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More Americans Play Video Games Than Go To Movies

New research from the NPD Group has found that the number of Americans who play video games has surpassed the number who go to movies. In a survey of over 11,000 people, 63% had played a video game within the past six months, while only 53% had gone to a movie. They also found that the purchase of game consoles was on the rise, as were new methods of accessing the games themselves, such as playing over a social networking site or downloading a game onto a mobile phone. The report said, "the average gamer spent just over $38 per month on all types of gaming content" in the first three months of 2009, adding that "video games account for one-third of the average monthly consumer spending in the US for core entertainment content, including music, video, games."

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  1. I'm not a statistic! by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd play more video games myself, but I've been waiting like 15 years for Duke Nukem Forever to come out! Now, what am I going to do?!?!

    1. Re:I'm not a statistic! by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Continue wanking off in your mom's basement?

      He was talking about statistics, and in all fairness, you are talking about a constant (not much point graphing that out). However, I will agree the basement is a variable.

      As for what he needs to do next... he needs to just wait. The Duke Nukem Forever "project" will be picked up by somebody else. Hopefully, by open source. That way it really will last forever.

    2. Re:I'm not a statistic! by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Dude "Forever" isn't actually the title; its the release date.

    3. Re:I'm not a statistic! by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Informative

      Continue wanking off in your mom's basement?

      I don't think you understand the concept of the word you have used.

      Unlike "jerking" it does not need "off" after it. This leads me to believe you are not an Aussie, but an American trying to appropriate Aussie slang.

      The actual phrase should be:

      Continue wanking in your mom's basement?

    4. Re:I'm not a statistic! by bob.appleyard · · Score: 1

      Australians use it as well, huh?

      A googling brought me this, which claims the term originated in the 1940s in the UK.

      Wow.

      Isn't the WWW amazing?

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    5. Re:I'm not a statistic! by spyder-implee · · Score: 1

      But does 'Go to movies' include download and watch pirated content?

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    6. Re:I'm not a statistic! by psychodelicacy · · Score: 1

      The British National Corpus and the Oxford English Dictionary disagree with you. "Wank off" is perfectly acceptable. (Linguistically, that is...)

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    7. Re:I'm not a statistic! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "But does 'Go to movies' include download and watch pirated content?"

      Interesting question.

      I was thinking maybe another quesiton to ask was...how broad was the demographic that they polled to come up with this conclusion? What age groups?

      I guess maybe I'm getting older..but, I don't know anyone that plays games themselves. Their kids have and play them, but, I can't tell you the last time I or my friends touched a modern game console.

      Granted...we are a little special is that one friend collects and restores pinball machines and arcade cabinets (original and MAME, I have a MAME in storage). We sometimes play those, but, even that is just if we're all together having some drinks at a friend's house that has one.

      But I'd have to guess once they hit the 40+ crowd...the game playing overall in the US, goes way down?

      I know they sell a lot, but, reading this article...I was genuinely surprised in what they said.

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    8. Re:I'm not a statistic! by Toonol · · Score: 1

      I'm in the opposite boat, I guess. Everybody that I knew that played games in their 20s or 30s, plays them in their 40s. Why would you stop?

    9. Re:I'm not a statistic! by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Australians all use left hand as the toilet flushes counter clockwise.

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    10. Re:I'm not a statistic! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I'm in the opposite boat, I guess. Everybody that I knew that played games in their 20s or 30s, plays them in their 40s. Why would you stop?"

      I dunno...I happen to be single, but, most of my friends that are married with kids, just seem to busy to play games. They're either working, running kids somewhere, housework, yardwork, meals...etc.

      They do seem to do the movie thing as a family event, but, usually when the day is done, and the couple of hours before bed when they can sometimes relax...it seems something passive, like TV is what most prefer...just to let the brain un-bake and relax.

      At least that is my best guess. I'm kind of the same way, after a tough day of it all....I'm not looking for more active brain stimulation....I"m kind of looking for the opposite.

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    11. Re:I'm not a statistic! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      There are even studies backing you up. You are exactly right. in 20 years, we will have an extra mode for elderly people in Doom 7 or so. I'd bet money on that.

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    12. Re:I'm not a statistic! by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      So instead, it should be called "Duke Nukem: TBA"

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    13. Re:I'm not a statistic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Continue wanking off in your mom's basement?

      I don't think you understand the concept of the word you have used.

      Unlike "jerking" it does not need "off" after it. This leads me to believe you are not an Aussie, but an American trying to appropriate Aussie slang.

      The actual phrase should be:

      Continue wanking in your mom's basement?

      Busted!!

  2. I wonder... by k10quaint · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can the MPAA sue us for that?

    1. Re:I wonder... by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the MPAA should now sue Electronic Arts for their lost sales. EA can cite their use of DRM as a means of trying to prevent their customers from playing their games so that they go watch movies instead. The verdict will go to the highest bidder.

    2. Re:I wonder... by nametaken · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well I'm guessing they'd blame movie piracy. "Nobody goes to the movies because they download them instead, omg, what are we going to do?"

      The last thing they'd concede is that video games are clearly a better value. You can buy most of them on release day. You take games home (or download them) and play them as much as you want, or at least for a month on subscription games. On the other hand, going to the theater is stupid-expensive (that's a formal metric), and you go home with nothing. So... four evenings for $40+ or a bunch of nights for $40+?

    3. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, maybe they can haul "both thumbs up" which are currently up their _____ and make good movies, not crap. Hey even the kids movies are stretching the boundaries towards adult content. Example: Shrek was great, Shrek 2 a little suspect, and Shrek 3 was in the toilet on content. Last we saw was Wall-E, because the kids insisted. And before that, I er um can't really er um ah recall... Movies, are dead.

      Anyway, gaming (not that I am a gamer) seems to engage people more as they live themselves into the virtual world of the game.

    4. Re:I wonder... by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      Yeah seriously...back in my EQ heydays, $10-$15/month for 20-40 hours of entertainment (I was in college and highschool back then, what did you expect me to do, homework??) every WEEK. Plus the occasional $30 expansion.

      Or $10 for 2 hours of entertainment at the movies. Real tough decision.

      DVDs not as bad, but they aren't available at launch. Also, you almost never watch them enough compared to a game to get the same entertainment value. However, my LOTR Extended rivals ES4: Oblivion in dollars per hour of entertainment. And I did just about everything in that game...twice. On an unrelated note, I am now fluent in Elvish.

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    5. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      [...]and you go home with nothing.

      You're doing it wrong...

    6. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can usually buy a new copy of a movie for around $10 and watch it as much as I want. In fact, in the few cases I care about and priced out -- e.g., The Virgin Suicides, Blade Runner -- a copy of the soundtrack usually costs more than a DVD of the movie.

      Watching a DVD at home isn't the same as at a cinema, you say? Playing a video game on your own system isn't the same as a night out in an arcade, either.

    7. Re:I wonder... by Livius · · Score: 1

      Yes, it couldn't possibly be the quality of the product the movie industry is producing.

      </sarcasm>

    8. Re:I wonder... by socrplayr813 · · Score: 1

      Watching a DVD at home isn't the same as at a cinema, you say? Playing a video game on your own system isn't the same as a night out in an arcade, either.

      Yeah, games at my house have better graphics, more versatile input devices, better story, and more in-depth gameplay.

      If the screen size and sound mattered that much to me, I could put together a large LCD or projector with a 7.1 sound system and have similar or better quality. Not to mention, there's something to be said for a quiet movie at home with someone I actually LIKE versus sitting in a theater with 50-100+ annoying mouth-breathers that don't know how to shut up.

      Of course, I tend not to pay much attention to movies when we're sitting on the couch, but I know most Slashdotters wouldn't understand that one...

