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Google Unveils Search Options and Google Squared

CWmike writes "Saying that its users are becoming increasingly sophisticated, Google has unveiled a list of new search technologies geared to help users 'slice and dice' their Google search results, along with a new tool to help them cull information instead of Web pages. Marissa Mayer, vice president of Google's Search Products, said of Search Options in a blog post, 'We have spent a lot of time looking at how we can better understand the wide range of information that's on the Web and quickly connect people to just the nuggets they need at that moment.' Google Squared, set to be released to users as part of its Google Labs program later this month, pulls up information from different sites and presents it in an organized manner."

171 comments

  1. Google Squared? by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Funny

    No thanks; wake me up when they come out with the "Google n*log(n)" version.

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    1. Re:Google Squared? by dwater · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I thought they were copying Symbian....but I like your answer better :)

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    2. Re:Google Squared? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, Google is already doing plenty of log'n.

    3. Re:Google Squared? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The proper relationship to Google^2 is Google*log(Google)

    4. Re:Google Squared? by wealthychef · · Score: 1

      I'm more hoping that they actually make Google Voice available. How long is it only going to be available to former Grand Central users? It's been months since they announced it. Nobody seems to be griping about it out there but me. Same for Google Latitude for the iPhone.

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    5. Re:Google Squared? by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Whoa! log'n = 1/n, so the more data they have, the faster they get the answers!

    6. Re:Google Squared? by ScottG489 · · Score: 1

      I have access to it because I got GC a while ago when I found out Google bought them. I was very excited at first. But I overlooked the fact that your outgoing number wasn't your Google Voice number. It just doesn't work out right now. If I call someone or text someone, they are naturally going to return the call or text to the same number. So Google voice becomes totally out of the loop.

  2. Chicken or the egghead? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Culling data and presenting context-aware results is something that Wolfram is working on too.

    Wolfram, a genuine genius, against a company full of above-average engineers. It's a tossup as to who came up with this idea first.

    1. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Of course they could have come up with the ideas separately and at the same time. More or less. Also we are not even sure how similar the 2 approaches really are.

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    2. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Darundal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do I care who came up with the idea first? I care about who does it best.

    3. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by thedonger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But it is not about who does it best, but about who markets it best. The Google brand is damn-near ubiquitous, and already encompasses the starting point (i.e., home page) of a large number of internet users. I wish Wolfram luck leaping that hurdle.

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    4. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by anaesthetica · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hope Google is not discussing Google Squared as part of a (typically Microsoft) strategy of announcing a competitive to-be-released-soon! service simply to deter users from switching to a rival with an actual shipping product.

    5. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Google's been doing very limited versions of this kind of search for quite some kind (one of the examples usually given for the kind of thing Alpha is good for the Google supposedly isn't is looking up the GDP of a country, which is a clear sign that whoever is giving the example has never done a query in Google for the GDP of a country, which is a question that Google will usually be able to answer directly with a link to the site from which it has culled that information), and its something they've been very clear that they plan on expanding. It is probably the case that these particular features have been released to the public in response to Wolfram|Alpha, but its pretty clear that Alpha didn't provide the impetus for Google's interest in this kind of functionality.

    6. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait? I'd say insightful. All large companies are up for anti-competitive tactics if they think they can get away with it.

    7. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by LUH+3418 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would think they're pretty serious about this. Google pours alot of R&D money into improving its search engine. In their mind, I believe this represents another step closer to one day having a search engine that can truely understand questions asked by users, which really, is the ultimate goal for any search engine.

      It seems obvious that for them to publicize this now is a response to Wolfram Alpha, but clearly, Google wants to keep is technological edge over the competition. Now, what will be interesting to see is how much people care about these new search options, and whether or not someone buys Wolfram Alpha.

    8. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google has presented limited context-aware results for years if you request them, e.g. search for "define: word" or "185 usd in euros".

    9. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by tsalmark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Best, and by a long shot, is how Google came to be damn-near ubiquitous.AltaVista (for search) and Yahoo (For directory) had the lions share of the market. Google was just another one of hundreds attempting to gain a foot hold in the market, until the first time you used it, then you never went back.

    10. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      a company full of above-average engineers

      I'm trying to think of another free service that I get so much value from every single day of my life.

      I have a very hard time trying to work up any resentment toward Google, given the way they've transformed the landscape of the Internet, even to the point where their name has become synonymous with the act of searching for something. Generally, when someone gives me a whole bunch of really useful services for free, my first reaction is one of gratitude rather than resentment.

      But I guess that's where we differ.

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    11. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The lack of maturity of the internet allowed Google to offer a better product, virtually sans marketing, and take over. I don't think that can or will happen the same way again. Not in the search market, anyway.

      The internet still offers the unique ability for something to go viral and spread like herpes in a co-ed frat, but as time goes on the list will dwindle down to rumors (pop rocks and pepsi!) and worms (conficker, et al).

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    12. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you read his book? If he's a genius, he gives genius a very bad name.

      Einstein was a genius. Read his papers. In 4 pages, he changes the world. Wolfram changed nothing in his mammoth unpublishable POS.

    13. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by jcwayne · · Score: 1

      And we'll be able tell that Wolfram has truly made it when "Wolfram" surpasses "Yahoo" as the most googled word.

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    14. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was on dial-up (and my parents still are...). Google had a small logo, a text field, and two buttons. Every other search engine's site had hundred of links to different categorizes, news, sports, weather, etc... I went with the site which had the faster loading time and the least amount of crud and clutter.

      The search results didn't matter as much as the fact that I could go through two searches on one site while the others still loaded their home pages.

      I assume many others used Google for this reason too, but I've never heard anyone mention it.

    15. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by retiredtwice · · Score: 1

      I agree with your comment about AltaVista and I firmly believe they lost out because AltaVista kept "improving" their search engine by guessing at what you -really wanted.

