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Data Breach Exposes RAF Staff To Blackmail

Yehuda writes "Wired reports, 'Yet another breach of sensitive, unencrypted data is making news in the United Kingdom. This time the breach puts Royal Air Force staff at serious risk of being targeted for blackmail by foreign intelligence services or others. The breach involves audio recordings with high-ranking air force officers who were being interviewed in-depth for a security clearance. In the interviews, the officers disclosed information about extra-marital affairs, drug abuse, visits to prostitutes, medical conditions, criminal convictions and debt histories — information the military needed to determine their security risk. The recordings were stored on three unencrypted hard drives that disappeared last year.'"

153 comments

  1. It's no wonder... by viyh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All the money that their government has goes to buying moats and other fun things for the MPs.

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    1. Re:It's no wonder... by Starayo · · Score: 1

      Oh man, oh man, if I can get a moat, I'm going into politics!

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    2. Re:It's no wonder... by sa1lnr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bad as it is, the amount pales into insignificance when compared to what we have given banks.

      I bet there are a lot of bankers breathing sighs of relief that the focus of the public's ire has switched away from them.

    3. Re:It's no wonder... by siloko · · Score: 1

      Bad as it is, the amount pales into insignificance when compared to what we have given banks.

      I suppose the difference is that we expect bankers to be lieing, theiving cheats but our politicians are at least supposed to have some regard for decent behaviour.

    4. Re:It's no wonder... by noundi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh my god the UK recorded something and it leaked! Who could have ever imagined this possible outcome!?

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    5. Re:It's no wonder... by TheP4st · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose the difference is that we expect bankers to be lieing, theiving cheats but our politicians are at least supposed to have some regard for decent behaviour.

      Yes the politicians are supposed to have decent behaviour but, I for one have yet to meet a single person that expect them to.

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    6. Re:It's no wonder... by SlashWombat · · Score: 0, Troll

      Really, no body expects anyone in the armed services to be as prudent as a politician might be. (Oh, wait a moment ...). Actually if you know many people in the Armed services, they routinely do the things that these people have admitted to on tape. It would have been more surprising if the people involved had claimed any differently. Even priests (eventually) admit to a bit of hanky panky every now and then. (Admittedly, generally with young boys ...)

    7. Re:It's no wonder... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Now, now, that's sensible spending. Although it would be cheaper to just hang them and not dump them in the moat, I'm very much for this practice!

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    8. Re:It's no wonder... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nothing has switched. Actually, people have been steaming angrily here for a while. I'm just waiting for the first to pop and accelerate some metal into a few banker's heads.

      Call me in time for the funeral, I gotta dust off my tapdancing shoes. I wanna dance there! Preferably on the coffin.

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    9. Re:It's no wonder... by x2A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The moat thing was a few grand! And this is a "scandal", is the word thrown about... compare that to other "scandals", such as stuff with stanford, madoff, aig, enron, to name a few off the top of my head... major collapses, hundreds if not thousands of people losing their jobs and/or life savings, and what do we have going on here? "A couple grand to clean my moat please!" *lol* I've never been so proud to be British.

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    10. Re:It's no wonder... by x2A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The focus of the news has certainly switched, and so the focus of the people who are just angry at whatever they're told to be angry about by what's in the news that day has switched...

      But at least we're not all dying of swine flu now.

      I wonder what's going to destroy society next week. One thing's certain - it's either going to be really really scary, or it's gonna make us really really angry! Maybe if we're really lucky, both!

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    11. Re:It's no wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't a dirty moat be more effective as a moat?...

    12. Re:It's no wonder... by drachenstern · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Eh, why not leach off an ac's post-height...

      Did anyone else read the headline and have to pause for a moment to figure out if blackmail was some sort of new email threat?

      My mind went {blackmail->darkmail->email->wtf!?->/facepalm}

      But seriously, blackmail and darkmail are great names for spam....

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    13. Re:It's no wonder... by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not the size of the consequences that matter to people, it's the perceived motive of self-interest. I learned this by living through Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal vs. Clinton's Monica Lewinski scandal. One got off, the other got impeached, and it had nothing to do with the actual consequences.

  2. Mind boggling by AJWM · · Score: 1

    If I didn't know that, alas, such mind boggling stupidity was all too possible, I might think that "losing" these had to be some kind of set-up, and the recordings fake.

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    1. Re:Mind boggling by noundi · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking: fine you wanted to grill them to make sure they weren't up to something fishy. But why record it!? What difference would that make!?

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    2. Re:Mind boggling by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's cheaper to blackmail loyality than to buy it? Duh...

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    3. Re:Mind boggling by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

      *impressed*

      You, sir, could have a bright future in the intelligence services. After all, what better way to ensure that your people are immune from blackmail than to have the other side using false information...

    4. Re:Mind boggling by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After all, what better way to ensure that your people are immune from blackmail than to have the other side using false information...

      It doesn't matter so much whether the information is false or true, what matters is if you have control of the means of communication. Just ask John Kerry about the Swift Boat Veterans. Baseless information can do great damage if you have the power to shout it loudly enough. Meanwhile, BAE systems bribed a Saudi Prince over US$1billion to direct his country to make various arms purchases and when the UK authorities began investigations, our own British government stepped in and order the investigation stopped. Corruption on a massive scale that dropped from the national press like a scab from a leper.

      I think this post further down has one of the most insightful takes on why the information might be gathered. Not that I feel it fully excuses the gathering of the information and certainly doesn't excuse its loss. The RAF officers who gave this information to their employers had a simple choice - tell the truth about their more shameful behaviour or lie to cover it up. They chose wrong.

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  3. Tell me... by orngjce223 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why didn't they just encrypt the disks? If it's supposed to be sensitive information, store it securely!

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    1. Re:Tell me... by canipeal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why didn't they just encrypt the disks? If it's supposed to be sensitive information, store it securely!

      Because that would require common sense and competence.

    2. Re:Tell me... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Oh encryption isn't nearly as good as hiding it in an anal cavity. Even if they find it, they won't want to listen.

    3. Re:Tell me... by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Requires competence. Most non-techies aren't aware that you can encrypt disk drives. They're also not aware that the Windows Password does nothing to protect the data if the device is physically stolen. Lack of common sense isn't really a fair criticism. Lack of competence certainly is.

