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Verified Identity Pass Shuts Down "Clear" Operations

torrentami writes that Verified Identity Pass, operator of the "Clear" program, which allowed pre-screened passengers faster access to US airport gates, "sent out emails to its subscribers today informing them that as of 11 p.m. PST they will cease operations. Clear was a pioneer in speeding customers through security at airports and had planned on expanding to large events. The service, where it was available, offered a first class security experience for travelers willing to fork over $200 a year and their biometrics. Customers are now left holding their Flyclear cards with encrypted biometrics. The question now becomes, what happens to all that information? This is not the first time Clear has been in the news. A laptop containing customer records was reportedly missing from the San Francisco International airport recently but then turned up shortly thereafter. Another casualty of the recession's downturn in business travel."

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  1. What happens? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Funny

    The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?

    Simple. It gets sold on eBay along with their servers.....

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    1. Re:What happens? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Dang it, I was going to say that...

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    2. Re:What happens? by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Sad but (probably) true.

    3. Re:What happens? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      What? Moo?

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    4. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm truly concerned about my information on the Clear database. A four line EM telling me they're out of business is a joke. Tell me what the hell you're doing with our information.

    5. Re:What happens? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or, if it was like the desktops of a certain teleco that were tossed a couple of years back it all ends up on the curb where you can have it for free!

      True story, a buddy of mine was working a few blocks from their office and gives me a "you ain't gonna believe this shit. bring your pickup truck" call, so I go there and there are all these 1.5-30Ghz boxes dumped out on the curb on a Sunday. So I help him load them up and we get them to his place(I of course get to pick out a few for bringing the truck) and hook them up to see if there is an OS on any of them. Not only are they all loaded with XP Pro, complete with the stickers on the side, but they hadn't bothered to wipe a damned thing. Nothing at all. SSN records,CC records, accounts, they just left it all right there on the machines they tossed. They were just lucky they were picked up by a couple of guys interested in the parts and not the data or we could have had an ID theft field day with all that info.

      There really should be a hotline or something similar to call to get companies in trouble when they do totally dumbass maneuvers like that. I'd say this was much worse than the morons that left the unencrypted tapes in their Honda, as how many folks have a tape drive? With these all you had to do was plug them in and start copying. It just amazes me how completely careless these companies are with the data they collect.

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    6. Re:What happens? by similar_name · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There really should be a hotline or something similar to call to get companies in trouble when they do totally dumbass maneuvers like that.

      Would you have called and had all those machines taken from you as evidence?

    7. Re:What happens? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      I would have pulled a couple hard drives to report as evidence. The machines would be unnecessary to prove the point.

  2. Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is too bad for a few folks. One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida. All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando. There, seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families with little kids, families unused to flying and doing everything wrong while still trying to herd the ankle-biters. It was supposedly a nightmare. For that airport and that airport alone, those guys thought Clear was a godsend.

    Everywhere else? Their attitude was...meh.

    1. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by mdmkolbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Doesn't Orlando have self-select back diamond lanes? Wouldn't that solve the problem of skipping past the many families that your company was solving using Clear?

    2. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Orlando has those lines, but you have to survive the first wave of Disney families/old people to get to them, and even then, clueless occasional flyers who don't know what they're doing barge in.

      I have business in Orlando 4-5 times a year, and I'd have loved to have had a Clear card for that awful airport.

    3. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Ioldanach · · Score: 3, Funny

      Could the TSA's own advances in screening have killed off the company's business model?

      Clearly, the gubmint should step in and stop the TSA from getting efficient, frail business models need to be protected, right?

    4. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Funny

      Meh, you think it's bad at the airport? Just remember, a lot of those clueless families have been subjecting the locals to their driving habits, and the locals suck on the highways to begin with. Couple that with a local traffic management department that appears to be staffed by either chimpanzees or very small children, and that leads me to a sneaking suspicion that there aren't really that many accidents in the Orlando area - lots of people drive into concrete embankments on I-4 because they *want* to.

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    5. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando. There, seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families [...]

