericsson mobile phone behind my Libretto 50CT communicating via infrared.

  16. I'm offended by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1, Troll
    Anyone else get tired of the snide remarks about the hardware? And the stupid "environmental" digs at the CPU? How come no one ever slams software for needing dual core 2GHz processors ... to browse the Web or take notes? How about writing software that can still run on 10+ year old hardware, wouldn't that be better for the environment than needing a world-wide oil-driven infrastructure to make the new CPUs and chips and plastic cases?

    Oh but no, that would need actual programmers (instead of drag and dropper "programmers"), and it's easier to mock hardware than admit that there's something deeply wrong with modern software.

    --
    Mostly random stuff.
    1. Re:I'm offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have a very cushy life if something as piss anty as software not running on ten year old hardware offends you. Can I have your life?

    2. Re:I'm offended by RDW · · Score: 1

      'How about writing software that can still run on 10+ year old hardware, wouldn't that be better for the environment than needing a world-wide oil-driven infrastructure to make the new CPUs and chips and plastic cases?'

      Software bloat it annoying, of course, but a lot of feature-rich 'netbook applications' already exist, if you don't insist on this year's release. I'm probably not the only one to have replaced an ageing P4 notebook with an Atom-based netbook, which in most respects is an upgrade over the original hardware (cpu about as fast, much larger HD, can accept 2Gb RAM - only the smaller screen is a downgrade). When in Windows, I'm running Photoshop 7 and Office 2000, as well as the current Firefox (just as I did on the old machine) and for most purposes performance isn't an issue (I don't miss many features of the CS3 or Office 2007 I might use on a desktop). But it is true that for some applications well outside the intended use of this hardware, a really well written piece of software can make a big difference. Decoding 720p video in real time is impossible with most software, but Media Player Classic in combination with the super efficient CoreAVC codec manages perfectly well.

      Older hardware like my P4 laptop would obviously perform similarly, but the new gear beats it soundly in rather important areas like built-in connectivity and battery life. But rather more tellingly, the old laptop is now defunct - this technology isn't designed to last indefinitely, and soon becomes uneconomical to repair (perhaps because we aren't paying the real cost of disposal of the old stuff?).

    3. Re:I'm offended by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Good point. I bet there's a lot of "synthetic" bloat in modern software. There would not be need for nearly as beefy hardware if things were done properly. And we would save lots of power.

      I've been watching the Dillo project for a couple of years. By design a very smart and light browser, although the web is developing so fast that the guys are having hard time implementing some of the essentials...

      2GHz should be the requirement for something like heavy mathematical computation, NOT web browsing.

    4. Re:I'm offended by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      What offended were all these environmental claims about power dissipation of a 10 year old CPU. As if the energy and resources required to make all the new ones doesn't count. You want to be environmentally friendly? Take it all into account. Don't just pay lip service. That's what offended me. And it's Sunday, I don't work today, so I needed something else to upset me. :)

      --
      Mostly random stuff.
    5. Re:I'm offended by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      Nice! Mod me down instead of debating the point! Thanks Slashbots! I dared defy the groupthink of the cult of programmers! Bad hardware!

      --
      Mostly random stuff.
    6. Re:I'm offended by PenisLands · · Score: 0

      If I had points, I'd give you an "insightful" rating.

  17. Quick inventory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this house, just now I counted a Libretto 30 in the kitchen (wife plays games, but I got her a netbook for the other room), and a Libretto 100 as a WiFi LAN print server. The 3 others are in cupboards, 1 sadly zonked by airport x-rays (I used to travel). Nice items, but won't step up to XP and you can't get the extra memory now.

  18. Mac Powerbook Duo 210 by beadfulthings · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mine is 1992 vintage and actually still works, though it is getting more difficult to move files between it and the newer stuff around here. Its chef virtue is that it weighs practically nothing and can be connected to its dock, which includes a floppy disk drive and place for a full-sized keyboard. Has a reasonably respectable 4mb of RAM and a whopping 80mb hard drive. I used it for years to write up notes. It's no good as a netbook because it can't use a browser compatible with most of today's Internet; it's got an early version of Mosaic on it.

    I actually replaced it just this past Christmas with an HP mini netbook. I'm relatively happy with it, but as with its predecessor, all I do with it is carry it around to write up notes.