    4. Re:Tell me... by fluch · · Score: 1

      You must be new to the UK...

    5. Re:Tell me... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It would sound kinda muffled, I guess.

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    6. Re:Tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because if they encrypt it, they could risk Going to Prison?

    7. Re:Tell me... by moogsynth · · Score: 1

      The UK Government loses lots of disks. Many of them are encrypted. Unfortunately, they usually have the password written on a post-it stuck on the drive when it is lost.

    8. Re:Tell me... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      I know you're being funny (although this is the UK government), but if you can write the password on a post-it note, your disk isn't encrypted. Now you can fit the fingerprint of a decent password on a post-it note just fine. ;)

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    9. Re:Tell me... by joss · · Score: 1

      > if you can write the password on a post-it note, your disk isn't encrypted.

      I call BS.. 20 random characters is plenty

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    10. Re:Tell me... by Dr_Ken · · Score: 0

      Because no one thinks that their stuff is ever gonna get lost or stolen. Ever. That happens to other people. Heh. Sad for the RAF blokes though.

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    11. Re:Tell me... by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Bloody git!

      The standard method for data storage in the UK is up your nose, not up your arse.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYLcZznNdvw

    12. Re:Tell me... by moogsynth · · Score: 1
      Err, no, I wasn't being funny. Look at this article:

      While the data on the USB stick was encrypted, the password to access the data was attached to the drive on a Post-it note, a Central Lancashire Primary Care Trust (PCT) spokesperson told ZDNet UK on Monday.

    13. Re:Tell me... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      It does if you use NTFS file encryption in Win2k, XP, Vista, 7.

  4. Since the RAF already knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...doesn't this kind of mute the blackmail angle for the RAF security?

    1. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No. someone can blackmail them by threatening to go public. What it does though is make the staff involved a security risk to the RAF. After all, if they can be blackmailed, they can't be trusted any more.

    2. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      um, just because your boss knows something embarrassing, it doesn't mean your wife, family, whole world needs to know.

      On the other hand, if your boss has special forces, it could work to your advantage...

      Idiot: "Sir, you know that midget fetish I spoke about during the security interview?"

      Chief Idiot: "Yes? I really quite enjoyed that bit. Quite naughty!"

      Idiot: "Well, there are some chaps who think they can hold it over me, for a few quid, per week... not tell the missus, and all."

      Chief Idiot: "Oh, well, that's not right, I'll send some SAS over there ASAP and they won't be a problem anymore."

    3. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by compro01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sounds like a convenient way to legally fire or reassign someone.

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    4. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just because their bosses already know doesn't mean their wives did.

    5. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually the whole point about these interviews is to screen out people who are susceptible to blackmail. If you had an extra-marital affair and your wife doesn't know, then you either tell your wife or you don't get security clearance.

    6. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by NNKK · · Score: 1

      Or even if their wives know, maybe their children don't.

      And it's not just intra-family issues. For example, would you want a future employer to know if you had a past drug problem? Maybe you want to run for political office one day; details of visits to prostitutes might be of extreme interest to the media.

    7. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, while funny in the way parent wrote it, that's the whole point. If the RAF already knows what people could try to blackmail you with, it gives both you and them additional options. For them, it means they can decide that you may better not be trusted with some information. For you it means going to them and putting the cards on the table when you are being blackmailed is easier, since they already know the dirt anyways. Then you can work with them to find a way out, like providing the blackmailers with false information, or simply taking care of them.

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    8. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by fluch · · Score: 1

      Also you seem to be new to the UK... ;-)

    9. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spot on. the information provided by the people requesting a security clearance would be used to evaluate whether someone is susceptible to blackmail *assuming someone else knows about that info*. consequently, if one was susceptible to blackmail the clearance should not have been granted in the first place.

    10. Re:Since the RAF already knows... by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      SO the assumption to be made is that all the real security risk RAF have been dropped already (or cleared up their issues)... anyone else listed in this is no longer a risk.

      Unfortunately those who were let go as a risk may still in fact have valuable intell, so some bad guy could potentially find an ex-RAF guy and put the squeeze on him to get said intell... still a problem.

      Additionally, people who have problems like gambling, addictions, etc. may give them up long enough to get clearance but will often fall back off the wagon later - so could be a good bet to put under surveillance to see if there are new problems they have which can be exploited.

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  5. I Like this ! by AftanGustur · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Slashdot is missing a "like" button ..

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  6. Mr. Bean, Ministry of Defence Internet Security by leftie · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Ummm..."

    1. Re:Mr. Bean, Ministry of Defence Internet Security by legallyillegal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess this is what happens when you put a teddy bear in charge of implementing security protocols.

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    2. Re:Mr. Bean, Ministry of Defence Internet Security by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess this is what happens when you put a teddy bear in charge of implementing security protocols.

      I dunno, I thought the "Do *not* leave at the pub" stickers on the drives were a brilliant idea.
      Well, back to the drawing board.

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  7. I feel MUCH safer now! by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These are the same idiots who are putting surveillance cameras everywhere, fingerprinting and taking DNA samples from musicians who are simply visiting the UK to play in a few clubs (then denying them entrance because the clubs hadn't paid a fee and agreed to report on them), and generally acting like fascists.

    They're great at grabbing reams of private information they would have no right to if Britain were still a free society. Protecting it from unauthorized access? Not so much.

    Goddamn wankers!

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    1. Re:I feel MUCH safer now! by BlackSabbath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. I find it ironic that a nation that increasingly acts as if every citizen were a potential enemy of the state, is so free with information that could aid real enemies of the state.

      I do so wish George Orwell were alive to see the UK now.

    2. Re:I feel MUCH safer now! by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He didn't need to. He was writing about the UK 60 years ago.

      Now he'd just kill himself.

    3. Re:I feel MUCH safer now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. I find it ironic that a nation that increasingly acts as if every citizen were a potential enemy of the state, is so free with information that could aid real enemies of the state.

      I do so wish George Orwell were alive to see the UK now.

      MOD previous post up

      Thank god I am not in the UK you get the impression that the government thinks average joe/jane citizen is a criminal.

      They even have assassination squads in the London police force.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kratos

    4. Re:I feel MUCH safer now! by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I do so wish George Orwell were alive to see the UK now.