      This is the reason I signed up for Clear: I had to stand in line for hours at Orlando.

      I used it a few other places, but was never able to bypass huge lines like those at Orlando.

    6. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Fly through Tampa. Even on Memorial Day weekend, was less than 10 minute wait through security. And checking a rifle and revolver; 5 minutes. No forms to fill out, just a TSA guy who carries it over to an x-ray system and it's off to checked luggage.

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    7. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Its the firearms that let you do that... see my other posts in this thread about it...

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    8. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing. Force the powerful to put up with all the annoyances of our security theater that the common man has to deal with, hopefully they'll get fed up with it and make the goverment implement something more sensible.

    9. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by FutureDomain · · Score: 1

      Couple that with a local traffic management department that appears to be staffed by either chimpanzees or very small children

      It's staffed by small children. The chimpanzees are running the DMV.

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    10. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by WBDinnigan · · Score: 1

      Speaking of training, wouldn't it be helpful if someone put up an instructional video or a website with instructions on how to go through security and the airport in general? If so many people are having trouble, it seems to me that the average flyer (hey, that's me!) needs a bit of extra help. I don't see the current situation changing any time soon, so a bit of instruction would be helpful.

      A pamphlet would be good, too- something to quickly check when waiting or before I arrive. I know that I use the bus schedules like that.

    11. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a seasoned traveler, I could have told you that Clear wasn't going anywhere. Forget Orlando - New York on Monday mornings or O'Hare in winter make Orlando look like a walk in the park.

      The problem with Clear is that they are not available at more than a couple of gates and terminals at any airport. So, you would end up going to that particular gate or terminal to get through Clear, as opposed to the one you are flying out of. Worse yet is that in some airports, they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline (e.g. in Cincinnati, you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American, US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal). Hell, they are not even available at all airports, which sort of defeats the complete purpose for a frequent flier.

      Secondly, as a frequent flier, I simply go to the priority access lanes. If you've any kind of airline status, or if you're flying business/first, you get to go through a much shorter line, and do not have to stand behind muggles and grandma with her 500oz hair shampoo. These lines are shorter, and move much faster because seasoned and frequent fliers pack as little as they have to. For example, I can pretty much pack all that I need for a week in a laptop bag, including workout clothes and gym gear, books, emergency snacks etc. Throw in a garment bag and you've plenty of space for a vacation for a month. So, frequent flier lanes are also much faster because these people don't spend their time arguing with TSA to let them take their hair gel or water bottle through.

      I must also say that I've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years. That helps, too.

    12. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'd heard about Orlando, but there are other places where it was a godsend:
      SJC terminal A, IAD, SFO. Most other places, it only helped if you hit at peak times.
      I still support the idea of faster treatment for pre-screened frequent flyers.

    13. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida. All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere

      I only know of staff in downtown Clearwater that signed up for Clear and none of them say it's worthless, until they leave and get branded as lying defectors.

    14. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by matrim99 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm glad they x-rayed your guns; who knows how many weapons you could have hidden in them!

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    15. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by clegrand · · Score: 1

      ... All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando...

      I am disappointed at the news .. I fly out of San Francisco regularly and it was an incredible convenience. Of course, traveling with family who DIDN'T have the card meant I had to walk thru the normal line with them while I stared longingly at the Clear lane.. heh.

    16. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by uncqual · · Score: 3, Funny

      I call B.S.

      The entire government in California is run by chimpanzees - there can't possibly be enough left over to run even one DMV office in Florida, let alone the whole organization.

      (Although, California is running out of bananas - some of their government chimpanzees may be migrating East soon -- be afraid, be very afraid).

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    17. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      All that stuff is already available.

      You are basically expecting the great unwashed to want to read the manual.

      Good luck with that.

    18. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by WBDinnigan · · Score: 1

      How readily available is it? Is there a site that explains how to get moving efficiently through the airport? I don't know if it would help anyone else, but I would like one.

    19. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      How's this? It includes both text and videos.

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    20. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      I call B.S.

      The entire government in California is run by chimpanzees

      You're entirely mistaken. Those are bonobos.