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  3. Online Bias! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the source linked in the above:

    Data note: Information in this press release was derived from The NPD Group's "Entertainment Trends In America" consumer tracking study. The study is conducted online ...

    Flawed.

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    1. Re:Online Bias! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No it's not.

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    2. Re:Online Bias! by anonymousNR · · Score: 1
      1. They will hype this anyway and
      2. soon this would split into number of violent games played
      3. and then split into number of teenagers playing the violent games
      4. and then moms against video games go crazy
      5. and push some senator and then will be proposal for a bill,
      6. then game industry fights back
      7. ,

      8. more articles on slashdot
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    3. Re:Online Bias! by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes it's.

    4. Re:Online Bias! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      NPD is a sleazy "we might give you a prize someday"-type harvester of your personal information, but does that mean they're hiring incompetent statisticians? Can't they just have purchased information on moviegoing from some other firm? Et cetera, et cetera. IANAS.

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    5. Re:Online Bias! by tattood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. They will hype this anyway and
      2. soon this would split into number of violent games played
      3. and then split into number of teenagers playing the violent games
      4. and then moms against video games go crazy
      5. and push some senator and then will be proposal for a bill,
      6. then game industry fights back
      7.


      8. more articles on slashdot

      9. Profit!

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    6. Re:Online Bias! by IronMagnus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agree. Being conducted online, it shows a bias to computer users who are more likely to be gamers. Now go do the same study by having people stand in a strip mall holding clip boards where there is a movie theater nearby.

    7. Re:Online Bias! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's.

    8. Re:Online Bias! by Nathrael · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. 10 is profit. 9 is ???.

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    9. Re:Online Bias! by Opie812 · · Score: 1

      An interesting point you raise.

      You've got me convinced.

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    10. Re:Online Bias! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monty Pythons Flying Circus?

    11. Re:Online Bias! by RulerOf · · Score: 0

      computer users who are more likely to be gamers.

      [citation needed]

      Please don't make ignorant assumptions. Just because computers can play games doesn't mean that everyone uses them that way.

      The world is full of people who use computers to work or be entertained without playing games. At all.

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    12. Re:Online Bias! by baileydau · · Score: 2, Informative

      computer users who are more likely to be gamers.

      [citation needed]

      Well it's a bit hard to play a *computer* game without a *computer*[1].

      Whereas you can go to the movies without owning a computer. Therefore there is a portion of the population that have been excluded from this survey.

      [1] Yes I realise that some / many people also play games on dedicated hardware that may not have an Internet connection. Some of those people would also be excluded from this survey.

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    13. Re:Online Bias! by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      It's flawed for more reasons than that. They're comparing any type of video game playing to one type of movie watching. Compare apples to apples and see how many people go to the arcade vs. how many people go out to the movies. Or compare any type of video game playing to any type of movie watching. Hell, look at how many video games are rented vs. how many movies are rented. I'm no statistician, but I'd wager there is a larger section of the video store devoted to movies than to video games for a reason.

    14. Re:Online Bias! by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      [1] Yes I realise that some / many people also play games on dedicated hardware

      Last I heard the statistics, more games are played on consoles than on desktop/laptop computers.

      People such as you and I may understand that there is no better platform for playing video games than the PC, but we're obviously the minority here.

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  4. I don't do either one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also don't own a TV. Let me drone on about that for a while...

    1. Re:I don't do either one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont even own a computer.

    2. Re:I don't do either one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you this guy?

    3. Re:I don't do either one by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh yeah? I've never even *used* a computer.

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    4. Re:I don't do either one by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Yep :D

      Have the onion switched over to real news yet? It's difficult to tell these days...

    5. Re:I don't do either one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My home doesn't even have electricity.

    6. Re:I don't do either one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even use a toilet.

  5. Hmmm2000 by Hmmm2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be interesting to know, out of the folks that still go to movie theatres, how many of them go to see them in the imax format. With many families having big screen tvs at home, I'm sure many of them (as I do) wait until it comes out on dvd. The one exception to that is if its a movie I'm interested in watching and its at an imax theatre, as the imax experience with a 6 story movie screen is hard to replicate at home.

    1. Re:Hmmm2000 by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Informative

      IMAX recently started selling out and allowing theaters with smaller screens to use the IMAX brand. Be careful when you choose an IMAX theater... it may not be what you expect.

    2. Re:Hmmm2000 by syousef · · Score: 3, Funny

      IMAX recently started selling out and allowing theaters with smaller screens to use the IMAX brand. Be careful when you choose an IMAX theater... it may not be what you expect.

      So when is the new IMAX iPhone app coming out? You know what they say. 2 i's are better than 1!

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    3. Re:Hmmm2000 by maglor_83 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aye aye, cap'n.

  6. Interesting.... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    Now all World of Warcraft and Second Life have to do to take over the world are sponsor some kind of in-game theater/movie experience. I can see it now:

    Blizzard announces new skill tree for all classes: Theater Employment skills, featuring 733T skillz like floor sweeping and garbage collecting. New race specific skill introduced: Blood and Night Elf females can now train in the Candy Striper professions.

    There will even be a new mount: The handicap wheelchair: Available only when movement is debuffed.

  7. What's the real reason? by DynamicBits · · Score: 1

    I doubt the cause of this is the games; they haven't gotten any better lately in my opinion.

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    1. Re:What's the real reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In my case, netflix and an HD TV.

      The quality is great, I don't have to deal with jack asses in the theater, and it is cheap. Unless I really want to see it in the theater for some reason, then, I just catch it at home six months later.

    2. Re:What's the real reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you run Linux and are stuck with lame penguin games? The best FPS's for Linux aren't even up to par with what the rest of the world was playing 10 years ago. You're right, they haven't gotten any better.

    3. Re:What's the real reason? by Schnoogs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? As a hardcore gamer some of the best games I've ever played have come out in the last few years. Fallout 3, Bioshock, Orange Box, Call of Duty 4, Mass Effect, GTA4, STALKER, Geometry Wars, GH3, God of War 2 to name a few from a massive list.

    4. Re:What's the real reason? by DarrenBaker · · Score: 1

      I doubt the cause of this is the games; they haven't gotten any better lately in my opinion.

      You clearly haven't played Braid.

    5. Re:What's the real reason? by DynamicBits · · Score: 1

      Dear Troll,

      I run multiple operating systems, including Linux and Windows. I've seen games (all types; not just FPSs) that have a high wow-factor at first. After playing them for a little while I realize they don't bring anything new to the table.

      Often times, it seems as if the game developers just used a new engine for the same old game. But at least they have people like you who fall for those tactics, right?

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    6. Re:What's the real reason? by Chabo · · Score: 1

      I haven't played Braid, but even if it is good, a statistical anomaly does not disprove a generalization.

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    7. Re:What's the real reason? by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Your generalization doesn't prove anything either as it's only your opinion. Whether a game is good or not is subjective.

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    8. Re:What's the real reason? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Similar here. Rented DVDs, a projector, and a surround-sound system. Have friends over to watch a film three or four times and you've spent less than if you want to the cinema between you. Getting them to pay probably wouldn't go down well, but you can easily persuade them to bring food and booze.

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    9. Re:What's the real reason? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      the majority of games have gone down in quality. You always see that with industry. Quantity goes up, quality goes down. But it's not a physical product you morons, you can duplicate it at will.

      but also, most theatres suck ass. They charge too much for refreshments and food, the seats are usually too close together.

      That's why I only go to the cinebistro now. Even though the food sucks, the seats are huge and they only admit 21 and up.

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    10. Re:What's the real reason? by DarrenBaker · · Score: 1

      I wasn't attempting to disprove your generalisation, sir. I merely attempted to prove, using deduction, that you had not in fact played Braid, and I was correct. Nyah.