    --
    "Here's what's happening. You're starting to drive like your Dad..." - Red Green
  19. Can be used as a webserver by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... in fact, thecoffedesk.com is hosted on one of these! Also: http://thecoffeedesk.com.nyud.net/news/index.php/2009/05/09/the-worlds-first-netbook/

  20. Let's all get clear on this by mlscdi · · Score: 1
    In my humble opinion, a netbook is a small, light, cheap computer designed primarily for low-level tasks: writing, web browsing, etc.

    A Sub-Notebook is what this is: Small and light, yes, but certainly not cheap. Examples of this would include the MacBook Air.

    Sub-Notebooks have been around pretty much since notebooks have been around (as demonstrated in some of the other comments in this thread). Netbooks are a recent phenomenon beginning with the EEE. Just my $0.02

    1. Re:Let's all get clear on this by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to think the netbook has lost its way, The ideal size in my opinion has a 9 inch screen excellent battery life and a modest relatively quick hard drive or solid state drive. Netboooks seem to be progressing to a small laptop with lousy battery life, too big and too limited by fitting too small a battery.

      There's a number of things that can improve the current crop, bigger batteries 7 or 8 hours from a charge when new should be a good minimum perhaps more like 10 hours.
      Some of the SSD drives are really slow, that sucks, better models could incorporate a touch screen and the option of a tablet mode. Closing up as a clam shell and protecting the screen while bagged up. maybe even allowing the keyboard to un-dock or slide out and be used as an external keyboard could be a relatively cheap option. A few smart keys on the screen edges that can be assigned functions by the user could turn the system into a better than kindle like Ebook reader.
      I don't expect these improvements for nothing, the build price would go up but then so would the usefulness of the device.

      An advanced Netbook design like this could be a near perfect tool for students.
      battery life long enough to last all day without needing to find a charging point, so many places will not allow anything to plug-in without having their electrical safety sticker. the ability to be able to treat this as an electronic replacement of an A4 pad typing notes or sketching diagrams with a stylus. One simple thing would be a Trapdoor usb expansion big enough to fit a Usb hspda Modem maybe a TV Card or just a plain old USB memory stick.

      Make the SSD Hdd user replaceable either with a faster, larger ssd or perhaps a 1.8inch hard drive.

      Trouble is no ones thinking of what people want, but just trying to avoid impacting the sales of more expensive product lines.

    2. Re:Let's all get clear on this by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      A Macbook Air is way too big to be a subnotebook. You can only try to call it that because notebooks have grown so large. I was working at an ISP in Japan in the late nineties and we actually had a Libretto (don't recall what model, but it was running Win 95-J OSR2, so probably the one referenced in the article). I found it too small to type comfortably on, but some people - even with larger fingers than mine - thought it was OK. I preferred our main "road computer," a Thinkpad 240 which they are probably still using there today. A couple of years ago they replaced its hard drive when it died.

      The Thinkpad 240 was about the same size as a Macbook Air, probably smaller (it was a B5 notebook), but thicker. There were Sony Vaios on the market then that were very thin and light and would not look especially out of place on the shelf today. Very thin, very light, had no serial port because they were too thin. We bought the Thinkpad 240 instead of a Vaio b/c it did have a 9-pin serial port and we wanted to be very, very sure that it would talk over the serial port to any of our networking equipment. Nobody wanted to hundreds of kilometers from Tokyo at a remote site and find out that something didn't play well with USB - serial adapters.

      Macbook Airs are neat and all, and I suppose you could make an argument that by today's bloated notebook standards the MBA is practically a subnotebook, but it's larger than anything that is properly a subnotebook.

    3. Re:Let's all get clear on this by mlscdi · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's all relative -- but compared to some of the crazy stuff coming out, it seems pretty small.

  21. Nothing is Ahead of its Time by SeinJunkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Aside from that not being true, it was underpowered so that it didn't have the appeal of later devices, it was marketed poorly in a world that wasn't ready (it would have needed to be marketed better).

    Right. In the book "Myths of Innovation," the author (Scott Berkun) discusses how there is no such thing as a product being ahead of its time (which is what it seems this /. article summary is basically touting). You can't have a great idea in isolation and expect the market to come to you. Part of the invention process is how will your audience accept the product? Aside from patent trolling, the marketplace doesn't allow for financial success in a walled garden.

