Sorry but, Chrome is a better browser at been promoted by Google. It's not that it is a better browser. Chrome has Google's fortune behind. Chrome is everywhere, ads in YouTube, bundle with other software, TV commercials, etc...
Firefox, or even Opera don't stand a chance if they don't invest in proper promotion. The promotional aspect of Firefox/Opera is what keeping then behind.
That's hard to do when people bitch and moan that the blue "e" is missing from the computer and then fidget whenever you open Firewhatever before they just ask you to just the "e" back in the upper left corner.
I'll tell then that the blue e changed their logo to the fox in the glove, or the red O, or the blue compass, or the Simon said game logo! lol;-)
My favorite news site always been/. because the attention it gives to stories and the research. It's a 100% better than the juvenile digg and the like.
I miss the days when Yahoo had a silver background and not too many images. It was made with plain old HTML for faster loading and was more useful. Yahoo, like other so call Web 2.0 sites are a mess of excessive javascript and proprietary browser plugins like flash.
I'm not 100% against AJAX or Flash, it's the over use of it on situations that it's not requiered.
Yahoo need to keep their front and news page free of these requirements. If they want to change their look to myspace or facebook they should do it on their other pages.
No wonder they want to keep it hidden. No doctype! I'd be ashamed too.
http://www.cybertriallawyer.com/user-agreement
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I think what the grandparent there meant was, "we need standards that browsers other than Opera and Safari actually follow."
Agree. There are plenty of capable browsers out there been exclude because sites are only coded for the proprietary ways of the most used browsers. That is Firefox, Opera, IE, and now Safari.
On the Mac side alone there are plenty of good browsers like iCab, Shiira, OmniWeb, etc, that are very capable of using those sites.
If web masters make certain that their pages are validated to the standards, the responsibility then will shift to the browser programmers. This will be better than dealing with the stupid browser requirement of sites like Yahoo, the new Hotmail, etc.
While this is offtopic, I don't see where else to post what the parent said. I agree that the new interface need work. It is too slow and some things don't look right.
I think the all-minified.js script is too brutal for some browsers to load. It will also be a good idea to validate the site. That'll take care of the typical problems.
I just hope that/. doesn't become like Google about validation.
Use another browser. Nobody's forcing anyone to choose only between FFx and IE. It could as well be Konqueror, Epiphany, Dillo, Lynx, Links{,2}, Elinks, Safari, Galeon, Camino, K-Meleon, Opera... And if one browser is getting too bloated, just fork it, or use older version, or tweak it, damn, you have *choice*!
This is exactly what I say about people complaining about Firefox's speed on Mac. If Firefox doesn't do what you want, switch to: Safari, iCab, Camino, Opera, OmniWeb, or any other fine browser.
Even try Internet Explorer 5.x that is obsolete, but still been used on older systems and still been supported in some places, believe it or not!
I don't know if I'd go that far. OSX isn't 100% immune - it just has more common sense.
Even OSX older brother OS9 had more common sense in his days!
The classic Mac OS was never cracked. It was very secure because it has no telnet built into it or ports open.
Heck! If I have to run a server, and I have a couple of Windows machines and Classic Mac OS, I'll rather run it on the classic Mac OS than any Windows. Which I have done in the past!
I don't understand what is the big deal with burning your music with iTunes. At least you can burn the acc files and get rid of the DRM. You lose some quality, but it bits the alternatives like wma or wmv. Those are more evil formats.
Burning to a CD is a lot easier than trying to crack a wma file. Heck, even with old Mac OS you can burn CDs with iTunes Helper http://www.ituneshelper.uni.cc/ and get rid of that stupid DRM nonsense
The left side panel, the one with the menu list, keeps crashing my browser on my old computer. The only way I was able to get some stability was by setting Slashdot to "Low Bandwidth" on the home page preferences.
Slashdot should give an option to keep the old design for those that want it. The site was more stable with the old design, and use to load faster.
I use iCab on Mac OS 9. It isn't as powerful as Firefox or Opera but it is the best thing I have found for this legacy OS.
Although iCab can't support CSS well, at least tries to comply with HTML standards.
