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Hosting a Highly Inflammatory Document?

IndianaKim writes "I have been asked if I can host or assist in hosting a highly inflammatory document that reflects poorly on a Police Department. I want to help, but I also do not want the headache and possible subjection to search warrants and/or illegal searches. The document is so inflammatory that it could interest the FBI and DoJ and cause them to investigate the government officials involved. I live in the same county, but not the same city, and therefore could be subject to a search (legal or not) by some of these government agencies. I have been asked to host it on a server outside of the US. At this time, I do not have the ability to do that, but I could set it up if I needed to. My question is: would you host it if you were asked? How would you go about protecting the document and yourself?"

471 comments

  1. I know where . . . by arizwebfoot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wikileaks dude

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    1. Re:I know where . . . by Grey+Loki · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Second suggestion for Wikileaks - it's pretty much what it's made for.

    2. Re:I know where . . . by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I third. Leave this one to the professionals.

      You wouldn't want to have your local hometown heroes shoot you and plant a dime bag on your corpse or anything.

    3. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If this document is so inflammatory, why not print up several copies and slip them under the local news building front doors? They will be shielded relatively well from legal abuse.

    4. Re:I know where . . . by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Stick it on Google Sites too. They have the bulk to resist local police departments.

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    5. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's a terrible idea, print is traceable.

    6. Re:I know where . . . by evanbd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That, or Freenet.

    7. Re:I know where . . . by fm6 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Good point about "the professionals". For one thing, Wikileaks is smart enough not to go to Slashdot for legal advice. They'd go to a lawyer, who'd tell you that local authorities can hold a local person accountable for web content, regardless of where it's hosted.

    8. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Wikileaks dude

      Slashdot should get first dibs here. Post it through an off-shore proxy server in a country that isn't subservient to US requests).

    9. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikileaks is the way to go. Then you might want to slip a note under a news crew's door.

    10. Re:I know where . . . by geekboy642 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Print is only technically traceable. Your local PD will not have access to a database that links the inkjet patterns to your name. If, in fact, such a mythical database even exists (doubtful, requires competence from the government and honesty from corporations), it is not a simple matter to perform a lookup. GP's suggestion is near perfect.

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    11. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and where would that be ?

    12. Re:I know where . . . by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      That works great until said country "sees the light" and aligns with the U.S., or any other country that already is.

      Wikileaks is all about leaks and has no interest in selling anyone out in the foreseeable future. They would be doomed if they did.

    13. Re:I know where . . . by arcsine · · Score: 1

      Give it to cryptome.org

    14. Re:I know where . . . by belmolis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, he didn't come here for legal advice. It sounds like he's asking for technical advice. And your legal point is irrelevant - if he can mask his role in distributing the document, the legal powers of the police will be irrelevant. If they don't know who he is, they can't harass him.

    15. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      and where would that be ?

      Hint; if the country has a bank that is considered to be a tax haven, then that country probably has other types of haven-like businesses. Google, as usual, is your friend here, as well as good quality Web sites that teach about privacy, or maybe even Wikileaks has information to good resources. Of course there is Tor, or Tor used in combination with professional proxies.

    16. Re:I know where . . . by rachit · · Score: 1

      Well, you could also cut out letters out of newspapers and magazines and reconstruct the document that way. That way it is less traceable... especially if you use magazines and newspapers from around the country.

      Only problem is it might take a some time, and it might freak the hell out whoever first sees the document... :)

    17. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure they would remove whatever the authorities asked them to remove.

    18. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      That works great until said country "sees the light" and aligns with the U.S., or any other country that already is.

      Generally good quality professional businesses of this sort don't keep logs, or keep logs for very short periods of time (i.e. by the time a formal request for information is made, the logs have been cleared). I'm not up-to-date on specific businesses (I don't use them personally) so I won't mention any.

    19. Re:I know where . . . by Cocoshimmy · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you on this one. But if they're super paranoid, buy a flash drive and copy the document there, in plain text format or one that does not store metadata if possible. If there is a way to trace that back to the copier I'd be surprised.

    20. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          50 copies on the well worn coin fed copy machine at your local grocery store, shipping store, etc. As a note, wear gloves, or when you print them, be sure to dispose of the first and last copies (the ones with your fingerprints on them).

          If it's so nasty that the police will retaliate, they're going to fingerprint them to see if they can find the source.

          An anonymous drop at all the local and quasi-local publications (like state/regional TV stations and newspapers) will go a long way.

          Sure, they may gather the surveillance tapes to try to figure out who did it, so a few copies on various days would work very well. That, or buy an old scanner/printer from a yard sale for cash, and have at it.

          I wouldn't worry too much about them tracing the source, but then again, paranoia isn't just a psychological problem, it's a protective mechanism. :)

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    21. Re:I know where . . . by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good point about "the professionals". For one thing, Wikileaks is smart enough not to go to Slashdot for legal advice.

      The fools, where else can you get expert IANAL legal advice? I mean besides Jack Thompson?

    22. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Print is only technically traceable. Your local PD will not have access to a database that links the inkjet patterns to your name. If, in fact, such a mythical database even exists (doubtful, requires competence from the government and honesty from corporations), it is not a simple matter to perform a lookup. GP's suggestion is near perfect.

      If you are familiar with the EFF you would have realized that your statement is wrong. Here's at least one EFF link, Printers, and another Government Uses Color Laser Printer Technology to Track Documents. As everybody knows, companies do keep information on purchasers, sometimes indefinitely, and credit card details etc can easily be matched up with a database of serial numbers.

      There is nothing magical or mythical here.

    23. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd assume he wants to be viewable by people other than pedosexuals, so that rules out Freenet.

    24. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      paranoia isn't just a psychological problem, it's a protective mechanism. :)

      Wrong. Paranoia is a delusion and a "mental illness". Fear of persecution is a "protective mechanism".

    25. Re:I know where . . . by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      His question was neither technical nor legal. He was asking if he should do it or not.

      I think the answer given here is no, let Wikileaks do it. Good reasons for doing so are technical and legal, which I think is really the justification he was looking for.

      Other factors to consider might be whether he believes the document is "real", whether it has some supporting evidence and whether it can be used to do some good.

    26. Re:I know where . . . by Gerzel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. Wikileaks is the premier inflammatory doc hosting site out there.

      There is a system for subverting the system and you should use that system!

    27. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

          Harassment isn't always so obvious. When I was a kid, for political reasons (that I won't go into, but it wasn't directly me), I had my own private escort to and from school by the police. They tried to not be obvious, but they weren't very good at it. I was pulled over in "routine" traffic stops at least once a week.

          Once, with my mom in the car, I noticed a patrol car pull behind me. I told her, "We're going to be pulled over.", and she said we weren't doing anything wrong. They followed for about a mile, and when we stopped in a mall parking lot, the officer told us to wait with the car. It wasn't his call, he was just told to keep us there until further notice. There wasn't even an ID check. We were just held for 15 minutes, before the harassing officers radioed over to say to let us go this time. They were busy with something else. I was just an easy target that day.

          It became a game with me. I'd spot them before they'd get close behind me, so I'd pull nice polite evasive maneuvers (3 signaled turns on side streets to get out of view, then park and lay the seat down). They may have slowed down my trip by a minute or two, but it was better than being ID'd, personally searched, vehicle searched, questioned, and finally let go.

          Once an officer followed me for 5 miles. Very obviously, because he followed my lane changes, turns, etc. I even made some nonsensical turns, like off of the main road, loop through a neighborhood, and back onto the same main road in the same direction. I pulled into a parking lot with a store, and we got out. He parked several rows over and did the same thing. We were slow about getting out of the car, so he didn't want to be obvious, and walked into the store. Once he was in with his back turned, we got back into our car, and drove away. From the exit of the parking lot, we saw him running for his car. He got caught up in traffic, where we made a clean exit (before the traffic), so we had a 2 minute advantage to get out of sight.

          I grew up thinking that's how the police treated either kids or drivers in general. It happened until I moved out of the area. I was amazed that I wasn't pulled over for anything for years after that.

          I recommend against anything that will make a law enforcement agency want to harass you. If you do, do it very very quietly. In this case, photocopies of the document mailed to the appropriate investigative agencies anonymously are a good idea. Scanning and emailing (from a dummy webmail account in a public location through proxies is good) is a good idea also. Submitting to wikileaks and other similar places is good. Is it interesting enough for the ACLU, EFF, or AlterNet to be interested in?

          The big question is, is the risk (continued harassment for years) worth the gain (busting one cop for smoking pot, or whatever?)

          You could distribute to be redistributed. It's not hard to my online info (look at my profile), and I can give a hint if it's worth the trouble. Contact me through a dummy account, but remember to check it for my response.

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    28. Re:I know where . . . by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you pay cash for your printer, I can't see any way to trace it back to you; and I doubt very much that the shops have the facility to record serial numbers of individual printer sales, link them to credit cards, and report them to the authorities.

      This is probably more useful for where they get a search warrant for your place, and they can establish whether or not it was your printer that was used to print it.

    29. Re:I know where . . . by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not sure I believe your story. Police can't just randomly detain citizens, and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings.

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    30. Re:I know where . . . by gparent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then I'm sure the police will be glad he left his Slashdot nickname, right?

    31. Re:I know where . . . by JustOK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure I believe your story. Police can't just randomly detain citizens

      point is, is it wasn't "random". Perhaps some sort of nefarious intent was involved.

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    32. Re:I know where . . . by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure they can, that is why 'probable cause" is such a wide open standard. I had it happen to me for about a year. The girl I was dating at the time did a lot of babysitting jobs, including a cops kid. The kid thought I was the coolest thing since sliced bread since I had the 80s feathered hair(which was in at the time, thank you very much) along with the leather jacket and a 68 Mustang. I got a feeling after the third stop the cop was hoping to catch me with "something" just to show the kid that "long hairs are bad" or some such shit.

      The funny part was he got caught taking a bribe to sneak some evidence out of the evidence room to throw a case. He didn't know that a buddy of mine that worked bail bonds got so tired of his customers jumping through hoops only to get to court and find "missing evidence" that he talked the judge into installing a hidden camera in the police evidence room. Mr. Asshat cop and a couple of his buddies got busted but good for using the evidence room as their own personal stop n' shop.

      So don't believe for a minute that the supreme court means shit. If he was in a small town the cops pretty much can do what they please. They are all asshole buddies with the judges, prosecutors, lawyers, etc and unless they do something SO outrageous that all the BS in the world won't cover it up, they will get by with it. All you can do is move or do like the above poster did and put up with it.

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    33. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure I believe your story. Police can't just randomly detain citizens, and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings.

      He didn't say it was random. He said it was the opposite of random.

    34. Re:I know where . . . by JustOK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way

      just post as a comment. Slashdot would never remove content...

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    35. Re:I know where . . . by poopdeville · · Score: 0, Troll

      I suggest you hit the dictionary, because "paranoia" does not necessarily imply delusional thoughts, let alone a mental illness.

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    36. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I once had a problem with some local cops in my girlfriend's home town. One of the officer was obsessed with her, and would pull me over every time I came to visit. They attempted to illegally search my car numerous times, and even accused me of selling drugs when I stopped to fill up my tank. The problem went away when I became friends with two state police officers who's barracks were located in the same town. There's nothing more fun than watching a local cop get pulled over by a state cop for "Failing to yield when entering a roadway" (he didn't come to a complete stop when he pulled out of his driveway). My friends made life miserable for him and after that he left me alone.

    37. Re:I know where . . . by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've got a permanent scar from the police beating I got after lying down in the snow and putting my hands behind my head. Police can do anything they want, just like you can, and they can get away with it just fine. According to the police report, I got the scar while trying to climb a fence and escape, and three officers attested to that in writing.

      Cops are thugs who happen to work for the most powerful gang of all. That's it, that's all.

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    38. Re:I know where . . . by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      If only there were a good way to tell which one you are experiencing...

    39. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Back in the 1970s, my nextdoor neighbour got harrassed like that. No good reason, he just looked like a victim, I guess. (He worked as a garbageman.)

      Anyway one day the cop who'd done most of the harrassing came on my neighbour's property without a warrant, just to give him shit, and my neighbour came out with a shotgun and ran off the cop. And that was the end of the problem -- no more harrassment.

      In the 1980s I had a bad cop move in next door. To cut to the chase, one night at 2am he and his buddy drove past and repeatedly shined their spotlight into my window, just to dick with me. I got up, flung on a coat and boots over my nightgear, and hitailed it into town, where I banged on the sheriff's contract-station door til someone finally opened it... complained to the guy on duty and got a confirm who was out in the car (my idiot neighbour and his buddy). I then drove to the main sheriff's office and complained again.

      What got the bad cop in trouble wasn't the stupid harrassment, but the fact that while on duty he was out of his jurisdiction, which was strictly the airport. (We lived on the next road over, but it still counted.) Anyway, shortly afterward he was fired, his wife left him, and his house got repo'd. I stood outside and cheered as the bank hauled off his stuff. :D

      Later another neighbour (who'd known this guy since he was a little kid) told me he'd been cashiered from the Navy "for the good of the service".

      So, yeah... there are bad cops. And given a sampling of two, seems the best reaction is to stand up to them, and raise hell with their superiors (assuming they're not corrupt).

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    40. Re:I know where . . . by norculf · · Score: 1, Informative

      You can't tell a story like that and then NOT tell us what you did to piss them off.

    41. Re:I know where . . . by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      they might keep the serial number when they scan the item and record it against the reciept. they could then canvas all the shops in the area for that serial number and make the time of the reciept to their in store camera.

      if you really wanted to make an anonymous drop of information that could be very very destructive to your saftey/privacy and you think the public really needs to know, drive to the next town, find something low tech which doesn't have a camera or only a camera aimed at the cash draw so it doesn't record you at the copy machine. make about 10 copies of the information all the while wearing gloves (not surgical gloves you don't want to call attention to yourself). pay cash for the copies and some envolopes and one of those label making gadgets (never handwrite anything). next go to a public rest room and take some hair samples (truck stop would be perfect) and drop different hairs into each envolope, just to really throw them off the beaten track if they are REALLY going to come after you (i'm asuming worst case, you know who killed JFK style stuff here).

      then mail these 10 copies off to news agencies at all four corners of the country as well as somewhere like wikileaks. most importantly of all though make sure the information itself doesn't relate to you or give even the tinyest amount of identifable information away about you because that's teh fastest way for them to track you down.

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    42. Re:I know where . . . by onepoint · · Score: 1

      not true at all, a few years back there was a issue with a cult and the copywrite issue. ... think xenu

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    43. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but if you get it secondhand (or replace the drum in a laser printer) then it is like looking for a specific LED shipped from China one year later

    44. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 0

      I suggest you hit the dictionary, because "paranoia" does not necessarily imply delusional thoughts, let alone a mental illness.

      I just referenced WordWeb, and in that case you are wrong. Defining words can be difficult, even more so for the professional who makes a living at it. Most people on Slashdot often refer to specific formal definitions while being "grammar Nazi's", often without realizing that the professionals get there definitions from the places like Slashdot by people who actually use the words in contemporary and cultural context.

      I realize that the GP was using the smiley emoticon, so by implication my reply can be thought of as rhetorical. I think we all know the contexts in which "paranoia" can be used as a medical term or a colloquial pejorative, etc.

    45. Re:I know where . . . by Ziest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would guess you never tried "driving while Black" in L.A. Yes, police do randomly detain citizens. It happens more in big cities here in America then in rural areas but it does happen, especially if they don't like your politics. Trust me, an uncomfortably large percentage of cops are just bullies with a badge.

      Oh, and forget about trying to sue them. Cops lie to protect each other and courts really are not very interested in seeing cops get sued even if you have a case. Sorry guy, but when it comes to cops the deck is stacked against you.

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    46. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if you're really paranoid, buy the inkjet printer with cash so there's nothing to trace back to you.

    47. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hairyfeet: "I had the 80s feathered hair"

      Too much information...

    48. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Interesting

          Fear not, every stop had a legal basis.

          Once I was driving a suspicious car. Oddly enough, it was the only one like it in the area that I knew of.

          Once it was that I kept looking in the mirror. Of course I was. A patrol car was following me around.

          Once I was told "I observed you tailgating a red truck at through ___ intersection." I clearly remembered that I was following a black car, becuse he was driving slow. I was following at 20mph (in a 35 zone) at about 8 car lengths.

          Many were "random" traffic safety stops.

          And the hold I mentioned, the officer detaining me did not have any information on why I was being detained, but to keep the situation peaceful, he politely requested me to stay with the car. He was actually very polite, because he had no clue what it was about. He did say that he didn't have legal authority to detain me, but it would likely be escalated by the local PD (he was county). Rather than cause an incident by refusing to stay, I stayed. He sat in his car waiting for further instructions. I stood by my car, and until just before he said we could leave, he wasn't on the radio. This was before the days of laptops in every patrol car, so I know he wasn't doing anything more nefarious.

          A lawsuit wouldn't go far. In the area, the "good ol' boy" system was well in place, which is why this was happening in the first place. Me, being a 16 through 19 year old boy during the period, I made enough money to buy gas for my car and a few other things. I definitely couldn't afford a lawyer. I did have several opportunities to speak with lawyers on the subject (on my side). I was advised that I would never beat them. The most I would do would be to upset them more, and find myself in more "random" trouble. My options were to:

          1) File lawsuits, and keep appealing up beyond the local "good ol' boy" system. That would be somewhere in the high 6 figures, which it was doubtful I'd ever recover.

          2) Get a different car. This worked for about 2 months.

          3) Move out of the area. I did this at about 19.

          But hey, I don't care if you believe me or not. I know most of the "harassment" stories I read are total irrational paranoia. I thought it was just me for a while, until friends and family started getting annoyed by it, especially when they were in the car with me.

          I was informally accused of several crimes. The "where were you on __ day" question was kind of hard. 6 months ago, at 10pm, where were you? I had no clue. At home asleep? At a friends house? At the movies? As the interrogation continued, it became clear that I was the only suspect in a tv/stereo store robbery. As it turned out later, it was insurance fraud, and I was just a good candidate to harass. Maybe it would have been better if they could have solicited a spontaneous confession. I was so clueless on the whole matter that I couldn't even say something wrong that would match the crime. I've since learned (now being older and wiser), STFU. If they want you to confess, even idle conversation will come back to bite you. The smart ass answer "Ok, you've seen my car. How many TV's did I fit in it?" didn't help the situation at all. Luckily, there were no stolen TV's in the crime, but they did use it to continue questioning me on being there. I wasn't.

          It would probably help if I explained more of their motive, but ... well ... honestly, I don't want to tell. It was absolutely nothing criminal in nature though.

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    49. Re:I know where . . . by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the real world where you need concrete evidence that can survive things like police with guns forcing you to hand it over in order to sue the police for anything.

      The police are a big club that consider one another like brothers and they are all crooked. Some less than others, most think they are the good guys but you can bet that even the mostly dudley do right among them will happily add his false witness to the testimony of another cop or vanish evidence for one.

      Good luck suing the department with no evidence. Oh yeah, and that camera in the cops car that you think is going to help you, the cop can turn it off at will and the department can lose the tapes.

    50. Re:I know where . . . by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Print it at the UPS store, Staples, or the local document copier. Geez, simple problem, simple answer, guys.

    51. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe his story as I've been harassed like that too.

      My sin was I drove both a very fast car and motorcycle in a small town, and had some unsavory friends. I would get pulled over "just to see if you have your license on you". Or, to be told after being followed out of town for several miles that my takeoff in town had "left a bad impression" on the officer even though he would admit there was no excessive motor or tire noise. This went on for a couple of years.

      I was never given a ticket because I wasn't doing anything wrong when I was pulled over. I was just followed and pulled over time, after time, after time. This isn't current history either. This happened in the mid 70's. This type of behavior by police officers has been going on for decades, although I would say that it's much worse now than it used to be as police officers now have an attitude that is much more "us against them" they did 30-35 years ago.

      Maybe it didn't help that when I'd see a cop following me on my way home from work--I worked a 4:30 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. shift 30 miles out of town--I would park my car in our driveway and stand by the road and wave as the OSP officer drove by.