      Generally, I agree with your generalisation, that games haven't gotten any better. In fact, I think they've gotten worse - lost up their own asses, if you will - since they started adding five, six, seven, etc. buttons to the controllers. But Braid came along, and renewed my faith in the medium. It is a true work of art, and I recommend, highly, that you seek it out!

      Sincerely,

      The guy who invented Braid*

      *Not the guy who invented Braid.

    11. Re:What's the real reason? by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 1

      I think you need to distinguish between quality and gameplay. If a game has a finite budget (as they all do) you spend money where marketing believes it will make the most money. Lately that seems to be graphics. (And I do hope we focus more on gameplay moving forward and less on graphics as Nintendo has.) But as a 3D artist myself I can assure you that making all these 3d objects with textures is a time consuming process, now throw in normal maps, spec maps, bumps on top of that, and some paralax mapping and what you have is a very expensive process. This money has to come from somewhere, and generally the programmers need just as much budget to get these complex things working.

      So naturally the money has to come from testing or distribution/packaging. Valve is discovering they can save it in distribution and packaging by offering things online for $30 as it eliminates the previous costs. Notice Valve doesn't make bad games, pretty much ever. They aren't sublime, they're smart. They save the money for testing by removing those other 2 costs. Most companies go the other way around. Nintendo cut costs on all the graphics (and accompanied programming) and knocked it out of the park. All the marketing droids and tv dunderheads were so convinced Nintendo was crazy, yet they completely dominated the lastest gen of console sales. This is a step in the right direction. If I wanted real life, I'd go outside... I can live without realistic graphics. Valve also clearly understands this concept.

      The quality of games in general is vastly improved. To discount the improvement in graphics and AI over the past 10 years is quite an oversight. The problem is to keep games affordable with these demands and increase in complexity without tripling the budget (and sale cost) of your game. 15 years ago there were no 'open betas' in the amounts we see them today. Open beta is code for "we don't have a testing budget" with most game companies.

      Marketing however doesn't generally understand this, and games go out buggy as hell. For an MMO, this is the end. For games like Bioshock, heck it didn't even work out of the box for the xbox 360. You had to patch it to play it. But it's a decent game, though imho not as great as everyone says.

      The quality of the game is good, but it's buggy and as such the gameplay suffers. Poor gameplay means poor perception of the product, and in your case, products in general.

      Addressing your "Quantity goes up, quality goes down" comment, I'm not sure what you mean. In a digital world, copies are infinite if you mean the number of games sold. If you mean the games sold per year per company (like fast food), I would advise you to note the company making them and not buy from them anymore. I've got 2K games and EA on my list of crappy game companies.

      If people didn't buy the games from these fast food game companies then they'd stop making them. But you keep buying the crap, so it's more crap you'll get.

    12. Re:What's the real reason? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      It's just less of a hassle to rent/buy/download a DVD/BluRay and curl up on the couch... the experience is similar in terms of sound and picture quality these days.

      Why run down to the local Cineplex and wait in line for half an hour (15 for tickets, 15 for popcorn etc.), then share a cinema with loud, drunk, obnoxious idiots or ill-mannered teenagers, and then find out that you can't even hit pause to go empty your bladder of the overpriced beer you just bought at the concession stand...

      No thanks, I'll take my living room any day of the week.

    13. Re:What's the real reason? by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      How was it a work of art? It was a crappy platformer with a 'rewind time' button. You couldn't even technically die.

      The 'story' was a bunch of nonsense about the main character emo-ing out on his ex. Hell I don't even know if she was his ex, the story seemed to follow a completely arbitrary time line.

      Why do you start in the hero's house? Why are the doors in there portals to strange lands with ugly creatures? Why does going through a special door make a ladder appear in my house?! Mario can get away with 'Why am I crawling down a pipe?' because that was at least new, and fairly unique.

      And why the hell did the game designer expect you to figure out that you had to die, rewind time, and let your shadow die again to bounce an enemy in the air? It's a completely random mechanic, and the only part of the game I actually had to look up. Of course, I guess you could at least say it was the one part of the game that was 'innovative'. The rest made me yawn.

      The ONLY thing I would like to see from Braid in any other game is the artistic style, which hardly makes up for the lack of content (with regards to both gameplay and story). I think I would have been happier spending my money on a poster.

    14. Re:What's the real reason? by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Sorry to reply to myself, but I had to say:

      Play Cave Story( http://www.miraigamer.net/cavestory/ ). It's free and it's about 100x more fun than Braid. It actually has replayability too.

    15. Re:What's the real reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems you are not a gamer. This means you're opinion on the state of gaming really is irrelevant. In meatspace games, people pay money money to play the same game over and over again. Equipment, club fees, etc can run hundreds of dollars year. That's being conservative. They don't even get the new engine, that can provide better graphics, physics and enemy AI.

      If you don't have a point, you might as well be a douchebag, amirite?

    16. Re:What's the real reason? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      I thought for a second I might see some intelligent discourse, but I honestly skipped your entire reply once I read the phrase "as nintendo has".

      I was playing games when you were in diapers. Before nintendo. I'll be playing long after there is no nintendo.

      The problem with "you people" is that you always think game play is the pinnacle of the piece. You'd be wrong.

      Trust this, no one is giving up movies for nintendo games. No one ever will.

      Nintendo doesn't understand immersion. They never will.

      You don't understand games as a business or as an art form.

      You could have the most addicting game play in the world, if it looks like something for japanese toddlers, it will not be taken seriously.

      And don't assume I'm buying crap. I only buy quality games. I never buy crap.

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    17. Re:What's the real reason? by Chabo · · Score: 1

      Well, you haven't proved it yet, because you were trying to prove that DynamicBits hadn't played it, not me. ;)

      As for me, I've seen Yahtzee's review, and according to him it's worth playing, despite its faults (mostly story, apparently). I may buy it sometime when it's on sale on Steam.

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    18. Re:What's the real reason? by DarrenBaker · · Score: 1

      One of the things that happens with art is that some people get it, and some people don't. It's clear that it didn't appeal to you, and that's too bad. I won't ruin the game here, but suffice to say - there is much, much more to it than you've covered here. Read up on it and find out what you've been missing.

    19. Re:What's the real reason? by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      "He has also said that he 'would not be capable' of explaining the whole story of the game, and stated that the central idea is 'something big and subtle and resists being looked at directly.'"

      To you, that may suggest that it's something so epic that neither you nor the creator can wrap your/his mind around it. To me, it suggests that the dev smoked a lot of weed, wrote some nonsense down, and figured it was good enough.

      I mean, really, the theme of the game was not a bad one. The way it was presented, however, was horrible. The feeling of 'oh god, what have I done, it was really me all along' was communicated much more effectively and powerfully in Half-Life 2, with Breen's questioning of Gordon: "How could you have thrown it all away," and later, "What is it, exactly, that you have created?"

      If the purpose of a game, as art, is to provoke thought and instill in me certain emotions with a high level of authenticity, and if, in Braid, these emotions were remorse and reconsideration of past actions in a different light, then Braid has, as both a game and a work of art, failed to do so. Half Life 2, on the other hand, actually made me think.

      Braid, while attempting to convey similar emotions, instead told me the story of some guy who didn't appreciate his girlfriend. Half Life 2, on the other hand, takes you from being the sole savior of an alien race and the leader of the human resistance to being (to some) the greatest obstacle in the dawning of a new age for humanity.

    20. Re:What's the real reason? by DarrenBaker · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll spell it out then, to save you reading the links. Braid is about the development of the atomic bomb, and the princess (read: fission) he is saving is actually running, fleeing, from him - since the game is actually played out in reverse. Your protagonist is actually your antagonist.