    Berkun also cites many examples and non-examples of famous inventors like Edison not actually being the first to invent something (such as the light bulb), but really being the best one to bring it to the audience. He also demonstrates how you wouldn't be able to bring a modern invention such as the netbook and take it back in time to be as successful as it has been for us. The infrastructure wouldn't be there and the public mindset would have no reference point or paradigm to go from.

    1. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sounds like he's being a bit pedantic on whether the "product" was ahead of its time or the "idea" was ahead of its time.

      As for not being able to take something like a netbook back in time, nonsense. Take one of our netbooks back to 1996 and tell someone who just bought a subnotebook that they can have this little computer with better specs for a tenth the price (a fifth the price of ANY computer) and it's going to be a big hit. The problem was, we couldn't build something like that, at that price, back then.

    2. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by hamburgler007 · · Score: 1

      The problem was, we couldn't build something like that, at that price, back then.

      We couldn't build something like that at any price back then.

    3. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1996 wasn't that long ago. Most of the essential bits were available, if not common then. The article itself is about a subnotebook with many of the essential features of a netbook.

    4. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by SeinJunkie · · Score: 1

      The bit about the netbook was from me, not the book, FWIW.

      The viability of the netbook in the mid-90s is academic, and it's hard to make a comparison to the sub-notebooks, because they are such different things: their target audience is wholly different as well as the product. The /. article summary asserts the netbook craze started in 1996, which would seem to be just false. While the subnotebook was "received" perhaps in the same sense that the New Coke formula was, more traditional options seemed to reign for the next decade without so much as a second thought from consumers.

      Forgetting the price, which we all know is impossible to make work adequately outside of building the netbook in the very near past, the product of a current-gen netbook would be hardly successful in the mid-90s. The specs might be technically superior, but what consumer programs would come close to taxing it? (IIRC we were just crossing into P100 procs at that time, and 32 MB of RAM was a lot) It may have wi-fi, but nobody else does. How many even had USB 1.1 back then? Where are the serial and parallel ports and modem?

      Even if you could surf the internet, there isn't much to do after maybe viewing some spartan web pages. It's a far cry from the rich multimedia experience that we've come to expect, with Javascript web apps and Flash videos, we can move our computing selves into the internet and use the lightweight netbook to access all of it. And when I say "we," I mean the general consumers that are increasingly buying netbooks recently.

      And that's all from a relatively recent time period. Take it back further and it gets more ridiculous.

      All of these issues could be solved, but with much more work on the developing company's part than current netbook makers have to do. The culture is vastly different and its acceptance levels are just ripe for netbooks and smartphones without much, if any, priming needed. Consider how much usability training you've received in the course of the last 12 years perhaps without even taking a single course on computers.

      But the real message of the book to me is that the value of innovation goes down as public acceptance goes up. This is for the very same reason as why it's so easy for a company to create those products. The tide affects all of the ships, including those the companies competitors. The relative value of your innovation is dependent upon your ability to increase the perception of value of your idea to your audience. Take now as an example: for better or worse, much of the tech economy is based on "free" in all senses of the word. Innovation today has to keep that in mind and work that into their perceived value marketing.

    5. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The whole concept of something being "ahead of its time" is that, though the concept is good, the market isn't there either because the technology is reliable enough, cheap enough, or the infrastructure isn't in place.

      The guy might have some good points in his book, but that one doesn't seem to be one of them. From your description he's basically arguing that there's no such thing as a A because the situation is always... the very definition of A.

      Depending on your concept of a "netbook," yeah, maybe the idea of a netbook wouldn't have flown back in 1996. I think of a netbook as being more or less like any other computer but perhaps a bit slower, a little more limited (smaller screen) but very small and very cheap. You're obviously thinking of it in more technical terms, as a small computer with wifi etc.

      I think a slightly slower, slightly more limited computer (like the subnotebook described in the article) would have done just fine in 1996, provided it was cheap, like today's netbooks. Because the tech wasn't there to make it cheap (small was expensive, it failed: it was ahead of it's time. A good idea, but some element was missing.

      As for what you've described as the "real message" of the book, I disagree completely. The value of innovation does NOT reduce to how well you can convince the public. Marketing is a factor, yes, but it's definitely not the only one, or, I'd like to believe, the most important one. Products that are ahead of their time do not fail because they lack convincing enough marketing, but because they lack some innovative element, either your own, or someone else's. The subnotebook in the article lacked the "cheap" component, which I think of as definitive of the netbook class. The electric car today hasn't caught on because it falls short in price/performance, not because we don't all agree that electric cars are a pretty neat idea. The digital watch didn't catch on before it did because it filled a room instead of fitting on your wrist. The mp3 player didn't really explode until the iPod because they were too difficult to use. Etc.