    52. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Informative

      It appears as if you haven't RTFM (read the Slashdot help section here), nor did you do any thoughtful research to back your claim.
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      Slashdot Management certainly tries to be as open as possible with regards to posting, but there are forces outside of its control.

    53. Re:I know where . . . by shaitand · · Score: 1

      That or they can establish that serial number blah blah was shipped to and sold by retailer x who is two blocks away from the main suspect. That gets them the warrant.

    54. Re:I know where . . . by rackserverdeals · · Score: 1

      The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way

      just post as a comment. Slashdot would never remove content...

      Never say never.

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    55. Re:I know where . . . by budgenator · · Score: 1

      unless you leave a big fat thumb print on the drive LOL; I'd use Linux too, no funny traceable DRM things in the file system.

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    56. Re:I know where . . . by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I guess the question might be is if the document is that important and wiki leaks has it, in order to drum up the attention and/or scrutiny it should have, someone is going to have to link to it. Do you think the hassle he is attempting to avoid would still be there?

    57. Re:I know where . . . by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyway one day the cop who'd done most of the harrassing came on my neighbour's property without a warrant, just to give him shit, and my neighbour came out with a shotgun and ran off the cop. And that was the end of the problem -- no more harrassment.

      Don't try this at home, kids. Seriously. Pulling guns on anyone is a bad idea, but pulling guns on cops is truly idiotic, I don't care how in the right you are.

    58. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Informative

          I really don't want to tell. ... I guess I should.

          My dad was a strong candidate for a senior county level elected position.

          The incumbent was well rooted in the "good ol' boy" system. He was close friends with the local judges, sheriff, and most of the deputies. This was very apparent during campaign season. You could spot the who's who of local politics at various fundraisers and political events.

          That rolled downhill to absorb quite a few other law enforcement people to do "a favor" for them. There was at least one state police officer involved, who later went to jail on bribery and corruption charges. One deputy involved also went away on bribery and corruption charges. Both of those happened after I moved away. I don't keep up with their news much, but a friend told me, and sent the newspaper clippings.

          Local police were very friendly with the sheriff's department, as the cities generally didn't have the required manpower at all hours, so through city and county agreements, all of their jurisdictions overlapped. A city police officer from three towns over had arresting powers in any city in the county as well as the unincorporated areas.

          When I mentioned that the deputy didn't have anything to hold me on, he didn't. He was actually being a good cop, and didn't want to put his ass on the line for something stupid that he had no knowledge of. The local PD wanted me, but were busy with something else.

          By distracting my family with the harassment, I believe they hoped my dad would drop out of politics. They couldn't harass him directly, because they knew he wouldn't screw up. I was a teenager, I'm more likely to do something stupid.

          For example, late one night I was driving out of a town towards home. It was a 4 lane divided highway, with only a few cars on the road. I saw a car going the other way, and didn't pay much attention. About a minute later, he had turned around, and was tailgating me. I wasn't sure if it was someone looking for trouble, or a cop, so I drove carefully, expecting them to hit me eventually. After 3 miles of tailgating, it turned out to be a deputy. After a patdown and search of my car, I was given a "careless driving" ticket, that was thrown out when I showed up in court. What if I had floored the gas to get away? I wasn't sure if I should run or not. If I had, that could have been reckless driving, evading law enforcement, blah, blah, blah. a whole stack of misdemeanor charges to put me in jail for a while. I got lucky.

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    59. Re:I know where . . . by YayaY · · Score: 1

      Send it to me with your name and address. I will host it for you freely.

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    60. Re:I know where . . . by Larryish · · Score: 1

      For throw-away hardware, check out your local thrift store.

      Also a good place to find a cheap change of clothes.

    61. Re:I know where . . . by Toonol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That reminds me: Be sure to record a video of yourself that can be uploaded to youtube on event of your death, so the world can know who murdered you.

    62. Re:I know where . . . by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. As the saying goes, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

      Paranoia is judged from a reference frame, and it's implied that the paranoia isn't justified. Unfortunately for those that are subjected to sporadic abuse when authority figures ignore it or try to talk the victim into believe otherwise you surprisingly enough get paranoia as well. I don't think that there's a healthier alternative available, one loses sight of what is and is not abuse, and as such is forced to consider everybody potentially dangerous.

      Which sounds a lot like a "protective mechanism" to me.

    63. Re:I know where . . . by fm6 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      "I live in the same county, but not the same city, and therefore could be subject to a search (legal or not) by some of these government agencies."

    64. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      On second reading:

      just post as a comment. Slashdot would never remove content...

      I've come to realize this as an attempt at humour. Whooosh!!!

    65. Re:I know where . . . by Toonol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's why he said technically traceable. If the printer paper contained death threats or terrorist plans, it might be hit up against the database, which might have the actual printer info (I think both "mights" are substantially less than 50%). For a local issue with corrupt cops or city officials? I think that chance is substantially closer to 0% than 1%.

    66. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know lots of good cops that aren't thugs, but even they will say they are the biggest most powerful street gang!

    67. Re:I know where . . . by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I believe your story. Police can't just randomly detain citizens, and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings.

      Maybe you should start following a feed like InjusticeNews for a few weeks. You'll be amazed at what police get away with, and you'll start wondering what doesn't get caught...

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    68. Re:I know where . . . by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      What? Just fax the local news paper some copies from Fedex or whatever.

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    69. Re:I know where . . . by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      The truck I drive has a Rand quote on the back glass that I swap out every couple of months. The county sheriff is a hard-core liberal.

      I get pulled over every time a county cop gets close enough to run my plates.

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    70. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, you're probably right 99% of the time, but in this case it proved the right thing to do... especially since he caught the bad cop by surprise, and with no backup.

      As to whether pulling a gun is always a bad idea... I've had to use threat of deadly force to run off scum four times myself... twice saving someone's life (one being my own). IMO, getting beat up or robbed or killed because you won't defend yourself is a worse idea. :)

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    71. Re:I know where . . . by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Police can't just randomly detain citizens

      Never confuse "can't" with "not supposed to". One represents an impossibility, the other a mere legal impediment that may or may not be followed or enforced.

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    72. Re:I know where . . . by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      One thing is sure, you are a great victim. Ever heard of hidden cameras?

    73. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Print it at the UPS store, Staples, or the local document copier. Geez, simple problem, simple answer, guys.

      Except for the fact that many copiers and printers can embed their serial numbers along with date and time codes onto a page specifically so documents like this can be tracked back to a specific location (where the security tapes can then be checked to identify the person doing the copying).

    74. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stood outside and cheered as the bank hauled off his stuff. :D

      that was REALLY mature of you!
      but seriously things like this in which someone expresses delight at someone else's plight show YOUR foolishness and immaturity.

    75. Re:I know where . . . by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      I agree that pulling guns on people while they're trying to rob/kill/etc. you is probably justified. (Probably a smart thing to do unless they already have a gun pointed at you)

      Pulling a gun on a cop isn't ever a good idea. Sure, he'll run off now, but he'll be back in 20 minutes with the entire fucking department and a no-knock warrant to arrest your ass.

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    76. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A harassing cop is very unlikely to kill you. Pulling a gun on a cop is an invitation to a fight wherein someone is going to die, you or the cop. It's a no win.

    77. Re:I know where . . . by Ariven · · Score: 1

      High end color laser printers do have the pattern on them, I am not so sure low end printers do.. but there is always printing it out, and taking it down to corner store with a cheap copymachine and making low resolution copies that way.

    78. Re:I know where . . . by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting story. I grew up in the 70's. My parents where hippie ("radical") professors involved in questionable activities and known to associate with other hippie "radicals". My folks also knew a lot of people that used "reefer", and associated with leftist politicos. The cops watched us in a very similar manner, though I'm sure your situation was different.

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    79. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shows you how dangerous some parts of the US must be, with all the guns - I'm middle-40's and neither myself or friends have ever encountered much past a drunken threat in a bar...

    80. Re:I know where . . . by dougmc · · Score: 1

      Well, you could also cut out letters out of newspapers and magazines and reconstruct the document that way.

      I know it's popular in the movies, but it sounds even more traceable.

      Fingerprints in the glue, they may be able to figure out which magazines were used, cut up magazines in your trash to help prove who it was if they do track you down ...

      Know of anybody who's ever really worked out how anonymous these sorts of things are?

    81. Re:I know where . . . by Nitewing98 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You must not live in the midwest (or the south) where the local cops can (and will) do whatever they can get away with, esp. in small towns and out in the county. It can be as simple as, "We knew your daddy and he was a bad apple."

      Here in Kansas City we had a sheriff whose son pleaded guilty to indecent liberties with a child as well as child rape.

      The "law" is only as fair as those who enforce it.

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    82. Re:I know where . . . by glarbl_blarbl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most people on Slashdot often refer to specific formal definitions while being "grammar Nazi's", often without realizing that the professionals get there definitions from the places like Slashdot by people who actually use the words in contemporary and cultural context.

      I think I speak for all the grammar nazis here when I say my head just asploded.

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    83. Re:I know where . . . by dougmc · · Score: 1

      If you ever need to test just how anonymous a system is, just use it to send a death threat against the president. Be specific and credible.

      They will go to great pains to track you down -- they may not pull out *all* the stops, but they'll come close. So if the police come and ask you questions, you'll know it wasn't good enough, and you'll probably have at least a few years in a federal `pound me in the ass prison' to work out what went wrong ...

    84. Re:I know where . . . by pentalive · · Score: 1

      It depends on if the information in the document points back to the poster.

    85. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Kansas City. I, in fact, also consult for a law enforcement agency in said same area. I can introduce you to a whole bunch of really nice cops.

      At the same time, in nearly the same breath, I could also steer you to some of the most corrupt and assholish cops, too. (cough, KCK)

      But, since I'm gunna post A/C on this one, I guess maybe not. Oh well. GG

    86. Re:I know where . . . by anotheregomaniac · · Score: 0

      Take out the yellow ink or toner. Copy only with a black and white copier. This article is about laser printers but the same thing would work for inkjet: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/10/secret_forensic.html

    87. Re:I know where . . . by bendodge · · Score: 1

      Use an OLD B&W laser printer. Nice clean prints and no marks.

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    88. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think I speak for all the grammar nazis here when I say my head just asploded.

      It's ironic. I've taken linguistics courses at school and have always been keenly interested in the use of language, so I thought I would share some of my insights (I'm also interested in psychology). I've gotten labeled a Troll and had both posts down-modded, even both posts were both correct and were not "controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant", and there was certainly no intent, which is one of the fundamental differences of defining a troll from a non troll). I could only assume it was by people who consider themselves "grammar Nazis". To quote Will of Good Will Hunting; "People amaze me!".

    89. Re:I know where . . . by dcollins · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This actually sounds very familiar; a similar thing happened to my family when I was in high school.

      My dad, doctor in a small town, had a run-in with a cop on the road (pulled over & ticketed while racing to a medical emergency). Then he went to a public meeting where he complained to the chief of police. Chief of police told him he wouldn't rest until he was in handcuffs someday.

      So my dad was followed kind of routinely. So was I, and so were my cousins. I got harassed one time sitting in an unmoving vehicle in my uncle's driveway -- cop pulls in behind me and and accuses me of illegal hunting, of all things. (Do I have any hunting gear whatsoever? No, a notepad, pencil and some D&D books.)

      Didn't last as long as your story, but same deal -- harassing a guy's children because he's politically offensive. Real classy.

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    90. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That kind of thinking is SOOOOOO September 10th.

    91. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, let's not discuss it, because we don't have a lawyer present. No one here could possibly know how to get away with something like this.

    92. Re:I know where . . . by malcomreynolds · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure I believe your story. Police can't just randomly detain citizens, and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings.

      Do you only watch Fox News? I honestly cannot believe someone said that.

    93. Re:I know where . . . by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As to whether pulling a gun is always a bad idea... I've had to use threat of deadly force to run off scum four times myself... twice saving someone's life (one being my own). IMO, getting beat up or robbed or killed because you won't defend yourself is a worse idea. :)

      Maybe you should try moving to a better part of town? I have never once been in a situation that would have been improved by the presence of firearms (including being robbed). I've certainly been around gun-carrying thugs before but I generally find you're left alone if you treat others with respect and without fear. I love shooting guns and I don't dispute the right to own them, but I've never felt the need or urge to run around armed myself. YMMV, I suppose.

    94. Re:I know where . . . by glarbl_blarbl · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, I agree with your points... I was pointing out that the sentence I quoted doesn't quite parse :) Also, there is a superfluous apostrophe and you used the wrong "their". Maybe it's time to review your notes from your linguistics class?

      For the record, I only allow my inner grammar nazi loose when I think it'll be funny. My apologies that it's at your expense. And you totally don't deserve all the negative karma from this thread!

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    95. Re:I know where . . . by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      point is, is it wasn't "random". Perhaps some sort of nefarious intent was involved.

      It wasn't me. Besides, I have an alibi.

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    96. Re:I know where . . . by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      that was REALLY mature of you!

      but seriously things like this in which someone expresses delight at someone else's plight show YOUR foolishness and immaturity.

      Actually, there's a word for it - schadenfreude. In fact there's a song by that name. Taking joy in the sorrow of others.

      Now, imagine a scene where an unpleasant group of people; say, a bunch of RIAA lawyers (just to pick an example) got roundly sued and torted and baked into a pie. How would you feel about that?

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    97. Re:I know where . . . by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the comment. I didn't assume that your post was a slight. The problem (in general) is that it can be very hard to tell what people's motivations are in terms of written communication. And yes I agree my post could have been worded better. Sometimes I'm just lazy, and sometimes (with typo's I need to proofread almost every post anal retentively) the signals between my brain and my fingers get crossed. And sometimes rules we learn in elementary school are not accepted as Law by the professionals (like not starting a sentence with "and", though I'm sure this post may have a high likelihood of being modded down by English teachers). I've always been better at theory than practice :P

      I'll point out that I noticed another excessive apostrophe that I'll leave in for good measure; just because it doesn't matter.

      Best regards,

      UTW

    98. Re:I know where . . . by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Government officials do a LOT of things they "can't" do and they do it quite often. There are dozens of operations that are presently set up to monitor and trap police and other officials in doing what they "can't" do.

      You make an interesting and naive presumption that the rules and ethics of government officials are actually followed and adhered to without exception. Judges are routinely caught signing improper warrants and breaking rules of their positions quite often without any consequences. Police and other government officials are often caught doing things they shouldn't or "can't" do without consequences as well. Let's try not confusing "can't" with "shouldn't." Shouldn't is a word we can all agree on while "can't" is provably incorrect as they can, do and get away with it more often than not.

    99. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His question was neither technical nor legal. He was asking if he should do it or not.

      Actually, If you read the last two sentences of his post, it is plain that he asked advice on all three. Basically, would you do it? if so, how?

    100. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Print it at the UPS store, Staples, or the local document copier. Geez, simple problem, simple answer, guys.

      Stores with expensive equipment have cameras and are usually quite eager to help the boys in blue who [supposedly] keep them from being smash-and-grab victims.

      Public is not necessarily anonymous.

    101. Re:I know where . . . by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Sure they can.
      It might not be legal, but they can.

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    102. Re:I know where . . . by siliconincdotnet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I tried driving while being the wrong color once.

      I wound up on the side of the road with a lump on my head after being hit with a flashlight. The car fared much worse, it was totalled after the cop destroyed the interior of it.

      A lot of people say it's only a small minority of cops who make the rest look bad. I disagree - for every one nice cop I meet, I run into five times as many bullying assholes.

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    103. Re:I know where . . . by MartinSchou · · Score: 5, Funny

      cop pulls in behind me and and accuses me of illegal hunting, of all things. (Do I have any hunting gear whatsoever? No, a notepad, pencil and some D&D books.)

      Maybe Goblins were out of season?

    104. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the police have no reason to pull you over, all they will do is follow you for a while untill there is a reason, no matter how small. A possible reason is you were not driving a perfectly straight line.

    105. Re:I know where . . . by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Have it posted as an AC on Slashdot and post using internet through a large company network or through a cellphone internet connection.

      You can of course post it on other sites too where anonymous posting is allowed.

      And it you can make a newspaper take in that it may be even better. At least in some locations (like Sweden) it is actually forbidden to track down anyone who has been delivering information to the press.

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    106. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got arrested for waving a toy gun at some friends (wrong place, wrong time?).

      Plastic toy, purchased at a drug store around the corner.

      I got jumped by 4 cops with guns drawn. Spent the weekend in jail and about $8,000 on attorneys before we got the charges dropped.

      Fun shit, I assure you.

    107. Re:I know where . . . by efalk · · Score: 1

      Google will almost certainly rat you out if given a court order to do so. They almost never fight a court document.

    108. Re:I know where . . . by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And in some areas/countries like Sweden it's even illegal to back-track information to the source if the information has reached a public media reporter.

      But if they publish it is another question.

      Maybe it shall be published in a Swedish Newspaper? :)

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    109. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google likes to please local governments.

    110. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I get pulled over by the cops while driving, I always make a point of being quick and to the point in providing my ID.

      1. reach around to back pocket quickly
      2. pull out wallet
      3. yell take this copper!

    111. Re:I know where . . . by fractoid · · Score: 1

      That's why you print it, THEN photocopy it, maybe with a slightly smudged plastic sheet over it. Using an old non-digital copier that you picked up out of someone's rubbish or bought with cash at a 2nd hand store. Then drop it in a public postbox in a crowded place. Use gloves. Don't let any part of you that contains DNA get into the envelope.

      Did I miss any identifying factors?

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    112. Re:I know where . . . by WaywardGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An unintended consequence of camera-phones is nicer cops and less crime. It takes only seconds to upload a photo of a crime in action, whether a robbery or cops beating someone senseless.

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    113. Re:I know where . . . by s13g3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Upon being stationed back in the US after being stationed over-seas the last 10 years, my father found himself with no U.S. drivers license. So, one day, still in his BDU (battle-dress uniform, aka "cammies" or camouflage) he gets in a staff vehicle and drives to the DMV, where he takes and fails the written drivers exam: the German philosophy of rechtsfahren or, "drive right", was not quite compatible with Georgia laws at the time.

      So, having failed the driving exam, my father walks back out to his car, gets in his, starts the motor and is preparing to drive off when the rookie cop who was hanging around shooting the shit with the girl at the DMV office comes flying out of the building, runs up the drivers side door screaming "GET OUT OF THE CAR! GET OUT NOW!" and draws his .38 service revolver, pointing it through the open window at my father.

      Now, I'm sorry, but anyone who pulls a gun on a soldier in uniform is an idiot. My father, a veteran of four combat tours as a forward observer looks over, raises his hands as is expected, and in the process neatly relieves the officer of his weapon (I've since learned the trick, it's rather useful), pulling the officer by the wrist head-first into the vehicle and introducing him to his friend, a service issue M1911A1 Colt .45. You can guess who won that argument.

      Long story short(er), it turned out the girl in the DMV office - who was fortunately tired of the rookie cop hitting on her all day - later admitted he had said to her that he was going to wait until he got the keys in the ignition so he'd have enough of an offense to throw my old man in jail (driving without a license) and get his first real arrest. Unfortunately for said cop, my father was a duly authorized U.S. Army officer going about official military business in a U.S. Army staff vehicle and was in possession of a valid U.S. Army Drivers license which permitted him to drive said vehicle on any any all U.S. territory, domestic and abroad. The rook's excuse for drawing his gun - that he assumed my father, as a soldier, was also armed, even though up to that point his firearm had remained in his vehicle - didn't fly in state court and he found himself without a badge very quickly. No wonder my dad liked the movie Tank so much when it came out a few years later.

      Sometimes you can only fight fire with fire, and occasionally one must make a stand against harassment: most especially when it comes in the guise of a government or government official trying to abuse his standing. The same way I don't feel sorry at all for the Atlanta cops who executed a wrongly issued (complete lack of evidence of real justification) no-knock warrant on an ~80 year old grandmother who lived in a somewhat bad part of town. A couple of them got shot by an old lady trying to defend herself, thinking she was being robbed, and the cops of course blew her away. I pity the old lady and her family. The cops not at all - sadly these bunch of crooks were only injured, but it serves them right. They were just lucky it wasn't someone with better aim and a weapon bigger than a .22 revolver.