      Those things he talks about, the subtle central ideas, are about consumption by obsession, and about trying to put the genie back in the bottle. It's about grand and small things, and specifically, a man consumed by his desire to unravel the mysteries of the universe, an obsession echoed by the stalker aspect that serves as the framework for the story. It's almost literary in nature, something I just haven't seen in any other game.

      Now I understand where you're coming from, because I am one of those guys who detests 'art' films that purport to delve the darker aspects of man's soul, etc. etc. etc., and really are just masturbatory acting exercises (Up here in Canada, we call it 'Canadian Cinema', and pat ourselves on the back for being so deliberately obtuse). However, the depths of this story didn't appear to me until a few days after I'd been frustrated by the last level of the game. I'd convinced myself that I'd missed something, and got a duff ending as a result. Suddenly, it hit me, and the whole thing became clear.

      I can't make the game resonate with your experience, all I can tell you is how it resonated with mine, and many others, to create one of the most exceptional gaming experiences of my life. As I said before, if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you, and that's that.

      Oh, and, SPOILER.

    21. Re:What's the real reason? by DarrenBaker · · Score: 1

      Bah! How dare you point out my numbskullery!

  8. Mod a PC game by tepples · · Score: 1

    I've been waiting like 15 years for Duke Nukem Forever to come out! Now, what am I going to do?

    Duke Nukem is Apogee's answer to Snake Plissken, played by Kurt Russell in John Carpenter's Escape films. Design your own Snake-alike character, find someone who sounds like Russell or Jon St. John to voice him, and put him in your favorite moddable PC shooter.

    1. Re:Mod a PC game by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      There is no similarity between Snake Plissken and Duke Nukem.

      Kurt Russell's masterful performance in Escape from New York was far more nuanced and interesting than Duke Nukem, who at best was two dimensional.

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    2. Re:Mod a PC game by Ersatz+Chickenweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Duke Nukem, who at best was two dimensional."

      I think you're forgetting about this one:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D

    3. Re:Mod a PC game by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you're forgetting about this one: [Duke Nukem 3D]

      Almost... DN3D's Build engine was pseudo-3D.

      (the Sega Saturn version, OTOH, was actually 3D, as it used the SlaveDriver engine)

    4. Re:Mod a PC game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      snake pliskin = solid snake aka iriquoi pliskin

    5. Re:Mod a PC game by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      On that basis, just go play Metal Gear Solid, it was inspired by Escape From New York and has just as poor dialogue writers.

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  9. Slashdot needs an Obvious Tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The economy's in the toilet, ticket prices are up and Hollywood just released another bunch of rehashed crap.

  10. Do the math by joeflies · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's say that any reasonable $60 game provides at least 20 hours of entertainment. That works out to $3 an hour. If you get a solid RPG, that's more like 60 to 80 hours of interactive entertainment that you can enjoy whenever you want at home.

    For many of us, buying last year's game drives the price down to $30 or $20 a game, skewing the ratio even further, making it likely you pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 cents an hour.

    Going to a movie is $12.50 for 90 minutes of non interactive entertainment, which is $8.33/hour and that doesn't even factor in the cost of transportation, snacks, and the trip to olive garden beforehand.

    Dollar for dollar, video gaming is cheaper and more convenient than a trip to the movies.

    1. Re:Do the math by Chabo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is how I convinced my girlfriend that pre-ordering Left 4 Dead was worth it.

      I buy about 2 games per year, and play the hell out of them, so even though Left 4 Dead had a 50% off sale 4 months after release, by then I'd already played enough to pass the $1/hour line on my $45 purchase.

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    2. Re:Do the math by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dollar for dollar, video gaming is cheaper and more convenient than a trip to the movies.

      Not many people really operate like this. Yes, the perceived entertainment 'value' vs cost is a factor, and yes, people often think movies are ripoff. But then $10 for a movie ticket that sucked isn't as much a loss as $60 for a game that sucked.

      But honestly, if you try to argue that:

      (best value) = min($/hour)

      It doesn't work. getting min($/hr) down to zero is trivial.

      You'll always just end up going for a walk, flying a kite, shooting hoops, playing cards, reading a book from the libary, contributing to an oss project,

      And with a bit of effort you can easily push min($/hr) into the negatives by finding an activity that actually pays you.

      Why would you EVER pay even 25 cents an hour to play video games when you could MAKE 50 cents an hour ... or even 50 dollars an hour doing something else...

      Clearly our method of placing a value on how we spend our time is more complex than a a simple minimization of cost function.

    3. Re:Do the math by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Dollar for dollar, video gaming is cheaper and more convenient than a trip to the movies.

      Not many people really operate like this.

      Disagree. Many of them have Netflix instead of a video game habit.

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    4. Re:Do the math by Haoie · · Score: 1

      And don't forget you can always resell the game[s] for some recoupment.

      Not that collectors and such would want to, right?

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    5. Re:Do the math by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Not many people really operate like this. Yes, the perceived entertainment 'value' vs cost is a factor, and yes, people often think movies are ripoff. But then $10 for a movie ticket that sucked isn't as much a loss as $60 for a game that sucked.

      But you can rarely get refunds for movies, on the other hand if you have a game that you think sucked you can ebay the thing for only about a 10-20 dollar loss if its new enough.

      Clearly our method of placing a value on how we spend our time is more complex than a a simple minimization of cost function.

      Assuming you enjoy movies just as much as video games, its about the same.

      You'll always just end up going for a walk, flying a kite, shooting hoops, playing cards, reading a book from the libary, contributing to an oss project,

      Sure, but many people would rather play video games then that. I really don't enjoy walking any more than I have to and a bit more just to keep in decent health, flying a kite depends on the wind. Most geeks really suck at any type of athletic sports, cards usually end up losing more money then a video game, books from the library are ok every now and then, and have you even contributed to an OSS project? Coding it is fun, but then the approval process is just plain annoying (at least on many projects)

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    6. Re:Do the math by Chabo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (best value) = min($/hour)

      I'd argue it's more like:

      value = ($/hour) * fun

      If your job is on the negative side of the fun scale, then even though you get paid, you wouldn't choose to use your free time for work over a game. Meanwhile, if there's a very fun activity that costs a bunch of money (skydiving, perhaps?), you might decide that you'll only do it once a year.

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    7. Re:Do the math by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the cards. I think the guy above you meant regular playing cards, not a CCG. Couple bucks for a pack, and you're set.

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    8. Re:Do the math by Odin+The+Ravager · · Score: 1

      Let's say that any reasonable $60 game provides at least 20 hours of entertainment.

      I've been playing N64 games with my friends since middle school. We still play semi-regularly, albeit now it's a drinking game. Some games (multiplayer mostly) provide much more than 80 hrs of fun. Examples: super smash brothers, mario kart, mario party, blitz.

      Interactivity is simply more engaging (more fun) than passive entertainment.

    9. Re:Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit! You're right! Except... if you make money, you are effectively getting a NEGATIVE benefit for the money you spend. So that's actually the worse value...

    10. Re:Do the math by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Holy shit! You're right! Except... if you make money, you are effectively getting a NEGATIVE benefit for the money you spend. So that's actually the worse value...

      Its not a "negative benefit". Its a positive benefit with a negative cost.

    11. Re:Do the math by vux984 · · Score: 1

      But you can rarely get refunds for movies, on the other hand if you have a game that you think sucked you can ebay the thing for only about a 10-20 dollar loss if its new enough.

      So in your best case (losing $10) you break even with the worst case of going to a movie. And in reality, as you noted that only applies to new games if you are lucky. Most of the time you'll be lucky to get 50% of what you paid for it after all is said and done.

      And PC games, what the with the activation codes, or worse, the online accounts where you are just 'subscribing to the game you bought' (e.g. Steam.) its pretty much just money down the drain. ...Sure, but many people would rather play video games then that.