      It's probably just as well he isn't, the shock would kill him.

    5. Re:I feel MUCH safer now! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      He'd probably shoot himself. His parting note would say "Doesn't anyone READ anymore?"

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    6. Re:I feel MUCH safer now! by x2A · · Score: 1

      The RAF did that?!! Huh... I thought that was the home office.

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  8. Oh, the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably the reason they want to know about hos and dope is to assess their vulnerability to blackmail in the first place.

  9. Damned if you do... by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the officers disclosed information about extra-marital affairs, drug abuse, visits to prostitutes, medical conditions, criminal convictions and debt histories -- information the military needed to determine their security risk

    If yes to any of the above do you want these as officers? Even the extra-marital affairs in most circumstances provide proof that the person is capable of disloyalty.

    The real problem is if they have done any of this and don't admit to it, they're disloyal, liars that shouldn't be given clearance. If they do admit it, they're too stupid to be in a position of authority. The only way time you want to ask these questions is if you know the answer in advance and the answer is "squeaky clean".

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    1. Re:Damned if you do... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How sick would a person have to be to be incapable of disloyalty?

    2. Re:Damned if you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they rule out every officer who's ever cheated on their wife, screwed a hooker or gotten stoned... there'd be no candidates left :-P Hell, two out of those three are pretty much standard issue for the military.

      Plus, remember that most of these guys got to where they were on qualifications (save a few from nepotism). Can this person lead soldiers (well, pilots, but the point stands), can they give orders, obey orders, and maintain their calm under adverse conditions? If they can, they're qualified (and sorely needed). If they also happen to be an unfaithful indebted crazy coke-headed john, oh well.

    3. Re:Damned if you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the officers disclosed information about extra-marital affairs, drug abuse, visits to prostitutes, medical conditions, criminal convictions and debt histories -- information the military needed to determine their security risk

      If yes to any of the above do you want these as officers? Even the extra-marital affairs in most circumstances provide proof that the person is capable of disloyalty.

      The real problem is if they have done any of this and don't admit to it, they're disloyal, liars that shouldn't be given clearance. If they do admit it, they're too stupid to be in a position of authority. The only way time you want to ask these questions is if you know the answer in advance and the answer is "squeaky clean".

      Generally these questions are not asked with the sole purpose of ascertaining a candidates moral or ethical standards, but more to determine their risk of being compromised by an adversary (read - blackmailed, etc).

      For example, someone who has had marital affairs or has high debt have an avenue that an adversary can take to coerce the candidate to divulge sensitive information.

      So really, I don't think it comes down to a question of loyalty.

    4. Re:Damned if you do... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Interesting


      A lot of the people hiring will have indulged in all these behaviours and wont condemn someone for them. Rather it will make them part of the club. Use of prostitutes in the armed forces? Goodness - that could never happen! With some groups, the person who never touched drugs, doesn't pick up prostitutes is the one that makes everyone else uncomfortable. In Bosnia, the private military firm DynCorp was actually buying girls as forced prostitutes (and I do mean girls - some were fifteen. And this were US soldiers). Related, its one of the reasons women face a 'glass ceiling' in some areas, such as the upper military, high finance, etc. It's because the wealthy / powerful men who are accustomed to doing as they please feel uncomfortable saying: "hey lets all do some lines and pick up some hookers" when someone from "the other side" is amongst them.

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    5. Re:Damned if you do... by LaskoVortex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If yes to any of the above do you want these as officers?

      If you threw out everyone who has ever done that one "immoral" thing, you'd have no one left. Everyone makes mistakes. Its even in the bible somewhere--a story about throwing stones (disclaimer: never read the bible). These are officers of a military. They are trained to kill people. Measure the morality of their actions against that fact and you'll find that indulging in something like and extramarital affair is minor by comparison. My only surprise is here is the lack of encryption.

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    6. Re:Damned if you do... by LaskoVortex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How sick would a person have to be to be incapable of disloyalty?

      This is a good question. This is also known as asking the wrong question. Please turn in your security credentials now and report to the Division of Thought Alignment for an adjustment.

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    7. Re:Damned if you do... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2


      I'd better correct myself before someone else does. I referred to the employees of DynCorp as "US soldiers". Whilst there are plenty of incidents of misbehaviour on the part of any nation's soldiers (it's that odd double standard that is expected of people who are paid to kill, but not to beat people up or hurt women), the employees of DynCorp were not soldiers but service personnel, e.g. mechanics on helicopters (bad ones, apparently). Unfortunately they were still protected by the US government's refusal to allow the Bosnian government to prosecute US military forces (so they are de facto, US military) for breaches of Bosnia law while over there, and secondly, by the US governments own refusal to prosecute these people for rape, sex slave trafficking, etc. A very shameful situation.

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    8. Re:Damned if you do... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Everyone is capable of disloyalty.

      However, there's presumably no correlation between disloyalty to ones spouse and disloyalty to ones nation. Otherwise someone would have spotted it.

    9. Re:Damned if you do... by Tom · · Score: 1

      If yes to any of the above do you want these as officers?

      Yes.

      In fact, I would be very suspicious of anyone who claims to have a spot-perfect past with no youthful sins, stupid mistakes or questionable acts at all.

      Now I might have my doubts about someone who has both an affair and goes to prostitutes, while being on drugs all the time thanks to all his contacts from his multiple convictions.

      Interestingly, all the /. crowd worries about is the amoral parts. For a blackmailing, a medical condition might be a whole lot more dangerous, depending on what it is.

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    10. Re:Damned if you do... by rich_r · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think you'll find that the DV (developed vetting) process doesn't expect people to be angels. And that is how it should be. It expects the applicant to be honest with the people who need to know and allows them to build a bigger picture of anyrisk you may pose.

      An affair doesn't make an officer inherently disloyal to everyone, that's far to simplistic a view to take. If there's a pattern of behaviour, then that is a different matter. Same with finances. If your forever dipping into an overdraft or are mortgaged up the wazoo, then you pose a different risk to someone who's had bad credit in the past but is now exemplary.

      The problem is that this system relies on people being able to hand over this information in confidence. If people realise that this is no longer secure, then that vetting scheme is fundamentally broken.