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

      As a result the city of Atlanta is much much more cautious about issuing no-knock warrants, and that whole department was reviewed rather critically, a number of people let go, and their procedures altered. I rather suspect that cops in a certain small Georgia town aren't quite so likely to pull their guns on uniformed soldiers driving Army staff vehicles, either.

      As to whether pulling a gun is always a bad idea... I've had to use threat of deadly force to run off scum four times myself... twice saving someone's life (one being my own). IMO, getting beat up or robbed or killed because you won't defend yourself is a worse idea. :)

      My point

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    114. Re:I know where . . . by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yeah he's clearly the wrong person for the job.

      He really should leave it to somebody else.

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    115. Re:I know where . . . by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those idealists should join the real world once in a while.

      When a guy with a gun tells you not to go anywhere, your options are more limited.

      The cop can make excuses up later. Even if they are stupid excuses they are given the benefit of the doubt by the courts, because once in a while, they get the crooks that way.

      For instance, a real crook might panic and do something stupid when he is forced to pull over.

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    116. Re:I know where . . . by lewko · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you aren't just black?

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    117. Re:I know where . . . by lewko · · Score: 1

      Rick Astley!

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    118. Re:I know where . . . by TheLink · · Score: 1

      No. Just because he got lucky doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

      The bad cop probably didn't want to escalate things further.

      Cops have tasered people in their own homes (ironically after they call 911 for _help_).

      http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/localnews/investigates/stories/wfaa070606_mo_policetasering.20bcdeb9.html

      Don't give them an excuse to screw up, and ruin their "unblemished X year service record".

      They might lose their job, but you could lose your life first.

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    119. Re:I know where . . . by noidentity · · Score: 1

      So the world can know who you CLAIM (will have) murdered you.

    120. Re:I know where . . . by jbdigriz · · Score: 1

      Depends. I won't say the Wikileaks editors are overtly biased. Let someone else say that. Don't get me wrong, Mend...er Julian et al. really are ace, crack investigators, and I respect the principles they aspire to, but I sometimes wonder if there aren't some hidden agendas or ideological blind spots there.

      There are some items Wikileaks won't touch, and I also wonder if the Kenyan populace wouldn't rather have had them not publish those corruption exposes in such a seemingly politically timed manner. I hope nobody really wanted all those people to get killed in the resulting unrest, at least.

      The same of course can be said for the FBI, DOJ, state investigators, etc. Prosecuting attorneys as well. Sometimes, if not often, they're "part of the problem", in fact. If it's a "Brubaker" level and scope of endemic corruption, odds are good anyone of the grand juror class could have vested interests, or were chosen, consciously or otherwise, for their sympatico with the DA.

      It's possible this information may be some innocent, entrapped, or otherwise victimized party's get out of jail card, too. We really don't know the circumstances here, but their defense attorney may be the best judge of how to publicize this kind of information.

      Finding a really good attorney who isn't in on the racket can be a problem, but that's outside the scope of this reply. Sometimes you have to work with what you've got, too. Sometimes it's best not to need a lawyer, too. Wups, I didn't say that.

      However, if it's just protection from searches, subpoenas, etc. that's needed, a Tor hidden server might be a solution.

      Bear in mind it's entirely possible that it could be difficult to divulge the information without revealing identity. Could be a death sentence, or expose parties to all kinds of dirty tricks, hardball tactics, character assassinatin, ruination, Kafkaesque treatment, harrassment, intimdation, threats, blackmail, entrapment attempts, psyops, mindfucks, etc. Yeah, yeah, life ain't fair. On the bright side, though, payback's a bitch.

      If, though, this information really must be published despite all that, put backup copies in safe places, buy your own separate hosting so prosecutorial grandstanding doesn't impinge on someone else's production site, and just publish it. Rinse and repeat as required. Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead, especially if you've got nothing to hide.

      Finally, call it profiteering or just compensation, but don't overlook the money-making opportunities here. What's sauce for the goose, etc. Sorry if that seems cynical, or even corrupt in itself, but why should one have to bleed on a cross for justice while the villains prosper? No good reason I can see, and I thought we supposed to be past human sacrifice, so OC's correspondent should just publish their own damned expose site.

      If you ask me.

    121. Re:I know where . . . by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      Please tell me you're not speaking from experience...

      ---linuxrocks123

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    122. Re:I know where . . . by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for said cop, my father was a duly authorized U.S. Army officer going about official military business in a U.S. Army staff vehicle and was in possession of a valid U.S. Army Drivers license which permitted him to drive said vehicle on any any all U.S. territory, domestic and abroad.

      I do have to laugh at this. Not because of your father, but because of the cop's stupidity. When I was in the military (Canadian Forces), they advised us to never carry our civilian license with us when we were in uniform. If we had to drive our personal vehicle to work, we left the license in the glove box. That way if you did get pulled over for a traffic offense or get into an accident (having a DND 404 license doesn't mean you're immune to traffic laws), there was zero chance of it affecting your civilian driving record or insurance rates.

      I'm surprised the cop didn't know that the military issues drivers' licenses, though. I thought it was common knowledge that you needed a special license to drive military vehicles. Yes, a Milcot, or whatever the US Army equivalent is, is just a militarized Chevrolet Silverado, it's still a military vehicle, and requires a military drivers' license to operate.

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    123. Re:I know where . . . by theillien · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Wikileaks is the premier inflammatory doc hosting site out there.

      There is a system for subverting the system and you should use that system!

      Systematically!

    124. Re:I know where . . . by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You are phenomenally naive. Police harass people all of the time, and they get away with it all of the time, mostly because so many think that "Police can't just randomly detain citizens, and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings." I have seen videotape of cops kicking a guy in the head. The Judge ruled that the cop "used reasonable force" in apprehending the individual. I wanted to kick the Judge in the head and send him flying off the bench, at which time I would explain that I used reasonable force to remove him from the bench. Cops have harassed me many times, and they have falsely imprisoned a family friends son in retaliation for a report filed against them by his mother. This stuff goes on all of the time .

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    125. Re:I know where . . . by theillien · · Score: 1

      I guess the question might be is if the document is that important and wiki leaks has it, in order to drum up the attention and/or scrutiny it should have, someone is going to have to link to it. Do you think the hassle he is attempting to avoid would still be there?

      I imagine the person/group requesting he host the doc on his servers would be linking to it themselves. If it is on Wikileaks and not his server he's removed himself from that conflict. In fact, the people making the request can put it on Wikileaks themselves removing him from the equation entirely.

    126. Re:I know where . . . by fl!ptop · · Score: 1

      getting beat up or robbed or killed because you won't defend yourself is a worse idea

      agreed. it's better to be judged by 12 of your peers than carried by 6.

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    127. Re:I know where . . . by Faerunner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You would be very, very surprised at what most cops don't know.

      Some around here have displayed a lack of knowledge of citizens' constitutional rights, the state weapons laws (whether or not it's legal to carry in certain places, with or without a License to Carry Firearms which allows concealed carry), and I've heard and read stories of cops who refuse to tell someone they've detained whether or not they're free to go on the basis that they're buying time to dig for a reason to arrest, which is frankly a pattern of behavior I find unsettling. When cops work on the assumption that you are guilty until proven innocent during a Terry Stop, on the basis that they think they have articulable suspicion ("he was walking funny and looked at me wrong"), they're going to do everything in their (limited) power to find you guilty right then and there so they can drag you in to jail, and worry about proving it later because chances are you won't take them to court even if you weren't guilty of anything more than picking a wedgie as the cop drove past.

      I'm not saying that all cops are bad or are ignorant of the law - far from it. But those who are seem to be popping up more often and getting away with more, and legal recourse is all well and good until they come knocking on YOUR door and you have to pay the legal fees to defend what should be a clear right not to be harassed by someone in uniform. I'm all for pulling a weapon (gun, baseball bat, cactus, court papers) on a cop if he's abusing his power and shrugging off his responsibility to the law. If we can't defend ourselves and our own rights, we can't expect the cops to be able to do it for us, because they are us - in uniform, with guns.

    128. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YMMV, I suppose.

      Uh, yeah. That really sums up this whole thread.

    129. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Well, a fax would leave a timestamp and origin trail. If he's concerned about the local police retaliating, that would make the trail pretty easy.

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    130. Re:I know where . . . by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      My library doesn't have cameras on the copier.

      The bottom line here is that it is relatively simple to make very it difficult for the local crimin^H^H^H^H^H^Hcops to determine who printed what, where, and who the 'who' is. I don't believe it would ever be "impossible" for the police to find out, however.

    131. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          We're talking about the 80's. They were possible, but not exactly practical. I could have mounted our VHS camcorder somewhere in the car. That wouldn't have been too obvious if they were blind. :)

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    132. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It also falls under "know your police dept." In this case, the "bad cop" was an exception; the sheriff's department itself took a dim view of such behaviour (read my other post above, about how I got another bad cop fired by that same dept.) Admitting that he'd gotten run off someone's property where he had no busines being in the first place (no warrant, no probable cause) would have at the very least cost him his job, and quite possibly gotten him prosecuted. He's lucky my neighbour didn't follow him back to town and file a complaint (as I did in my incident).

      In a corrupt department, yes, your escalation scenario could indeed be the result. However, as someone else in this thread points out -- if no one ever stands up to thugs, thugs get to continue and even expand their behaviour, which certainly isn't progress. Thuggery has to be stopped SOMEWHERE, or freedom is lost. Sometimes *you* are the point where it has to stop, or are in a position to help stop it. Should you always abrogate that responsibility of a free man, that of defending your freedom, just because the enemy is an element of the government? That's precisely when it's most important to stand up for yourself!

      I should mention that these incidents were in Montana, where people are largely expected to be competent to defend themselves (including against bad government), not California, where people are expected to be defenseless sheep who submit to anything the jackboots want to do.

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    133. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The neighbourhood was all right when I moved there. (This was a highly rural area.) Over the years it deteriorated, as scum got run out of Los Angeles and moved out to the boonies, where the living was cheaper and no one was around to keep an eye on them.

      After the first incident, it was several years before any of the local thugs came around again, because word got around that "there's a crazy person with a gun living on that ranch". :) (Actually, I get dead-calm in such situations, which is a lot more scary to perps than if you brandish your gun and yell.)

      I don't live there anymore... However, I still own guns, and if you're up to no good against my person or property, I won't just crawl in a hole and let you get away with it. The cops are half an hour away at best, and meanwhile it's up to me to defend my person and my property.

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    134. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read my other response above. This was a single bad apple, not a corrupt department. The dept. itself would have fired his ass and maybe prosecuted him, if my neighbour had thought to file a complaint. I speak from firsthand experience, having myself filed such a complaint on my later neighbour the bad cop (same dept.) which incident I describe somewhere else in this discussion.

      If the whole dept. is bad, or has reached the "US vs THEM" stage of fascism, well, maybe people should have stood up to the thugs before things reached such a sorry state, eh??

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    135. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My best friends father is a cop. One night when I was around 20, my friend and I were driving around minding our own business. A cruiser in his fathers jurisdiction starts following us and runs the plates at a red light near the entrance to the highway.

      He puts on his flashers, and we pull over from a dead stop. We sat there for a good 20 minutes without the cop even coming to the door of the car. Then, out of nowhere, up the WRONG SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY comes 2 more cruisers with lights and sirens. Eventually, about 40 minutes into sitting there, there was 5 cruisers of cops that all came up to the car simultaneously.

      We hear the following:
      "Does your father know where you are?"

      Then, they all start laughing and tell us we're free to go.

      I can only imagine how many people were endangered, and how many crack deals and such were going on at the same time as the little prank was being pulled.

      This is why I'll never take anyone with a badge seriously.

    136. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If only it were so easy to assign the blame elsewhere. Nope, I'm a good white boy, who would blend in statistically with their demographics.

          But, blacks didn't have a great time. Unrelated to any of my stories, there was a shooting in one of the towns. I had to go hunting online, but found a transcript from the grand jury on the incident. (ahh, gotta love the Internet)

          2 officers were dispatched to a disorderly conduct call at a bar. One black guy was handcuffed, and taken to a patrol car. He resisted inside the back of the car, kicking at the doors.

          A total of 7 officers showed up.

          He was taken out of the car, and while he was resisting, he attacked an officer (by the police accounts of the incident). By the coroner's report, he had skull fractures, crushed testicles, and finally a point blank gunshot wound to the back of the head.

          1 guy in handcuffs vs 7 armed police officers.

          In the end, the ruling came down that it was justifiable.

          Ya, things would have been different if I was black. I probably wouldn't be here to write this.

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    137. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      Joy in the guy getting his comeuppance, does that fall under the same thing?

      He'd previously sued me because my dogs barked at him when he was trespassing on my place and stealing my stuff (he also teased the dogs, then filed complaints when they barked -- mind you we lived right next to the airport runway, so what's this about noise??)

      Far as I was concerned, justice was finally being done, and the Blind Lady deserved a good cheer.

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    138. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely fucking hilarious. Shake your father's hand for me!!

      "Sometimes you can only fight fire with fire, and occasionally one must make a stand against harassment: most especially when it comes in the guise of a government or government official trying to abuse his standing."

      Exactly my point!!!!

      It's funny/sad to watch modern kids who think they're such rebels because they crusade against faceless entities like M$ and the RIAA, yet these same kids are the most likely to just knuckle under because Authority Packs A Gun, and who have no idea why their elders bristle at being treated like sheep.

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    139. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I find his story VERY! believable. I have been there done that. Given a good enough reason either legit or not the Police can and will follow you around and harass you and there is very little you can do about it. Except like the Poster play "Hide and Seek" with them. It can be fun!

    140. Re:I know where . . . by Thing+1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My point exactly. If you let people continue to get away with abusing others, where is their incentive to stop? If more people were prepared to - and did - stand up for themselves more often, especially in the face of such bullies and tyrants, perhaps there would be less people trying to step on others for their own benefit.

      Spoken with eloquence. I applaud you, and salute your father.

      My experience is less dramatic, but still traumatizing and ultimately encouraging. I was beat up a lot as a kid over physical differences. I knew they were stronger, so I never fought back.

      One day, I had taken enough and started fighting back. Even though I lost every fight I participated in, once I started participating I was able to get some good punches and kicks in, and the bullies then moved on to another softer target.

      This completely agrees with your statement: regardless of whether you win or lose, if you fight back, the bullies and tyrants will not only think twice about abusing you, they may think twice about abusing anyone.

      Especially if you can manage to poke one of their eyes out.

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    141. Re:I know where . . . by efalk · · Score: 1

      I was going to say make sure you have anonymous offshore registration, and offshore hosting, but I think Wikileaks is the better, simpler choice.

    142. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait... let me see if I follow.

      If the internet is becoming the new TV...
      you're saying the revolution WILL be televised?

      Awesome!!! (/invest in Lay-Z-Boy stock)

    143. Re:I know where . . . by cellurl · · Score: 1

      1. When I am mayor, I am going to make the police "on call only".
      There are enough cams that people can shoot of crimes. Every offense mentioned above involves patrolling. Removing patrolling would make the USA a better place.

      2. Someone needs to offer a crime-report app for the iphone. For $19.99 per incident, you can upload a video, audio, text, testimony, date stamp and it will get processed by a lawyer-proxy. Any attorneys listening?

    144. Re:I know where . . . by dougmc · · Score: 1
      I'm not speaking from experience. More speaking from sarcasm, actually.

      And really, if your anonymity system *does* pass that secret service muster and you aren't visited by the men in black and blue -- that means you can't use it again. Because if you do, and you make a mistake and they track it back to you, they'll also look at other cases where the system system was used, and so they'll be asking you about why you threatened the president ...

    145. Re:I know where . . . by TheLink · · Score: 1

      He's still lucky. A single bad apple is all it takes to kill you.

      It's harder to do "My Word vs the Cop's Word" if you are dead with a weapon in your hand.

      If you kill the cop instead, the police dept might not take it that well.

      You better have someone videoing the whole thing.

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    146. Re:I know where . . . by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Or your local dumpsters. Thanks to the inkjet printer/ink business model, there is often a cheap inkjet printer in the trash at the apartments close to where I live. Most of them look to be somewhat newish and in pretty decent shape. Most could probably be coaxed into working fairly easily with a refill kit. When you're done just pitch it back where you found it.

    147. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 1

      So what's your solution -- let the thugs have their way??

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    148. Re:I know where . . . by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      Remember: "The law cannot protect you from the police."

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    149. Re:I know where . . . by Criceratops · · Score: 1

      That's why you print it, THEN photocopy it, maybe with a slightly smudged plastic sheet over it. Using an old non-digital copier that you picked up out of someone's rubbish or bought with cash at a 2nd hand store. Then drop it in a public postbox in a crowded place. Use gloves. Don't let any part of you that contains DNA get into the envelope. Did I miss any identifying factors?

      Yes, you forgot to say if we're in a Tom Clancy novel or a William Gibson novel.

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    150. Re:I know where . . . by mpe · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that all cops are bad or are ignorant of the law - far from it.

      You can probably add to that "incompetent when it comes catching actual criminals"..

      But those who are seem to be popping up more often and getting away with more,

      IMHO a major part of the problem is that whilst police officers should be held to a higher standard of behaviour than members of the public are all too often held to a much lower standard. Even to the point of cops quite literally "getting away with murder".

    151. Re:I know where . . . by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 1

      What the hell did you do?

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    152. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you're in LALA land. Cops can and do do whatever they want for whatever reason they want. Below a certain level of harrassment, they get the official look-away, and that's for "professional" police depts. In the "other" kind, anything goes.. just ask the guy in NYC they whose (sorry) anus they shoved a nightstick up.. how many times BEFORE that guy do you suppose that happened? It's nto like their fellow officers were appaled or didnt' know what was happening.

      The MSM isn't going to make these things explicit for you- they happen all the time, obviously, since in that case it was business as ususal until the guy got caught, and even then on the tpae you have other officers walking around not caring about the agonizing screams......ho hum...just another day..

      You'll do better in life and live longer if you learn to read between the lines of what's reported, or at least put 2 and 2 together and get 4. It happens all the time.

    153. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two quotes:

      Even paranoids have enemies (Dr. Henry Kissinger)

      and

      If everyone really is out to get you then paranoia is just good thinking (Dr. Johnny Fever).

    154. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I highly doubt you would have been robbed if you were clearly toting a handgun, as is legal in several US states.

    155. Re:I know where . . . by anagama · · Score: 1

      Hardcore liberal sheriff. Sounds like a basis for a stranger-than-fiction movie!

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    156. Re:I know where . . . by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      You're right. I would have been fucking murdered. Or I would have murdered someone and gone to prison. Either way no good would have come of it. As it was I just lost fifty bucks and some of my faith in my fellow man.

      It was a rough hood, Hyde Park around 1984, it was dusk, I clearly didn't belong there, and I was a scared 17 year-old kid. I was goddamn lucky I didn't have a gun.

    157. Re:I know where . . . by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An unintended consequence of camera-phones is nicer cops and less crime. It takes only seconds to upload a photo of a crime in action, whether a robbery or cops beating someone senseless.

      The other consequence is the police attempting to find/lobby for laws which forbid members of the public photographing the police. Something the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" brigade is strangely quiet about.

    158. Re:I know where . . . by mpe · · Score: 1

      I would guess you never tried "driving while Black" in L.A. Yes, police do randomly detain citizens.

      As well as considerably worst. To the point where the LAPD could have reasonably had the motto "we treat you like a King".

      It happens more in big cities here in America then in rural areas but it does happen, especially if they don't like your politics.

      This is likely to be because cities tend to have a much higher population density than rural areas.

    159. Re:I know where . . . by lordsid · · Score: 1

      Jack Thompson is NOT an expert on anything.