The closes I can get to Firefox is the Mozilla 1.3.1 (WaMCom) browser. But that browser is very buggy and slow on my Mac. The Opera 6.03 is too buggy to use too.
I still use the original (Fat Mac) Mac 512K with two 400k floppy drives! It talks with my other Macs through AppleTalk, and it is running System 3.3 for OS.:-)
I made a disk image with all the classic applications from that era, that it is mounted on another Mac for easy access through AppleTalk. So I don't really have to change/swap disks. Just one disk for booting!
I still use it to play classic games and read old text, MacWrite, MacPaint documents, etc.:-)
You could search the desktop all the way back to System 3 (Mac OS 3), and probably even System 1 (Mac OS 1).
There was a Desktop Search app by the simple name of "Find File". It was a DA (Desktop Accessories) that you put under the apple menu.
I still use it to find documents and programs, on either the floppy or the hard drive of my Mac 512K (64 ROM).
I have been using this app on my Macs since the 80's. This is centuries before Windows started.
People always seems to disregard the old. Granted, this desktop search tool is not as powerful as later Sherlock, etc. But it was as useful on those days as the ones today.
I made some screen shots of "Find File" running on my Mac 512K, for those to see how it was back then.;-)
I still use the Victoria voice on my old Mac G3 (Mac OS 9), is my favorite voice.
My first real computer was the Mac 512k, which I still own, and still working in great conditions after all these years! Watching this video made me take it out of the closet and fire it up!:-)
I still have most of those programs that were shown on the video, Mac Paint, Mac Write, Mac Terminal, etc... The Mac runs on 400k floppies, it doesn't use hard drives. For OS I use System 1.0 through System 4.0.
I wish I could make screenshots!;-)
So people that are simply reading mail from Hotmail through Outlook Express, going to loose this feature and been force to pay or read their mail through the Hotmail site?
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Firefox, or even Opera don't stand a chance if they don't invest in proper promotion. The promotional aspect of Firefox/Opera is what keeping then behind.
Wow! Thank you for all the great years. :D
The oil companies will do anything to change their bad perception on peoples minds. $$$
Where is the Puppy Linux island? ÊâÊ
personally i can't wait to use fastmail.fm in opera on my Courier.
You're not alone! My favorite browser and e-mail service together. wow!
That's hard to do when people bitch and moan that the blue "e" is missing from the computer and then fidget whenever you open Firewhatever before they just ask you to just the "e" back in the upper left corner.
I'll tell then that the blue e changed their logo to the fox in the glove, or the red O, or the blue compass, or the Simon said game logo! lol ;-)
Congratulation on the 100,000th stories. :-)
I cannot agree with you more. I've been using Opera for a while now as a default browser, and the new /. design its making the site harder to use.
I miss the days when Yahoo had a silver background and not too many images. It was made with plain old HTML for faster loading and was more useful. Yahoo, like other so call Web 2.0 sites are a mess of excessive javascript and proprietary browser plugins like flash.
I'm not 100% against AJAX or Flash, it's the over use of it on situations that it's not requiered.
Yahoo need to keep their front and news page free of these requirements. If they want to change their look to myspace or facebook they should do it on their other pages.
http://www.cybertriallawyer.com/user-agreement
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Agree. There are plenty of capable browsers out there been exclude because sites are only coded for the proprietary ways of the most used browsers. That is Firefox, Opera, IE, and now Safari.
On the Mac side alone there are plenty of good browsers like iCab, Shiira, OmniWeb, etc, that are very capable of using those sites.
If web masters make certain that their pages are validated to the standards, the responsibility then will shift to the browser programmers. This will be better than dealing with the stupid browser requirement of sites like Yahoo, the new Hotmail, etc.
While this is offtopic, I don't see where else to post what the parent said. I agree that the new interface need work. It is too slow and some things don't look right.
/. doesn't become like Google about validation.
I think the all-minified.js script is too brutal for some browsers to load. It will also be a good idea to validate the site. That'll take care of the typical problems.
I just hope that
Since the new design, /. is been slower no matter what browser I use, Firefox, Safari, iCab, Opera, etc.