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    21. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      How readily available is it? Is there a site that explains how to get moving efficiently through the airport? I don't know if it would help anyone else, but I would like one.

      Try the giant graphical link in the middle of http://www.tsa.gov/ that says "Traveling soon? Learn how to get through the line faster."

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    22. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they need to do is to set up two lines, LINE A should be clearly marked with signs that say line up here and the TSA dick telling each person to line up there. LINE B on the other hand should be unmarked and go unmentioned. At the screening booth for LINE A there should be 2 TSA agents, one to watch the X-Ray (or Jerry Springer... I sometimes wonder.), and the other one to watch you go through the metal detector. LINE B should have 50 TSA agents and everyone should be subject to anal probes.

      If you haven't figured where I was going with this yet, I'll spell it out. The clearly marked LINE A is for frequent travelers and non-morons, LINE B is for everyone else who has no %^*&%@ clue and can't listen to simple #^&$@ instructions.

    23. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by WBDinnigan · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. As I am a Canadian, I didn't think to look on a US Government site- though perhaps I should have. I'll check to see if any corresponding information is on a similar Canadian site.

    24. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Carnivore · · Score: 1

      Yes! Tampa is so much better than Orlando. Hopefully, I'll never have to go back to Florida ever again, but while we were there, it was the go-to airport. Cheaper than JAX, not busy at all, no stupid vacationing families.

    25. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with Clear is that they are not available at more than a couple of gates and terminals at any airport.

      Huh. I'd never heard of them before, and on reading the summary my thought was that the biggest problem with Clear is that they are apparently pioneers in an industry that by all reason and logic should not exist.

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    26. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Kazymyr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Doesn't Orlando have self-select back diamond lanes?

      Yes. And when I flew there last week, in front of the lanes entrance there was a TSA employee directing everyone equally into allo 3 lanes, regardless of the black diamond designation. Many families with cartfulls of luggage and 3-4 kids were sent to the "expert traveler" lane.

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    27. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Canada, eh?

      Try this page then:
      http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/english/index.shtml

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    28. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must also say that I've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years. That helps, too.

      You mean they've successfully trained the citizens to behave according to their security theatre, and therefore have less pushback on their outrageous policies?

    29. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse yet is that in some airports, they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline (e.g. in Cincinnati, you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American, US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal)

      I'm not sure about other airports, but in Cincinnati, the Delta terminal is the only terminal with any significant traffic. Terminal 2 - the non-Delta terminal - may have three departures an hour at the busiest time of the day. Putting Clear in that terminal would have been pointless, because the regular security line would move just as quickly as a Clear line.

    30. Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando... by metlin · · Score: 1

      I have had to take several early morning flights in Cincinnati, and sometimes the lines do get crowded and long. It may not be as long as the Delta terminal one, but long nonetheless.

      Anyway, that's besides the point - as a frequent flier, I want to stick to one airline for my miles and frequent flier status. The moment you start switching airlines, you lose all the perks that come with flying (e.g. free upgrades, free tickets, free checked in luggage etc).

      Clear, by sticking to a single terminal, was subjecting their passengers to a terminal (and consequently an airline) of their choice, and not that of their customers'. Worse yet, there was no way for a customer to go through Clear to one terminal and switch to another (i.e. go through the Delta terminal and go to Terminal 2).

      And Cincinnati is only an example. Given the fact that several airports did not support Clear and given their "preferential terminal" treatment, why would someone want to shell money for a half-baked program?

      If they'd supported domestic airports in 90+% of all US cities across all terminals, then they had a better chance. Otherwise? Meh.

  3. There goes my argument... by T-Bucket · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was always amazed that they could put together a program like that for anyone who wanted to pay $200 but couldn't come up with a way to clear flight crews through without doing the whole "scan all your crap in front of the uneducated TSA goons who will then ask you 20 stupid questions about your approach chart holder" thing... (No kidding, one of them once asked me why I was carrying a "giant razor blade".)