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    160. Re:I know where . . . by mpe · · Score: 1

      A lot of people say it's only a small minority of cops who make the rest look bad. I disagree - for every one nice cop I meet, I run into five times as many bullying assholes.

      Without proper research it's hard to know if this is the actual proportion or if there are a lot of good cops who are invisible to the law abiding public because they too busy doing a decent job... Of course it would be difficult to do any such research in a meaningful way.

    161. Re:I know where . . . by mpe · · Score: 1

      You are phenomenally naive. Police harass people all of the time, and they get away with it all of the time, mostly because so many think that "Police can't just randomly detain citizens, and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings."

      Or "they must have done something to make the police officer react that way", "cops have a difficult job", etc, etc. There is just about always someone saying such things when a police officer seriously assaults (even kills) a member of the public. Even where there is plenty of photographic/video evidence to show otherwise.

    162. Re:I know where . . . by mpe · · Score: 1

      I was never given a ticket because I wasn't doing anything wrong when I was pulled over. I was just followed and pulled over time, after time, after time. This isn't current history either. This happened in the mid 70's. This type of behavior by police officers has been going on for decades, although I would say that it's much worse now than it used to be as police officers now have an attitude that is much more "us against them" they did 30-35 years ago.

      What's different now is that it is easier for people affected in such ways to publish what happened. Even "compare notes" in ways which can identify specific "trouble spots". Since the police hate such websites/blogs/etc that may fuel their attitude of "us against them".

    163. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's usually the places where guns are illegal for law abiding people to own where there's the biggest problem.

    164. Re:I know where . . . by hazem · · Score: 1

      and if they did there's recourse like suing the department for violating Supreme Court rulings.

      There are actually only very limited ways you can sue the police. Civil rights violations against the police pretty much have to be filed as a Section 1983 Action/Complaint, and these are notoriously difficult to carry out with any kind of success. People who have been clearly abused while in police custody (e.g. female strip-searched by male police, with them making sexual comments, captured on camera) rarely win these cases.

      Pursuing a case because you get stopped "often" is going to be even harder because it's your word, "I'm being harassed by being stopped all the time", against theirs, "they were in the wrong part of town/driving a car type often used by criminals/driving erratically/appeared to have a missing tail light".

      And you only get that far if they actually recorded the encounter. If they didn't, and you don't have it on tape, then there's no evidence that anything happened.

      The "justice system" is stacked heavily in favor of the police, prosecutors, and judges. Police are assumed to never lie, and even with blatant evidence of it, an attorney is not permitted to say so. So, even with compelling and insurmountable evidence on your side you still have a slim chance of winning.

    165. Re:I know where . . . by dwandy · · Score: 1

      Never confuse "can't" with "not supposed to"

      Not a single "Stop" sign has in fact caused my car to decelerate to zero, but my will to acknowledge it has.

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    166. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people on Slashdot often refer to specific formal definitions while being "grammar Nazi's", often without realizing that the professionals get there definitions from the places like Slashdot by people who actually use the words in contemporary and cultural context.

      I surely hope that doesn't mean that they will define "there" as the possessive their after reading this comment!

    167. Re:I know where . . . by mi · · Score: 1

      associated with leftist politicos. The cops watched us in a very similar manner, though I'm sure your situation was different.

      As appalled as I am about some of the American cops well deserving of the "pig" moniker, I have to remind the audience, that in the country held by those "leftist politicos" as the shining beacon of humanity, the harassment would've gone much further. I personally know some people, who were arrested and sent to labor camps on false or nonsensical charges, and one woman, who managed to avoid the same fate — only because the KGB did not want to get her three young children on their hands...

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    168. Re:I know where . . . by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Well you could just post it from a throwaway webmail account via something TOR-ish... but I think if you went to the effort of making an actual physical copy that was untraceable, they'd probably take it more seriously than if super_uncoverer_442321@hotmail.com sent them something claiming to uncover "super sekrit bad stuff".

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    169. Re:I know where . . . by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Good point. And for the life of me, I don't know why I didn't see it before you made it. I guess my old age is catching up with me.

    170. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly people, don't you remember dot matrix printers? No fancy digital ID imprints. Print out several copies (after printing, remember to delete the file and do a military grade erase of your free drive space), drive 50 miles away, make your extra photocopies at a 7-11, ditch the printer somewhere (really not that hard to find a place, like a closed gas station's dumpster, or the back door of a Goodwill after hours. If you're really fussy, remove the striking keys before dumping and randomly distribute them, but not in any discernable path back to your home). Wear latex gloves. Take the copies 30 miles at about 120 degrees the other direction, and re-photocopy at a 7-11. Take a random turn and mail drop at a post office about 15 miles away. Make sure you include local, state, your nearest cities, and national media, including radio & TV news stations, newspapers, magazines, and physical blog addresses (if known). Make sure to scatter your sources into several states, some which are at least 2-3 states over. Make sure you have a full CC list so all the sources can contact each other to check to see if it is a hoax. Sure this will take time and some expense, but if you're talking FBI level, non-traceable carpet blanketing should do the trick. Unless you screw up somehow (fingerprints, get pulled over, make a scene while copying, get caught dumping the printer, miss work, get into an accident while driving), even CSI won't be able to track you down. Biggest problem would be getting a printer. Can't Ebay it, so you'll have to find a Goodwill or somesuch about 40 miles away. It's quite easy to do something legal, even if someone is trying to find you. People do legal things all the time. No one notices. It's only when you get lazy or sketchy do people notice you.

      I'm just sayin'

    171. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Most people that you hear about getting caught made stupid mistakes. Like, posting the potential plan to a very public forum. Oops, already done. :)

          More than likely, the distribution of the materials won't get them caught. When the source is found out, they'll sing to the authorities about who they gave it to. "Ok, I'm caught. I gave all the info to Bob. He was going to post it online. Bob lives at 14 main street, and his cell phone number is 555-123-4567."

          There's always a nasty weak link, and the distribution of the document probably won't be it. :)

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    172. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a bunch of BS.

      Why would your dad be carrying his service issued sidearm?

    173. Re:I know where . . . by LonghornXtreme · · Score: 1

      IANAL
      The poster's question completely implicates legal advice. You don't want to know how easy it is to get a search warrant locally... it is NOT a 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard.

    174. Re:I know where . . . by LonghornXtreme · · Score: 1

      IANAL
      Sure you could sue in civil court under Section 1983. The police have much more power than you imagine.

    175. Re:I know where . . . by LonghornXtreme · · Score: 1

      No shit. That's a good way to get yourself killed.

    176. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if it's a color printer.
      A color printer includes its serial number (usually in yellow microdot form) in every printout (anti-counterfeiting measure).

      Cops go to Office Depot, they find the time it was sold, pull the security tapes, and bingo.

    177. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          That's a great story about your dad. He is lucky. Well he had training and experience on his side, but even the best trained people get killed in stupid ways. I'm glad it went the way it did. It sounds like the cop deserved it.

          He, being US Army, isn't authorized to operate inside CONUS off of military installations, so drawing his weapon would be a crime. I'm glad the courts saw that it was self defense. Well, that is now opened up thanks to Bush, but I don't see it generally a good thing to have armed military on American streets. If called upon for a special purpose, sure, but not in general.

          In my state (which may be different there), that would be aggravated assault, aggravated battery, assault on a police officer, and unlawful display of a firearm, at very least. I'm pretty sure all those are felonies in this state (at least 1 year in jail), but I believe they revised the laws so any first offense involving a firearm mandates at least a 10 year sentence.

          But, he was in the right. The cop was being an ass, and deserved to lose his badge.

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    178. Re:I know where . . . by TheLink · · Score: 1

      You better have someone videoing the whole thing.

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    179. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Well, that's fine if you can plan when you'll have the thugs in camera-range... of course a proper thug will simply take the camera away from you, and as a proper sheep, you'll let them. :(

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    180. Re:I know where . . . by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Call me sheep all you want. Going out and trying to chase off a cop with a shotgun is still _stupid_. Stupid people get lucky every so often. It doesn't make them less stupid.

      If he kills you, he can fire your shotgun, wrap your fingers around it, and say he shot you in self defense, then came into your property to further investigate.

      It's not rare for cops to fabricate evidence.

      Try to do things the stupid way just gets you in jail or killed.

      If you can take the trouble to keep a gun and related safeguards in your house, I don't see why you can't have cameras (maybe even mikes) and a system to make sure the cops/burglars can't easily steal the incriminating recordings (offsites backups).

      Once you have the stuff gathering evidence to support your case, if the bad cop is indeed trying to harass or attack you, you are in a better position.

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    181. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 1

      This particular incident happened in 1973. The equipment you propose then cost tens of thousands of dollars -- more than an average person made in a year.

      My point still stands -- it is up to We The People to stand up to thugs in government. No one else is going to do it for us.

      And yes, occasionally someone will get killed. That's the price of liberty.

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    182. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try voting for non-thugs the next time. Or convince non-thugs to run for elections if the other candidates are all thugs.

    183. Re:I know where . . . by Reziac · · Score: 1

      An AC says, "Try voting for non-thugs the next time. Or convince non-thugs to run for elections if the other candidates are all thugs."

      Well, yes. But I have no control over my fellow voters, who may not realise they're voting for thugs. The worst candidates often do none of the thuggery themselves, but engender an atmosphere where thugs thrive -- it's often hard to expose that.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    184. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself, communist jack-ass.

    185. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two things:

      1) If this wasn't within the last couple of years, "hidden" cameras were beyond the means of most teenagers.

      2) Cops never get upset when someone video tapes them.

    186. Re:I know where . . . by alexo · · Score: 1

      I once had a problem with some local cops in my girlfriend's home town. One of the officer was obsessed with her, and would pull me over every time I came to visit. They attempted to illegally search my car numerous times, and even accused me of selling drugs when I stopped to fill up my tank. The problem went away when I became friends with two state police officers who's barracks were located in the same town. There's nothing more fun than watching a local cop get pulled over by a state cop for "Failing to yield when entering a roadway" (he didn't come to a complete stop when he pulled out of his driveway). My friends made life miserable for him and after that he left me alone.

      Am I the only one who sees a problem with this system?

    187. Re:I know where . . . by matt20102 · · Score: 1

      That's exactly right- never speak to a police officer. Here's a video which explains that concept very well: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8167533318153586646 (Talking to the Police by Prof. James Duane) in the context of the 5th amendment and Miranda.

    188. Re:I know where . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story bro,

      So soldiers just walk around with guns in friendly countries and they just leave guns sitting around in the front of their cars unattended? I doubt this, though I generally support what you're saying. I hear other ex-military people talk all the fucking time, they love to try and pull the wool over the eyes of easily impressed civilians.. but they all tell the same fucking stories no matter what branch they're in... or they tell me the same stories people told me when I was in, although they were in many years earlier than myself or are currently in now. This one is new to me but not believable.

    189. Re:I know where . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      That was an excellent speech. I ran it as a news story a few months ago.

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    190. Re:I know where . . . by JustOK · · Score: 1

      yah, sorry. Slashdot musta removed the sarcasm tags from my post.

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  2. 1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to It by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative
    Assuming you & your friend are aware or desire that once this hits the internet it is forever online for all to see, you have friends across the pond. Yes, this is foreign hosting.

    Assuming the document is small, you could install Xerobank (formerly TorPark) and create an account on Wikileaks and upload it to Wikileaks through the Tor onion router. Your anonymity would be assured in a hilariously sound manner.

    Your website need do nothing more than link to Wikileaks and ponder how it got there.

    That would be my plan of action. I would also be careful with all the machines/devices used to transfer that file.

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions. Sorry to sound like Harvey Keitel on Pulp Fiction but ... when you're dealing with serious stuff ...

    My question is: would you host it if you were asked? How would you go about protecting the document and yourself?

    It depends on who is asking me. There are maybe 5 or 6 people in my life that if they approached me with this request and said it was serious and said it had to be me hosting it, I would do it no questions ask. I would not read the document, I would stop them from explaining to me what is the document, I would do it and give them the link. I would then go directly to my lawyer and have a small chat with him. Then I would grab a glass of Chivas Regal and put on a record and take the battery out of my cell phone and relax.

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  3. There's no TIME to lose.... by davidsyes · · Score: 3, Funny

    To borrow from Captain Braxton. And, To borrow from /. and Terminator 2, and more from Trek you will need to start with:

    -- 5 million sun-block,
    -- super-mega tinfoil hat, polymorphic
    -- Federation Timeship Aeon, mk IV
    -- Subspace polarization inhibitor, non-time-domain-collapsing
    -- Fluidic Gateway to unlimited supply of Ketracel White
    -- Vidian anti-aging/anti-phaging cream

    because one, more or all of the cogizant agencies may have reasons to knock your ass across 5 timelines, 27 dimensions, dozens of gender and species reassignments, and multiple states of matter...

    GOOD LUCK!

    (I survived my own ordeal, but it was QUITE a harrowing experience eludi$_#$#@#*_#@*_*$_*&#&_$(+$%$)

    --
    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
    1. Re:There's no TIME to lose.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing you've got to post most of that stuff at slashdot, isn't it. :-)

      If you manage to read this, remember not to bend down to pick up th... what the fu*&(*^&^$%$##>/...........

  4. Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like Hell I would. Something of as high a caliber as you describe MUST be released, nothing else.

  5. wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wikileaks.org nuff said

  6. Few things by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

    Tor + various upload sites
    hate to say it, but spam forums (signed up w/ Tor) w/ a random link to above suggestion

    But your (possible) name and location are already on teh intertubes relating to a about-to-be-released inflammatory document.

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    1. Re:Few things by sexconker · · Score: 1

      That's the dog's name.

    2. Re:Few things by BorgAssimilator · · Score: 1

      But your (possible) name and location are already on teh intertubes relating to a about-to-be-released inflammatory document.

      While that's true, it still doesn't link the person to the document, so they're sill ok.

      Actually, let me rephrase that: They _should_ be ok. There is no direct evidence that connects the two, just circumstantial evidence. However, even though I don't think that would be enough to prove anything, you never know with this government... (oh, and IANAL)

      --
      "Intelligence has nothing to do with politics!"
      -Londo Mollari
    3. Re:Few things by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      Who cares what they can prove? Do they have enough to claim and hold all his possible computing devices as evidence?

      That's deterrent enough for a lot of things, really.

      --
      'Sensible' is a curse word.
  7. Slashdot it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post it here on Slashdot from a 'net cafe hundreds of miles away using an onion routing anonymizing proxy. Problem solved.

    But first ask the question about it here and be sure to include enough identifying information that they'll be able to track you down anyway.

    1. Re:Slashdot it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      net cafe hundreds of miles away using an onion routing anonymizing proxy. Problem solved.

      Bad idea. Most cyber cafes i've seen have cctv.

    2. Re:Slashdot it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point (cctv)! Be sure to hire someone off the street to do it for you with cash. But dye your hair first.

    3. Re:Slashdot it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just drive to a nearby hill or mountain top, find a secluded spot, and use a yagi to go online via someone's open wifi (after randomizing your host's MAC and firewalling all non-onion routed traffic).

    4. Re:Slashdot it by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      He's afraid of the local police, though, who will have a harder time going a hundred miles away and raiding the Internet cafe records on a whim. Something about jurisdiction. I mean, if he were a real criminal, they'd be able to work through it readily enough, but it ought to be enough to deter a casual fishing expedition.

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      The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
  8. Put it on Youtube by doginthewoods · · Score: 1

    NT

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  9. Dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Post it on /b/. You can trust Anon. He's from the internet.

  10. Hmm... Username is "IndianaKim" by bbk · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think we know where to send the black helicopters!

    1. Re:Hmm... Username is "IndianaKim" by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 1

      No! That's what they WANT you to think!

    2. Re:Hmm... Username is "IndianaKim" by onionlee · · Score: 2, Funny
    3. Re:Hmm... Username is "IndianaKim" by baegucb · · Score: 1

      Wow. A new slashdot effect? Look at the results that show up in google: http://www.google.com/#q=indianakim+computers&hl=en&safe=off&start=10&sa=N&fp=ym9qpMmDGWc

  11. IndianaKim writes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oops, cats out...

  12. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by liquidsin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is,...

    i always found it odd that flammable and inflammable mean exactly the same thing...

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  13. Host it or don't. by santax · · Score: 0, Troll

    Simple, either you host it cause you feel that the document is important enough. Or you don't. Now this question seems to me a bit like: I want to be a hero but I don't have the balls. And this I say as a long time active member of Amnesty. Either you stand up to things you don't like, or you remain silent forever. Good luck with your decision.

    1. Re:Host it or don't. by fastest+fascist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Simple, either you host it cause you feel that the document is important enough. Or you don't.

      Important enough for what? Important enough to justify the risk. What you call a simple choice isn't. To make that decision, the OP has to know what the possible consequences of their actions are, and the chances they will have to face them, and weigh that against the importance of the information in question. To know the risk, they have to weigh their options for publishing, the chances of adverse consequences being linked to the amount of personal exposure involved in going public. A person might perform an act that has a chance of landing them in jail, but might decline to do so if it were certain they would be imprisoned for it.

      What seems to you like a case of "not having the balls" seems to me like someone weighing their options and trying to make a rational decision.

    2. Re:Host it or don't. by rackserverdeals · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How appropriate considering the other story today.

      Well said. You do what's right even if it means it won't be easy. The good news is, we live in a country where the chances of being assassinated by government officials is not as great.

      My opinion to the submitter...

      Could mean some headaches, so prepare for them by consulting with an attorney.

      More importantly, if this is something that the FBI or other agencies are going to be interested as you say, then why not go straight to them?

      Don't put something out on the internet because it's cool to do so. That's not the right way. Take it through the proper legal channels. Then if it doesn't go forward, you put it out in the wild.

      You didn't give details, but it is possible that leaking the information could hinder any potential investigation that the FBI or whoever may need to conduct to get more evidence.

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      Dual Opteron < $600
    3. Re:Host it or don't. by santax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't agree with you. If we would think like that nothing would ever get done. If the brave men in WW2 had that spirit of mind I would be speaking German. If you know that you have something in your hands that can be important for others you should not hide that information. If you have proof there are corrupt cops, it's your duty as a person to do everything within your powers to make sure the word gets out. If you don't you can make that same document public 5 years from now and it will still be accurate. And that would be 5 long years for everyone who felt victim to whatever that documents says.

    4. Re:Host it or don't. by choconutdancer · · Score: 1

      I think you're being overly harsh on the guy. You may be an "active member of Amnesty" but he isn't. Your criticism may be better aimed at the person who made the document - he could post it himself, he could publicly email it to everyone he knows, but instead he's asking someone else to release it for him so he can remain hidden. He's asking a friend to put himself on the line to do something he won't do himself publicly (and I'm not blaming him for it either). The poster has balls enough to come here publicly asking for advice. At least he's trying to help and asking for advice on how best to do it. Your criticism of him is undeserved.

    5. Re:Host it or don't. by santax · · Score: 0

      Ok, you have a point there. Maybe I am being too harsh. I do realize that these decisions aren't easy. But I also do feel that if you have a chance to change a bad thing, you should go for it. I did not mean the OP should get himself killed or tortured. That would benefit no-one. So hereby my apologies to the OP and anyone who took offense. Although I find the troll-rating a bit harsh. It is, was and will be my opinion that if you can make the world a bit better, one should do so.

    6. Re:Host it or don't. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Informative

      Either you stand up to things you don't like, or you remain silent forever. Good luck with your decision.

      If you choose to stand up to things you don't like, you still have the choice of tactics in how to make your stand. Part of that it figuring out how to either 1) continue to remain alive and free, or 2) make it expensive for the opposition to kill or imprison you.

      If I were given some hot data -- say, a copy of the "torture photos" that have made Obama lose his testicles (or perhaps to display that he never really had any) -- I would keep in mind that in order to get the information out there, I don't have to arrange for permanent hosting. I just get it out to a bunch of different places long enough for the Streisand Effect to work its magic.