      Precisely! The fact that going for a walk costs you nothing and you can do it indefinitely doesn't make people choose it over all other forms of entertainment. That was my point. The post I responded too argued that people prefer games to movies because games were better $/hr... but that's not enough. Its a tiny piece of the equation. The bigger picture relates to much they'll actually enjoy doing it. If they don't enjoy it, it doesn't matter if its cheap, or even free, or even if it pays them... they'll still go see a movie they want to see.

    12. Re:Do the math by RyoShin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But then $10 for a movie ticket that sucked isn't as much a loss as $60 for a game that sucked.

      Except that if the game sucks, I can either return it (in some cases), or sell it back/eBay it and make some of my money back. For a brand new game within 30 days of release, you'll probably make back 40-60% of what you paid, if you're smart when selling it.

      If a movie sucks, I have no recourse. Maybe if the quality was really shitty I can complain and get my money back, but otherwise I'm S.O.L. I can't stand outside the theater shouting "Movie stub for sale! Half the movie, half the price!"

      Why would you EVER pay even 25 cents an hour to play video games when you could MAKE 50 cents an hour ... or even 50 dollars an hour doing something else...

      Because money should be made to be used, not to be horded. What's the use in making 50 bucks an hour when I never have the time or inclination to spend 25 cents an hour entertaining myself?

    13. Re:Do the math by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Because money should be made to be used, not to be horded. What's the use in making 50 bucks an hour when I never have the time or inclination to spend 25 cents an hour entertaining myself?

      Precisely. Clearly choosing your activities based on least cost/hour is not how normal people function. That was my point.

    14. Re:Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand you people. "Oh my girlfriend, she's in control of my wallet". Seriously grow a pair, she's your girlfriend not your wife. You're pretty much setting yourself up for an awful marriage if it gets to that.

    15. Re:Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Going to a movie is $12.50 for 90 minutes of non interactive entertainment"

      Don't forget the money, time and effort of actually getting to the cinema.

    16. Re:Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poker is regular playing cards.

    17. Re:Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can rarely get refunds for movies, on the other hand if you have a game that you think sucked you can ebay the thing for only about a 10-20 dollar loss if its new enough.

      You can usually get a refund for a movie at a theatre if you ask for it during the first half hour or so.

    18. Re:Do the math by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      Yes, but with gaming you have to factor in the cases upon cases of mountain dew and cheese doodles consumed as well ;)

      3 cases of mtn dew - ~$20

      5 Bags of Cheese Doodles - ~$15

      The sugar coma that ensues due to drinking 3 cases of Mtn Dew - ~$500/Day hospital room

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    19. Re:Do the math by Chabo · · Score: 1

      At some budgets, $45 constitutes a major purchase. We discuss every major purchase with each other.

      If you share a budget with someone, and don't discuss major purchases with them, you'll soon either be broke, or broken up.

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    20. Re:Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if it costs you loads and you hate it it's insanely valuable?

  11. before the trek. by CheshireFerk-o · · Score: 0

    Before the new Star Trek came out i seriously cannot say what the last movie I saw in a theater was. I can certainly say in that time I've spent more money on video games then movies. This is mostly due to lack of quality content coming out of hollywood. What it comes down to is value for you buck. The new S.Trek was worth it to me but I would defiantly get more entertainment out of buying a new video game with that 30 dollars spent on an evening to the theater. Just like so many shovelware video games, movies are no diffrent, it's up to hollywood to decide which content is crap and which they want to sink cash into in order to turn a profit. Either way both hollywood and video game industry is turning billions in profit, so why should they bitch, nobody else is making that kind of money on poor product.

    1. Re:before the trek. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nobody else is making that kind of money on poor product.

      except McDonald's

    2. Re:before the trek. by CheshireFerk-o · · Score: 0

      even they made some kinda half assed attempt to weed out the bad, unlike most of the crap put through theaters.

  12. The real reason? by Drone69 · · Score: 0

    Interaction > Sedation A good game is still way more entertaining than a good movie.

  13. What about DVDs? by syousef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The era of movie theatres is gone. People play games because they're convenient.

    Is this really any surprise? Movie theatres are inconvenient, relatively expensive, and you have to take pot luck when it comes to movie goers you might have to put up with. Most people have a TV and a DVD player. Anyone who cares about sound and can afford it has decent speakers. Likewise those who care about big screens they're not so expensive that they're completely out of reach for most. So the advantage that movie theatres had when that technology was out of reach is gone. What's more nothing beats the privacy of your own home. If you live alone or with people who'll put up with it you can watch in your underwear if you like. If you're on call, no problem, just hit pause if the phone rings. Want to get intimate with your date? Well you're much less likely to get arrested if you do at home. If that's not enough the price of food at home isn't overblown and the quality is as good as you make it.

    A much better comparison would be spend on DVD vs computer games. Even that's not a fair comparison if you count mobile games because most people would still prefer a decent size screen and don't want to re-encode to watch on a postage stamp sized on. It's a hell of a lot easier to pull out your mobile on your commute than to pull out (and carry) a laptop or DVD player. What's more if your commute isn't very long chances are you can find a game that can be played in the short time you have, vs watching a movie or DVD over several days.

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    1. Re:What about DVDs? by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      If you live alone or with people who'll put up with it you can watch in your underwear if you like./p>

      You do that too?

    2. Re:What about DVDs? by Evil+Shabazz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back around 2003 or so, I picked up a BenQ projector that does 1080i and 720p (that was before they made 1080p most anywhere) or XGA resolution depending on input. It cost me $1100. I then picked up a set of JBL 7.1 speakers for $200 from J&R.

      I have a beautiful movie experience in my living room at 96" to which I have connected both my computer and my PS3 for less than $1500. And after 6 years of using it without any care for how often or how long I left it on, the lamp FINALLY died after 5000hrs of life, even though the guide says 2-3000hrs. And the replacement only cost me $180. The brightness is good even during the day at 1700 lumens. And you don't even know it's there when it's off.

      I don't know why anyone would buy one of those huge HD TVs or go to the theater compared to that...

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    3. Re:What about DVDs? by binarythoughts · · Score: 1

      Do you think it's possible to re-invent the movie theater to attract the audience members that it's losing?

    4. Re:What about DVDs? by Opie812 · · Score: 1

      You watch movies in that guys underwear?

      Very Odd. (and a little creepy)

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    5. Re:What about DVDs? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Want to get intimate with your date? Well you're much less likely to get arrested if you do at home.

      One of my first jobs was at a movie theater. A couple of times per month this couple came in, we eventually nicknamed them the "Swing Kids". They used to sit at the back of the theater and do things. It was always too dark to tell, but we think she wore no panties and used to lift up her skirt. As soon as the movie was over, the girl would limp (because she had a gimpy leg) to the ladies room and clean up. Nobody ever complained and they paid for their tickets and concessions so we never kicked them out or called the cops.

      LK

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    6. Re:What about DVDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point about including DVDs, but if we're talking about total movie consumption we've got to add in everything: theaters, DVDs, downloads, the whole shebang. This survey was skewed toward a night at the movies vs. playing games, I'd be curious to know the other figures.

      I think it might help too if Hollywood hadn't been cranking out such crap movies for so many decades. Last time I was at the theater, there was exactly one movie out of at least twenty that wasn't a remake or a sequel, and of those at least a third were based on toys. Also, you can return a crappy game or DVD, money spent on a bad movie at theaters is gone forever. That may even be the actual value proposition. Either way though, this feels like apples and oranges to me.

    7. Re:What about DVDs? by macshit · · Score: 1

      The era of movie theatres is gone. People play games because they're convenient.