    6. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Products can't be ahead of their time, granted. But ideas can: ideas are transitive and have value beyond their initial implementations.

      The people who made the Eee didn't revolutionize anything but the cost of the device. There were several - many - examples of similar devices (many of which were implemented in a technically superior-for-their-day fashion).

      --
      ~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
    7. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, the point was that you now have this device, in 1996, and the market was not ready, as for the transmeta chip, which tried to compete in the greener market when no greener marked existed. Now we are all for greener appliances, but take one of the new ultra low voltage chip and take it back when the transmeta was trying to convince us that power efficiency was the way:

      (from the wikipedia page) A 1.6Ghz Transmeta Efficeon from 2004 manufactured using a 90nm process has roughly the same performance and power characteristics as a 1.6Ghz Intel Atom from 2008 manufactured using a 45nm process. The Efficeon included an integrated Northbridge, while the Atom requires an external northbridge chip (reducing much of the Atom's power consumption benefits).

      so? that was targeted at netbook at all effects, with low power usage, low performance, low costs. But back then, nobody cared. PC where at that time meant to do real work, not to check email on the web, and performance was the primary comparison point, not the length of the time off battery.

    8. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by SeinJunkie · · Score: 1

      Products that are ahead of their time do not fail because they lack convincing enough marketing, but because they lack some innovative element, either your own, or someone else's.

      Right. You might be considering this to be picking nits with our idioms (I did when I first read it), but he's basically saying that ideas that are missing even just one proper element are really not well fleshed out. Relatedly, we've all talked to people who are confident that they had the idea for something that is now popular while insisting they would be rich had they materialized it. To me, this is the same out that "ahead of its time" gives to folks.

      You should be able to read the relevant section of the book on Google Book Search, though I don't know how much since it has the DRM included. I really can't do it justice in a few comments, but it's worth the read.

    9. Re:Nothing is Ahead of its Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ~ 700 MHz cpu, 512MB ram, 802.11g, $300.0

      in 1996 ?

  22. Fujitsu P1200 by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    The first with the portable DVD player form factor was the Fujitsu P1200. I consider this the first modern machine that fits into the netbook designation.

    --
    I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
  23. First? by zoomshorts · · Score: 0

    http://oldcomputers.net/grid1101.html This was even earlier. I guess what passed for a
    netbook today, is well, not quite a netbook, except for the browsing stuff.

  24. I would almost say by falcon5768 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The eMate from apple could be classified as a netbook, since it did have email and browsing capabilities and has even been hacked to use 802.11b these days on top of its cat-5 and modem abilities. It was after all a low power computer based off the Newton.

    --

    "Slashdot, where telling the truth is overrated but lying is insightful."

  25. Yes, there was a craze... by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, there certainly was a "craze". You just missed it because you're weren't living where it happened. The small notebooks have always been popular in Japan but never really caught on in the US. Americans could only buy them through import sites at twice the price, so mostly we just looked at the pictures, read the specs, and sent letters to the manufacturers begging them to bring those models to the US. It was fantastic walking around Akihabara, seeing machines that you only saw pop up as brief descriptions in US magazines. Beautiful machines that never made it to the US shores. Nowadays, with the web, it's all to easy to see the pictures and look up specs, but back then, we only had mere glimpses. So yes, there was a craze. But because the machines were never exported, that craze never made it to the US.

    --
    -- If god wanted me to have a sig, he'd have given me a sense of humor.
  26. I'd forgotten these things existed.... by plazman30 · · Score: 1

    And with good reason. These things were a nightmare to support! I had to support two of them, and I think I'm going to need therapy now that their existence is known to me again...

  27. Asus EEE PCs not so flimsy by fantomas · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have to stand up for the Asus Eee PCs and speak about my experiences in their defence. I bought 30 x 701s a year and a half ago for a university project working with 11-14 year old school children. They've since been issued to a total of approximately 330 students across 12 different classes, taken out on field trips, and issued for home use. Only one has broken so far, a student dropped it onto a tarmac road while walking and carrying it in her hand, so that's about a metre or so drop. It broke the corner of the screen casing but apart from that was fine, we could pull the data off it and give her a spare to carry on with. We now use it as a test machine back in the lab, it works fine but we don't really want to issue it to students.