      My suggestion:

      • Take a nice drive to a different city. Pay cash for all gas and tolls. Do some touristy stuff while you're there -- if it comes up, don't deny you were there, but don't advertise it either.
      • With cash, buy a cheap wi-fi card (or USB interface) and hard drive to make your laptop clean, so the MAC address and any browser data won't be traceable to you later. Buy these at different places. Install the drive and wi-fi in your laptop and do a fresh install of your OS.
      • Find a place with free wi-fi. Use it. You want a small cafe or bar that's not going to have security cameras, not a franchise. Be bland and unrememberable.
      • Post the data to wikileaks, certainly. But that's a single point of failure. So also:
      • Post on indymedia.
      • Set up a throw-away Gmail or Yahoo mail account. E-mail copies to journalists (including major bloggers).
      • Set up pages on Google Sites and any other free website provider you can find. (Use mailinator.com for registration.) Put the data up there.
      • Post links to those pages on any blog that's remotely relevant.
      • Optional: with cash, buy a couple of SD cards. Make like Rodrigo Rosenberg and record a video of yourself explaining that if you disappear, it's because the spooks got you. Put a copy of the video and the data in question on the SD cards. Seal in envelopes marked "open only in the event of my death or disappearance." Mail to a few people you can trust (inside another envelope, so the attention-getting message isn't visible...). Works best if you have friends/family who are the sort who would engage in a bloody campaign of vengeance against your killers, but most of us would have to settle for something less dramatic.
      • Wipe the hard drive. Install bogus data on it so it looks boring. Dispose of it and the wi-fi card at an electronics recycling drop-off point.
      • Utterly and completely destroy whatever media originally held the data, and dispose of the remains at several different places.
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      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    7. Re:Host it or don't. by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      So just when does it become one's duty to put personal risk aside and perform such a public service? I think that's a line that can't be drawn without considering the benefits of the act and the consequences for the individual in question. If no such consideration is made, then you're saying a person should risk even death for what may be completely trivial issues. It is not a black and white matter.

  14. A new domain by AlHunt · · Score: 1

    Just buy a new domain, give it anonymous contact info and stick it on a free webhost somewhere offshore.

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    1 in 4 Maine children in struggle with hunger.
    1. Re:A new domain by RPoet · · Score: 1

      Bad advice. The police can make registrars give up the real contact details of any anonymous domain.

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      "Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
    2. Re:A new domain by rackserverdeals · · Score: 1

      I think other registrars can see that info as well.

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      Dual Opteron < $600
    3. Re:A new domain by AlHunt · · Score: 1

      OK, so buy a domain from an offshore registrar. Better yet, have someone offshore buy it from an offshore registrar.

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      1 in 4 Maine children in struggle with hunger.
    4. Re:A new domain by rackserverdeals · · Score: 1

      OK, so buy a domain from an offshore registrar. Better yet, have someone offshore buy it from an offshore registrar.

      Their offshore is our shore. Doh!

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      Dual Opteron < $600
    5. Re:A new domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not the one from east Europe payed by egold...

  15. 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I reckon posting it on 4chan would do the trick

  16. am curious by bugi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I'm curious. Be sure to post another story pointing to the wikileaks url once it goes up.

  17. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's posts like this that make me fall in love with /. all over again!!

  18. let wikileaks host it by shareme · · Score: 0

    let wikileaks host it as they are very experienced in dealing with those issue

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  19. Don't do it if it's that risky. by Pichu0102 · · Score: 1

    More than likely, if it's that bad that you'd end up investigated or arrested or even "disappeared" it's not worth it. If they've managed to keep it hidden, they can cover it up and blame you for falsifying if they want to.

    Just don't do it. If they're corrupt enough that what you say exists really exists, they'll either trip up and fall into the public eye, or destroy you and have people rally to their side, not yours.

    1. Re:Don't do it if it's that risky. by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

      If this is the case, make vids like the Guatemalan guy - but frequently and post on youtube to keep the public up-to-date on your still-livingness, plus post often to somewhere online where you have a friend base. All thru tor so your movement isn't tracked.

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    2. Re:Don't do it if it's that risky. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that. It's good to know you'll stand with us. Thanks for reinforcing my belief in humanity.

    3. Re:Don't do it if it's that risky. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes you have to grow a pair.

      Dirty, out of control police are a worldwide epidemic. SOMETHING has to be done to keep them in line. SOMEBODY needs to watch the watchers. The world DOES need to know when those in authority overstep their bounds.

      Take precautions, but don't ever back down because of fear. When we do that, we're all doomed.

  20. Uh by moogied · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What?? Its the internet man.. no no. I take that back. Its the "Web 2.0", just throw it on EVERY social network outlet you can find, host it on blogs, etc etc. Facebook, myspace, youtube(read it.), blogspot, email it to everyone you can find in the media, etc etc. Once its on the internet it can't go away. If you want a centralized place to point to then make it a torrent on pirates bay. Not easy enough? Fine, post it on blogspot and a 20$/month web hosting service. One of two things will happen:

    1. No one will care and this won't be an issue.

    2. Someone out there will find it, talk about it, and then that one hosting site you use will have its pre-allocated bandwidth tapped out in mere hours. If that happens, it won't matter because the site pointed to the youtube, facebook, myspace, and the torrent.

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    So basically, -1 troll/offtopic is really slashdots way of saying "I hate that you thought of something before me."
  21. Balls Out by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Post it everywhere.
    Don't hide.
    Print that shit out and nail it to the wall, Martin Luther style.

    1. Re:Balls Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I am wrong, but wasent Martin Luther assasinated?

      I think this fellow wishes to avoid such a messy end.

    2. Re:Balls Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Martin Luther = Stroke on February 18, 1546.

      Martin Luther King, Jr. = Assassinated on April 4, 1968.

      Martin Luther King, Sr. = Heart attack on November 11, 1984.

      Anyway, it should also be noted that the police really frown on walking around with no pants.

    3. Re:Balls Out by Adaeniel · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe Martin Luther posted his Ninety-Five Theses on the doors of the Castle Church in Wittenburg, not on the wall.

    4. Re:Balls Out by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

      You're wrong, he died in bed of an apoplectic stroke. You're thinking of Martin Luther King, who was assasinated, but is not the person being referred to here. Martin Luther technically nailed to the door, not the wall, but wall does sound more badass.

    5. Re:Balls Out by rhizome · · Score: 1

      I believe Martin Luther posted his Ninety-Five Theses on the doors of the Castle Church in Wittenburg, not on the wall.

      Huge difference, dude. Thanks for putting the universe straight again.

      --
      When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
    6. Re:Balls Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love it.

    7. Re:Balls Out by Dysproxia · · Score: 1

      Since most exterior doors nowadays tend to be glass and metal, it would be difficult to replicate the feat.

  22. FreeNet by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Yet another reason for us all to be using it.

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  23. And you say you live in a Free Society? by dyfet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Some say that power comes with responsibility, but this is not correct. Freedom is responsibility, and if one fails to be responsible for their own freedom then those who claim 'power' will become responsible for your freedom, and both will be taken from you." - me

    So basically because you fear the ability of law enforcement to abuse their powers in ways that may harm you personally, you are afraid to host this document that I have to presume relates to revealing some potentially illegal police activities? The press refuses to carry this story? And people say they live in a free society, when they are free only to be afraid of the power of government??

    Let me say this. If I had such documents, well, speaking from their presumed perspective and content, I would choose to host them. I would do so proudly. And I would share them with others to host as well, openly, without question. I would make sure they were also mirrored of course on something outside the U.S. as I do have resources for that. But I would happily apply my own resources to host them also.

    Fascism happens when the efficiency and fear of the state becomes more important than the freedom and rights of the people.

    1. Re:And you say you live in a Free Society? by guyminuslife · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The point of a free society is not that power is never abused, it's that there are effective mechanisms for opposing the abuse of power.

      Which is what is happening.

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      I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
    2. Re:And you say you live in a Free Society? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just quote yourself on the internet?

      Congratulations, your comment is now on par with 30,000 sixteen year olds AOL profiles.

    3. Re:And you say you live in a Free Society? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Did you just quote yourself on the internet?" -- me

      Yes. Yes I did.

    4. Re:And you say you live in a Free Society? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me say this. If I had such documents, well, speaking from their presumed perspective and content, I would choose to host them. I would do so proudly. And I would share them with others to host as well, openly, without question.

      Just make sure you haven't done anything illegal yourself, or it won't matter-- your inevitable police harassment will out your illegal act, and then in addition to punishment for the act, you will be labeled as a less than creditable source, and the document will be labeled 'lies'.

      And EVERYONE has done SOMETHING illegal.

  24. Post it on 4chan by jessecurry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    4Chan is where it's at... just scan it and post it.

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    1. Re:Post it on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know if that was a joke or not, but Google David Kernell, Jarrad Willis and Jake Brahm if you think 4chan is a good place to post information anonymously.

    2. Re:Post it on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +4 Insightful for recommending 4chan on /.?

      Phase I complete.

    3. Re:Post it on 4chan by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      to get his name they would need FBI cooperation, and the FBI doesn't normally make helping corrupt local cops put the squeeze on whistleblowers part of their day to day business.

      also local cops ain't football.

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    4. Re:Post it on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dohohoho
      I think someone forgot what happened with Palin...

  25. Well, since we're all wondering.... by martin_henry · · Score: 2

    ...I can think of a few interesting ways. they all start with cleaning the document of any metadata which points to you, then:

    1. drop it on many small thumbdrives around your city/county & watch just about everyone get arrested.
    2. buy a fax machine, find a landline no one's watching & fax to everywhere for which you can find a fax number.
    3. zip it, label it as the latest Britney single and put it on limewire or rapidshare

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    1. Re:Well, since we're all wondering.... by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      3. zip it, label it as the latest Britney single and put it on limewire or rapidshare

      Hooray for the people who download and keep these documents, all 2 of these people!

  26. HavenCo by slashqwerty · · Score: 1, Informative

    HavenCo used to host anything but child porn. They have a few more restrictions now but I think they would have no issue host criticism of a police department. They are based out of Sealand, an independent micronation sitting on a former World War II Maunsell Sea Fort.

    1. Re:HavenCo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I think the restriction that companies, that aren't in business any more, don't host anything is going to be quite important.

  27. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by v3lut · · Score: 2, Funny

    They don't.

    Inflammable is when it's MORE than Flammable.

    Just ask the Infamous El Guapo.

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  28. FFS by goldcd · · Score: 1

    Grow some would you?
    Infinite number of places you could upload it. If it's of any interest, you can be guaranteed that the copying/rehosting will preserve it.
    Mail it to a journalist or two from a paper that might be interested if you want to speed up the process.

  29. Grow a pair by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This document is "so inflamatory it might interest the DoJ or FBI"?

    Then send it to them. Or, if it's valid at all, send it to the closest trustworthy newspaper you can find. Or if nothing else, HIRE A CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER so you know where the line is where you need to stop -- and so you know what to do if an illegal search comes up.

    A random document on the internet means NOTHING to an investigative agency. You might as well walk up and make a random phone call from a stolen cell phone. It's not even probable cause to investigate if you don't have a name to go with the charge.

    Go home, read the Constitution again, and decide if you want to help someone throw mud for zero effect, or if you want to actually see change. Our forefathers fought and died for our right to speak what we believe to be true; you are a coward if you will only exercise that when there is zero effect.

    (Oh, and for the main question: no, I wouldn't. And I wouldn't try hosting it overseas, either; few countries have as strong a free speech protection as the United States.)

    1. Re:Grow a pair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(Oh, and for the main question: no, I wouldn't. And I wouldn't try hosting it overseas, either; few countries have as strong a free speech protection as the United States.)"

      Freedom in USA is just an illusion. You have more freedom in Argentina, Chile, Brasil and Uruguay, and others called 3rd world that most of the "Freedom & democracy defenders". Don't you forget about all that laws to control that are taking place in US

    2. Re:Grow a pair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      few countries have as strong a free speech protection as the United States.

      I was with you until this line.

      Freedom of speech in the US is quickly becoming a thing of the past, thanks to Bush, and now Obama, who really took the ball and is running with it.

      Speak out against the government, and be branded a terrorist (instead of a patriot.) These days that is not a conspiracy theory, it is a FACT. Don't be surprised if you just vanish off the street one day and wind up in Gitmo (which won't be getting closed after all)

      Your advice is good, other than the absurd last line.

    3. Re:Grow a pair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yes, de jure the US has more free speech than most other countries, but, de facto, websites in Russia and other countries of questionable governance are unregulated (unlike the US which aggressively goes after alleged copyvio / libel / info-contraband).

      If you want completely unregulated free speech, host it somewhere where the authorities are too lazy to bother messing with a website.

    4. Re:Grow a pair by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Just because free speech in the US is threatened doesn't mean the point isn't still true. Free speech is threatened everywhere. In many countries you can be sued for libel even if what you write is 100% true. In Canada, you can be tried by a hate-crimes tribunal, without recourse to the regular justice system, if anyone considers what you write to be offensive.

    5. Re:Grow a pair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Oh, and for the main question: no, I wouldn't. And I wouldn't try hosting it overseas, either; few countries have as strong a free speech protection as the United States.)

      Sweden has stronger Freedom of Press laws than in the USA. Your argument is invalid.

  30. sorry... by zxnos · · Score: 0, Troll

    sorry dude, you are already under investigation...

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  31. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by v3lut · · Score: 5, Funny

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    You could probably sell the hard drive on eBay, make a few bucks. I wouldn't worry about scrubbing it tho. Nobody checks those things.

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  32. The black helicopter has already taken off dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better put on that flak jacket and tin-foil hat right now.

    Actually, you need not do it that way. Every police department has an overseeing organization of sorts - just send it to them.

  33. Isn't this slashdot article... by Daemonax · · Score: 4, Informative

    Isn't this slashdot article enough to cause problems for you? If corrupt police suspect you have information that could harm them, then what is to stop them from causing problems for you? They're already corrupt aren't they?

    I would say put it on wikileaks as fast as you can.

    I'm not a lawyer though, so perhaps there are reasons to not do this? Perhaps contact a lawyer first. Give them a copy of the documents.

    1. Re:Isn't this slashdot article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what if you talk to the one doctor that knows the crooked cops?

      Just upload it to wikileaks first, THEN talk to a TRUSTED lawyer.

    2. Re:Isn't this slashdot article... by n3v3rmiss · · Score: 1

      Perhaps contact a lawyer first. Give them a copy of the documents.

      I am assuming you think lawyers are not corrupt too? Perhaps you have not seen underbelly: A tale of two cities. Where the lawyer is the connection between the drug dealers and the bent cops. Note: For reference the above is reference to an aussie tv show about the true story for Mr. Asia

  34. Use Tor by RPoet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why use Xerobank, a commercial service? I recommend installing Tor (which is free) and accessing Wikileaks only through their .onion address, http://gaddbiwdftapglkq.onion/. That way you don't use any exit servers, so nobody can sniff your traffic or even know that you're talking to Wikileaks except Wikileaks themselves (who won't know who you are).

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    1. Re:Use Tor by bircho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More important than that: DO NOT post this file(s) as a .doc, .jpg, .pdf, etc. AS IS. Those formats have metadata that can be used to trace to our source.

    2. Re:Use Tor by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Xerobank connects either to their commercial service or to Tor.

      I'd personally suggest OperaTor, as I find it works better, even though I use Firefox for my day-to-day use.

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    3. Re:Use Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      and for gods sake make sure you use the ransom font! un_trace_able

    4. Re:Use Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Our source"? You fool, you've given yourself away!

    5. Re:Use Tor by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Informative
      Image file metadata for the standard formats can be erased with a good lightweight image-manipulation tool (on Windows, look for IrfanView - I'd be sure to install all the plugins just in case, too, in case one of them supports a different metadata type, et cetera). There's probably more specialized tools as well. Google it up, schmucks.

      .doc has a Microsoft "remove hidden data" widget, and you can look at a variety of the properties directly, but I still wouldn't trust it. Try text, .rtf, maybe HTML? where you can scan the entire file as ASCII and see exactly what's in there.

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    6. Re:Use Tor by zifr · · Score: 1

      Re: my post above about TOR, this is a far better solution. Glad to see it (.onion) posted. DNS still runs outside of the network AFAIK unless you take the time to tunnel everything.

    7. Re:Use Tor by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Printscreen, then paste into something braindead like Paint, then save as GIF, is pretty foolproof.

      As to document text -- the only format that's guaranteed clean is plain text. (RTF can carry metadata.) Copy and paste the visible text into Notepad or Editpad or some other pure text editor, and inspect it to make sure no "comments" or the like came along. If it needs formatting, use the simplest HTML possible, and do it by hand to ensure no ID flags wind up in the file.

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    8. Re:Use Tor by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Why use Xerobank, a commercial service? I recommend installing Tor (which is free) and accessing Wikileaks only through their .onion address, http://gaddbiwdftapglkq.onion/. That way you don't use any exit servers, so nobody can sniff your traffic or even know that you're talking to Wikileaks except Wikileaks themselves (who won't know who you are).

      does that mean something or is it just gibberish?

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    9. Re:Use Tor by RPoet · · Score: 2, Informative

      All .onion addresses are like that. It is associated to the public key of the site's private key, so that it cannot be spoofed.

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    10. Re:Use Tor by Binary+Boy · · Score: 1

      exiftool -overwrite_original -all= /path/to/file.jpg

      That'll dump all editable metadata from a jpg (or tiff, png, and a number of other common formats) using exiftool. if you don't use -overwrite_original then file.jpg is backed up to file.jpg_original before the edit.

    11. Re:Use Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gaddbiwdftapglkq.onion? I'm pretty sure my wife said that in her sleep last night - what's she got herself mixed up in?

  35. Bittorrent by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Bittorrent would be wonderful.

  36. use a payphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's all quite easy if you can find an obscure pay phone that still works and will let you make 800 calls. Get yourself an acoustic coupler and find one of those free dial up accounts. Set up some sort of old laptop, that you found in the trash, to dial in using a script. You could also have it dial in to a bunch of different services to keep them off your track for awhile. Next set up a dyna DNS account and set up the laptop to update it. Hide the laptop somewhere in the phone booth. You will also need to steal power for the laptop from somewhere so get a dc-dc converter and steal the power off of the phone line going to the booth. No one ever uses pay phones anymore but you might want to leave something nasty in the booth to keep the homeless out.

    1. Re: use a payphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acoustic modem coupler? When was the last time you saw one of those? Have you EVER seen one?

    2. Re: use a payphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a ridiculously convoluted and unreliable method of hosting the document. Not to mention that the phone line is unlikely to carry enough juice to power the laptop. Oh and you'll likely leave plenty of fingerprints and other forensic evidence on the laptop and at the phone booth.

  37. why the location statement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I live in the same county, but not the same city, and therefore could be subject to a search"

    I'm curious as to why you think your residence situation is of any importance in the matter.

  38. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by rcw-home · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your anonymity would be assured in a hilariously sound manner.

    That's assuming there's nothing in the document itself that only a particular author would write. That's how they ended up identifying the unibomber.

  39. Posting on Slashdot? by basementman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well the first thing I would do is post about it on Slashdot under my username. That way the cops could have absolutely no way to trace it back to me.

    1. Re:Posting on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Assuming you do upload the document to wikileaks, and the cops start investigating, wikileaks is not going to be the weak link in protecting your identity.

      After uploading, if they catch wind of a /. posting asking about hosting inflammatory documents about local cops, you can bet they'll connect the dots, or at least suspect the connection. Then they'll know it was probably a /. poster named IndianaKim that uploaded the document. Where they would go from there I'm not entirely certain, but it sure gives them something concrete to work with.

      This is a job for Anonymous Coward! (Oh uh, not me though sorry)

  40. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    You could use an existing laptop with an os installed on a flash drive or a live cd, buy a cheap $10 usb wifi adapter and chuck both the cd + wifi in the trash for about $20. Just a fyi ;)

  41. How It's done by b4upoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Certain lawyers have faced a very similar issue. They have learned to live outside of cities and counties that they sue. They have also learned to use drivers and never, ever drive in those cities and counties.
            I also had one friend whose home was burned when her husband ran for county sheriff.
            All in all it is better to be rather remote from the people who may feel endangered by your actions. It it involves crime it may be organized and deadly.