      Is this really any surprise? Movie theatres are inconvenient, relatively expensive, and you have to take pot luck when it comes to movie goers you might have to put up with. Most people have a TV and a DVD player.

      That's certainly true for some people, in some situations, but it's hardly true universally.

      Seeing a movie in a theater is a social experience. I find that in a nice theater with a good audience, there's a vibe and energy, and a sense of being immersed in the experience that simply isn't there with a bigscreen TV and a few friends. It's not a subtle difference, the two experiences simply aren't even close. I've watched movies in both settings, and sometimes a film which seemed kinda blah and boring on DVD springs to life in the theater.

      Maybe you value privacy and the underwear thing more than the energy of the crowd, and maybe moviegoers in your area are all jerks, so in your case, perhaps watching a DVD is usually better.

      I, on the other hand, far prefer seeing something in the theater if at all possible. Watching DVDs with friends is a fun thing too, but it's really a different activity, not a replacement for the theater experience.

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  14. Price per player by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Going to a movie is $12.50 for 90 minutes of non interactive entertainment

    Or perhaps $7.50 for a matinee. But what makes movies an even worse deal is that the $7.50 or $12.50 is per person, which adds up if you're taking the family to a G or PG rated film. With a video game, on the other hand, four players can plug in controllers and smash the crap out of one another or blow one another to smithereens until the cows come home. A video game doesn't charge extra for more players unless the publisher is greedy enough to disable shared-screen play and spawn installations.

    1. Re:Price per player by GNious · · Score: 1

      I think you are on to something there - We license the games to gamers, so each player in split-screen should really purchase his/her own license and type in the license-key everytime they join a game to verify it....

  15. Not surprised by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a night out to the movies for a family of four costs MORE than a video game I am not surprised that the average family decides to buy the video game instead.

    That's just more value for your money. Especially, when you can just wait a few months and get it through your Blockbuster/Netflix membership and see it for a bare fraction of the price.

    What are theaters really offering these days anyways? Loud assholes that won't shut up during the movie? Dozens of people that won't shut their phones off and insist on texting during the movie (creating a distracting sea of lights beneath you)? $5 dollar soft drinks? No ice-tea or other healthy alternatives?

    Basically just a bunch of over priced crap.

    20 years ago I would go the movies and then decide what I was going to watch. With all the options I have at home (DVR'd TV shows with no commercials), On-Demand movies, half-dozen consoles and hundreds of video games, it will take a really fantastic movie to get me out in the theaters.

    Most of the movies I just decide to watch when it hits the rentals. In fact, with Blockbuster and Netflix you can pre-order them to be in your list anyways.

    1. Re:Not surprised by sexconker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You forgot that movies suck shit now.

      Terminator 4? There wasn't even a Terminator 3!
      (NO THERE WASN'T)

    2. Re:Not surprised by Chabo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then call the new one by its actual title.

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    3. Re:Not surprised by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      No ice-tea or other healthy alternatives?

      You're joking about ice-tea being healthy right? I seriously hope you are. That stuff is just as full of sugar as soft drink.

    4. Re:Not surprised by EdIII · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You're joking about ice-tea being healthy right? I seriously hope you are. That stuff is just as full of sugar as soft drink.

      No I am not joking. I am CERTAINLY not talking about that Arizona Ice Tea crap. Sweet Tea with a bunch of high fructose corn syrup in it is the same thing as a soft drink. I will agree with you on that.

      I was referring to the sugarless "regular" Lipton, Nestea, etc. The worst thing it has in it is a little caffeine.

      Sorry, I just automatically assumed that my reference to Ice Tea as a healthy alternative would make on think about the regular stuff with no sugar added.

    5. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all of us put sugar in our ice-tea. I drink mine without any sugar or anything else.

      Southern sweet-tea is the bad stuff.

    6. Re:Not surprised by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      While I agree with many of your arguments, I'm not sure about this one...

      Loud assholes that won't shut up during the movie? Dozens of people that won't shut their phones off and insist on texting during the movie (creating a distracting sea of lights beneath you)?

      So, I go to the movies pretty frequently and in all the times I've ever been to a movie, there is only one time that I had one of those idiots in the crowd. (And to be fair, he had fallen asleep and didn't realize he was snoring.)

      What I wonder is - is the movie argument kind of like the Windows arguments? Reuse the same argument over and over because it sounds good (whether it is true or not is irrelevant)? Or, do people *really* have this many problems and I've just been fortunate to go to a movie with the right crowd?

    7. Re:Not surprised by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that there was not a Terminator 3 ?!?!?!

      You should try to know before you speak.

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    8. Re:Not surprised by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then call the new one by its actual title. [imdb.com]

      "tt0438488" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, though.

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    9. Re:Not surprised by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Or, do people *really* have this many problems and I've just been fortunate to go to a movie with the right crowd?

      I really do. Quite often I have to move seats because some people just will not stop talking. Not just the stereotype of "black" people either. I was at a Harry Potter movie and there were 3 people that would NOT shut up during the entire movie. A bunch of white old ladies.

      The percentage is probably about 2/3 times. Seriously. I have tried going to theaters in upscale areas figuring maybe the class of people that go there were raised better. Nope. The last time I had a real problem where the cops were called the guy actually had the nerve to tell me, "I paid my 10 dollars. Shut the fuck up man. I'll do what I want". Apparently that was getting us both kicked out and a nice little conversation with Metro.

      I know what your thinking. My tolerance is too low. It isn't. After a few times I will politely "shshhhh" them, and then ask them very politely, calmly even, to be quiet and that I would greatly appreciate it if they would. I even move across the theater.

      Where the hell do you live anyways? Seriously. I might consider moving there since it seems people are more considerate of other people where you live.

      Anyways, I understand your point. However, my experience differs from yours. Even to the extent it's one of the top three reasons I rarely go to movies anymore.

    10. Re:Not surprised by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yah, dude. You could have at least linked to Terminator 3-D. That's miles closer to canon than those other 2 non-existent movies.

    11. Re:Not surprised by sexconker · · Score: 1

      404 not found.
      Seriously though I refuse to see this shit.
      And it has Christian Bale. Why?
      John Connor isn't even the main character in the fucking movie. They rewrote the script to fit Bale's ego. All the trailers show BALE BALE BALE. He gets top billing, too. What a fucking ass.

      Do they do the Batman voice where they crank up the bass as he strains his face like he's crapping out a school bus?
      (I already know that they do.)

      Fuck you hollywood. Fuck you.

  16. Math is Good by hurfy · · Score: 1

    I still spend over $38 a month on games because i am supporting 2 MMORPG accounts i dont really use much. But just barely... I am mainly playing Flatout 2 online, a 2 year old game that was $30 new! Have that down to $.05 per hour or less :)

    Porn doesn't count toward core entertainment? If not then that $38 or so will be half my entertainment $$ not a third ;) A few of us actually pay you know...although being grandfathered in 10 years ago at $10/month instead of $30 helps!

    1. Re:Math is Good by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      600 hours on a game? Holy shit....I've never understood people that enjoy doing that.

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    2. Re:Math is Good by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Meh, I've spent more time than that in the Neverwinter Nights Editor.

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    3. Re:Math is Good by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Try some call of duty world at war MULTIPLAYER. Then you'll understand..

    4. Re:Math is Good by tepples · · Score: 1

      600 hours on a game? Holy shit....I've never understood people that enjoy doing that.

      That's half an hour a day for just over three years. Some of the fanatics on animalxing.com's forum have played Animal Crossing at least that much. I'd imagine that The Sims or Tetris might be similar, not to mention Chess or Go.

  17. Well that depends strongly on when.. by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well that depends strongly on when the survey was done. The best movies come out in May, June, and July. And the best video games come out in September, October, and November. (I know I'm generalizing, but bear with me.)