    11. Re:Damned if you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If yes to any of the above do you want these as officers? Even the extra-marital affairs in most circumstances provide proof that the person is capable of disloyalty

      incorrect. The DV clearance (which does a thorough check of ones past and present) does not check for loyalty, it checks for trustability. The clearance system is not a moral judge - if you happen to wear frilly knickers and answer to the name "Joan the slag" at the weekends - that is up to you - so long as you could not be bribed, coerced or blackmailed based on that information about your personal life.

      Stuff came out in my DV interviews about the number of girlfriends I had at that time (clearly not a regular on slashdot) and my view was that I couldn't give a fuck about it. They seemed to like that. The subject of what was in my Pr0n collection made for interesting conversation although, I clocked an interviewers notes and he had written 'normal' in that column. that pissed me off.

      In my interview, they asked me about my political persuasions - I said I'd hang all the MP's from the nearest bridge if I had half a chance. They liked that as well.

    12. Re:Damned if you do... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Depends on the use. At the end of special forces training, the wash outs might get to write an essay about themselves.
      This time the readers will be looking for inner 'killer'.
      Show just the right combination of hate, rage and greed, out might get you into 'other' work.
      Most forces are looking for info about classic blackmail.
      The handing out of equipment of the back of a truck to the IRA, selling to the Soviets over 30 years.
      All because you like children.
      In reality entrapment is hard work, walk ins are better.
      Security tests do show a variety of the more clandestine services your past and skill set.
      They know your fit, smart and can kill, but could you run a death squad?
      Then be trusted never to talk about it?
      You might get tapped to join 'something' one day.
      A charming person who pays for sex or likes to gamble would be fit into any large city.

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    13. Re:Damned if you do... by gedhrel · · Score: 1

      The point of this is that the security vetting process is intended to air anything that you might be embarrassed about with the vetters (and by extension the state machinery). If they already know, (and you'd be surprised how much they _do_ know by the time the interviews actually happen) and you know they know, the idea is that the information can't be used to blackmail you. For most low-level security clearances the only way you fail is by omitting stuff.

    14. Re:Damned if you do... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Yes, perhaps not as immoral as killing, but it is "Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and a Gentleman", which is perhaps worse.

    15. Re:Damned if you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

      Probably the single most ignored line from the Bible. Ignored, or interpreted as an incentive to try and be totally sinless so that you can castigate gays.

    16. Re:Damned if you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The most important part of that quote is that Jesus, the only one there who was without sin (according to other canon or general interpretation or both) and therefore qualified to start the stoning, chose not to throw a stone. Those who interpret the passage as an incentive to be sinless in order to be just in retribution for sins perceived or actual have grossly perverted the message and the intent of the one they claim to follow.

    17. Re:Damned if you do... by SpecBear · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily sick. Just sufficiently motivated.

    18. Re:Damned if you do... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "If yes to any of the above do you want these as officers? Even the extra-marital affairs in most circumstances provide proof that the person is capable of disloyalty."

      Here's the old school Cold War G.I. answer to that one, and I miss those days very much!

      "Pussy doesn't count, country does. Real soldiers are often hard-partying fornicators and the public which they protect should mind its own fucking business. If we fight for our country it shouldn't matter if we spend our free time in orgies with LBFMs and getting shitfaced drunk, or living like warrior monks, or crocheting doilies if that's our fancy. We have all kinds in the military, and so long as we fight well, kindly piss off."

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      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  10. Yes, let's titillate the public with this by gringofrijolero · · Score: 1

    So they won't notice the drugs and hookers passing through the Lords. Which I'm sure is of much higher quality. And a far bigger turn on to read about. Oooooo, the excitement already has me "standing for the Queen".

    --
    Todos mis movimientos están friamente calculados
  11. An information society by jasonmanley · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems to me that many organisations would consider payroll, health and other HR info as private and hence restrict access to it on the network, but they wouldn't consider encrypting it with a passowrd - well at least nowhere where I have worked.
    And perhaps military institutions consider attack plans, weapons secrets and such as worthy of protection but not an "inteview" that we did "ourselves", "inhouse".
    We are learning more and more that this is a connected world - yes even your fridge will have an IP address and be on the net one day mark my words and EVERYTHING will need to be encrypted. Encryption grammar and other security verbiage will be second hand speak for moms and kids ...
    "have you packed your lunch"
    "Yes mom"
    "And MD5 SSL'd your homework via the kerebos LDAP certificate server? You know what happened last time when Mr Jones found your SSH key unencoded on the SELinux partition - I don't want to go through that again"
    "Arghh yes mom I have been over this 1000 times with you let it go - my friends and I were scanning photons of the prom dance when James accidentally Bluetoothed a letter from his brother in the army to Amy's communication jewellery which had a compaible 3DES encrytpion algorithm - now will you let it go!? Shees!"
    "I'm just saying is all - I have to go and buy some groceries and when I scan my embedded subcutaneous barcode it better not say that I have been SQL Injected because of a bad CRC checksum - I won't be embarrassed like I was the last time"

    --
    http://projectleader.wordpress.com
    1. Re:An information society by shentino · · Score: 1

      And that's if we're lucky.

      I would rather have that then have a government mandated infrastructure that everything has to go through.

      Let's get quantum cryptography and hope to high heaven it doesn't get outlawed.

  12. Slashdot is not Facebook! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    (n/t)

    1. Re:Slashdot is not Facebook! by yo303 · · Score: 1

      Great work! It's awesome how you just TOTALLY NAILED that clueless poster like that, with a UID approximately one hundredth of yours.

    2. Re:Slashdot is not Facebook! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up. UID means nothing.

  13. please explain by Swampash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone wanna explain to me how drug-using hooker-banging ex-cons are OFFICERS IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE?

    1. Re:please explain by lindseyp · · Score: 1

      I can't explain that. That was my first thought. Having been subjected to a lenghty and in-depth security screening many years ago, I was under the impression that many of those things would be insta-fail, especially if you wanted them kept secret and were therefore blackmailable.