      Kind of like the useless searches on MS or Apple that gives you percentages. Either the search found the phrase or it didnt. How asinine.

      I see Google going down that path. I switched to google when I figured out it actually searched ONLY on what I entered. However, the last few months (not keeping track) it keeps "helping" me. I now have to enclose individual words in quotes to get it to search on THOSE WORDS. And leaving numbers out of searches by Google drives me crazy. I would not have put the damn number in if I didnt want to search on it.

      As soon as another search engine comes on that doesnt treat me like I cannot spell or know what I want to ask, I will switch again. Yes, I make spelling errors but usually figure it out on my own.

      As an example I searched on GPM and smog earlier today and I got the response that "are you sure you didnt want RPM". Now in this case it was only showing me the first two hits for RPM but it is annoying.

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    16. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by IdahoEv · · Score: 1

      Wolfram, a genuine genius

      That's far from a unanimous opinion. Especially among academic researchers who actually work in the fields (information theory, complexity) for which Wolfram is so lauded by the lay press.

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    17. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by zaba · · Score: 1

      I have never heard of this idea before. I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. If only someone would come up with a word for such practices...

  3. google squared by overlordofmu · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How about a a google to the googleth power?

    1. Re:google squared by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      What, a google plex?

      That's the number we used to represent just-short-of-infinity when having nerd arguments as kids in the 80s.

      Infinity plex > infinity squared > infinity > google plex > google > thousands > a lot.

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    2. Re:google squared by hezekiah957 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're considering a google plex to be analogous to a googolplex, then your post is wrong. A googolplex is 10^googol, not googol^googol.

    3. Re:google squared by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      That's the number we used to represent just-short-of-infinity when having nerd arguments as kids in the 80s.

      Hmmm. I remember people using the word back in the '60s. But given that the word googol (10^10^100) itself goes back to 1939, I guess the term is even older (!) than I am. ;-)

    4. Re:google squared by overlordofmu · · Score: 2, Funny

      What I really want to know is what is google to the power of google divided by the natural log to the power of Richard Stallman?

      Later, we can try dividing by zero . . .

    5. Re:google squared by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Hey, we were young kids who had been reading older siblings' collegiate math texts.

      Can you blame us for being way off base*?

      *Literally, off base. Not off-base-as-in-baseball-or-pickle, but off-base-as-in-thinking-base-googol-instead-of-base-ten?

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    6. Re:google squared by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Pssh, real kids know that infinity plex is somewhat less than zero, having looped around.

    7. Re:google squared by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Google to any power is still just Google. That's because Google is number 1. Google^2 = 1, Google^Google = 1, Google^Infinity = 1.

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    8. Re:google squared by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      ...divided by the natural log...

      How exactly do you divide by the natural log?

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    9. Re:google squared by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      Root Mean Square Googles? Does it vary like a sine wave?

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    10. Re:google squared by atomicthumbs · · Score: 1

      I counter your googlplex with Graham's number!

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    11. Re:google squared by RobertLTux · · Score: 2, Funny

      you pick up your log move it to where you want to divide and then drop it into place.

      (and if you want to divide the natural log use a chainsaw)

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    12. Re:google squared by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Google ^ i

    13. Re:google squared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That reminds me of a joke one of my old math teachers told me once. Q: What's the integral of 1/cabin with respect to cabin? A: int(1/cabin)dcabin = ln(cabin) + C = log cabin plus sea = houseboat

    14. Re:google squared by treeves · · Score: 1

      And I raise you a 1000th Busy Beaver number.

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    15. Re:google squared by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      Thats the first really good math/algebra joke I have heard in a while, there arent so many of them around, i usually hear the same old 6 repeated.

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    16. Re:google squared by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Funny

      Get real.

  4. Counteraction? by Eddy+Luten · · Score: 1

    Sounds to me like Google is simply launching a product to compete against Wolfram Alpha's pending release.

    1. Re:Counteraction? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      If they really want to counter it, they should call it Google Marflow.

    2. Re:Counteraction? by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds to me like Google is simply launching a product to compete against Wolfram Alpha's pending release.

      Both products have their problems.

      Basically, they grab data from different websites and present it in a way that eliminates the necessity of visiting the actual site.

      That's going to hurt a lot of website owners that depend on the traffic they get from Google.

      I don't like it and expect a lot of webmasters to not like it either. If they use a separate bot to tabulate the data, it will quickly be blocked by many. If they use the current data they have and the same crawler then say goodbye to Google's dominance in the search market as people block google and request their sites be removed from the index.

      With fewer sites in the index the search will become less useful and people will use other options.

      What they are basically doing is building something like wikipedia dynamically. The difference is editors in wikipedia voluntarily contribute content. With these new tools, that's not the case.

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    3. Re:Counteraction? by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree. They're grabbing little enough data that it will--theoretically--allow people only to go to the sites that will really be helpful for them. Removing wasted time from the equation will be a positive net gain for users and webmasters alike. In an extreme example, if this separates out spammers with no-content-all-ads sites from sites that really provide a useful service, then it's good for everyone.

      It may indeed hurt the people who run sites that are not in the top few sites in a crowded niche, but overall, I think a core snippet will help the best-run sites, not hurt them, in most cases.

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    4. Re:Counteraction? by rackserverdeals · · Score: 1

      A lot of people are only searching for a little bit of information and it's that little bit of information that leads them to your site.

      Here's an example. Have you ever read something online and run across a word you weren't familiar with or weren't sure of the context it was being used in so you wanted to look up the definition?

      So you google the word. Now look at all the page snippets. Either by the web developers design, or maybe with the help of Google, the definition doesn't appear in the snippet. You have to click on the link to get to the definition. In the past, I'm not sure if that was the case. I seem to remember being able to find the definition in the snippet.

      You could use the define: directive but that's not as popular.

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  5. Regexp and exact word matching options by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish Google had the ability to search for regular expressions and exact word matching. Searching for exact words or things that contain other symbols than letters is unfortunately very hard with Google and so sometimes it's useless in situations where it could have been so powerful.