    1. Re:There goes my argument... by sprag · · Score: 1, Interesting

      well, why were you carrying a giant razor blade?

    2. Re:There goes my argument... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you'd think a concealed carry permit would work just as well... fed and state background checks, finger prints, photos, etc.

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    3. Re:There goes my argument... by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      Not all states conduct a NICS check prior to issuing an LTCH. Not all require photographs.

      But now that you mention it, I think I should be able to skip past security by showing a signed off Form 4. I imagine myself walking up to the checkpoint on my way to a shoot, I hold up a supressor and paperwork, they wave me on through.

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    4. Re:There goes my argument... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Well, traveling with a firearm just about lets you do that... I have a buddy who does a lot of work travel. He says his best investment has been the action of a old single shot shotgun.

      Puts it in a locking case (about the size of a shaving kit bag), which goes in his luggage, which then gets locked with a *real* lock. Checks in, declares the firearm (since the action is the gun per ATFE), re-locks his luggage, and gets a quick escort thru TSA screening.

      The great part is the one time his baggage was "lost" was the look on the TSA guys face when he asked "You calling BATFE or should I?"

      I believe your NFA goodies would work the same way (or at least, I hope they would)

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    5. Re:There goes my argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      To evaluate his giant conspiracy theories, natch.

    6. Re:There goes my argument... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      A single-shot shotgun? Or a single-shot pistol? Based on the shaving kit bag, I'd think it was the latter.

      I've heard of professional photographers doing something similar when traveling. They can't take their entire lens and camera collection on the plane with them, so they buy a starter pistol and include it (locked up, of course) with their gear. They don't do it to speed through, but just to be able to trace it, since airport security tracks bags and containers with firearms much more closely.

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    7. Re:There goes my argument... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Sounds like he's traveling with just the receiver of a shotgun, sans barrel and stock. Yeah, would fit in a shaving kit.

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    8. Re:There goes my argument... by StreetStealth · · Score: 1

      I think he's saying the "giant razor blade" was his approach chart holder.

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    9. Re:There goes my argument... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      OK, got it. That makes sense. I got locked into trying to figure out how to fit a shotgun into most luggage, and missed the part specifying the action.

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    10. Re:There goes my argument... by literaldeluxe · · Score: 1

      How does he deal with the firearms laws in the state he's traveling to?

    11. Re:There goes my argument... by TommydCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've always wondered about the sanity of fully screening flight crews after an episode I witnessed a few months after 9/11...

      A few flight attendants cut in line in front of me just before the x-ray machines at the terminal security (which they are entitled to do, no complaints if they're cute) and the last one through set off the metal detector and had to be wanded. She asked the TSA guy "uhhh, what exactly are you looking for, anyway?"
      He replied, "anything you may have on your person that you could use to attempt to gain access to the cockpit." That seemed like a logical and fairly intelligent response from someone moments away from digging through my skivvies on my carry-on to find the suspicious USB cable.
      That is, until she pulled the key that was on a laniard around her neck into the open, and remarked, "Oh, you mean something like THIS?"

      *facepalm*

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    12. Re:There goes my argument... by spuke4000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      A friend of mine is a commercial pilot. Immediately after 9/11 he had his nail clippers confiscated when going through security. He mentioned to security that not only is there a fire ax in the cockpit, but he's the pilot and can just steer the plane into the ground if he wants to crash it. They didn't seem to get understand.

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    13. Re:There goes my argument... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Last time I flew, they made me leave my Occam's Razor behind. Without it I was forced to conclude it was a conspiracy theory.

    14. Re:There goes my argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy.

      First, most states honor firearms license from other states. Not all honor each other so some research needs to be done. Not hard.

      Second, you need to know the laws of the states you will be visiting. For example, some states mandate that guns be left out in plain view in a car (i.e. non concealed), and other states mandate that they NOT be left out in plain view. There are tons of differences state to state. Some very arcane rules. Again, not hard to find out what needs to be done. One mistake on where you store or carry your gun can earn a felony conviction. "But it's OK in my home state" does not work.

      Third, you need to know the procedures for checking firearms as luggage. Again, not a big deal.