      --
      j'ai découvert une démonstration vraiment admirable (de ce théorème général) que cette si
    2. Re:please explain by bloobloo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Drug using: As long as it isn't in the last year, it isn't an instant fail

      Hooker-banging: Not a crime

      Ex-cons: In the UK, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act means that after a certain period of time a conviction can be considered "spent"

    3. Re:please explain by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a limit. I.e., if you're the sort of person best described as a "drug-using hooker-banging ex-con" and that's it, you're not getting in. But if you're basically an upstanding citizen who in your younger days smoked a joint or two, visited a prostitute once or twice, or got caught shoplifting some low-value item, it would be stupid for the service to reject you on that basis alone. (Actually, as far as the prostitution bit goes, fighter jocks and hookers go together like ducks and water.)

      --
      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    4. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone wanna explain to me how drug-using hooker-banging ex-cons are OFFICERS IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE?

      emphasis added...

    5. Re:please explain by daBass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do so many folks expect the people we hire for our dirtiest jobs (like thermo-nuclear incineration of entire nations) to be do-no-harm nice guys?

      At best you are going to get people who act like the majority of the society they represent.

    6. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are known as the Brylcreem Boys for a reason, you know!

    7. Re:please explain by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Ex-cons: In the UK, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act means that after a certain period of time a conviction can be considered "spent"

      I'm sure that doesn't cover high ranking government jobs.

      But the armed forces do have a different attitude than other professions. They're really not that concerned about your history, instead being of the opinion that they can mould anyone into shape.

    8. Re:please explain by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're humans just like the rest of us?

      The list mentioned in the summary is probably from the topics/questions asked about. That doesn't mean that everyone of the subjects - or even just one of them - has an affirmative answer in all of them. I suspect the truth is rather boring, with one officer having done some drugs in his youth, a different one having an affair, a third one preferring professionals, several with completely clean sheets, someone with a conviction for some minor (but criminal) stuff done before he joined the force, etc.

      If you have to lay open your entire history - and background checks work like that - then it's very unlikely that you would find enough people with perfectly white shirts in the entire commonwealth to staff even one airforce base.

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
    9. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we are limiting this to hookers, please have a look at the historical conduct of every armed forces of every country in the world throughout the entire history of mankind (not excluding the Vietnam War and Serbia).

    10. Re:please explain by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Can you fix the plane first time?
      Or are you a good boy or girl who sealed a tool in another jet .. again?
      Jet work is expensive. You have 2 options, hire contractors - like the USA does at 3X the pay grade.
      As every other person in uniform escapes the pain on base as soon as they can.
      Or you treat your next generation like members of the human race and they stay.
      Suicide is another 'problem', all that wasted tax payers money.
      Best to be open, keep it all nice and in house. Or you bring in cleared contractors.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    11. Re:please explain by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      Ex-cons: In the UK, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act means that after a certain period of time a conviction can be considered "spent" I'm sure that doesn't cover high ranking government jobs.

      Of course not--that's when you become ineligible.

      --
      Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
      -kfg
    12. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hooker-banging: Not a crime

      I think in many countries, such as the the United States, this actually is a crime... sigh. Drives up the price.

    13. Re:please explain by x2A · · Score: 1

      By being good at their job presumably.

      It's not like they're gonna be using harriers to pick up prostitutes.

      --
      The revolution will not be televised... but it will have a page on Wikipedia
    14. Re:please explain by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but that sounds like a fairly apt description of most Royalty itself. Good enough for the King and all that...

    15. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drug using: As long as it isn't in the last year, it isn't an instant fail

      Hooker-banging: Not a crime

      Ex-cons: In the UK, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act means that after a certain period of time a conviction can be considered "spent"

      I'm thinking that they'd be considered "spent" immediately after the hooker-banging

    16. Re:please explain by belthize · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought too but then I started thinking about it. I've been interviewed numerous times regarding ex-employees getting civilian security clearances. In general I suspect you're right. A civilian whose background opened them up to black mail is *exactly* the kind of person they're trying to screen out. It may be this kind of screening process is just a formality where officers in the RAF are concerned, i.e. they're assumed to be trustworthy otherwise they couldn't be officers. It's a built in blind spot.

          Granted my experience involved civilians gaining access to nuclear labs in the US, maybe the RAF is just stupid.

    17. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone wanna explain to me how drug-using hooker-banging ex-cons are OFFICERS IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE?

      An officer isn't necessarily a gentleman...

    18. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The royal family always gets in because of their connections.

    19. Re:please explain by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Someone wanna explain to me how drug-using hooker-banging ex-cons are OFFICERS IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE?

      Isn't that a requirement for some posts?

    20. Re:please explain by sjames · · Score: 1

      The same way that drug using politicians and pundits get a pass even though they themselves claim we should lock drug users up and throw away the key.

    21. Re:please explain by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      By being good at their job presumably.

      It's not like they're gonna be using harriers to pick up prostitutes.

      Though if you have a Harrier and the only action you can get is pay-for, you're doing it wrong.

    22. Re:please explain by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      The article didn't make it clear, but this data-loss concerns only people who FAILED the vetting process.

    23. Re:please explain by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that fighter pilots use hookers for much the same reason celebrities do: they're not paying for sex, because they can get that for free; they're paying for her to go away after they're done. And not name them in paternity suits.

    24. Re:please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because if we hire people who -don't- have problems incinerating entire nations and risking their lives to brutally kill some strangers, we might find they develop a taste for it; or worse, start doing it without being ordered to.

    25. Re:please explain by fumblebruschi · · Score: 1

      Heh. My recruiting sergeant phrased it something like this:

      "Yeah, there's this question here about whether you've used drugs. If, you know, you maybe just smoked a couple joints back in high school or something...I'm not telling you to lie...nobody's gonna go looking for that." (Pause) "I'm not telling you to lie." (Meaningful look.)

  14. viral marketing??? by zetabrown · · Score: 5, Funny

    "extra-marital affairs, drug abuse, visits to prostitutes, medical conditions, criminal convictions and debt histories " - sounds like a viral marketing campaign for the RAF if you ask me - who knew that they had so much fun! I suppose the word 'raffish' had to come from somewhere.

    1. Re:viral marketing??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice. Mod parent up.

  15. Looks like goverment works the same across the oce by klawre1221 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good to see the Brits have as bad a security as we do.

  16. UK Government loses all data on everyone by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Annual reports from Whitehall departments show that the government has lost all data it ever held on anyone.