  42. Do what's right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do what is right. Always.

    Consider this: If you do post it, then you may get those who abuse power (like the ones you speak of, those who are okay with the illegal searches) removed from those positions.

    If you don't post it, then they will remain where they are.

    "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I didn't speak up.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist, so I didn't speak up.
    Then they camp for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I didn't speak up.
    Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me." -- NiemÃller

  43. Think twice by TastelessGarbage · · Score: 5, Funny
    Son, you do not want to get on a police shitlist. This will impact your life in a Very Bad Way for years to come.

    Best to do it from the computer of someone that you genuinely despise. This makes it a 2-for-1 when the cops and their associates go after the other guy.

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    1. Re:Think twice by ricky-road-flats · · Score: 2, Funny

      Best to do it from the computer of someone that you genuinely despise.

      Good thinking. Er, can I use your computer for a few minutes?

    2. Re:Think twice by oldhack · · Score: 1

      This ain't funny! It's god-damn INSIGHTFUL!!!

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  44. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    You could probably sell the hard drive on eBay, make a few bucks. I wouldn't worry about scrubbing it tho. Nobody checks those things.

    Well, I have several problems with that. One is that it is uncharacteristic of me to sell something on ebay. Especially hardware like that. This could be easily seen as odd behavior leading them to the drive. The other is that it's probably becoming common to check drives for interesting stuff when you buy them on eBay. The other is that I don't care about the money a 20GB drive would net me if I'm dealing with the law.

    No, I am afraid my course of action would be to vigorously scrub the drive, take the drive apart and spot weld the platters together to make a set of ugly ass coasters with magnets attached as feet to the coaster. I would keep the set in plain view in my living room. Then one day when a guest inquired about them I could say, "Funny story ..."

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  45. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Emnar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    For this to work you would also have to change your wireless interface's Ethernet MAC (hardware) address. By default this is a vendor-specific code that is probably unique enough that it could be used to link you to the upload. This would require that (a) the coffee shop kept some kind of long-term logging on their wireless device, (b) the authorities were able to trace the upload to the coffee shop, and (c) the police had some kind of suspicion of you already. All are improbable, but none are impossible.

    Most wireless cards will let you change the hardware address. I'll leave instructions for how to do that to the enterprising googler.

    The alternative is to use a cheap throwaway laptop with wireless, or a disposable wireless ethernet card.

    (Yes, it's paranoid, but so is the original question.)

  46. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Threni · · Score: 1

    Or email it to cryptome.

  47. What exactly are you afraid of though? by intx13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It depends what you're worried about. If you're concerned about it being proven that you were part of the distribution of the document, then any of the suggestions posed so far will work. Buy a new hard drive, encrypt it, receive the document to it from a USB device (destroy the USB device afterwards). Upload to Wikileaks from the encrypted drive. Destroy the drive.

    However if you are more concerned with being thought to have been part of the distribution (as that is, after all, what's going to get you raided) then you have a bigger problem. You don't care so much whether in 5 years anybody can show you were involved, you only care about right now, can you stay under the radar.

    I would build a suitable alibi (get out of town) and then receive the document from the source. Afterwards, have a change of heart, convince the source that you are NOT going to host it anywhere, convince them you have destroyed the media, and lay low for a while.

    Then upload it to WikiLeaks at your leisure. If your source is convinced that you didn't upload it the Man hopefully won't think so either.

  48. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoosh

  49. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by v3lut · · Score: 1

    irony - noun : the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning

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  50. Just pay a Nigerian spammer to do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Have them e-mail it to everybody in their lists, somebody is bound to get it.

  51. Paranoid much? by bluesk1d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good grief you are paranoid. People spread misinformation and lies about my department on a daily basis. No one cares. You really think some information of questionable validity about some local agency is going to result in a super-secret national alliance of corrupt local agency hit squad coming to find you and search your mom's basement only to have any evidence obtained thrown out for a 4th amendment violation? You watch too many movies, dude.

    1. Re:Paranoid much? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah but your department may not actually be corrupt. The difference between a false accusation and a true one is you have reason to protect yourself from the true one. If I investigated your precinct, right now, on the grounds that I heard about wild hooker parties in the holding cells, I would turn up probably nothing... but if you WERE having wild hooker parties in the cells, you'd have reason to try to stop the investigation at any costs, especially given the repercussions of your gross sexual misconduct.

    2. Re:Paranoid much? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The fact (citation needed) that your department is squeaky clean tells us absolutely nothing about the relevant department in TFA's case. Sure, it might just be some under medicated schizophrenic rambling about a meter maid who totally tapped his bumper; but it might also be the next Rampart Scandal or something in between.

      It's hard to know the exact prevalence; but, on a national level, it's an excellent bet that there are a fair number of instances of gross corruption, extrajudicial killing, torture, and the like floating around.

    3. Re:Paranoid much? by maugle · · Score: 1

      Sure, that's what they want you to think!

    4. Re:Paranoid much? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Good grief you are paranoid. People spread misinformation and lies about my department on a daily basis. No one cares.

      Its when they spread the truth that you folks panic.

      This person says he's got a document. Fine. Let him post it somewhere. Sometimes it takes a little public outrage to get the DoJ off its ass.

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    5. Re:Paranoid much? by LatencyKills · · Score: 1

      Oblig: Why did you blow up the building? Because you made a phone call!

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    6. Re:Paranoid much? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      It's easy not to care when it's lies and misinformation. It's harder when it's true... And who the hell knows what this Slashdot story is about, anyway.

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  52. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except that would only lead them to the author, not the person who uploaded it. And if this person's trusting you that much, I doubt they'd give you up to the cops, especially when they're *the author*. Who cares about the distributor at that point, unless you're going for a "salt the earth" strategy.

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  53. SNeaker net the doc by geekoid · · Score: 1

    to the library, upload it to wikileaks from there.

    Put it on a thumb drives and send them to news sources.

    Anon delivery it to the AG.

    DO all of those.

    Or get a lawyers and find out what you can do and how to behave and what to say if the police come to your door.

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    1. Re:SNeaker net the doc by funkatron · · Score: 1

      Or get a lawyers and find out what you can do and how to behave and what to say if the police come to your door.

      This is pretty simple. You have the right to say nothing to the police and you should use it. IANAL

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  54. Follow your gut by Suisho · · Score: 1

    I don't know whats in it- but most likely I'd refer to another (outside alleged offenders power circle) person/ region to host. Though, wikileaks does not sound bad at all. Getting on "the people in charge" bad side, when they already have been doing wrong is like a neon sign for trouble. If they've done real bad shit- they are willing to do it to you too or far worse, and justify it with a signature, paperwork and someones pay raise. Careful what you say- like others have pointed out- posting here isn't necessarily a good option. You were vague- yet sometimes tiny scattered footprints lead to a path. Also- most importantly, follow your gut. If it seems like something that needs to be done, do it. Just do it safe, do it right and do it the best you can. There is only one chance at this: once it is out it is out.

  55. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Word.

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  56. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    They are most likely to be traced by the mac address of the laptop they use at starbucks so I would suggest disposing of the wifi device as well.

  57. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

    Inflammable means only flammable when in something else

  58. Anonymous Coward by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    I would have started the process by posting as an AC to Slashdot, rather than a name that has an e-mail address attached to it.

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  59. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One is that it is uncharacteristic of me to sell something on ebay.

    You don't want to sell it there, you want to buy the 20gig hard drive there. Or, go to a local used computer store. They've probably got 300 10-20 gig laptop hard drives laying around collecting dust.

    Also, if you don't have first-hand knowledge of the facts in this "inflammatory document" be sure you trust the person presenting it to you with your life (or at least your freedom). If the contents of the document point to a single person (or even 20 persons) who could be the only ones who could have made this document public, it's trivial for a police department, even a local bunch of Barneys, to sweat the 20 people until the one who gave you the document also gives you up.

    I'm inclined to believe that a journalist is the best person to make this public. They also tend to have impressive backbone when it comes to keeping a whistleblower's name secret. In fact, it's what they live for, at least the good ones.

    No matter what the contents of the document, if it's really "inflammatory" and not just a way to fuck with someone, I bet there's a righteous organization somewhere that will do the heavy lifting for you.

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  60. Too Late by az1324 · · Score: 0

    Your questionably ambiguous username plus your statements that you live in the same county covered by the document mean that once it gets out it won't be that hard to find you. Start running!

  61. Just do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's in the US, They need to get permission to look at your servers (unless you're hosted by a big company - they'll just screw you). You wouldn't be breaking the law by putting it up. There are iconoclasts everywhere - why would they harass you specifically? I'd do it. Especially if it had a hand in the downfall of Christianity.... But that's just a personal preference.

  62. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

    inflammable in French means flammable (or inflammable) in English. Maybe some linguistic contamination? Ininflammable means non-flammable.

  63. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Great plan, with two extensions.

    1. Use an Ubuntu Live CD and a throwaway flash drive.
    2. Have an alibi. Electronic breadcrumbs work great. Send a friend who looks like you out with your VISA card and cellphone to buy $5 worth of gas while wearing your ballcap and jacket at the same time you are at a Wifi hotspot uploading to wikileaks.
    3. If you have you friend pick you up, make sure the cell phone is off and you aren't in a car with OnStar service.
    4. If you involve a friend, make sure you friend isn't an idiot with a big mouth. It is best to act alone

    Remember, the police have infinite resources to catch you. Think carefully before you act and remain calm.

  64. Paste the whole text in a Slashdot post ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless it's about some nutcase religious cult, Taco won't give in and delete it.

  65. You are .... $7up1d or what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men, if you don't want the police and everyone all busting your balls, the last thing you should do is say "I have some inflammatory material, should I publish it?".

    Or you shut up and say your customer, No thanks, good luck I have never seen you.

    Or you cash first (double or triple your usual fee), use tor to publish it in a public abroad access server, give your customer the link and then you say: "good luck I have never seen you."

  66. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He meant inflammatory.

  67. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 1

    Hmm ... if the level of "trail covering" you are recommending is necessary, then he/she could have given the game away by posting his/her question to Slashdot.

  68. What do you have? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have an inflammatory document, or do you have evidence of a crime?

    If it's the former, it's "inflammatory" to you but ho-hum to anyone else.

    If it's the latter, %%SSE##SS%%SS#ESSNO CARRIER

  69. Gender Bender*?...Oops!... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Well, first off*, you should have submitted this as AC instead of IndianaKim.
    Your anonymity may already be compromised. (this 'IndianaKim' looks good in black! Hubba! Hubba!-)
    [safe for work-but no guarantees on 'safe for wife/girlfriend', though...YMMV]

    Secondly, as others have said, Tor+public wifi+wikilinks==decent solution if you fear hosting it yourself.

    Thirdly, internet hosting is not the only solution here. News outlets/journalists love this stuff if there is any veracity!(well, whatever, YMMV)

    And fourth, if the FBI and DoJ would be as interested as you believe, then it is your 'Patriotic American Duty as a Citizen' to give it to them. Really.

    *LOL, 'IndianaKim' could also be a male Korean[or not] dude in Indiana! If so, no disrespect was intended[see:'subject']...just pointing out the possible problems of 'leaving tracks online' to be followed to the 'real world you'. I just liked the okcupid.com/pic's I found in the google search for that username, so I used that as an example!

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    1. Re:Gender Bender*?...Oops!... by JordanL · · Score: 1

      So we know that okcupid link is safe... that chick is way too hot to post on Slashdot (and that's a very low bar...)

    2. Re:Gender Bender*?...Oops!... by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Ah! You are correct.
      I will just claim that I got hopelessly side tracked!!!!
      Damn!

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  70. Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're setting yourself up for every Fucking-Ballbusting-Idiot who's drooling to do full body-cavity search. Pass on it.

  71. Send it everywhere. by Animats · · Score: 1

    Put it on Wikileaks. Send it anonymously to the New York Times, the Washington Post, and a few key congressional offices. That's a good start.

    When in doubt, ask what would Herblock say?

  72. GNUNet by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    Wikileaks is a good place to start. Another impressive project is GNUNet. The folks working on it have really thought through the technical requirements for robust support of free speech. It is a thing of beauty.

    http://gnunet.org/
    http://gnunet.org/faq.php3?xlang=English

  73. First amendment, take it to the supreme court. by skulluminati · · Score: 1

    I do believe the FBI will take anonymous tips, but it may not make a difference unless the people know about it. Use a fake name, go through some anonymous proxy servers and do host it in another country host it everywhere, Wikileaks as other people have mentioned. If you are worried about illegal search make sure you don't have anything in your possession they can use against you. If they violate your first amendment right I would take it all the way to the supreme court.

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  74. Protect YOUrself: ask a friend to host it... by potus98 · · Score: 1

    ...just like someone's doing to you. :-)

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  75. How Paranoid Are You? by BSDevil · · Score: 1

    The answer to that impacts how you go about doing this (I'm going to skip the bits about how you should also be going to the FBI, DOJ, and your lawyer).

    If the answer is "seriously", what about going to the nearest major city (i.e. not the one you live in, but a few hours' drive away), buying a used laptop off Craigslist, sticking in a Ubuntu LiveCD with some variant of Tor, and connecting to an open wifi point to email the doc to WikiLeaks and Cryptome? Use a brand-new gmail address, never use it again, and then throw the laptop out/leave it somewhere to get stolen.

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  76. Let the internet back it up by Omniscient+Lurker · · Score: 1

    You made no mention of its size so I'm assuming only ~50-200 MB.

    Buy the cheapest laptop/netbook you can find. Go to a free netcafe and torrent it*. Be sure to link here, digg, 4chan, everywhere to ensure quick propagation. Post to wikileaks like so many have said (from somewhere else). Don't host it personally, let the internet back it up.

    Create a gmail account, email to every news agency you can think of.

    Get a bunch of thumbdrives, load them up with it, give them to anyone who would care about this.

    *Will take a long time, maybe try and find a library with free wifi and abandon the laptop on a secluded shelf (I suggest the legal/tax law section). Ensure no fingerprints or hairs are on it. Heck buy a refurnished laptop and let the previous owner's information throw them off you.

    Get a bunch of flashdrives and turn every computer in a library into a seeder, I hear bitcomet can be run off a flashdrive. If you use those tiny microdrives you could hide them in the back of a machine and the rest of the world will take forever to find them (forever defined as long enough to get the internet to seed them).

    Get a lawyer for if they do find you out.

  77. Indirection and Protection by jason.sweet · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I were you, I would host it on a stolen iphone and make sure my hat was reinforced with an extra layer of tin-foil.

  78. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    Last small drive I took apart, the platter (haven't seen a two platter 20G in awhile) was a metalized glass like substance that broke very easily. If that is the case powder it and flush the powder. If it really is metal take a propane torch to it and make it glow, I seem to remember that magnets hate getting hot to that level. Oh, also toss the (cooled) remains in the trash at a busy McDonald's, sans fingerprints. And yes, I do take drives apart every chance I get, got to love those fingernail breaking neodymium magnets...

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  79. Two questions: Whether? and How? by redelm · · Score: 1
    Most people have been answer in : How? so I'll thry whether to host or not. The ethical question:

    Whether I'd host or not is first a question -- Is it my decision? Am I an employee, or an owner? This thing risks being an unprofitable venture. and owners should make decisions about such risks. Otherwise, an employee is effectively stealing. Some people think it's OK to steal from companies. I don't.

    Presuming I _can_ make a decision, itthen becomes a question -- Is it worth it? Is the matter worth going to the mat for? Is it genuine and accurate, or is it libelous sour-grapes? Or a smear campaign? This is an individual judgement. Playing Don Quixote is in the best American democratic tradition, but you should choose your windmills.

    How is an easier question other posters have addressed. I would add that I would do a "soft-launch", get the doc out there on USENET, 'blogs, wiki (leaks and other). Make sure it has good keywords for easy findeability (put in preface and META headers). Only once it has spread, then publicise it.

    Insert a bunch of links to other locations so potentially hostile entities become discouraged they can "recapture" the doc. Many may be ignorant of internet operations and think they can kill one site to make it go away. Educate them. Likewise, even the publicity page can be spread and soft-lauched.

  80. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    I think this is a little over the top, given that he submitted his plan on /. already.

  81. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by owlstead · · Score: 1

    Then the drive would get famous and you would sell it on ebay, right? Good plan!

  82. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or simply use a VM that lets you manually set the MAC.

  83. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by couchslug · · Score: 1

    "Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions."

    You don't need to buy a hard disk. Boot a Knoppix or Ubuntu live CD and read the document from a disposable flash drive. Drop drive into an empty soda can, smash can flat, discard in trash. Your lappy hard drive is never touched.

    Spoof your MAC address or use a throwaway WLAN card:

    http://www.village-elder.com/blog/archives/6-How-to-spoof-your-MAC-address-under-Linux.html

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  84. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I am afraid my course of action would be to vigorously scrub the drive, take the drive apart and spot weld the platters together to make a set of ugly ass coasters with magnets attached as feet to the coaster. I would keep the set in plain view in my living room. Then one day when a guest inquired about them I could say, "Funny story ..."

    Or... you can do this:

    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda3

    this assumes that the 20 GB hard drive is located at /dev/sda3

    From what I've read, it's not yet been proven as to whether or not it's possible to recover data that has been zeroed using dd.

  85. Re:Slashdot it ... i deg to biffer.... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    That's why s/he/it needs to visit Paramount or fans and find the Vidian frayed-skin emulsified-flattulance cookbook and dress up like one. THEN enter said internet cafe. Problems with this idea? Don't worry. S/he/it will be dressing up like a Vidian dressing up like a human dressing up like a Vidian descended from a time-line-displaced/nuked fugitive pretending to be a mergee from multiple Earth continents...

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  86. If it were me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and I absolutely had to distribute this, I'd find a good lawyer. The ones I know all have friends in the local media. You hand the document to a lawyer, which is a confidential act between lawyer and client. He then hands it to the media outlet, which is another confidential act, but this time as an anonymous source.

    Assuming you cover your own tracks with the document before it gets to the lawyer, and the others involved are reputable, no one should ever know you were involved.

    Also, IANAL but my fiancé is.

  87. BUY A DOMAIN CALLED by ifeelswine · · Score: 2, Funny

    POLISE.CX
    and then post it to slashdot under false pretenses
    ???
    PROFIT! i didn't mean to yell. sorry.

  88. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

    was that the sound of something going down in flames and burning up?

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  89. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by zifr · · Score: 1

    TOR IS NOT SECURE! But by all means keep using it. It does nothing for security of data i.e. encryption. It is only encrypted from you to the exit router. From the exit router to the destination it is clear text if it started that way, such as http. Https would remain encrypted. Further your DNS not encrypted and finally, layer 7 info could be used to track someone down. If you don't believe me, install the routing service, fire up wireshark, become an exit router, and start capturing data on http, smtp, etc etc.

  90. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by poopdeville · · Score: 1

    Inflammable and flammable obviously have the same Latin root, but via different routes. Something that is "inflammable" is something that can be "inflamed", such as a rash, flammable liquids, tempers, and so on. Being flammable merely means that it burns.

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  91. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 1

    "Flamamable" is easy, so I'll skip it. As for the other -- just think "inflamed" hemorrhoids. They don't call them that 'cause they *don't* burn!

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  92. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

    I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu

    Use a USB stick and then incinerate it. It is very hard to recover data from an incinerated USB stick.

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    Just callin' it like I see it.
  93. Don't be paranoid. Really, who is watching YOU. by eatvegetables · · Score: 5, Funny

    For this to work you would also have to change your wireless interface's Ethernet MAC (hardware) address.

    (Yes, it's paranoid, but so is the original question.)

    No, none of this security "voodoo" is required at all. It's nothing but paranoid delusional compulsion driven obsessiveness.

    Really, who is going to be watch 'YOU?' You are nothing, a tiny insignificant electron fart on the massive, anonymous Internet freeway. There is no way that anyone could possibly track such a posting back to you even if you sent it from the comfort of your West Virginia trailer park, wood panelled double-wide. By the way, the cat is scratching at the door. Please let her in. The noise is driving me nuts.