    1. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by youn · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sounds useful... recursive searching of results, being able to manipulate the summary, that would be fun... and while they're at it a mini scripting language helping the rewriting of results.

      find nano(computing|computer|qbit) in_site slashdot.com
      result=custom_cleanup_subroutines_for_irrelevant_websites_such_as_nano_the_text_editor()

      then have a library of custom searches that people could build on... that would allow people to share custom searches for things such as mp3s, specific types of data such as scientific data, etc...

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    2. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Funny

      Your choice of examples intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    3. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Informative

      Full Regexp would be very hard but Google does have basic abilities to do exact matching and conditional matching. Just hit the "advanced" button.

      Hardly something that is tough to find out.

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    4. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google Code search supports regular expressions, so it's possible with a smaller index at least.

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    5. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except quotation marks do not give you a literal search.
      It ignores punctuation marks, and doesn't necessarily give you exact quotes early on.

    6. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Likewise, using quotation marks (that's what those double-apostrophes are called) makes it fairly easy to search suing terms including symbols.

      Using quotes can help... but Google seems to strip out non-alphanumeric symbols. For instance a search for "Error 2005" and "Error #2005" yield the exact same search results, with none of the first page including the number-sign. But in theory if you're searching for an exact phrase (e.g. an error code) then those extra symbols are important.

      The same thing happens for all kinds of searches that use symbols. The quotes enforce word-order but don't enforce symbols. For instance a search, with quotes, of "1.5 J/s" returns some correct results, but also matches to "1.5J S" and "1.5 (Js" and other variants... This makes searching for scientific things (e.g. parts of an equation) difficult.

      This probably happens because Google works by pre-computing indexes of term frequencies and caching a huge number of queries. A free-form regex can be arbitrarily complicated and would be difficult to pre-compute and cache. To get the right results it would have to search on the full database. Similarly I guess they decided that not enough people search for crazy symbol combinations, so those are ignored. There are probably solutions to the problem (e.g. using the sub-pieces of a regex or symbol search to find candidate pages, and then only searching for the exact string on that subset), but again Google seems to have decided that the functionality is not in sufficient demand.

    7. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm

      "2 live crew" "me so horny" mp3 intitle:"index of"

      4th result (on google.com, anyway)

    8. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by paazin · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a pity that google considers it so - I come across a query every few days that fits along these lines.

      I suppose I really just ought to use another search engine for these; cuil, for one gives different results for Error #2005 and Error 2005

    9. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wish Google had the ability to search for regular expressions and exact word matching. Searching for exact words or things that contain other symbols than letters is unfortunately very hard with Google and so sometimes it's useless in situations where it could have been so powerful.

      Search options may finally make Google the best search engine on the internet. The Algorithm has never impressed me very much, but getting some of the these options that I used in Lexis Nexis since the mid 90s into a web search would definitely make me switch search sites. I'd particularly like to be able to search for a word within N words of another word, and to be able to specify which word comes first, or give multiple combinations or variations on each word. When I want to find opinions on a TV show, The Algorithm works fine, but Google has never been the best when it comes to just searching for specific phrases that need to be ON THE RESULT PAGE, not on ten pages that link to the result page.

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    10. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those options are not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for exact symbol search in strings like "C#" or "x = y * 2", and also, case sensitive search. Sometimes one needs to find identifiers on the internet (and not just in google code search).

    11. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by frission · · Score: 1

      they must have some kind of white list of phrases with special symbols. If you type in something related to c#, the suggest drop-down removes the # sign, but the results return the proper c# query.

    12. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by farnsworth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google seems to strip out non-alphanumeric symbols.

      This isn't entirely true. net 11 and .net 1.1 return different results.

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    13. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      They do...in their own way...you have to learn the goggle syntax, but there is one...look up google hacking in google, and you will see a lot of johnny links!

    14. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by psydeshow · · Score: 1

      Those options are not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for exact symbol search in strings like "C#" or "x = y * 2", and also, case sensitive search. Sometimes one needs to find identifiers on the internet (and not just in google code search).

      Exactly.

      If you've never tried to learn more about A* using Google, then don't bother posting about how Advanced Search is your friend. It isn't. Go try it.

    15. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      . is an exception?

    16. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      Your post makes me wonder why Google hasn't gotten some sort of bulk reseller license for Lexis Nexis. It seems like if you could purchase one-off batch requests (i.e. execute them overnight when the cost is lower) using Google Check-Out, it could be a boon for Google and L/N.

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    17. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I think the Google algorithm for non-alphanumeric is to replace them with spaces, then fold all runs of whitespace into a single space.

    18. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by rho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wish Google would stop serving me AdSense-laden link-farm pages at the top of my search results.

      I'd rather pay Lexis-Nexis a couple hundred bucks a year than fritter away my life tweaking search queries.

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    19. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the algorithm is as I posted here.

      So, you really did the following searches:

      • net 11
      • net 1 1
    20. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Nick+Ives · · Score: 1

      I think full regular expression support is a very bad thing to expose to the general public even if you have the computing power of Google: it'd be a recipe for a DoS attack.

      Whilst you could safeguard against simple regex that are designed to consume massive amounts of CPU without actually matching anything (worthwhile) for anything non-trivial the only way to find out if it's going to eat up lots of CPU or what it's going to match is to execute it.

      Better symbol matching and proper literal string matches would be nice though.

      BTW, you can do alternation: (regex|"regular expression").

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    21. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by eulernet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Huh ? Google Search supports * since a few months.

      Try a search without * and with, and you'll get different results.
      For example:
      http://www.google.com/search?q=slash

      which returns slash as first hit.

      and:
      http://www.google.com/search?q=slash*

      this one returns slashdot.