    Losses have occurred through couriered unencrypted disks, misplaced memory sticks, lost laptops, briefcases left on trains and files falling down the side of the tea machine. "The real scandal is that a train was running for them to lose a case on," said a source whose name has been lost.

    Treasury minister Jane Kennedy said the HM Revenue and Customs breaches did not necessarily result in data losses, or at least any that they have records of. HMRC said it takes data losses and security breaches "very seriously" and thoroughly investigates any breach that it does not lose track of.

    Information Commissioner Richard Thomas has served enforcement notices on various departments for their data losses, but the departments in question could not find their office addresses to accept the notices. They noted, however, that Mr Thomas' call was very important to them, and that he had been placed in a queue.

    Home Secretary Jacqui Smith reassured citizens that plans for an all-encompassing ID card linked to biometric passports and a universal medical record with the NHS would not change because of these losses. "We won't even be thinking about them."

    --
    http://rocknerd.co.uk
  17. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone important in the UK not been exposed in the tabloids?

  18. Disappeared == data breach? by daBass · · Score: 1

    How did we go from "three unencrypted hard drives that disappeared" to it being a "data breach"?

    Yes, they should have been encrypted and yes, they should not have disappeared. For all we know some idiot stole them reformatted them and now hold their pr0n collection at home. Or the wrong ones were picked up for destruction and they have actually been securely destroyed.

    Really, the media and everyone here is getting their panties all in a twist and coming up with fantastical hypothetical situation when the most likely scenario is nothing bad will come from this as it rarely does.

    1. Re:Disappeared == data breach? by N1AK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, the media and everyone here is getting their panties all in a twist and coming up with fantastical hypothetical situation when the most likely scenario is nothing bad will come from this as it rarely does.

      Because with information of sufficient importance the very fact we don't have an exhaustive audit trail would be worrying (someone may of gotten access). The fact that we don't even know where it is? That, is scary. Not only is the risk that this data still exists, meaning that either careers will be ruined or national security will be endangered. But additionally it is a further reminder of how incompetent government can be with obviously important data.

      Although you may find the strength of feeling some people have regarding this breech to be unfounded, I expect I am not alone in finding your opinion that nothing bad will happen because "it rarely does" incredibly naive.

    2. Re:Disappeared == data breach? by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      Really, the media and everyone here is getting their panties all in a twist and coming up with fantastical hypothetical situation when the most likely scenario is nothing bad will come from this as it rarely does.

      So, since something bad rarely happens from situations like these, lets skip encryption all together on sensitive data?
      Or, maybe it would be a good idea to prepare for the worst, and then be able to say "Sure we fucked up and lost these hard drives but they are heavily encrypted thus minimizing the chance for the actual information ever ending up in the wrong hands .

      --
      "I have downloaded hundreds and hundreds of records, why would I care if somebody downloads ours?" Robin Pecknold
    3. Re:Disappeared == data breach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and they have actually been securely destroyed.

      I work at a HDD manufacturer, and we did a study a while ago. We were given some HDDs that were returned on warrenty, they had been 'securely destroyed', that is they had been degaussed by a professional data-whiping company. We found that about 25% of them had at least some readable files remaining on them. Thus even if they had been 'securely destroyed' there might still be reason to worry.

      This is one of the reasons we decided to go for hardware encryption onboard the HDD itself. Once the power is turned off, it is unusable unless you know the password (or can guess the encryption key, but that is likely even harder). Oh, and there is a way to do a cryptographic erase that simply changes the encryption key thus removing the password entrypoint (guessing the key after opening the drive and reading it with your own hardware might still be possible, if you had your own cleanroom and a supercomputer to apply to hacking the encoding).

    4. Re:Disappeared == data breach? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's in the nature of security that if you no longer know where it is or who might see it that it cannot be considered secured anymore. If it is not secured, it is breached. Later, if they find the drives and can somehow PROVE beyond doubt that nobody ever looked at the data on it before wiping it out for their pr0n collection, they can declare it destroyed rather than breached, but good luck with that.

      Put another way, strategically, if data has been outside of your control for any length of time, you can no longer assume than an adversary does not have a copy. What you HOPE doesn't matter in these situations, it's what you can be certain of that matters.

    5. Re:Disappeared == data breach? by AJWM · · Score: 1

      How did we go from "three unencrypted hard drives that disappeared" to it being a "data breach"?

      Because security isn't about probabilities, it's about capabilities. If you don't know where the drives went, you have to assume worst case.

      --
      -- Alastair
  19. Old story? by jonnyt886 · · Score: 1

    This was in BBC news at the beginning of the week! Come on, Slashdot!

  20. Open Government by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess the British government is now following the principle of "information wants to be free". :P

    1. Re:Open Government by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its called a distraction. See how the MP pay thing erupted and now this?
      Somebody wants the press and media distracted from something.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  21. That's quite simple, actually. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Someone wanna explain to me how drug-using hooker-banging ex-cons are OFFICERS IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE?

    Well, they can't all go into politics.

  22. When were we a free society? by fantomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "They're great at grabbing reams of private information they would have no right to if Britain were still a free society."

    When were we ever a free society? When has any country been "free"? I suppose there's a philosophical discussion to be had here but I get the sense that

    • a: we might be as free now as we've ever been and
    • b: this is close to a conversation about a mythical golden age that never was (I like the definition that golden ages are invariably the belief that things were better two generations ago)...

    Interested to hear when you think the UK was a 'free' society. It would have to probably be after 1928 - universal suffrage, before then women under 28 couldn't vote so they weren't very free. Couldn't be 1939 - 1952 as we had identity cards then. Interested to hear your definition of 'free'.

    cheers.

    1. Re:When were we a free society? by TapeCutter · · Score: 0, Troll

      Excellent post! I agree the "good old days" is nothing more than selective memory from old farts that is parroted by their children. When I was growing up in Australia during the 60's, Aborigines couldn't vote, you could be arrested for displaying a replica of the statue of David, certain books were banned, NEWS was heavily censored, conscription was a GoodThing(TM), gays and abortionists were thrown in jail, unmarried mother's were forced to give up their children at birth, couples "living in sin" were ostracised, etc, etc. The west really is a more humane place to live than it has ever been despite the best efforts of GWB and Howard to drag us back to the 1950's.