      My last couple of trips have been frustrating only because I was traveling to California, a state that does not honor my license so there was no point in taking my gun. My next trip was out of the country so that was definitely off limits.

    15. Re:There goes my argument... by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They didn't seem to get understand.

      Of course not. The people running the gates aren't paid to think, they're paid to follow orders blindly. In fact, I suspect that the TSA gives all applicants an IQ test and only hires those who fail it. Now that I come to think of it, it occurs to me that Vogons would be just perfect for the job.

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    16. Re:There goes my argument... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Shotguns are legal pretty much anywhere.

      And the action of the gun probably doesn't count as an actual 'gun' anywhere but in BATFE regs. You'd avoid a lot of regulation simply by having the gun be clearly inoperable. Especially if it's additionally in a locked case.

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  4. Heathrow T5 by pzs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They still have something similar at the new BA Heathrow terminal. If you're a business or 1st class passenger you get your own special lane in the security checks where (presumably - I'm just an economy pleb) the line moves faster (fewer unwashed masses) and maybe the staff are less rude to you. I guess it's just another part of the "aspirational" nature of flying, where you wish you could afford to fly business because it might be a slightly less depressing and dehumanising experience.

    The cynic in me says that this is a natural and welcome part of security theatre. Like forcing everybody to rebuy their bottled water every time they fly, this practice seems to have a lot more to do with making companies associated with flight security a pile of money than it does making anybody safe.

    1. Re:Heathrow T5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heathrow's FastLane is a godsend.
      It's for OneWorld Emerald/BAEC Gold or Business Class passengers.

      On a recent arrival to Heathrow, c.a. 5pm., security was swamped.
      Lines were easily thirty minutes to get through security, yet I walked through FastLane in less than fifteen seconds.

    2. Re:Heathrow T5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not exactly a new thing on this side of the Atlantic, there have been First Class security lines in big US airports for most of this decade (if not longer).

    3. Re:Heathrow T5 by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I fly through UK airports a lot - admittedly mainly Stansted rather than Heathrow - and I've never had staff be rude to me. They're not all friendly (although some are), but in my experience they are all professional.

    4. Re:Heathrow T5 by Ponderu · · Score: 1

      Heathrow T5 is for 1st, business and flexible economy tickets, so more people can use this than you might think. And don't believe for a minute it runs faster! Do a search on Google for T5 Fast Track to see the complaints of frequent travellers who are eligible for fast track, many of whom now give it a miss and join the line with the rest of the "economy pleb"s as you put it.

      From my own experience, the normal lines primarily have holidaymakers and casual travellers with one piece of hand luggage, whereas "fast track" has buiness travellers with one case and a laptop bag and therefore have to take their laptops AND liquids out of their bags. Thanks to T5's special "everything must go in the trays" design (and these trays are smaller than the maximum permitted hand baggage size!) and the distinct lack of space to prepare this is a massive hold up.

    5. Re:Heathrow T5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I PREFER drinking my explosive water, rather than throwing it in the trash with all the other explosive water. DAMMIT!

    6. Re:Heathrow T5 by metlin · · Score: 1

      Well, in just about all airports in the US, passengers flying First, Business or with Frequent Flier Status have separate lanes that are much faster.

      Secondly, no one asks you to buy a bottle of water. Carry a water bottle and refill it at a fountain once you are done checking in. It's really not rocket science. Hell, some times it is cheaper to buy a water bottle at an airport store and refill it than buying a new bottle of water.

    7. Re:Heathrow T5 by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      This isn't the same thing. Priority lines are all over the place and have nothing to do with Clear. You do not have to pay extra to use priority lines.

      See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_Traveler#Clear

    8. Re:Heathrow T5 by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      Those of us who don't get free biz/first class tickets do have to pay extra.

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    9. Re:Heathrow T5 by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      No. Most priority lines are first class, business class, or frequent flyers. By the way, this is where the TSA got the family-casual-expert lines idea (which I think is one of the few things they've ever done right).