    22. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by alexo · · Score: 1

      Similarly I guess they decided that not enough people search for crazy symbol combinations, so those are ignored. There are probably solutions to the problem (e.g. using the sub-pieces of a regex or symbol search to find candidate pages, and then only searching for the exact string on that subset), but again Google seems to have decided that the functionality is not in sufficient demand.

      And here lies the problem.
      For certain types of searches, Google is a monopoly. If they decide that your favourite feature is "not in sufficient demand" and break it, you have no alternatives.

      Take for example Usenet search. Google bought dejanews so I am not aware of any alternative to Google Groups.
      Yet, searching by several authors (which used to work) is now broken.

      Consider the following example:

      Search for 'author:mikea' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 313 for author:mikea.
      Search for 'author:mikeb' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 345 for author:mikeb.
      Search for 'author:mikea | author:mikeb' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 281 for author:mikea | author:mikeb.

      And Presto! New math: 313 + 345 = 281

      Google may not be Evil (though I have my doubts) but they are a good example for why monopolies are bad for the end user.

    23. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because your example is flawed; it stripped out the period between the 1's in "1.1".

      net 1 1 and .net 1.1 yield the same results.

    24. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For certain types of searches, Google is a monopoly. If they decide that your favourite feature is "not in sufficient demand" and break it, you have no alternatives.

      If you or the parent took a moment to learn HOW Google does things, the 2 of you you wouldn't look so foolish. cache of http://cai.au.edu/Training/Content/Google/Google.pdf

      It IS also possible to look for articles on e.g. M$'s proprietary language.
      You just have to realize that the hash sign already has a function in a URL (and that anything after it will be truncated in a Google search).
      The trick is to SUBSTITUTE for that non-alpha symbol.
      cache of http://www.physics.utah.edu/~wiencke/elab/ascii/ascii.html e.g. http://google.com/search?q=C%23

      For certain types of searches, Google is a monopoly. If they decide that your favourite feature is "not in sufficient demand" and break it, you have no alternatives.

      Take for example Usenet search. Google bought dejanews so I am not aware of any alternative to Google Groups. Yet, searching by several authors (which used to work) is now broken.

      Consider the following example: Search for 'author:mikea' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 313 for author:mikea. Search for 'author:mikeb' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 345 for author:mikeb. Search for 'author:mikea | author:mikeb' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 281 for author:mikea | author:mikeb.

      And Presto! New math: 313 + 345 = 281


      ...or you could notice that Google deprecates the pipe symbol and you could bother to learn how Google does a Boolean OR search using only *alpha* characters (also covered in the PDF of Google's handbook).

      ...though you do have a point about the new math; I've found that including something from the header **AND** something from the message body brings up MUCH more in Google Groups searches. Google is interested in Google's interests and apparently that includes saving bandwith by restricting what appears to be redundant results. (It *used* to be more liberal.)

      gewg_

    25. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This probably happens because Google works by pre-computing indexes of term frequencies and caching a huge number of queries

      Not quite. What Google does is rotate its index by 90 degrees: every word in a document causes its URL to be added to the index for that word. Here's an example of a search in action: because of my sentence I wondered how many web pages have used the phrase "URL to be added to the index". The answer is 2. It took 0.5 seconds to do the query -- but NOT because it's cached -- I doubt anyone would have ever searched for it, since I only searched for it because the words appeared in my sentence. So what happened? Did Google search TENS OF BILLIONS of documents for my phrase in 0.5 seconds, just for me, just for that phrase in quote? No.

      What happened is simple. Google got a list of which URL's were at once in the list of documents for "URL", for "added", for "index". (I just tried this search, which took 0.19 seconds and returned only 42 million responses) In the following 0.3 seconds, the 42 million documents were consulted (probably a full-text search) to see if any matched my query. This takes a long time, more than the whole keyword query. It is only at this stage that your theory of how they do queries pops in...

    26. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by alexo · · Score: 1

      ...or you could notice that Google deprecates the pipe symbol and you could bother to learn how Google does a Boolean OR search using only *alpha* characters (also covered in the PDF of Google's handbook).

      ... or you could have tried that search using the alpha "OR" operator instead of the pipe and noticed that it returns exactly the same results.

    27. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by waster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've always preferred http://www.google.com/search?q=glasgow+is+the+*+capital+of+europe to demonstrate this feature.

    28. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when I saw
      :(){ :|:& };:
      as someone's signature and tried to search Google for it...no amount of quoting would find a useful link.

      Yes, I know what it is now, I don't need you to tell me.

    29. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by dargaud · · Score: 1

      A free-form regex can be arbitrarily complicated and would be difficult to pre-compute and cache. To get the right results it would have to search on the full database.

      I understand that the indexing needs simplified terms. So they make the search on that, but instead of displaying the whole thing, what stops them from filtering it through grep before sending it off to to querying browser ? I don't see where the problem is, except that it may miss some matches in the first step.

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    30. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does lexis-nexis even have a retail option? It seems like they only sell to libraries and other newspapers from the info on their web site.

  6. new search pair of dimes? by thedonger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    from TFA:

    "These features really explore search from a broad and entirely new perspective," said Mayer. "Because we realize that when you can't quickly find just the exact information or content you need or want, it's our problem, not yours."

    This is an interesting take on the process of searching. In the past I thought good searching required training or insight, but this line of thinking - putting the onus on the search provider - is bold and interesting.

    Will Google offer the traditional "colander with wires attached" USB device to read our minds and ignore what we type into the search box? If so, it better be free or people will complain.

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    1. Re:new search pair of dimes? by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the past I thought good searching required training or insight, but this line of thinking - putting the onus on the search provider - is bold and interesting.

      It's the right attitude for the service-provider to take, assuming they are trying to make a good product.

      But, this doesn't release the user from learning how to search properly, assuming they are trying to get something useful out of the experience.