      When the UK starts putting cameras inside every home and strapping rats to people faces then I might take the shrill panic of the 1984 crowd a bit more seriously.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    2. Re:When were we a free society? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We gained more and more freedoms over time. Looking back, we certainly enjoy more freedoms today than we did a hundred years ago, at least in Europe. Most of mainland Europe was ruled by autocratic kings and emperors who restricted the exchange of ideas and discussions, criticising the government was often close to high treason. We sure came a long road from this.

      When you look at it with a finer grained system, you'll notice, though, that liberties are in decline, though, and have been since the 1960s, at least in my perspective. It's been especially rough in the last ten or so years, when people all over the world could easily communicate with each other and exchange ideas much more easily and rapidly than ever before. Such things frighten governments and other powerful people. Because it's also never been easier to "spill the beans" and whistleblow.

      Government and industry are quite close to each other these days, and neither wants some of their practices to be smeared all over the planet, for everyone to read. It's never been easier for people to get information into circulation, content is not just music and movies, it's also information and ideas, and they can be spread, multiplied and distributed just as quickly.

      And that's what scares not only the content industry, but everyone who could be threatened by the quick distribution of any kind of information.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    3. Re:When were we a free society? by horza · · Score: 1

      I think the golden age ended when Tony Blair rolled tanks into Heathrow airport in 2003. Combine the detention without trial laws, eborders effectively making all English citizens prisoners in their own country, RIPA (even that is a watered down version of what the government wanted to be a key escrow scheme), data retention laws for ISPs, pressure on ISPs to adopt IWF censorship, copyright laws run wild thanks to the States (eg garage owners sued for mechanics playing music in the back room where customers might be able to hear it), speed cameras being turned from safety devices to profit-making machines, add this to the surveillance cameras, London road cameras tracking every car license plates, the genetic database being built up, the biometric ID cards coming, then throw in the inevitable banking laws that will come in under the auspices of anti laundering and tax evasion but will just give banks the ability to snoop into your personal life...

      Life in the 90s was good. Post-9/11 things went downhill.

      Phillip.

    4. Re:When were we a free society? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      When the UK starts putting cameras inside every home and strapping rats to people faces then I might take the shrill panic of the 1984 crowd a bit more seriously.

      If this happens, then it's too late to start panicking. The point is to make sure that this doesn't happen, not to be prepared to panic when it does. I came across a quote the other day which said 'mediocre men compare their achievements to those of others, great men compare their achievements to their goals'. This applies to societies too. We shouldn't be comparing our level of freedom to before universal suffrage, to feudal times, or to current theocracies, we should be comparing it to our ideals.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    5. Re:When were we a free society? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I agree that vigilance is important but the hyperbole gets monotonous and loses all meaning when there is a serious breach in our "ideals".

      "Great men" also stand on the shoulders of giants, I disagree that we should avoid making historical comparisons, to do so risks repeating past mistakes. A good example is the current economic hassles and the desire not to repeat the mistake of the 1930's where governments sat on their hands for 4yrs and watched the international economy implode.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  23. You want to read up about our nobility by fantomas · · Score: 1

    You want to read some history books (and sometimes even the newspapers) about what our nobility and occasionally royalty have got up to over the years.

  24. consequence by anonieuweling · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All Royal Air Force staff involved can thus forget about any clearance at all since they can be blackmailed.
    I guess the military should compensate said personnel for loss of career possibilities and of course improve their data protection/storage/etc policies.

  25. SC by legirons · · Score: 1

    ah, the good old "tell us everything that would be useful for blackmailing you and we'll write it all down" method that RAF use for doing security-clearance... just trust us with all your embarassing secrets - what could possibly go wrong?

  26. only one way to keep data secure by cosanostradamus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .
    Keep it in your head. There is no such thing as absolute security, therefore there is no such thing as security. If you don't want to share something, don't share it with anybody.
    .

  27. late news...? by thredder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So losing sensitive data "last year" is only being reported now as a problem!?

    I hope that between losing the material and reporting it (several months later), some action has already been taken to minimise the potential for blackmail. ...or were they waiting a certain length of time to see if it turned up somewhere or was posted back to them before panicking.

    (I would say that I hope action has already been taken to prevent this from happening again, but I'm not that naive)

  28. This is how it is done with highly secretive tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked for a while in this area. If you want to get rid of a failing, and very expensive, defence project, the best way to do it is to have an 'accidental' security stuff up. That way you can ditch the failed program under the guise of 'national security' rather than incompetence, mismanagement, and the various other real reasons for project failures. This also means the project managers usually get off from being completely incompetent. Rather than have a failed project, they have a security breach, which is often investigated and forgotten about with a slap on the back and a guffaw (especially if the member is a part of the boys club).

    It wouldn't surprise me if the stuff up was part of some Machiavellian back room defence politics. The old canard that civilians (especially on /.) state about choosing incompetence over conspiracy can be thrown out the window when it comes to national security and defence. Many of these individuals realize they have a system that can be exploited for their own personal gain if needed.

  29. Reasons to refuse vetting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3 basic problems with in depth vetting:

    1 - someone else gets to know your secrets. Yes, it's to establish which they have to watch to make sure you're not blackmailed, but there's in principle nothing to stop the abuse of that internally. I would have said "ethics" earlier, but you can call me either a realist or a cynic now..

    2 - deficient security. As long as a whole government can get away with frankly shameful failures of confidentiality (unsurprising as it is for a setup that depends on spin and leaks to test and influence public opinion) there is nil incentive to do it right. Or, put another way, "good enough" isn't.

    3 - you end on a neat, handy short list of people who may know interesting stuff. Translated: the issue (2) above results in you and your family having a target painted on your back, either as someone worth torturing for info or for killing in grotesquely painful ways.

    However, be aware that those who ask very much think it's an honor to offer it (to be fair, it's quite a vote of trust), so expect them to be SERIOUSLY pissed off with you for saying "no", but the basic question is not if they trust *you*.

    With "them" being an ever changing variable, the question is if you can trust *them*.

  30. RIPA, DV and Protectively Marked assets by Hazelesque · · Score: 2, Informative

    This has nothing to do with the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act. If some ne'er-do-well has stolen the hard drive, RIPA is not going to entitle them to the key to decrypt it, nor does it make encrypting it in the first place illegal! CESG ( http://www.cesg.gov.uk/ ) assesses a wide variety of cryptographic products as to their suitability for handling protectiveloy marked information, and some of these are restricted to HMG use only!