  5. AYBAB2U by the_other_one · · Score: 2, Funny

    All Your Biometrics are Belong to Us!

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  6. Who are we kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a business. A business exists to make money. If it's legally possible, the information will be sold to the highest bidder.

    Sorry, but it's the American way.

    1. Re:Who are we kidding? by Omniscient+Lurker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "If it's legally possible"

      What do they care about legalities, they're going out of business, there'll be no one left to sue.

    2. Re:Who are we kidding? by Torodung · · Score: 1

      Exactly, so the only concern would be criminal charges.

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    3. Re:Who are we kidding? by Omniscient+Lurker · · Score: 1

      I thought corporations were separate entities so board members/employees couldn't be charged with the corporations' actions.

    4. Re:Who are we kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You thought you could do any crimes as long as it was for the company?

    5. Re:Who are we kidding? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

      Common misconception on Slashdot (and a lot of other places). Board members and employees can still be held liable -- criminally and/or civilly -- for gross negligence. It's a necessarily high bar, though. The business largely takes the liability for the employees' simple mistakes, and for decisions made by the board members, they need some level of insulation against civil claims. Running a business involves risk, and they can legitimately make the wrong decision about a path to follow. If that happens because of a simple oversight or just a wrong bet (figuratively speaking), they shouldn't be held liable for it.

      Had they been completely insulated, we'd never have seen Bernie Ebbers charged, convicted, and sentenced to 25 years in federal prison.

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    6. Re:Who are we kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Duh. He is an investment banker, after all.

  7. A lot of business travel is unnecessary by VampireByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another casualty of the recession's downturn in business travel

    When this economy turns around, I hope some sanity remains regarding what business travel is necessary vs. wasteful. So much of the time these business meetings could have been conducted by phone or over the internet.

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    1. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by MoeDrippins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, "when this economy turns around" is precisely when what is wasteful vs. not will CEASE to be recognized.

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    2. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by RoverDaddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hear hear! Would mod you insightful but I'd rather comment this time. It's sad but true, that the 'recovery' we're looking for basically depends on the people who still have lots of money convincing the masses to go ahead and resume wasting theirs on things they really don't need at all. I'd almost rather see the recession continue indefinitely if it continues improving the saving rate of Americans or stops them from believing they need all the made-in-China crap that the marketing folks want them to buy.

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    3. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      It's sad but true, that the 'recovery' we're looking for basically depends on the people who still have lots of money convincing the masses to go ahead and resume wasting theirs on things they really don't need at all.

      Well, no. Because that well is pretty much pumped dry. What recovery really requires is that the people who don't have lots of money get more so that they can afford to make more purchases (whether productive or not) beyond the merely necessary.

      The truly rich have a lower propensity to spend and a higher propensity to invest, but none of that investing does any good without spending. The economy's short and shallow rebound after the 2001 recession was pretty much most of the available credit for the great mass of the public -- much of it dependent, directly or indirectly, on inflated home values -- being exhausted, so (useful spending or "things they don't really need", it doesn't matter) a strong recovery in the economy isn't going to happen without a rearrangment of ability to spend (probably, and most sustainably, wealth, though a loosening of credit might work in at least the short term) so that the people who have something to spend more on have something to spend on it.

    4. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by metlin · · Score: 1

      I agree with you in principle, but I do not consider expedited security in airports to be frivolous.

      For those of us who fly often (8 flights in just this month alone), such things definitely have their value if implemented properly.

      Also, a lot of companies also pay their employees to subscribe to such services (especially when the employee has to travel a lot).

    5. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree with you.

      Perhaps I was unclear, but I wasn't saying Clear was frivolous (I was also a user) but rather that flying around for meetings often is. And that it will start back up in earnest when the money is flowing.

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    6. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by metlin · · Score: 1

      You really feel so? I guess it depends on what you do.

      Personally, a lot can be achieved in an hour long in-person client interaction than a day long meeting on the phone or over email.

      The nuances and the ability to socialize are often lost resulting in an impersonal feel. So, I feel that while some business travel may be unnecessary based on what you do, most probably aren't.