      A user-interface designer (or product designer in general) should always be thinking about how users will naturally interact with the product/service, and should make it as fast, painless, and obvious as possible. From Google's point of view, the objective should indeed be to make a search that, as much as possible, correctly guesses what the user was trying to find, and returns that data. The more they are able to do so, the better the user experience will be.

      But, of course, this doesn't mean that users shouldn't learn how to properly use the product as it currently exists, or how to search in general. The better they understand it, the more useful it will be to them.

    2. Re:new search pair of dimes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from TFA:

      "These features really explore search from a broad and entirely new perspective," said Mayer. "Because we realize that when you can't quickly find just the exact information or content you need or want, it's our problem, not yours."

      This is an interesting take on the process of searching. In the past I thought good searching required training or insight, but this line of thinking - putting the onus on the search provider - is bold and interesting.

      Will Google offer the traditional "colander with wires attached" USB device to read our minds and ignore what we type into the search box? If so, it better be free or people will complain.

      If it does, I guess the "porn" keyword will be even more popular.

    3. Re:new search pair of dimes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Will Google offer the traditional "colander with wires attached" USB device to read our minds and ignore what we type into the search box? If so, it better be free or people will complain.

      I'll never forget the first time I saw that helpful "Did you really mean..." tip at the top of my search results. Someone had told me over the phone to go download CuteFTP but I heard QFTP. When Google asked me if I really wanted CuteFTP it about knocked me out of my chair.

      The Googles are watching.

    4. Re:new search pair of dimes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has an advantage given its size and wealth. The claim that "... it's our problem, not yours." is a possible play to Google strength. Since they have massive data centers, tons of cash, and hoards of smart engineers, they prefer to solve problems in ways that play to that strength.

      I'm not sure that it is necessary in this case to make "website data structure extraction" their problem. It would be much better if websites could use standard metadata markup language to describe their data structures in a way that other search engines could understand.

      My reasoning is that we want Google to have as much competition as possible. Google may not be evil but they still need competition to remain interesting. Imagine what microsoft, linux or apple would be without each other.

  7. Blocking results from certain sites... by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... would be the most important in my opinion of "user sophistication", a lot of times google will pull a lot of sites quite frankly should be able to be punished by users by users beign able to filter them out of their search results.

    That might cause google to pause (ad revenue) but personally there's a lot of google manipulation and I'd love it if users could simply FILTER their results but NOT be able to change them and then let google study which sites are blocked or not to get an idea of how clueles (cluefull) their userbase is

    1. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

      a lot of times google will pull a lot of sites quite frankly should be able to be punished by users by users beign able to filter them out of their search results.

      That's a current feature of Google search. Don't want results from slashdot.org or any subdomains in your results? include -site:slashdot.org in your query string.

      It would be nice if, e.g., Wonder Wheel kept site restrictions (positive or negative) when you used it to pull up a related search.

    2. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      But that's the point is the query string is not user friendly, have a permanet user friendly feature where you add sites to a list, etc. When doing searches.

      I'd like to see the stats on how many people use google commands, probably not that many.

    3. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When logged in at least, it'd be nice if I could accumulate a personal blocklist that's blocked on all my searches. In some areas I keep ended up rediscovering the same SEO'd crap sites, and I'd like to just cut them out of my results for good.

    4. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is useful if a single site is the problem, but how do I say "I do not want results from any price comparison site"? This is a problem I see more and more of: searching for a product can bring up pages of more or less lame price comparison sites before meaning ful sites. The actual producer of the product you are looking for is surprisingly often way down in my listings.

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    5. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by DisKurzion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would only need one domain on that list:

      experts-exchange.com

    6. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      -"price comparison" ?

    7. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by pjp6259 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you tried "give me back my google".com?
      http://gmbmg.com/about.php

      I think it might be what you are looking for.

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    8. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by patro · · Score: 1

      ... would be the most important in my opinion of "user sophistication", a lot of times google will pull a lot of sites quite frankly should be able to be punished by users by users beign able to filter them out of their search results.

      Isn't Search Wiki what you're looking for?

    9. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by bendodge · · Score: 1

      You can. When logged into your Google account, you can simply press the small X next to a result and it's gone. IDK if it's domain-wide though.

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    10. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by PingXao · · Score: 1

      That doesn't address the problem of long-term persistent preferences. There are certain domains I would like to exclude on EVERY search I do, and typing in that exclusion filter by hand every time I search doesn't cut it.

    11. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by enoz · · Score: 2, Funny

      The site formerly known as:

      expertsexchange.com

    12. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 1

      That is a great idea! In my simple test, it did filter away some of the annoyances (kelkoo for example), but left some other sites in (swedish sites, that's where I am). At any rate, it is a step forward. Thanks.

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    13. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 1
      Sure, but that particular phrase won't help much (I tried), and I think it would be hard work to find a reliable set of words to filter away. Furthermore, you might remove more than what you want (for example the site you want, if it contains a link to sites for price comparisons).

      The real problem is that you sometimes want to exclude classes of sites.

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    14. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by dargaud · · Score: 1

      experts-exchange.com

      Yeah, what is this garbage site ? Do they scrape mailing lists and usenet for their 'expertise' ? No expert in his right mind would subscribe to a crappy site like that. And how come they always come out on top for any tech search ?

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    15. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by consonant · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand why you feel that way - that site has often given me exactly what I was looking for.

  8. Too specific by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has anyone else noticed google's search results are a little too focused, or personalized? I am finding that useful search results that I had clicked on that were only tangenially related no longer come up when I search under the identical terms a second time. While this is good in most cases, I'd like a way to switch off this "focused laser" approach and open up my results more broadly without having to dig past the first 10 pages of results. I feel like google is so specific that I either find my result in the first three results or not at all these days. I feel like I am missing out on the wonders of finding cool stuff that you didn't know existed, since the results are too good and almost never off topic.