    A few have started to show scratches on the casing, and that's been it so far. They work ok in light rain, though the touch pad freaks out when they get too wet, we've found for field trips the solution is to get transparent plastic bags and slide them over the laptops and then they are fine (we use our geology department's rock sample bags, thanks guys!).

    So I'd say they are reasonably robust given these kind of conditions.

    1. Re:Asus EEE PCs not so flimsy by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      touch pad freaks out when they get too wet

      I take mine travelling so we can watch movies and transfer data between our cameras. The touchpad also freaks out when the laptop is run from a cheap in car power inverter, so I either take a small mouse or pull the power when I want to use the UI.

      Its a great little machine. I used it at my dad's place yesterday setting up his wifi. I had his new router plugged in and was testing the connection through to /. from the eee while he fiddled with the wifi configuration on his windows laptop. Now he wants one of course.

    2. Re:Asus EEE PCs not so flimsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious, what kind of software were you running for them?

      Mine has limited battery life, has that been an issue for you?

  28. A twenty year old Twinhead Subnote by dmcox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the road I used a computer called Twinhead Subnote running Windows 3.1, with a built in modem I could connect back to the office. Here is a photo http://tinyurl.com/pybl33

    1. Re:A twenty year old Twinhead Subnote by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      Cool ...

      Can I load Trumpet Winsock Dialer and Netscape 2.0 on it?

      I don't mind Telix or Procomm Plus too ...

    2. Re:A twenty year old Twinhead Subnote by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that was a joke. On rereading it I realized it sounded offensive. Sorry about that.

      Your Twinhead Subnote is cool. Really.

  29. Sony VAIO SR33 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the first machines to approach the prices of today's netbooks, not just the specs, was the VAIO SR33. 600mHz Celeron, 128MB RAM, 10.4" screen, 1" thick, slightly under 3 lbs. I bought mine (new) for $900 around the middle of 2001. I finally replaced it 4.5 years later, but I still consider it the best notebook I've ever used.

  30. IBM PC110 by really? · · Score: 1

    _MY_ first netbook was an IBM PC110, which I actually still have. It's now running Windows 98SE from a 1 GB CF card.

    --

    "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead." A. Huxley
  31. Started? by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You could qualify it as netbook, but probably what really started the craze was the XO, the idea of a $100 notebook for every child. It had most of the attributes that make it a not so bad idea, price, long battery life, wifi, etc.

  32. Re:HELLO EVERYBODY by JockTroll · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Cagati addosso, stronzetto.

    --
    Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
  33. Definition of first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How could the Libretto 70 be termed the first netbook when it followed on from the Libretto 50?

  34. I actually had one once by dido · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, close enough. It was a Toshiba Libretto 30, which my mother bought for me in Korea in 1996. It was a pretty neat little gadget, a full-blown PC that was good enough (jumping through some hoops that involved use of a Zip drive IIRC, but heck I was in college back then and had loads of free time) for me to install Red Hat Linux 5.0 and do much of my college work on (primarily LaTeX documents, as a host system for MC68HC11 embedded system development, and a bit of Netscape 2.0). It was not much larger than a typical VHS cassette, and as such was very convenient. It had slightly lower specs than the 70CT mentioned in the article (66 MHz Pentium and only 8 megs of RAM IIRC), but that was plenty of power for what I used to do back then. The remarkable thing was that it was only a little less powerful than the desktop I had back then, and the only reason why I didn't ditch my desktop for it was the tiny keyboard and the display which was limited to 640x480x32. It was also very expensive, way beyond the price points of full-sized laptops with comparable specs.

    --
    Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
  35. Not the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There were plenty before that. The Tandy(s), the unbelievable HP Omnibook 300, and many others. Come on, the Tandys and Omnibook ran on AA batteries. The Omnibook had Windows, Word, and Excel on ROM and a built-in mouse.