    The paper forms for Developed Vetting themselves are marked "RESTRICTED STAFF (when completed)". See http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/spf/faqs.aspx for information about protectively marked assets, and the DV forms themselves at http://www.hmgcc.gov.uk/clearance.aspx.

  31. So what... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Please, if they have an ounce of backbone, they will tell them....
    "so what....what's new with this, look at our prince William, hell, if you haven't rung him out to dry, why start now?"

  32. It makes ya proud really by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    The government efficiently collects all the data possible, assembles it together, and leaves it sitting around where outsiders can steal it. It sure reduces the workload for the criminals!! Hey, crooks have rights too!!

    Seriously - every one of these big brother data collection efforts is a sign that the politicos have their heads up their arses. It doesn't do the good guys any good, and it does the criminals no harm.

    --
    "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
  33. The real question is... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

    The real question is, do any of these recordings detail the rampant cannibalism that continues to plague the RAF?

    Yours etc.
    Captain B.J. Smethwick in a white wine sauce with shallots, mushrooms and garlic.

    --
    There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
  34. Thought Flow by BigBlueOx · · Score: 1

    the officers disclosed information about extra-marital affairs, drug abuse, visits to prostitutes, medical conditions, criminal convictions and debt histories

    First: So the RAF works just like Scientology?

    Second: Hey! If Scientology can keep all *their* blackmail info secure, why can't the RAF?

    Third: Maybe the RAF should hire Scientologists to secure their data

    Fourth: Kate Beckinsale in Underworld.

    Fifth: REDACTED CLASSIFIED

  35. 90s? Criminal Justice Act and Poll Tax... by fantomas · · Score: 1

    The 1990s - well, as long as you didn't mind that the Criminal Justic Act (1994) came into being. This made it legal for the police powers to stop and search, without any reason, any vehicle or person, and keep DNA from anybody arrested. No right to public demonstrations any more. No right to public gatherings above ten people if the police suspect they are going to go to a party. No right for more than two people to gather together if the police suspect they might organise a party.

    Don't forget the Community Charge aka the Poll Tax either.

  36. Re:Looks like goverment works the same across the by Spatial · · Score: 1

    You see it went like this:

    They've got this vital data to back up, they want to do it right so they search the Internet for solutions. They come across this guy, Linus Torvalds, sounds like a stand up old chap. They follow his advice, but they don't know what an FTP server is; it's got "serve" in it so they logically assume it's a pub. They then proceed to mirror the data to every pub available and consider themselves "Real Men". Problem solved!

  37. because it's only sensitive *to you* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the information you provide to a government to convince it that you are sufficiently trustworthy to handle *their* secrets is not one of their official secrets (i.e. it's "unclassified") and they won't let you assign a security classification to *your* secrets.

  38. location, location, location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doing it in the UK and doing it outside the UK are completely different things.

    I've been interviewed for clearance. If the government knows your secrets, there's a belief that you are less likely to be blackmailed. There is some logic to that. I know that the government knows things about me that my wife and family do not know. It would be embarrassing if they found out. The level of protection I'd pay to prevent them from finding out ... well, that's the question, right?

  39. Blackmail is such an ugly word... by gnarlyhotep · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer extortion. The X makes it sound cool. -Bender

  40. Liability? by Akita24 · · Score: 1

    Since they didn't protect that information, shouldn't they have to pay off the blackmailers?

  41. No one has talked about the purpose... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    No one has talked about the purpose of these interviews.

    It's unlikely any of the disclosed information could be usable for blackmail in any way.

    The purpose of a government agency obtaining all possible blackmail information about you is to prevent you from being blackmailed with the information under threat of disclosure of said information to your employer (the government agency). The safest answer (for the agency) to such an external threat is the target of the blackmail being able to say "they already know".

    Most likely, the information disclosed will not in fact be usable for blackmail, as the article suggests, if the information was considered to have been mitigated sufficiently for the clearance to have been granted. If the information was not mitigated, then there would not have been a clearance issues; in that case, it might be a problem for the officer in question, but it won't impact their ability to do the job for which they were cleared to do.

    For example, if an officer engaged in an extramarital affair, but had disclosed that information to his wife, then the information could not be used as blackmail fodder in an attempt to coerce the officer to not perform their assigned duty. If the information was not disclosed to his wife, then the officer would probably have been denied a clearance, and could face restrictions on their military duty, up to and including discharge from the military, to prevent that information being used to cause the officer to act as the attacker/enemy wanted during a conflict situation.

    It might be a problem unrelated to any national security concerns for the officer who disclosed unmitigated information, but it's actually unlikely that the information would not be disclosed unless it was apriori mitigated (unless the officer was "plain stupid").

    The US criteria for denial and mitigation for reasons of denial is:

            http://www.smdc.army.mil/adr/adjguid/adjguidF.htm

    and I can't believe that the RAF criteria would be very different.

    -- Terry

  42. So now tell me... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    "It does if you use NTFS file encryption in Win2k, XP, Vista, 7."

    Is that on by default? Or does turning it on require competence?

    -- Terry

    1. Re:So now tell me... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      No competence required. It's in the file properties dialog. It's as easy as setting read-only, it's in the "advanced" properties.

      If one encrypts a directory, any file saved in the directory will be encrypted.

  43. Why the hell would they even store this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? This kind of blackmail-worth information is just begging to be leaked, lost, abused, stolen, accessed or subject to salacious gossip. Given the eventual likelihood that this kind of recording could be leaked or lost, and the potential damage to the personal lives of individuals admitting to their transgressions IN THEIR OWN VOICE on a tape, what idiot thought it should be stored?

    `Because we could' is no excuse. If data doesn't exist, it can't be stolen, lost, leaked, or used for blackmail. Now the RAF has to deal with the potential of blackmail, and the loss of trust. Who is going to be as open about their secrets, secrets that the RAF needs to know in order to maintain their security, when each interviewee knows that a full voice recording could be kept, and might be played on the six PM news. And the golden turd is awarded for trying to cover it up, even from their own superiors.

    The only information that cannot be lost is that which has been destroyed.