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    1. Re:Too specific by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good news! You can easily switch this feature off: In Firefox press Ctrl+Shift+Del, select "Cookies" and click "Clear Private Data Now"

    2. Re:Too specific by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I'd like a way to switch off this "focused laser" approach

      Easy. Just lose those persistent cookies. My cookies file is just a symlink to /dev/null (a hangover from days when the preference setting wasn't there, but my own paranoia remains), so the cookies disappear whenever I close the browser.

      In any case, I find it fairly easy to pull up earlier search results when I want them, because I always use Google's advanced search page.

    3. Re:Too specific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cuil.com was made for people like you

    4. Re:Too specific by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it seems that if you are from Germany, you can configure and go to .com all you want, you will always get German search results preferred. Which is not what I want. Especially for forum searches on computer questions. The answers in those forums always seem to be extremely retarded. Then you go over to some international/english forum, and it's like a fresh breeze of reason. No offense... but that is my experience.

      In German forums, people will lead you on a totally stupid wrong track, and then go back and forth for pages, generally ruling out the way to the solution, because of that previous assumption. I can't count the times I banged my head on the table because it was so obvious where they went wrong.
      Also don't try to correct them. They think they are right anyway, and so big experts, because they installed Suse all alone.
      Just go over to some international forum for some serious business, and see their track being ruled out in the second message of the thread.

      In that aspect, it's much like comparing the quality of small local TV stations and newspapers to nationwide or international ones.

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    5. Re:Too specific by evanbd · · Score: 1

      I'd actually like to be able to tune it. When I first search something, I'd like to see a variety of things. Frequently there are things in the search that are relevant to the search terms, but not the context I was thinking of. I'd like to be able to say "repeat the search, but I want to see more items like this one and fewer like that one." Frequently I find myself redoing the search manually, trying to think up terms to add or prohibit to get a better list. Somehow I suspect that if I just picked one or two results that were on the right track, and one or two that were totally off base, Google could do a better job refining the search from that than I could be adding more terms.

      Of course, I also want the option to back up and start a clean search.

    6. Re:Too specific by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And use all your useful cookies too. Of dozens of forums (including Slashdot), and tons of other stuff. No thanks.
      If it were selective, then maybe. But this is just plain useless and stupid.

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    7. Re:Too specific by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      It is very easy to go in and delete individual cookies too - you can even filter the list of cookies to pick from by part or all of the web-site's name.

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    8. Re:Too specific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like a way to switch off this "focused laser" approach and open up my results more broadly without having to dig past the first 10 pages of results.

      Use a different search engine and switch back when done?

    9. Re:Too specific by fulldecent · · Score: 1


      Steps to reproduce:
      1. Search for: 5+5=?
      2. Click sumbit

      Actual result:
      Google returns 5+5=10.

      Expected result:
      Google provides an array of answers so that, while I could find the answer I'm looking for with a little effort, but I still have to work for it.

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    10. Re:Too specific by oldhack · · Score: 1

      See, that's why you've got to mix it up with non-porn sites. Ding-ding-ding, use your brain.

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    11. Re:Too specific by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      What? No, as in, I searched for homemade sailboats and a page about the history of sailing canoes in southern england from 1920-1939 pops up with all sorts of images of hand drawn illustrations from out of print books. Two years later I do the same search to find the page again and share it with my friend and no amount of either variations of the original search nor searches specified about sailing canoes from that era and/or region will bring up the result because it hasn't been linked to in at least 60 days nor mentioned in a news article. There's a trove of interesting, one-off data but google is so focused on items relating to the top 100 searches its damn near impossible to get accurate results for non-standard searches unless you only google about that particular topic on a regular basis. My point is google used to be awesome, but now its so accurate its no longer of any use. Its like reading the AP newswire vs opening an actual paper - you're going to find more interesting, tangennially related news items in the paper.

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    12. Re:Too specific by skroops · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know this one, try www.google.com/ncr

    13. Re:Too specific by x78 · · Score: 1

      you will always get German search results preferred

      http://google.com/ncr seems to block it forwarding you to a country website, at least that's what I use if I want to use .com instead of .co.uk, or if I'm browsing through a proxy in another country.
      Alternatively you could log in and set your country to America?
      I think that would work anyway, the cookies from gooogle.de shouldn't work on .com so there'll be no previous search data to throw you German results.

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    14. Re:Too specific by British · · Score: 1

      I'm still finding those search engine result spammers are still getting to the top of the results list, where going to their website shows absolutely nothing useful. Type in ANY search term, and you get a specific website that has apparently entrenched itself in every google search result. Trying to search for a song by an artist will always bring up that freemp3.com result, and that site has zero use whatsoever.

    15. Re:Too specific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are right. Google puts too mush emphasis on timliness of information. Also I find myself in your situation sometimes and I use Google search history for that purpose.

      Google results change constantly. A blog article I posted is on Goodle main index in under 60seconds. Also, if you type a popular query in and search, then click search again when the results come in, you'll get different results, or at least a different number of results.

    16. Re:Too specific by pbhj · · Score: 1

      I think you can get a greasemonkey script for this but if you put &hl=all in your query string instead of &hl=de then you get non-country specific results.

    17. Re:Too specific by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      I already did that. It did not help.

      The ncr thing seems to help, though.

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  9. slice and dice? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    Google has unveiled a list of new search technologies geared to help users 'slice and dice' their Google search results

    Sounds like Googol the Destroyer is getting creative by adding physical violence to the mix of data devouring.

    Don't forget to tune into next week's episode, wherein the reader discovers how Gatus and Joba are faring with their plans, what Stallmanx has been working on in his secret laboratory, and a clue to help unravel the mystery of that which lies within his Beard of Druidic Prowess! Plus, new developments from the crack team of evil underlords who serve Googol the Destroyer!

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  10. Quick Pr0n by ironicsky · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google is just giving us an easier way to find pr0n on the tubes.
    Is setting my "safe search" to off and will see you in the morning.

    1. Re:Quick Pr0n by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm... I wonder if there is a way to search for "unsafe" pictures only. Maybe some internal option or hack?