    So, if the survey was taken in February, then the best games came out within the last six months, but the best movies have not, and that should cause the survey to tilt toward the video game side.

    1. Re:Well that depends strongly on when.. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I'd hope they meant "last six months" as being the question asked to a sample spread over a whole year and not a cherry-picking of results over the literal last six months. But the summary goes on to say:

      "the average gamer spent just over $38 per month on all types of gaming content" in the first three months of 2009

      which belies its a report of recent trends and thus not a very informative study.

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  18. (drum roll please) by Curtis_Branum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...And more Americans watch dvds than go to the arcade. What a dumb stat.

  19. Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by petrus4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a) In a good year now, I'll go to the cinema twice. Three times, tops. That isn't because I don't like the cinema "experience," either; I still love it. I don't, however, enjoy watching crap, and it is exceptionally rare for Hollywood to make good films these days.

    The suits have taken over in Hollywood, and their thinking is actually what is going to possibly destroy the industry, even though for some inexplicable reason, everyone still listens when they insist their doctrine of making sequels and prequels and retreads over and over and over again is good business sense.

    It isn't. When was the last time you saw a cinematic remake of a 60s TV show (other than Star Trek, of course; said for the sake of the legions of idiots who would respond with that, while thinking they were hilariously funny and ingeniously clever. Yes, I know you well, Slashdot) which made hundreds of millions of dollars? It doesn't happen. It's either the reasonably new or relatively innovative/risky movies that are the really big earners. The Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight. If Hollywood wants to survive, the suits have to go, and the industry needs to learn that creativity is what really gets major money from audiences; not canned business as usual. We don't want repetitive garbage; we want to be surprised and emotionally impacted and made to think.

    Please, film industry; start making good movies on a regular basis. I very much *want* to go to the cinema more, and if you make good films, you will get my money. I just refuse to pay to watch rubbish. Give me more films with the same level of quality as the Matrix (the first one, and to a lesser extent the second) and The Dark Knight, and I will go and see two of them a month if you make them that often. Most of the rest of us probably would too, I'm guessing.

    b) The economic factor. For the full experience, I will spend $20 AUD at the cinema now; $12 approximately for my ticket, and the rest on popcorn and Coke. (Which is horribly expensive, but given that I do it so rarely I justify it on that basis. In previous years when there were good movies on more often, if I still wanted food, I'd get some shopping bags or a backpack and load that up with stuff from the supermarket; so the cinema still got the money for my ticket. I only pirate movies as an advance screening if it's something I *really* want to see, like The Dark Knight, and I still go and see them afterwards anyway, partly because I like cinema trips, and partly because cam quality is always bad)

    The point though is that for maybe twice that, ($40 or so) if I've already got a console, I can buy a game which I can then play whenever I want. A cinema trip is a one off; it's fun, but you spend the $20 and then it's gone. $20 will also buy me a month's worth of playtime in World of Warcraft and a lot of other MMORPGs as well.

    If you've got the money, a trip to the cinema every so often is one of the most fun things I know of to do; I've always loved it. If you don't have so much money, however, it doesn't make much sense to pay for a one-off experience, when the same amount of money could keep you entertained for a month (or longer) if you spent it a different way. Games thus tend to be more cost effective.

    c) The immersion/interaction factor. I love a good movie. However, the unfortunate reality is that, no matter how good your movie is, it's never going to have the same amount of emotional impact for me that a game will, simply because with a game, I'm in control of the character on the screen, so it feels as though I'm actually inside it that much more. With a movie, I'm watching something. With a game, I'm doing something. The T4 movie means I'm watching Christian Bale shoot T800s. A T4 game means I'm shooting T800s. Which one do you think I'm going to want more?

    There are reasons why games are going to be a more compelling medium, which Hollywood can't do much about. However, there is one thing Hollywood can do, and needs to do if it wants to survive; it needs to start making truly good movies on a regular basis again. One truly standout movie every 2-4 years isn't cutting it; there need to be at least that many in one year.

    1. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by Chabo · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you saw a cinematic remake of a 60s TV show

      Not too long ago, actually...

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    2. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Ditto, although most of the Batman ones have been *much* better...

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    3. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      Give me more films with the same level of quality as the Matrix (the first one, and to a lesser extent the second)

      You lost me there. I never went to see the third on the basis of how bad the second one was. If you're actually asking for more movies like the second Matrix, I'd prefer the suits to be in charge.

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    4. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come off it and get over yourself.

      The original matrix is one of the 50 best movies ever made, so we can't really expect more than one movie of that caliber per year. They really should have left well enough alone, but the second movie wasn't that bad. IMDB, Netflix and Rotten Tomatoes all list it as better than average, and that's really all you can ask for.

      The opening of the second movie rivaled the first, but it got lost in itself introducing new enemies we'd never hear from again. It had a decent story and left us wanting more. Unfortunately the third movie was total crap by ALL accounts, and since it was really "part 2" of the second movie, it also lowered our opinions of the second movie. (Btw, Kill Bill did the same thing: Volume 1 was okay, but Volume 2 sucked ass.)

      I'm trying hard to forget the 2nd two matrix movies, but I wouldn't mind having a movie at least as good as the second movie every week. The trouble is: Hollywood only makes about 5-6 movies that good per year. If they made 10x as many "okay" movies, we'd probably also end up with more "really good" movies like the first matrix.

    5. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      Get over myself? I'm not spouting an elitist view here, or claiming my taste in movies is superior. Watch the second Matrix again. It's 5 minutes of slow paced plot progression, followed by 15 minutes of (usually) unrelated, excessively bullet-timed fight scenes. Lather, rinse, repeat. The fight scenes in the original Matrix occupied far less of the movie, and actually fit into the plot.

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    6. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by Chabo · · Score: 1

      Ditto, although most of the Batman ones have been *much* better...

      Sorry, I should've quoted the whole part of the parent post that I wanted to refer to:

      When was the last time you saw a cinematic remake of a 60s TV show which made hundreds of millions of dollars?

      I was being facetious by pointing to the Adam West Batman though, since I know it was a comic book before then.

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    7. Re:Entirely predictable, for a few reasons by jadin · · Score: 1

      It's a shame they never made any matrix sequels...

  20. Line Between Games & Movies Blurring by EEPROMS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Modern game makers now have music scores and scripts and god help us "plots!!". The reason people are spending more money on games is pretty obvious, modern games are replacing movies and then throwing in a interactive layer movies totally lack. Its a bit like when movies got sound ie talkies and then watching those still pushing the silent era format go broke.

    1. Re:Line Between Games & Movies Blurring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Games is the new movies!

    2. Re:Line Between Games & Movies Blurring by socrplayr813 · · Score: 1

      I agree that games certainly are taking over part of the movie audience, but there's still a place for movies. There are times when I want to get lost in story and don't feel a strong desire to be a part of it. I generally prefer games, but just watching a good story with someone is fun too.

      The movie industry will probably need to shrink a bit, but I doubt they're going anywhere.

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    3. Re:Line Between Games & Movies Blurring by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Modern game makers now have music scores and scripts and god help us "plots!!"

      What's wrong with "Go shoot the Nazis, they're evil" or "Go shoot the monsters, they're evil" or "Go shoot the grey/brown monsters, they're evil" or "Go pogo-stick the monsters, they're evil"?

  21. Productivity? by labnet · · Score: 1

    I know we humans like entertainment, but I really wonder how much productivity society looses because of video games.

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    1. Re:Productivity? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true American.

      There is more to life than squeezing the most "productivity" out of your time.

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    2. Re:Productivity? by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      Oh, about as much as is lost by sleeping, eating, watching TV, going for a walk..., which is to say, little or none. Maybe if you're a hardliner business type, every minute not spent working is a minute wasted, but for the rest of the world out there, time != money, and spare time during the day even less so.