    ...anyway. Like I was saying, the level of grandiosity required to believe that jack-booted, neo-conservative thugs with brush cuts and small testicles are following the every movement of this document and your friend Herb's handling of it is just beyond the bounds of all sane thought processes.

    Damn it Frank, let that frikin' cat in already. Put down the JVC multi-function remote. Holy crap, man. You DVR'ed the mud wrestling match last night while your aunt Emma was over for dinner. It's not like you can't pause the damn show. Don't you know that Princess is very sensitive to heat and humidity? Maybe you won't have to take her to the vet 20 times this summer (like you had to last year) if you leave her in air conditioning for a change.

    So, have we learned anything? No one is watching you. The government doesn't care what you do with that damn document that Herb wants you to host for him. No need to take ANY type of security/privacy countermeasure!

    We ... I mean, the government is not watching anything you do. Really. This is the voice of reason speaking to you.

    1. Re:Don't be paranoid. Really, who is watching YOU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at a internet cafe in Portland, OR that got a visit from the FBI. Someone had posted on a NRA message board... non-public information about the murder of a police officer in California a few days earlier. Two of them showed up and 6 more followed over the course of the day. They said the posting was tracked to our shop, busted out some HDDs and use some extremely slow software I never saw before to copy the data from the drives to other drives. They paid us the hourly rate for their time and took the copies with them. That's the one part I wondered about... why didn't they leave us the copies and take the original drives?

    2. Re:Don't be paranoid. Really, who is watching YOU. by uofitorn · · Score: 1

      That was funny! And I didn't mean that sarcastically. But just in case your distilled point was meant to be taken seriously, I must inform you that the above was written as an interesting exercise in "what if?" rather than something that the GP thought would plausibly be taken advantage of.

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    3. Re:Don't be paranoid. Really, who is watching YOU. by eatvegetables · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I tend to be most creative whilst I am procrastinating. Instead of reading/posting to /., I should have been working on a final project that is already over-due and required for me to graduate next week. As a matter of fact, I shouldn't even be typing this email...crap, gotta go!

  94. You must be single. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That kind of decision becomes a lot more difficult if you're working on a family. The problem is that you might get some of the consequences on your loved ones.

  95. don't post it by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Troll

    you lack the character

    what you want is to do the right thing without any possibility of risk

    there's no such thing in this world

    every person who defies anything vile or evil in this world is risking their life and limb

    and they are heroes for that

    you don't sound like a hero. your concerns make you sound like a serf, or a slave

    post the shit and stick your chest out and be proud of yourself regardless of the consequences. or go slink and hide as a coward. there is no middle way. there is no possibility of doing the heroic thing in a cowardly way

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    1. Re:don't post it by chillin411 · · Score: 1

      I think we've found someone who will hand deliver it for you!

    2. Re:don't post it by hmar · · Score: 1

      What kind of repercussions are we discussing? We don't know. What does he have to lose? We don't know. So why are you claiming lack of character? Is it a lack of character to fear for the safety of your children? Any repercussions we bring onto ourselves we bring onto those we love, and must always be mindful of that. Your brand of heroism can be a truly selfish act. There is always a way to make sure that information goes where it needs to be, we do not always need credit for it.

  96. Low tech solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet if you look for pro bono lawyers, you could find somebody to take the documents off your hands and pass them on to the appropriate authorities on the Q.T.

  97. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    Might as well go the extra mile and get a whole laptop from Craigslist. Then you have no worries about tracing MAC addresses or anything like that. Pay cash and don't give them any contact info that could be traced back to you. If you get the vibe that the laptop is stolen, all the better. Then, yank the hard drive altogether and boot from a LiveCD. Never use it for any other purpose than to upload the document. Dispose of it in tiny pieces in different locations.

  98. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just go to the library and do it. you pay for that service, citizen.

  99. a couple ideas by j1mmy · · Score: 1

    anything you do with it online, do through tor or an anonymous proxy. don't leave any tracks if you don't need to.

    put it on wikileaks, as already advised.

    get hardcopies out there, too. buy a new ream of paper from your local office supply store. handle the paper with gloves from packaging to printer to envelope. i shouldn't have to suggest to handle the envelope with gloves, too. mail it with a bogus (actually bogus, not a real address for someone else) return address, dropped in to a mailbox nowhere near where you live or work. sent them to the local media, the internal affairs department of your local police agency, any local politicians you trust, etc.

    good luck!

    1. Re:a couple ideas by TuaAmin13 · · Score: 1

      But before you do that, mail it in an external envelope to someone else first. Just like in Running Man (book, not the movie)

    2. Re:a couple ideas by profplump · · Score: 1

      Politician that I trust -- is that like a vegetarian lion?

    3. Re:a couple ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how easy is it for "them" to trace the printer? I've heard somewhere that most printers embed microscopic patterns or some kind of marking that can be traced back to the printer. Is this true, or am I mistaken?

  100. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by davidtupper · · Score: 1

    For this to work you would also have to change your wireless interface's Ethernet MAC (hardware) address. By default this is a vendor-specific code that is probably unique enough that it could be used to link you to the upload.

    Actually, this is not as true as it should be. I worked for a PC company which supplied name brand hardware to a major corporation. One problem we repeatedly ran into was having to swap NICs to different subnets because of MAC conflicts. The first 3 octets do represent the manufacturer, the last 3 should make a unique ID. In reality there are 16777216 possible combinations (255^3) not all of which get used for various reasons. Also 16 million unique IDs are not that many for a major name brand as we found out, selling several thousand units annually.

  101. Stick it to the wikileaks man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do it yourself, don't bow to the leaks hegemony!

  102. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Or... you can do this:

    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda3

    this assumes that the 20 GB hard drive is located at /dev/sda3

    From what I've read, it's not yet been proven as to whether or not it's possible to recover data that has been zeroed using dd.

    Yes it is, use shred /dev/sda it's much more secure.

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  103. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would not read the document

    If your friend relies on you to keep the source anonymous, you should read the document and make sure that no identifying information is in the document itself, in meta-information or in garbage chunks. Remember: If the document leads to your friend, it also leads to you.

  104. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And while we're being technical:

    There is no need for any hard drive (disposable or otherwise) to run Ubuntu or other mainstream Linux distributions. Ubuntu boots off the Ubuntu installation CD. The super-duper secret file can be accessed from a $5 USB stick.

  105. If you're in Indiana... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you may want to send it to a local talk radio host like Abdul in the Morning or Amos Brown.

  106. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Lillesvin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, "they" didn't identify the Unabomber - his brother did, because he recognized his writing style in his published manifesto, which in turn resulted in the forensic investigation and comparison of his manifesto to some earlier stuff that he'd written. The method is called stylometry (or stylometrics) and is used widely in forensic linguistics, but it's still only an indicator of authorship - not proof.

    In the Unabomber case, they had two sets of texts, the manifesto written by the Unabomber and the texts written by Ted Kaczynski, hence it was relatively easy to compare the two sets and see if there was reason to believe the author of both sets to be the same. In this case, you'll have a single text by an unknown author... What will you compare it to first when you have no suspect or suspected texts? Exactly... This document will have to mean the end of the world before they start trawling the web for random texts and comparing. Mind you, these stylometric comparisons must be verified by a human, even though a lot can be automated with principal component analysis.

    I'd say that the author can feel pretty safe, as long as he/she isn't a well-known author and/or uses linguistic constructions specific for his/her dialect or regiolect. Remove all meta-data from the file (e.g. go with plain text or HTML as suggested (far) above) and publish to wikileaks through Tor from a public hotspot. At least, that's what I'd do. I don't know about Brian Boitano, Buddha, Muhammed or Jesus.

    Oh, and yes, I am a linguist. :)

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  107. What about a good reporter by t2000kw · · Score: 1

    Maybe contact a nationally famous reporter who likes to cover things like this? Or 60 Minutes, Dateline, or even 20/20?

    I liked the idea of Wikileaks the best, though, using an anonymous torrent file transfer to them. Then use a utility to wipe any drive that might have the file(s) on them. You can use one that does a DOD level deletion, or just use a wipe program. Some defragmenters will wipe the free space for you using your choice of wiping of the area for security purposes.

    If you keep the files on a USB flash drive, you can either burn it, hide it somewhere safe away from home or work, or mail it to someone far away to hold it for you.

    You can delete the torrent program (if you use one) and its folders before you do your file wiping or defragging with a wipe of the free space.

    Maybe you can even mail a package with a DVD or CD to wherever it's going to end up, shipping it from another city or state even.

    Posting here may flag you as a possible source for any release of information about this news, of course, so you may want to find a new home for your computer equipment so it's not taken and kept as possible evidence to mess with you.

    If there is actual illegal activity going on, the feds will get wind of the information from Wikileaks or wherever it's posted or aired and take whatever action they care to do.

    Best wishes on this, and I hope the results are posted here.

  108. outsourcing with impunity by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Russians can do this, no problem. Probably some Ukrainians could easily do it too. Both charge more than the Chinese, but doing it there might bring some problems with the CPC. Disclaimer: I would never intend to do anything illegal, immoral, unethical, illogical, politically incorrect, or bad by anybody's definition of the word. If this is in any way seemed or inferred to be one of the above, I disavow any knowledge of my actions and plead insanity. Good luck and I hope that you fuck them up really good. Oh, I didn't mean that.

  109. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's a lot of work; why not buy a cheap flash drive, copy the file to it, and then go to your starbucks or library or hotel or anywhere with a computer, and use *that* computer to upload to wikileaks? I fail to see why you need to use a specific laptop just to transfer a file.

  110. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by crispytwo · · Score: 1

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is,...

    i always found it odd that flammable and inflammable mean exactly the same thing...

    I always thought flammable is something that catches on fire and is supposed to be used for that purpose -- whereas -- inflammable is something that can catch on fire but not intended to be used for that purpose.

    So, gasoline is flammable, but my plastic curtains are inflammable.

  111. Safe Enough by JackSpratts · · Score: 2, Funny

    the easy way: first off have your "pal" burn it to cd-rom - do not put it on your hd - then do a little wi-fi war driving. after finding a decent (commercial) hot spot, upload it to any of several hosting sites like rapidshare etc directly from the disc. then write the link on a bathroom wall. all done. if a takedown notice is ever filed against the host it won't matter, your opus will have already spread like the clap.

    yes, you can tor and onion ad infinitum but in less time than it took to write this post you could have uploaded the bombshell, and gotten out of the house to boot.

    for x-tra security use an old wi-fi card from an out of town church tag sale. park far away. wear shades, a bad wig and a porn star 'stache whilst perusing the tables. a large sock in the trousers wouldn't hurt either. think misdirection.

    - js.

    1. Re:Safe Enough by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      a large sock in the trousers wouldn't hurt either.

      The national database - they have measurements on socks in my trousers too??

      think misdirection.

      Think I can use this technique on the ladies I meet?

  112. THE CLOUD TO THE RESCUE!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, why not put it on Google Docs or on a fake blogger profile. It's online and there is no connection back to you.

  113. Better make sure you can prove everything there. by Marrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In court. With independently substantiated documentation and video.

    Better make sure the content is accurate and not fiction for the purpose of abuse.

    Better make sure you are willing to deal with the consequences and collateral damages that happen in our very human world. Will someone be harmed? Will a family be harmed. Will someone suicide? Do you want to be a part of the aftermath?

    What are the -civil- courts ramifications? Did the subject suffer serious monetary damages, lost wages, lost income, lost property. Do you want to foot the bill?

    After you are sure of all of all the answers, hire a lawyer and have him/her make sure.

    And then don't do it.

  114. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice plan, except bloody iPhone batteries...

  115. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised that many mention going to a public place to upload but not worry about the Cameras.

    If you upload from a public place, then either make sure there is no camera (next to impossible) or make sure you lead the link to the uploaded doc AFTER you are sure the "tapes" are erased.

    Although you would need some clever social engineering and probably a proxy person to find out how long the video is retained.

  116. Are there not procedures for something like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internal affairs, DoJ, FBI - why don't people attempt the correct channels first, and then if they don't work, go public?

    Simply posting a document isn't going to do anything. No one's taking legal action against them. All you're doing by posting the document is hoping someone else will deal with the issue.

  117. Get over yourself by narcc · · Score: 1

    Go ahead and post it on scribd or wikileaks. Just don't be surprised when no one takes notice or cares.

  118. The only things you really need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are really only two things you need to worry about about: 1) hosting the material somewhere that the police can easily force it down 2) having the material traceable back to you The only good solution is to get a friend who lives outside the US to register with a hosting service and post the material for you. I haven't really poked and prodded the idea much but intuitively, it seems like no matter what you do, there would be a money trail leading directly from your hosting service back to you. Depending on what level of paranoia you think is appropriate, you might even want to burn the documents onto CD or DVD and snail-mail them to your friend living outside the US.

  119. Right, that worked well for him by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    Print that shit out and nail it to the wall, Martin Luther style.

    ...which got him assassinated.

    Also, MLK is grossly over-credited in the civil rights movement; he was largely a figurehead. Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters were the major force; they were the ones who bailed out Rosa Parks, they were the ones who bankrolled MLK (they needed someone who wasn't a Porter and thus on the road all the time. King had the time, and a large congregation.)

    Fun fact: Lincoln's son, Robert Lincoln, was the biggest union-buster the country has ever seen. There was a common saying in the BoSCP union: "Lincoln freed the slaves and his son re-enslaved them".

    1. Re:Right, that worked well for him by Patrick+Lewis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Martin Luther (with special attention to the 95 theses)

      Martin Luther King, Jr.

      --
      "If I am such a genius, how come that I am drunk and lost in the desert with a bullet in my ass?" --Otto (Malcom ITM)
    2. Re:Right, that worked well for him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Martin Luther style.

      ...which got him assassinated. Also, MLK is grossly over-credited in the civil rights movement;

      History FAIL.

    3. Re:Right, that worked well for him by sexconker · · Score: 1

      WOW DUDE.
      LEARN TO HISTORY.

  120. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Toonol · · Score: 1

    Remember, the police have infinite resources to catch you.

    No, they really don't, whether it's measured in money, interest, or skill. They won't get the NSA to help them crack your encryption, they won't get the FBI to help them, they won't bring in a team of forensic experts. Unless you've got some dirt on Nancy Pelosi, or seven schoolgirls buried in your backyard, they aren't going to bring in the big guns against you. It will be your local police force whose expertise probably consists of running a specific program that dumps IE cache and history. Maybe they can read email headers. Your other points would work, and would be very helpful in a "Day of the Condor" type scenario, but if that's the case, the slashdot submitter has already signed their death warrant.

  121. Parent is quite correct by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the FBI is interested in it presumably because they'd be investigating the local PD for fucking up, well then let them have a copy and do their job. You think that police on any level have a magic sense that lets them know when something is wrong? No, they have to see evidence. So if the FBI really might be interested in acting on this, then let them at it.

    As far as getting the word out in general, well the established press is a great way to go. Just about every newspaper out there -loves- seeing the government get egg on their face. So give them a copy and let them publish it. You get the added benefit that there are some strong protections of the press so it is very difficult for the cops to stop the publication, and very difficult for them to make the paper reveal their source. As a practical matter, you can always send it to the paper anonymously.

    But the parent is correct, if you really care about this, you've got to stand up to some extent. If you don't, ok I won't tell you that is wrong, but then don't bitch if whatever it is that these document reveal keeps on happening. If you don't stand up for your rights, you kinda lose the privilege of crying when they are stepped on.

  122. True enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I dare them to check my posting history!

    -A.C.

  123. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

    Oh, and yes, I am a linguist. :)

    then tell me, won't all the linguistic style be gone forever if you just take your text and run it through google translate to convert to zulu and then back to english?

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  124. Let the media host it by rockwood · · Score: 1

    Post the story to a few high traffic forum site, let the viewers copy and paste it into other forums and email forwards. Next drop a few anon emails to cnn, fox etc - pointing them to these articles. Once the media grabs a hold of the story, all the website could dry up over night, but News Reports will be on it like leeches.

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  125. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by hezekiah957 · · Score: 1

    Or, as Bender: The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that is irony.

  126. To what end? by afabbro · · Score: 1

    Are you just doing this because you can?

    Just because something is "highly inflammatory" does not mean that publishing it necessarily serves some greater good.

    Of course, perhaps your exposure would promote some good by exposing corruption or something. You didn't really give any reason other than you have something "inflammatory".

    It's disquieting that no one asked for any justification, but rather leapt to technical solutions. Then again, this is SlashDot...

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  127. Links please! by dredtech · · Score: 1

    Frag all the nonsense. I'm dying to know what it is. LinkS!

  128. They don't by XanC · · Score: 1

    There's no such word as "flammable"; it was made up out of ignorance of the word "inflammable", mostly for safety reasons so that stupid people wouldn't get confused and light everybody on fire.

    1. Re:They don't by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1
      The story I heard was that "flammable" was one of Webster's misspellings/reforms, and that it has only recently become used outside the US because of the reason the PP gave, and the alleged[1][2] decline in standards of English in certain places which favour EN-GB over EN-US.

      [1] weasel words added to discourage this thread from going even further off topic than it already is.
      [2] Usually by members of the "get off my lawn" community, referring to those on said lawn.

  129. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    Inflammable and flammable obviously have the same Latin root, but via different routes. Something that is "inflammable" is something that can be "inflamed", such as a rash, flammable liquids, tempers, and so on. Being flammable merely means that it burn

    I think the term "inflammable" is a corruption of "enflammable" myself. A morphological transform similar to the confusion certain writers have between "their", "there" and "they're". Sometimes errors in grammar are just to* sticky.

    *yes, that was meant.

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  130. Why post it anywhere? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

    Email it to various media contacts and let them take care of it. If it's as inflammatory as you claim, they should pick it up and run with it.

    --
    Don't take life so seriously. No one makes it out alive.
  131. Posting is an alernative to hosting by Peter+(Professor)+Fo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Whoever wants you to host could be shown how to do it themselves.
    2. Consider posting rather than hosting. There may be journalists who would love this sort of thing even if it doesn't appear as tomorrow's headlines they may well be using it as a lever to open a can of worms so that it can't be shut again.

    If it's not your baby then I'd leave it well alone.

  132. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Trahald · · Score: 1

    I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    1. Buying a laptop would involve some sort of payment that can be traced back to you.
    2. To the best of my knowledge, the MAC address of your network card is the only thing that ties you to the access point. So you can just change your MAC id and use your own laptop.
    3. Why dispose of the drive ? That is just another suspicious activity if you are noticed doing it. There are many drive erasing tools available.

    Finally, why do you recommend Xerobank ? How is it better than firefox with the tor plugin ?

  133. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

    Assuming the document is small, you could install Xerobank (formerly TorPark) and create an account on Wikileaks and upload it to Wikileaks through the Tor onion router. Your anonymity would be assured in a hilariously sound manner.

    Your website need do nothing more than link to Wikileaks and ponder how it got there.

    That would be my plan of action. I would also be careful with all the machines/devices used to transfer that file.

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions. Sorry to sound like Harvey Keitel on Pulp Fiction but ... when you're dealing with serious stuff ...

    My question is: would you host it if you were asked? How would you go about protecting the document and yourself?

    Anonym.OS is a the way to go: http://sourceforge.net/projects/anonym-os/ Discard of the CD-ROM afterwards, or not: no trace left. Ideal for a hit&run-action. But one question: why would you upload the document and such? Just give them an account with some webspace and email-account on your server/domain, "so they can play around with php and mysql wink-wink notch-notch", and play innocent when the cease-and-desist letters come in.

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  134. So just curiously... by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    How much of the news you can find on Wikileaks do you ever make it to the mainstream news?

    Most of it, if it is brought to the publics attention via TMZ or some "retarded" show, will be shown as something a crazy person / consipracy theorist would do.

    I guess i'm distracting from the point - submit it to wikilinks and while we, as readers and followers of the news will see it, but the masses will not. That youtube video of the guatemala thing will be a household talking point for civil rights in other countries - its not just a news article - its real. On a far out side note, It wouldn't surprise me if the US tries to butt in down there for some reason.