      Please, please, please... if you're from Google: Add this option in a hidden way, and then "leak" the information to us. You can always just change the way it's used, and then apologize for that little bug. And then leak the new way too. So that we still have access. Whoops. ^^

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    2. Re:Quick Pr0n by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You probably want to google "Repetitive Strain Injury" too... chances are you will be needing that information by morning.

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    3. Re:Quick Pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It works just fine, search for cream pie, select "Images from the page" and verify that almost all of them are NSFW. Google suggested related searches include: sloppy seconds, pearl necklace, facial, squirt boat, and(!) craigs list.

    4. Re:Quick Pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.monzy.org/unsafesearch/

  11. Content owners won't they lose revenue by Jeez01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    lets say you want to research Bulls-Pistons series in 1988 and you decide to use a squared which effectively parses and gets the data you want from Basketball-reference or one of those. Those sites will not get any page hits...

    1. Re:Content owners won't they lose revenue by abigsmurf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah but you see, you're free to put it in the robots.txt if you don't want information pulled straight out of your site without people visiting. Of course that will remove it from the Google index and result in a massive descrease in traffic as the vast majority of people only use google for searching...

      Google, abuse a dominant market position? But their moto is "do no evil"! They would never do something like that!

    2. Re:Content owners won't they lose revenue by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      "Content owners" don't own facts, which are not subject to copyright. So, insofar as content owners are deriving income by leveraging that position to act as if they were "fact owners", that revenue may be at risk.

      OTOH, if its like existing mechanisms Google uses to present information culled from other sources, it will link to the sources, and if users want to get more information from that source specifically, they will be free to click through and explore the source, so it may serve as a kind of free advertising for the sites it culls information from that people actually want.

    3. Re:Content owners won't they lose revenue by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      It is not "culling" information from anywhere. Cull is to selectively collect, where the culled do not form part of the desired results. You and the summary are using the word in precisely the opposite fashion to its meaning.

    4. Re:Content owners won't they lose revenue by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      I guess we need a noculling.txt ... Google is playing by the rules. Work on changing the rule if you don't like it. I know lots of site owners that would be happy to have Google cull their information. So long as their was appropriate credit given to sources. Its not like they are draining your bandwidth. So NOT doing this for the sake of some people who might not want it but put their info up freely on the net and allow for robots seems kind of stupid.

  12. I'm searching at Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... and found something I like!

    1. Re:I'm searching at Google... by zaba · · Score: 1

      Are you feeling lucky?

  13. Slice and Dice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We recommend reading your search results before you "Slice and Dice" them, but then again, who's going to complain about a little extra DPS?

    -Mervh

    1. Re:Slice and Dice by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      We recommend reading your search results before you "Slice and Dice" them, but then again, who's going to complain about a little extra DPS?

      WARNING: If you are at work, do NOT image search "DPS" with safesearch off.

      What? Sure boss, I'll come right into your office. Just give me one sec.

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    2. Re:Slice and Dice by MBaldelli · · Score: 1

      We recommend reading your search results before you "Slice and Dice" them, but then again, who's going to complain about a little extra DPS?

      WARNING: If you are at work, do NOT image search "DPS" with safesearch off. What? Sure boss, I'll come right into your office. Just give me one sec.

      Errr, the Department of Public Safety is stealth porn since when?

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  14. Future of Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The future of search relies upon better parameters for the search.

    Almost all searches are time-sensitive, but some are more time sensitive than others. When I'm looking for information about a piece of software the forum post from five years ago may or may not be relevant.

    When I'm looking for information about the thinnest watch to buy, reading about a watch made over 30 years ago isn't appropriate.

    Context is the big problem in search. The time sensitivity is one context. Product attributes is another. You can't (with the partial exception of Newegg and similar searches) search item properties in most cases. If you're buying a set of headphones not all headphones list their specs nor in the same way. There are a lot of other products besides headphones.

    Sometimes the basic context is spot on, but it's still useless: a forum post of someone with the same question/problem I have, but it was never answered.

    1. Re:Future of Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's wrong with a 30 year old watch? 30 years is nothing for a watch. I've seen watches that are nearly 300 years old and still work.

      In fact watches that are a bit older will have a steady supply of collectors waiting to buy it for more than you paid when you get bored of it. Not everything is disposable like computer parts and electric appliances, watch manufacturers are probably one of the very few industries that still care about quality

    2. Re:Future of Search by brasselv · · Score: 1

      Context is the big problem in search. The time sensitivity is one context. Product attributes is another. You can't (with the partial exception of Newegg and similar searches) search item properties in most cases. If you're buying a set of headphones not all headphones list their specs nor in the same way. There are a lot of other products besides headphones.

      Semantic Web

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  15. "connect people to just the nuggets" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, all of the sudden the Denver Nuggets are in the playoffs kicking butt and everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon.

  16. This is why I love Google by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    The biggest feature for me is searching by time frame/date. This way, I do not have to see decades of "rubbish" in my search results.

    Request:

    GMail: I would like to compose a message and have the option of having it delivered at a future date/time.

    Google Docs: Google should enrich its word processor to capabilities of Zoho Writer. How can Google allow Zoho to "beat" it on this front?

    That's all folks.

    1. Re:This is why I love Google by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      >GMail: I would like to compose a message and have the option of having it delivered at a future date/time.

      In addition, I would like there to be an option to cancel the email when a certain phone number is dialed, so that I can become Jack Bauer, threatening that "if I don't make the call" the email will be sent ordering the terrorist's family to be killed.

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  17. Can somebody tell me how... by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

    Can somebody tell me how to search for results that were indexed between a set of dates?

    Let's say I want to search for "Linux multitasking", but I only want to see magazine articles or blog posts or what have you between 2003 and 2005. How do I do that?

    I have tried [Linux multitask 2003..2005] but that doesn't really work. It gives me articles that have the year WITHIN the text, such as a 2007 article in which somebody discusses 2005. But not just articles that were posted between those years.