I think there's something weird going on with the AJAX/JavaScript execution.
I don't have anything against Urchin. But while some sites work fine, others just take forever load. This is why I block Urchin and Google-Analytics.
This is exactly what I say about people complaining about Firefox's speed on Mac. If Firefox doesn't do what you want, switch to: Safari, iCab, Camino, Opera, OmniWeb, or any other fine browser.
Even try Internet Explorer 5.x that is obsolete, but still been used on older systems and still been supported in some places, believe it or not!
Try anything that'll work for you.
Here I am looking at one of my old Macs with OS9 that haven't been rebooted in six months and still going strong.
Why this can't happen under OS X:
I don't know if I'd go that far. OSX isn't 100% immune - it just has more common sense.
Even OSX older brother OS9 had more common sense in his days!
The classic Mac OS was never cracked. It was very secure because it has no telnet built into it or ports open.
Heck! If I have to run a server, and I have a couple of Windows machines and Classic Mac OS, I'll rather run it on the classic Mac OS than any Windows. Which I have done in the past!
The days of running one Anti-Virus, one Spyware scanner on Windows are gone.
The only way to maintain your Windows machine clean, is to use more than one program.
Here's a list that will get you started: http://www.windowssecurity.uni.cc/
The other option is to switch to one of the other Oses, Linux, MacOS, or whatever else.
I don't understand what is the big deal with burning your music with iTunes. At least you can burn the acc files and get rid of the DRM. You lose some quality, but it bits the alternatives like wma or wmv. Those are more evil formats.
Burning to a CD is a lot easier than trying to crack a wma file. Heck, even with old Mac OS you can burn CDs with iTunes Helper http://www.ituneshelper.uni.cc/ and get rid of that stupid DRM nonsense
The left side panel, the one with the menu list, keeps crashing my browser on my old computer. The only way I was able to get some stability was by setting Slashdot to "Low Bandwidth" on the home page preferences.
Slashdot should give an option to keep the old design for those that want it. The site was more stable with the old design, and use to load faster.
I use iCab on Mac OS 9. It isn't as powerful as Firefox or Opera but it is the best thing I have found for this legacy OS.
Although iCab can't support CSS well, at least tries to comply with HTML standards.
The closes I can get to Firefox is the Mozilla 1.3.1 (WaMCom) browser. But that browser is very buggy and slow on my Mac. The Opera 6.03 is too buggy to use too.
I still use the original (Fat Mac) Mac 512K with two 400k floppy drives! It talks with my other Macs through AppleTalk, and it is running System 3.3 for OS. :-)
:-)
I made a disk image with all the classic applications from that era, that it is mounted on another Mac for easy access through AppleTalk. So I don't really have to change/swap disks. Just one disk for booting!
I still use it to play classic games and read old text, MacWrite, MacPaint documents, etc.
You could search the desktop all the way back to System 3 (Mac OS 3), and probably even System 1 (Mac OS 1).
;-)
There was a Desktop Search app by the simple name of "Find File". It was a DA (Desktop Accessories) that you put under the apple menu.
I still use it to find documents and programs, on either the floppy or the hard drive of my Mac 512K (64 ROM).
I have been using this app on my Macs since the 80's. This is centuries before Windows started.
People always seems to disregard the old. Granted, this desktop search tool is not as powerful as later Sherlock, etc. But it was as useful on those days as the ones today.
I made some screen shots of "Find File" running on my Mac 512K, for those to see how it was back then.
Screen Shot Find File 1
Screen Shot Find File 2
I still use the Victoria voice on my old Mac G3 (Mac OS 9), is my favorite voice. My first real computer was the Mac 512k, which I still own, and still working in great conditions after all these years! Watching this video made me take it out of the closet and fire it up! :-)
I still have most of those programs that were shown on the video, Mac Paint, Mac Write, Mac Terminal, etc... The Mac runs on 400k floppies, it doesn't use hard drives. For OS I use System 1.0 through System 4.0.
I wish I could make screenshots! ;-)
So people that are simply reading mail from Hotmail through Outlook Express, going to loose this feature and been force to pay or read their mail through the Hotmail site?