  36. What goes around, comes around... by adosch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About a decade+ ago, a friend of mine in college gave me a Gateway Handbook and I still own it to this day. I upgraded the RAM to 24mb and put in a 1GB hard drive in it and whatever Linux distro I had around at the time. It was definitely usable when I was in college to take notes on, but using as a daily application for my life is where it failed; 802.11b was *just* emerging and playing Doom on it during class quickly tired. It's comical to see how laptop industry flops back on itself (much how fashion has went back to calling 80's straight leg pants and moon boots the new 'in'). I remember when all the hype a few years ago surrounded the netbook. It's cool, don't get me wrong (and I do own a Acer Aspire ZG5), but definitely not a new idea. Just a regurgitation of what failed the first time around because there wasn't enough technology infrastructure to support it (e.g. wi-fi, internet for the masses, etc.)

  37. I used Bill Gates' Libretto once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Librettos may not have exactly been netbooks (concept didn't exist at the time, and 802.11 was basically non-existant), but they were certainly the forerunner of netbooks:

    Similar size
    Similar weight
    Reduced performance compared to full featured notebooks of the same era
    Could run a real OS (these were not overgrown PDAs)

    I still remember the first time I ever got to see / use a Libretto. This was before they were releasing them in the US - this particular one was a gift from the head of Toshiba to Bill Gates. Back in 1996, I knew a guy who worked for Microsoft IT's Executive Support team who was getting it setup for Bill - it was a bit of a pain to get it setup with English Win95 OS and Japanese Win95 drivers (Toshiba didn't have English drivers yet as they weren't onsale in the US), but he finally got it working.

  38. Only predated by Atari Portfolio 1989 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Portfolio

    1. Re:Only predated by Atari Portfolio 1989 by LoTonah · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was about to say that! Amazing how people gloss over that.

      I loved the Portfolio. I had Turbo Pascal on mine, wrote some fun stuff. I also wrote several short stories on the Skytrain going to and from work on that crazy little keyboard. Good times!

  39. Toshiba libretto still desired by many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great to see this article about the adorable Toshiba Libretto.

    Still, a lot of people, use the Libretto on a daily basis for work, study or just for fun.

    There is even a fairly new website, www.librettoworld.com, dedicated to the Toshiba Libretto.

    You can find very useful stuff around there, and there is also an active user forum!

    Librettoworld.com is the only actively maintained resource for all Libretto owners.

  40. Libretto actually really good by jsimon12 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a Libretto then and actually still the same one today (I use it as a OBD for my car). I ought the Libretto because my HP 200LX was dated and not the best system to get on the net with (though you could). Toshiba Librettos were built solid, did the job and were small and light as hell. Great for traveling when you needed just a little access on occasion (do that these days with my smart phone).

  41. yes, and the Sony C1V PictureBook as well by darkeye · · Score: 1

    yes, the Toshiba machine, and then the Sony C1V family of 'PictureBooks' were also good precursors. I had one of those, and it was wonderful. 1kg in total, 1024x480 pixels widescreen, Transmeta Crusoe CPU, 12 hours of battery life with the jumbo battery. The pricetag was high, though..

    1. Re:yes, and the Sony C1V PictureBook as well by amlai · · Score: 1

      I used to have the same machine. Battery life was poor barely 2 hours on the regular battery(of course unless you turn the brightness way down). The Crusoe CPU is SLOW. High cool factor and I remember I sold it on Ebay for almost 80% of the purchase price after almost 2 years of use.

  42. still ticking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mine still runs without issue today

  43. Compaq Contura Aero by mechlink · · Score: 1

    I believe the Compaq Contura Aero sub-notebook predates the Libretto.

  44. Thinkpad 110 vs Libretto 100CT by stephows · · Score: 1

    Back in mid 1998 I was tossing up between the IBM Thinkpad 110 and the Libretto 100CT. The Thinkpad 110 was released in 1995, so it was a bit old but they were cheap in 1998. 486SX-33, internal harddisk, PCMCIA ports and an inbuilt modem caused journalists to love it. Similar size to a large pack of cigarettes. http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/brochures.htm But I went for the newer Libretto and used it for many years on overseas trips. Pentium 133, internal hard disk, SVGA, sound. Similar size to a paperback book. The only downside was the collection of accessories I had to take with me - external CD reader, charger, mouse, modem card, ethernet card, CF adapter, etc. Both could take Windows 95. I've also used 286 class DOS based portables similar in size to the current netbooks. I used it on overseas trips with both a development environment (vi, Borland C and a cross compiler) for EFT terminals and also various bank environment simulators so I could demonstrate EFT terminals to our prospective clients completely in a self contained environment. In a single briefcase I had a complete travelling kit for going to any client, demonstrating and even customising our products.