      Nevermind the argument that can be raised that relaxing when you can, whatever it is you do to relax, generally helps you be more productive when you *are* at work.

    3. Re:Productivity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true American.

      There is more to life than squeezing the most "productivity" out of your time.

      While I agree completely with your sentiment, your Slashdot handle adds a humorous subtext to your post.

  22. And I have saved a bunch of money by switching to by spectro · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... Eve Online!

    Yes, before I "discovered" that damn game I was going out several nights a week, wasting my money in pussy and beer. Now I wake up and fire up my 3 clients, get to work late, come back and fire them up again until I drop asleep.

    After more than a year with this routine I have already paid-off 3 formerly maxed-out credit cards (2 more to go). All for $35/month.

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  23. A new idea? by Haxzaw · · Score: 1

    Video games are a better value than theaters. DVDs are a better value also. What would be really cool, and probably a better value, would be if we could have a place we could watch movies while sitting in our cars. I'd probably call it a Drive In Movie Theater, and I bet it would catch on really quickly. Of course, you wouldn't be able to have 18 screens, sticky arm rests, noisy patrons, cell phone interruptions, and the rest of the glorious indoor theater fun.

  24. MUD by Haxx · · Score: 1

      I played a MUD right up until 2002. Please don't tell anyone. The MUD was DragonRealms from play.net. The average nightly players are still near 1000. All text baby. Prep Fireball, wait, cast!
    My first text based game was ZORK on a C64. The farmer's sons were insane.

  25. It's me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mario?

  26. Prior art by kiddailey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Shhhh! Don't tell anyone (especially the MPAA), but you can already "go to the movies" in Second Life -- there are a number of virtual movie theaters on the grid and they get their content from YouTube, private machines, or from a movie streaming service.

    The popcorn is usually free but unfortunately, like in RealLife, you shouldn't expect the theater to be chatter-free when other people are there. Of course, you could just buy or create your own virtual television set and enjoy them in your own virtual home instead.

    Though I doubt Linden Labs will be sponsoring any events around one of them any time soon, you may be able to get virtually employed by at least one of them if you were so inclined.

  27. you can thank... by night_flyer · · Score: 1

    systems like the Wii and games like Guitar Hero which encourage participation.

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  28. Are you being sarcastic or informative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wasting my money in pussy and beer

    The first sentence sounds sarcastic, about devolving from a social person to an eve addict sounds sarcastic. The second sentence brings up a very improved financial status, which is a good thing, especially in this economic crysis. I am under the impression that under American society norms, your change is for the worse.

  29. disgusting fat greasy hair man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

    spread this to all your linfag friends.

  30. Thats "go to the movies" not watch movies by grapeape · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The key phrase there is "go to the movies". Around me movies are around $10-$12 a ticket, any food you buy is going end up costing more than the ticket to get in. For two people one and a half to two hours of entertainment is going to set you back at least $50 most of the time. For that same money I can buy a new game (yea technically for the 360 and PS3 they are $60 but someone always has them on sale the week of release) and get 2-3x more entertainment per dollar at a minimum and 10x more on average. Worse yet most theatres are a lousy experience at any cost. I took in Star Trek a couple weeks back and sat in a fairly crowded theatre while people around kept text messaging or talking, the near-sighted projectionist left the film slightly out of focus for the entire movie and I had to watch 20 minutes worth of commercial not including the credits before the movie even started. It was a quick reminder of why I go to the movies about once a year which is about how long it evidently takes me to forget how bad the last experience was. On the other hand I rent and buy a ton of DVD's, its cheaper and a better experience.

  31. If cinemas had learnt from the online community... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't tell you the number of time's I would have pummeled the 'report to moderator' button on my armrest.

  32. subtleties by Das+Auge · · Score: 1

    He reads, but he does not understand...

    1. Re:subtleties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When people say there was no Terminator 3, they mean "T3 sucked so bad that I'm disavowing its existence."

      Same goes for X-Men 3, Spiderman 3, Matrix 2-3, Indiana Jones 4, Transformers 1, etc.

    2. Re:subtleties by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Hey!
      Transformers the Movie is AWESOME.
      It had a song by Weird Al, Spike said "Oh shit what are we gonna do now?", it had Leonard Nimoy, and it had Orson fucking Welles as motherfucking UNICRON.

      Prime (and every other Autobot worth a damn) fucking DIES. It's EPIC.

      HOLY SHIT IT'S AWESOME.

      They should totally make a sequel.

  33. And back in the real world.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same store sales are down in all the video game retailer. Anyone see Gamestop's stock fall like a brick today after the crap earnings estimates?

  34. best ever? no dude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GTA4 sucks balls, as well as every other of that horrible series.

    Call of Duty 4? Are you serious? It's just the next tiny step in FPS time wasters

    GH3 rules.

    Bioshock was decent, at least what I saw on PS3.

  35. Ok, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what about all the people using netflix and stuff? Don't they count as people?

  36. Take That! Steven Spielberg!! by madpuppy · · Score: 0

    what the hell does he know about Video games or consoles!! :P

  37. End of the wealthy jester by Cathbard · · Score: 1

    Does this spell the end of the era where the court jester makes more money than the king? Oh no, how will we cope? Actors may have to settle for a realistic wage if nobody is willing to shell out big money to watch them dance. It's the end of civilisation as we know it!!!

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  38. Mediocre reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They call this serious stats? Let's pretend for a moment that ALL the people who had gone to the movies had also played video games. Is this really supposed to make us wonder if video games influence movie going?

  39. How much movie tickets cost? by mangu · · Score: 3, Informative

    50 years ago, movie tickets cost $0.15. Applying the consumer price index we find that the price today would be $1.12 if movie ticket prices had gone up in the same average proportion as other prices.

    Considering how much films today depend on special effects, and considering that so many effects are done by computers, one would believe that the cost of producing a movie should be lower than fifty years ago.

    Some people say that "all capitalists are greedy pigs", but obviously some pigs are greedier than others.

    1. Re:How much movie tickets cost? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      If you want to watch low-res analogue black and white mono movies, in non-air-conditionded rooms, I bet you could still get that for $1.12.

      Sorry, but todays movies are and theaters are just way more expensive to do. Even if you remove potential greed.

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    2. Re:How much movie tickets cost? by damaki · · Score: 1

      I guess we have to pay for the increasing cost of the commercials beforce de movies...

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    3. Re:How much movie tickets cost? by damaki · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the typos.
      It was of course "I guess we have to pay for the increasing cost of the commercials before the movies..."

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    4. Re:How much movie tickets cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_did_a_movie_cost_in_1959

      wrong! 51 years ago it was apparently 15 cents. 50 years ago it was a whole dollar! now apply the CPI and it should be about what it is today.

    5. Re:How much movie tickets cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Average_salary_for_a_person_in_1960

      apparently, in 1960 an average person made 16 cents an hour. it's on the internet. they can't possibly be wrong, right??

  40. The statistic is misleading! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    They compare games played to going to a movie.
    I think it would have looked differently, if they had compared them to watching tv (or p2p files) at home...

    But I bet they think that BitTorrent is some new game that people play. :P

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  41. Jobs not available in your neck of the woods by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why would you EVER pay even 25 cents an hour to play video games when you could MAKE 50 cents an hour

    Because it costs tens of thousands of dollars to move your family to Greater Seattle near the video game testing operations.

  42. Re:best ever? no dude. by Schnoogs · · Score: 1

    You have no idea what you're talking about. Call of Duty 4 was named Game of the Year by numerous publications and has proven to be immensely popular amongst gamers. That game is easily one of the greatest shooters of all time.

    Your comments regarding GTA4 come off as trollish and ignorant.

    Bioshock decent? Wow.