    I've got off in tangets - I do that - but i'm sure you see my points - and then some. Cheers always.

    1. Re:So just curiously... by eam · · Score: 1

      Since your on a tangent, I might as well do another...

      If we have some compromising documents that could be damaging to wikileaks, who should we leak them to?

      Who leaks the leakers?

  135. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this case, you'll have a single text by an unknown author... What will you compare it to first when you have no suspect or suspected texts? Exactly... This document will have to mean the end of the world before they start trawling the web for random texts and comparing. Mind you, these stylometric comparisons must be verified by a human, even though a lot can be automated with principal component analysis.

    Oh, and yes, I am a linguist. :)

    A linguist, perhaps... perhaps even a cunning one... :) ...but not a hardened detective. If the author is coming to the OP asking to have this published anonymously, it is entirely reasonable that the author may already be a suspect, in which case the comparison would be decisively quick.

    The author wouldn't ask unless he were
    A.) Paranoid, or
    B.) Legitimately concerned 'they' are actually out to get him.

    If you're paranoid, a little extra security never hurts; however, if they really are out to get you, not taking every precaution could hurt A LOT.

  136. at liberty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the idiots in here, sue their asses off:

    http://www.math.fsu.edu/~trogers/data/politics-legal/at_Liberty.html

  137. Strawman? by jandersen · · Score: 1

    I think one of the questions you should probably ask yourself is whether you are simply being used by these guys? This is perhaps not a comfortable thought, but why should you take the risk for somebody? There may be good reasons why, but unfortunately, in this world you have to watch out for people not always being quite what they appear.

    The other side of it is of course that if what you have is genuine, you want it to be taken seriously. If you disseminate your information through a medium that is widely considered a source of gossip or other muck, you won't be taken serious. IMO if the cause is worth it, you should be able to get an investigative journalist interested.

  138. User Freenet by indre1 · · Score: 1

    Post it on Freenet forums and hope it gets into the right hands.

  139. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Lillesvin · · Score: 1

    A.) Paranoid, or
    B.) Legitimately concerned 'they' are actually out to get him.

    C.) Not tech-savvy enough to publish it anonymously himself/herself.

    While you and I would have no problem publishing something anonymously, I know about --- hmm --- a lot of people that wouldn't know where to even start. Of course, I can't say that this is the case here, but it's a possibility, but yeah, you're right --- a little extra security never hurts.

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    "Live free or don't."
  140. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Lillesvin · · Score: 1

    Some will, but not all. I'm not sure exactly how Google Translator handles certain dialectal traits, and lexical choices may still remain. It will without a doubt make it harder to determine whether the suspect has written the text.

    Interesting idea actually. I'm gonna look into that when time allows it. Thanks!

    --
    "Live free or don't."
  141. i would by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    send it all around the net since privacy does not really apply to an institution that's supposed to have an open policy and if you're afraid of hosting it send it to me, i'l put it up and you can just link to it

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    Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
  142. do it yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all else fails, put it in an archive inside a jpg and post it anonymously to an imageboard through a proxy that keeps no logs. The chances of being caught are one in a million.

  143. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so when the police go and chat to the craiglist vendor about this laptop, and he says.. "I sold it to this guy at this address for this much on this day, and here is the email he contacted me with.." does that not leave you as well known as if you had gone into a shop and bought the same equipment? Why believe craiglist has any annonymity? Buy your used gear from the drug addict who funds his habit by opportunistic burglary. He'd be considered a well reliable link in the chain, not.

  144. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by m50d · · Score: 1

    You could but that requires a little more care - e.g. most such OSes will happily use any swap partitions they find on the drive.

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    I am trolling
  145. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

    Save yourself the cost of a hard drive, buy a usb stick, use it, and chuck it.

  146. "lose it" by j_sp_r · · Score: 1

    Just put it on a CD/USB key and leave in a public place near a large news outlet. Repeat after a month or so if nothing came of it.

    And why is the article tagged xs4all? It's not that that it isn't part of a large telecom called KPN.

    1. Re:"lose it" by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's fairly easy to send information like that anonymously to local TV news and newspapers. They are usually starving for some kind of scandal that they can use to scare up viewers.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  147. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by RPoet · · Score: 1

    You're assuming he would be using exit servers at all. Wikileaks is available inside of Tor as http://gaddbiwdftapglkq.onion/, so you never leave the network, never use DNS, and your traffic is encrypted in onion layers both ways, i.e., end-to-end. If you can show that Tor is insecure even in this scenario, the scientific community would like very much to hear from you.

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    "Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
  148. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by RPoet · · Score: 1

    It's much better to not have to "play innocent" when the FBI bust your door in one early morning. I like your first advice better.

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    "Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
  149. Use a VM, then wipe it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather than buying any new hardware, just use a VM running a live distribution. Use TOR. Don't leave the file around. For the transfer into your system, use the smallest USB thumb drive you have lying around and truecrypt with passphrase AND key file locks. Many vendors give away 32MB drives, so this should be free too.

  150. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The other is that it's probably becoming common to check drives for interesting stuff when you buy them on eBay

    Selling the drive on eBay is, therefore, a great way to distribute the document!

  151. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

    No, it's not. Slashdot even did a story on this a while back: data on modern hard disks can't be recovered after being overwritten just once, even with electron microscopes.

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  152. Wikileaks and copwatch.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would look into making sure they get into Wikileaks and copwatch.com

  153. Send it to me. by High-Tech+Hillbilly · · Score: 1

    I'll post it, host it, and spread it. Give it to me. If it is truly as damning as you say, then it's best to spread it as far and as wide as possible. hitech_hillbilly01@yahoo.com

  154. The PirateBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not use The PirateBay? They do not bend for the FBI...

  155. Injustice Everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project

    http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

    The National Police Misconduct NewsFeed is a sobering and depressing read...

  156. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  157. WiFi 4 I by kuei12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is always fun to search the neighborhood for an unsecured WiFi connection to use as a host and sit in the front yard with a bag of popcorn to watch as your neighbors get raided.

  158. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't mean to be disrespectful, I'm sure you're very good at all that, but I think he meant something more like, "Judge Bill Smith raped a blond female stenographer working on the XYZ case".

  159. Go Ahead by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Go ahead and host it but make it is public as possible. Include a blog and get as many people aware of it as possible. The public eye is what will ultimately protect you from illegal search and seizure. Make it so that people expect you to make daily updates and when you do not, you have the protection of the public. Government officials that are engaged in corruption and malfeasance do not want public attention. Make the press aware of this document, offer to speak with them in an interview. This could spell trouble for an government official wishing to "make you disappear."

  160. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by EdMcMan · · Score: 1

    The people that wrote the article in the story you mention had no idea what they are talking about.

    Peter Gutmann, one of the experts in this area, specifically responded to that article (see further epilogue).

  161. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe remove the hard drive before booting off CD?

  162. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depending on how important/inflammable this document is, I might look into buying a cheap 20GB laptop hard drive, installing ubuntu, going to a star bucks, doing the above and then "disposing" of the drive and all media so that there are no questions.

    You could probably sell the hard drive on eBay, make a few bucks. I wouldn't worry about scrubbing it tho. Nobody checks those things.

    Well, I have several problems with that. One is that it is uncharacteristic of me to sell something on ebay. Especially hardware like that. This could be easily seen as odd behavior leading them to the drive. The other is that it's probably becoming common to check drives for interesting stuff when you buy them on eBay. The other is that I don't care about the money a 20GB drive would net me if I'm dealing with the law.

    No, I am afraid my course of action would be to vigorously scrub the drive, take the drive apart and spot weld the platters together to make a set of ugly ass coasters with magnets attached as feet to the coaster. I would keep the set in plain view in my living room. Then one day when a guest inquired about them I could say, "Funny story ..."

    Dear Penthouse Forum,

    I never thought this would happen to me...

  163. Not Without My Court-Ordered Injunction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    email me at iridiumdreams@gmail.com

    Tom Delay followed the orderly through the halls of the hospice. He was more than a little nervous at the idea of meeting Terri: hospitals made him a bit egdy. Nevertheless, he believed this to be a big item for his constituents, and he marched proudly to see this wonderful dying woman.

    Eventually they reached the room and he asked the orderly to leave him alone with her for some 'personal prayer time.' The orderly obliged and left him there. Tom noticed that the lights were somewhat dim. Why not, he thought. It's not like this vegetable will need them. Tired after a long day with some of the fundamentalists outside the hospice he threw himself into a chair and began to think the situation over. He knew he'd already won big points with the religious crowd, but he hoped to find a way to score even bigger. Leaving the hospice and claiming that Terri had spoken to him through prayer was one idea that came to mind, but he immediately dismissed it as a little too outlandish. He needed something simple.

    Heh, she's certainly livelier than my wife is, he thought to himself bitterly. He cast his eyes over at the faintly stirring Terri, who was staring at the ceiling with those lovely dark eyes and drooling quietly to herself. I have to admit, she was a beautiful woman once. But now she's just old. Terri here, though... the lack of intelligence notwithstanding, she has a simple charm to her. A simple charm that a down home Texan like myself might appreciate.

    Tom quietly chastised himself for such thoughts. Granted, he may have become bitter after years of loveless marriage, and the semi-private hospital room did afford him some freedom to exercise thoughts that might otherwise accidentally slip out in public... but. But what? Tom took a moment to wrestle with his conscience. Lord, I know this to be wrong, but....

    'It's a crying shame that such a lovely young lady might suffer such a painful death without a few final... comforts,' he said to himself, slightly surprised that he'd managed to work up the courage to entertain the notion. Still, was it not his duty as a good Christian to ease the suffering of this woman? He was, after all, only trying to elicit some sort of response. She would not respond as much as some women would, but then, Tom liked them that way. 'I suppose, my dear, that your last worldly affair might save me some rohypnol.'

    Tom stood and checked to be sure that the door was closed and latched before he unbuckled his belt as quietly as possible... not an easy task with the giant buckle he had that complied with all Texas rules and regulations for belt buckle sizes. Without letting his pants slip he moved to sit beside her on the bed. Terri still didn't respond. Tom tentatively reached out a hand to fondle her breasts through the flimsy hospital gown, immediately feeling his member stiffen as he did so. He gently found her nipples through the gown and pinched them, though he got no response from her. Good...

    He slowly removed what he could of the gown, though he was too busy keeping his pants on to do a proper job of turning her over to remove the whole thing. Instead he managed to get most of the front of her uncovered and let his hands wander and explore her, pausing a moment as he came across the hole where her feeding tube was missing. Idle thoughts flitted through his mind as he fingered it, but they fled and he continued his searching, until he found her surprisingly neatly trimmed bush.

    As he gently tickled her glorious labia he found it impossible to resist rubbing himself through his clothes. All the while he was watching her face intently, hoping for some sign of life. But not too much life, he cautioned himself. Persistently vegetative women tell no tales.... Fortunately she was still contentedly drooling... from both sets of lips! He brought his fingers to his nose and took a good whiff of the acrid goodness thereupon.

    Suddenly he heard a few sets of footsteps outside! With all the quickness he could muster he r

  164. You are never that hard to find by westlake · · Score: 0

    So what do we know about IndianaKim?

    He has account 1555547 on Slashdot - no older than his post. But he has been here before. The Slashdot geek in full paranoid flight in unmistakable.

    Choosing your own nickname makes for a piss-poor disguise.

    "westlake," for example, holds a double geographic clue to my own location and address. For bonus points, you might try guessing my password.

    The lower case form is suggestive as well.

    I live in the same county, but not the same city

    I'd be strongly tempted to place IndianaKim in an upscale suburban tech-corridor - or island - anchored by The Big State U.

    His center of gravity the metro core and not the rural county seat.

    The document hot as a stove implies that the bearer is also hot as a stove.

    They follow him, they find you.

    I would call it even money that IndianaKim has already been fingered.

    The geek worries about the fly outside the windowsill when the real danger are the wolves he led into the kitchen.

  165. Not my problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've declined to host sites that have heat, and I've kicked off a company that had enemies (a union which is another word for street gang). The company tried to guilt me about free speech, I explained that shared hosting was not compatible with ddos attacks and hostile scans.

    You're not responsible for defending a company for $100/year or whatever you're getting for hosting.

  166. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They actually had three texts...Unabomber, Ted Kaczynksi, and Al Gore's Earth In The Balance.

    Al Gore or the Unabomber?

  167. Just tell him how to do it himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big question is whether the cops are going to suspect your friend when this shows up. If so and they threaten him, he might give you up to take some of the heat off. Nobody here thinks you should do the hosting yourself, so there's no need for your involvement. Just figure out where he should send it (Wikileaks sounds good to me) and tell him how to post it himself.

  168. No need for your involvement at all by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    If you don't want the trouble, you shouldn't host it. That being the case, just tell your source about Wikileaks and let him handle the posting. Problem solved, at least where you're concerned.

  169. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

    Peter Gutmann also says,

    "As a result, they advocate applying the voodoo [a 35-write pass] to PRML and EPRML drives even though it will have no more effect than a simple scrubbing with random data."

    ---linuxrocks123

    --
    vi ~/.emacs # I'm probably going to Hell for this.
  170. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Lillesvin · · Score: 1

    Huh? You mean short texts? That can be done too --- sort of. (http://thetext.co.uk/)

    If you meant something else I don't get it, so you'll have to be more specific. Sorry. (No disrespect from my end either.)

    --
    "Live free or don't."
  171. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by Lillesvin · · Score: 1

    Wow! Great link! I scored 67%.

    Someone please mod parent up!

    However, while this is interesting, it's not really relevant for a stylometric analysis. Usually* you'd find the 50 most common words in the entire text, then split the text up into chunks of 5000 words and find the frequencies of each of the 50 most used words in these chunks. Then you'll have 50-dimensional descriptions of each chunk, which you'll then process using principal component analysis. The linked test is more in the field of folk linguistics, which is quite different from forensic linguistics, but very, very interesting none the less.

    *: Note, usually... The numbers may vary depending on who you ask.

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    "Live free or don't."
  172. Read 'Hints and Tips for Whistleblowers' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a guide to this sort of thing: http://ht4w.co.uk/. It's UK-centric, however.

  173. Hosting is hosting, but don't use my name. by jbdigriz · · Score: 1

    See my reply to anzwebfoot for my personal view of this scenario, but to answer your questions directly:

    Question 1, Would I host?

    You bet. Pay the fee, read the TOS, and remember you are solely responsible for the content you publish.

    Question 2, What steps would I take to protect your content?

    At present we don't have a formal SLA or uptime guaurantees, but backups are your responsibility in any case. We take appropriate and reasonable steps to ensure the security and integrity of your site, but ultimately you are responsible.

    Question 3, What steps would I take to protect myself?

    Against what? Exactly what would I have to be concerned about here? Oh, by the way, those rumors about the RPG, the .50 cal., and the thermate are completely unfounded.

    jbdigriz

  174. This is america for F****ing GOD sakes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the USA; that used to mean something. We are the people who with nothing but strength of will faced off with at the time one of the most powerful governments in the world. We broke ties and formed a nation that has been a leader to the world for better and for worse.

    This is the soul of America quoted form the Declaration of Independence:
    âoeBut when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.â

    We are Americans (well some of us here anyway :D) If our founding fathers saw how the corrupt politicians form all parties behaved they would have the chief justice of the supreme curt hang em. on site!

    Freedom is not free the cost is not only the brave men and women who serve in the armed forces and our first responders, It is also the ordinary men and women who become heroes to this country and to the world see the wrong in the world and stand up and point and say âoeWe will not allow this we are Americans!â

    There is no question, If the document is genuine and you have information that is relevant to the American public then it is your responsibility to spread it to your fellow Americans and if you for what ever reason you can not; Well then you must ensure that it gets into the hands of people who will.

    The truth will set us all free!

    And for the record I am an evil gun owning liberal atheist who still believes in this country. My faith in my government is almost gone L but I love my country.

    And remember boys and girls when faced with a bully no matter how big stand with your fists clenched ready for a fight but always use your words they are much sharper then your knuckles.

      Tow quotes to remember:

    âoeI will walk down the street with a flack jacket on before I will give up my freedom! A governments protection is only moments away form tyranny.â ~Unnamed source~

    âoeAll tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.â ~ Thomas Jefferson~

    PS sorry to be so long winded

  175. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by meatmanek · · Score: 1

    CD-Rs cost $10? You must be thinking of blu-ray.

  176. Send it to Cryptome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cryptome[at]earthlink.net. It would help to start the subject line with "Cryptome."

    Details at cryptome

  177. a fair number of government and commercial by alizard · · Score: 1

    secrets have been discovered on surplus hard drives sold on places like eBay by people who didn't get your memo and did check the drives.

    High quality drive scrubbing software like Eraser (Windoze) and shredder (any Open Source distro as part of GPG, presumably Windoze and OSX versions available) is readily available for free download, use it before selling or giving away any HD with confidential content on it.

  178. You morons by metaforest · · Score: 1

    You just spilled you guts on ways to subvert 'The Man' in a public forum.... now you are all going to be watched....

    and soulskill..... I don't believe you.... not one bit.... I think you are baiting all the paranoids....

    Good day! .... I said, GOOD DAY!

  179. Send it to the Feds by gknoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The document is so inflammatory that it could interest the FBI and DoJ and cause them to investigate the government officials involved

    If the information is damning enough that it would interest the feds, send it to them. Why waste the time of Data-Wikileaks-PublicDisclosure-FedsGetInvolved when you can cut out the intermediate steps? If the information itself can be used to identify the source, why does it matter if it is posted off-shore?

    Ideally, I think you'd want to do both: Wikileaks as a fail-safe guarantee that it won't disappear, and contact the feds (or, more accurately, have your friends contact the feds). If they want it anonymous for witness-protection types of reasons, I imagine the Feds are much better at that than we are, short of the "STFU" principle. If there is whistle-blowing that needs to go on, it CAN be done anonymously and still be given to the feds. Heck, post it to Wikileaks and then notify the feds, if necessary. Clearly, someone things enough shady is going on that there'll be an investigation anyways.

  180. how do you know by alizard · · Score: 1

    he or she isn't posting from somebody else's account? Or an account created for the specific purpose of posting this question by somebody living in FL using a throwaway e-mail account?

  181. ... and the truth shall set you free by BalkanBoy · · Score: 1

    "How would you go about protecting the document and yourself?""

    Ensure that the document is truthful, e.g. it is what happened and not some story/opinion/view.

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    'A lie if repeated often enough, becomes the truth.' - Goebbels
  182. Read the laws on Libel in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The State of Oklahoma. It's one of the few states that actually says "if you believe it to be true, you are automatically acquitted where such claims are disclosed for the public good or welfare".

    Awesome state. Bite me, Texas.

  183. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by furry_marmot · · Score: 1

    You're thinking of BTK. He sent some document or other to the police on a floppy disk (after asking THEM if there would be any way to trace it back to him). The document was written in MS-Word! They just had to pop up File->Document Properties and there was his name: Bob T. Killer (or whatever).

    If it's a Word doc, you might consider going through it with a hex editor or doing an ascii dump on it, as your skills allow. New documents sometimes pick up information about the registered owner of the software, the computer, the date/time, etc. PDF files have such metadata as well.

    Digital photos often contain EXIF information showing the model of camera, as well as the time and date the photo was taken. The whereabouts of the the owner of a camera of the same model listed might be quickly correlated to the time/date shown in the photos.

    All this information is easily removed, but you should be careful to scrub the data itself, along with any devices used to transport it, while keeping your links to the source minimal.

    Cheers!

  184. Re:1. Upload to Wikileaks with Xerobank 2. Link to by poopdeville · · Score: 1

    Inflame
    1340, "to set on fire with passion," fig. use of L. inflammare "to set on fire, kindle," from in- "in" + flammare "to flame," from flamma "flame" (see flame). Literal sense of "to cause to burn" first recorded in Eng. 1382. Inflammable "able to be set alight" is from 1605. Inflammatory "tending to rouse passions or anger" is from 1711. Inflammation "redness or swelling in a body part" is from 1533.

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    After all, I am strangely colored.