  45. Actually you can go back a bit further by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    the 30CT a 486DX version was originally only an Asian release. The Libretto50CT was a P1 version running at 150mhz (if memory is correct) This version had sound where the 30ct did not. Size was identical to the size of a vhs cassette case. If anyone out there thinks typing on an early EeePC is hard you had nothing on the Libretto's. Great system, Rock solid, Loved mine.

    --

    I'm sorry, I'm to tired to be witty at the moment so this message will have to do.

  46. Tulip Pocket Books by Dr.Ruud · · Score: 1

    The Tulip PB subnotebooks were already 248 x 155 x 46 mm (like 9.5 x 6") in 1993.
    http://www.tulipgv.nl/tpb.html

  47. Picturebook by CompMD · · Score: 1

    As much as I despise Sony, I have to say that I did enjoy my Picturebook C1X that I was given for work in the late 90s, that definitely counts as a netbook. I remember it was the first device I'd ever used with builtin wifi. It looked cool and worked decently. On the down side, the battery life on the machine was atrocious, its motherboard fried three days before the warranty was up (which would have cost $2200 to replace, and the machine cost $2500 to buy), and the hard drive died shortly after I got the machine back from the motherboard replacement. But the bragging rights of having the smallest laptop out of everyone I knew was pretty neat.

  48. Stealth Libretto by Clancie · · Score: 1

    Back when these came out I bought a pair of Libretto 110CTs for the company I worked for. I ended up taking one of them and installing Red Hat 6 on it and set it up to find rogue wireless access points in the companies many locations around the US. Since I was already traveling to many of these locations to do security audits, I just added wireless scanning to the list. To make things more interesting, I gutted a Franklin-Covey planner book and through skilled application of sticky-backed Velcro, I installed the Libretto into the planner book. While I was meeting with the local IT and/or security people I would have my planner book sitting on the conference table searching for wireless signals. At the end of the meeting I would check the Libretto and ask them about their wireless networks. More often than not they would deny the existence of any wireless devices (they were 100% forbidden by policy at that time), I would show them the stealth Libretto showing the average of 1-3 wireless APs with such incriminating names such as, "*companyname*-AP" or "*companyname*-lab". I was able to rescue both of those Librettos from the dumpster when their time was up. I still have them both today and they both run perfectly. Here is my stealth Libretto

  49. Re: POQET PC by davide+marney · · Score: 1

    Oh, man, I LOVED my POQET PC. I ran Framework, an integrated office suite that gave you a database, word processor/outliner, contact manager, and spreadhseet all in one, coordinated application space. My whole world was on that thing.

    Being able to run literally weeks off of 2 AA batteries was a stunner then and now. I looked for years for a replacement once they discontinued it, and not until last year did I see anything that I thought was its equal in portablity, price, and performance (the XO-1 from OLPC.)

    --
    "We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
  50. My subnotebook to netbook conversion experiment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to "update" a Mitsubishi Amity subnotebook (122Mhz, 48MB ram, 640x480 screen, 2GB drive). I recently installed Damn Small Linux to replace Windows 95 and a wifi device. I use "elinks" or Dillo for web. I was unable to run off Compact Flash to IDE adapter to go solid state. I was unable to make TinyX work with the track pointer but it is fine with PS2 mouse. I bought the sub-notebook on Ebay a few years ago for about $100.

  51. software, batteries by fantomas · · Score: 1

    We've written a tool which guides them through their environmental enquiries. It's still under development but you can read the general information about our project here (Personal Inquiry website). Drupal on top of LAMP, running on the default Xandros OS. Battery life was something that concerned us for the full day trips across two towns, but we solved that by checking out tips on www.eeeuser.com

    - switching off wireless in the BIOS (though used in the one hour school playground trials)
    - lowering screen brightness a little
    - setting the laptops to sleep on lid closing, and asking the students to close lids between locations (we walked across town stopping at a dozen places in each to collect data)
    - hiding games so the students didn't run the batteries down playing these between working
    - carrying spare batteries and swapping over some (not all required) at lunchtime.

    Also used them on the ERA Project supporting disabled access to geology fieldwork in the Scottish Highlands - found that a field geologist could stream video and send photos from one Asus to another across a thrown up wifi network all day, needed one battery change generally, occasionally two for long field days.