    That is a way I would like to slice and dice but don't know how.

    1. Re:Can somebody tell me how... by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      Can somebody tell me how to search for results that were indexed between a set of dates?

      You're right it's not obvious, but it is there. The key is the "Show options" link near the top. The URL syntax, in case you want to customise it to a Firefox keyword or something like that, is http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Linux+multitasking&tbo=1&tbs=tl:1,tll:2003,tlh:2005 (removing "tbo=1&" will hide the options sidebar).

  18. Re:And, most importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sweater looks like someone got drunk and puked on it.

  19. How about finally allowing... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...(perl-style) regular expressions? Or at least allowing to search for non-alphanumeric characters?

    Their search interface is a huge step backward from what old engines like HotBot offered.

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    1. Re:How about finally allowing... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Hey! I was serious!

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  20. Here comes another lawsuit! by Captain+Spam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Saying that its users are becoming increasingly sophisticated, Google has unveiled a list of new search technologies geared to help users 'slice and dice' their Google search results, along with a new tool to help them cull information instead of Web pages.

    (emphasis mine)

    And ten minutes after they release this for real, they get sued by thousands of websites claiming that they're circumventing their ad income or whatever by giving viewers an option to get the data without going to the website and thus not see the ads.

    I mean, that's what the AP's whining about, right?

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    1. Re:Here comes another lawsuit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could always make it easy to opt-out ;)

    2. Re:Here comes another lawsuit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      robots.txt

  21. Good ideas can come from anyone by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    "It's a tossup as to who came up with this idea first."

    Probably just some unknown average person with an interesting idea.

  22. Re:Google Squared- remember Teoma? by alxtoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember around year 2000 there was am animated search engine that produced linked "bubbles" , with the diameter representing relevance. I guess it was Teoma (not sure). Anyone else remembers?

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  23. Re:Google Squared- remember Teoma? by SEWilco · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I remember around year 2000 there was am animated search engine that produced linked "bubbles" , with the diameter representing relevance. I guess it was Teoma (not sure). Anyone else remembers?

    That got replaced by the well-known LOLCAT technology.

  24. Is it just me? by AnalPerfume · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or does the image of Johnny 5 from the movie Short Circuit come to mind when thinking of Google?

    "Need more input!!!!!!"

    1. Re:Is it just me? by Cold+hard+reality · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's just you. No, it does not.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Input! More Input! Need Input!

    3. Re:Is it just me? by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Makes me want to go type jokes into the search bar and see if Google laughs.

  25. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's "Don't be evil". There is a distinction. But by all means, if you have a complaint about Google, now is the time to voice it.

    I think, though, that Google is in the same position Intel is in: their products work very well, so people are willing to ignore just about anything.

    Not that you have any idea what bad things Google is doing. Man, I'm sorry, I shit all over your riff. Continue trolling...

  26. Google Squared vs Wolfram by ilblissli · · Score: 0

    Frankly i'm quite pleased that the Wolfram team came to be. its about time that people introduced new ways to search for information, thus spurring innovation from other search giants to keep up. i'm very excited to see what pans out from both sites, it should help me a lot with finding info for my papers. :)

  27. Needs position, search combining by HandleMyBidness · · Score: 1

    I want to be able to search like this:

    1) term1 near2 term2
    2) term2 near10 term 3
    3) result_set1 not result_set2

    You see a lot of search engines in the legal world that support this style of searching (dtSearch, Concordance).

    So far as I know Lucene (solr?) is the only common engine that supports this sort of search.

  28. are there already standard ways to do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a standard way for a website to describe how to parse its data? Is this a semantic web feature (rdf/owl)? It would be great if to have something similar to the sitemap (maybe datamap, structuremap?).

    It is a waste to figure out everyone's quirky website when it would be much more efficient for the websites to be self-describing. In addition, a standard would mean that other search engines could more easily implement a similar feature.

  29. I just wish they just fix Usenet search by alexo · · Score: 1

    In the olden times of Dejanews, I could search all the Usenet threads I posted in under all the accounts I ever used.
    For a while, Google groups also provided that functionality but eventually they broke it.

    Consider this artificial example:

    Search for 'author:mikea' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 313 for author:mikea.
    Search for 'author:mikeb' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 345 for author:mikeb.
    Search for 'author:mikea | author:mikeb' -- Results 1 - 100 of about 281 for author:mikea | author:mikeb.

    Pathetic.

  30. It's about time... by jjsavage · · Score: 1

    From TFA: "The company is asking web site authors to add microformats or RDFa standards, both of which are geared to allow information, like contact data, to be automatically processed by software." Is this the Semantic Web? After being 'right around the corner' for 20 frickin' years, it's finally lurching into being?? Huzzah!

    1. Re:It's about time... by Magada · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is it. Welcome to the world of semantic innuendo and sloppy taxonomies, don't come crying to me when it all devolves into white noise.

      You think comment and link spam is bad? Wait until "SEO specialists" get their grubby mitts on RDFa.

      Also, who owns (controls/regulates) the namespace?

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  31. Exact word matching can be done by EndoplasmicRidiculus · · Score: 1

    Don't know about regex or non-alphanumeric characters, but to get an exact match just add a + before the word or the phrase in quotes.

  32. Not domain-wide: scribd hate by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

    It's not domain-wide. Scribd is notorious (at least to me) for pushing irrelevant results to the top by generating a frame populated with recent searches to land on that page. I x the little bastards whenever I see them, but it only works on a per-search basis.

    You can apparently perform domain blocking through Google's Custom Search Engine by tweaking the settings after initial setup, but I have never played with CSE to vouch for certain.

  33. Need more coffee by Hashi+Lebwohl · · Score: 1

    "with a new tool to help them cull information instead of Web pages"

    Thought it said 'CUIL' there for a moment.....

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