      Quick disclaimer - I'm a management consultant, so a lot of what I do involves client interaction.

    7. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by RoverDaddy · · Score: 1

      I think I agree with you. My take, is that what you are describing is a 'real recovery', and a good thing. However, I am cynical enough to believe that many people in a position to influence the recovery have no desire to do that. They would rather try to pump blood from a stone until it's just impossible, and then they'll just leave the masses behind and move away (or gate themselves away). I don't think it's a done deal yet, but if the near future unfolded with the wealthy of America literally abandoning the country in a mass exodus, I wouldn't be surprised either.

      Just consider the phrase you used: 'rearrangement of ability to spend'. I bet a lot people hear that and think Socialism. Never mind it might be in their long term best interest, if it means giving up something in the short term, they don't want anything to do with it.

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    8. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by Omestes · · Score: 1

      The truly rich have a lower propensity to spend and a higher propensity to invest

      Minor quibble, investing is spending, unless their burying their cash in their backyard. Invested money is still doing something, as is all the savings that people have, which actually just a hidden investment where someone else gets the profit.

      The problem isn't investing, or spending, its playing financial three card monte, where all these invested funds shuffled to strange services that don't actually DO anything besides shuffle money to other strange companies, whose soul purpose is shuffling money to other strange services. We lost the base of any functional or stable economy, industry and manufacturing. Without that, our economy is largely baseless and unsustainable, no matter what anyone is doing with their money.

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    9. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Or, instead, they could just fix security to start with instead of letting people pay their way around the system.

      For starters, get rid of the stupid 'take off your shoes' rule.

      Shoes are not, in fact, useful places to hide things. Richard Reid had explosives in his shoes, because he was a total moron, not because shoes are a good hiding place.

      For reference, you can trivially fit as much explosives in your pocket. Or in your bra, or taped inside your legs. (Women have been hiding things in their garters forever.)

      And there's always that cocaine smuggling option of eating it, and carrying a small detonator. If you're blowing up a plane you're a suicide bomber anyway.

      The soles of shoes are tiny. Tiny tiny tiny. You can store the same thickness of stuff that you could fit in a shoe sole on your back...the height and width of your entire back.

      Remember, you're just going through a metal detector, not an x-ray. It's just fucking stupid to pretend shoes are the slightest bit relevant to security.

      (And shoes soles are also stupid for the reason that the more powerful the explosive, the more volatile it is, so you shouldn't be walking on it.)

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    10. Re:A lot of business travel is unnecessary by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Minor quibble, investing is spending

      There is a sense of the word "spending" in which investing is "spending", but there is also an important economic distinction between "investing" (or, equivalently, "saving") and "spending", and it is in the sense relevant to that distinction that I was writing.

      Invested money is still doing something

      Well, yeah. But except in the corner case where actual manufactured goods are purchased for investment value, its doing something very different from the money spent on normal goods and services, which has different economic consequences (not inherently better or worse, but the effects are different, and so what produces a desired change in the state of the economy depends on what change you want and what the current state of the economy is), which is why people distinguish between "investing"/"saving" and "spending".

      The problem isn't investing, or spending, its playing financial three card monte, where all these invested funds shuffled to strange services that don't actually DO anything besides shuffle money to other strange companies, whose soul purpose is shuffling money to other strange services. We lost the base of any functional or stable economy, industry and manufacturing. Without that, our economy is largely baseless and unsustainable, no matter what anyone is doing with their money.

      Insofar as what you are describing is a problem -- and I agree that it is a fairly good description of a big part of the problem -- its not a problem independent of the relationship between investing and spending, its a problem that occurs when there is lots of money trying to go into "investment" without a healthy spending environment to support it; you get more and more arcane investing schemes built on top of each other, and more and more services which are ancillary to those investment schemes, and less and less of the economy dealing in providing real goods or services of direct utility.

      The missing (or, more accurately, weakened) "base" of the economy whose weakness makes it unsustainable is the market of goods and services of direct utility that is supported by spending.

  8. Never signed up by ToAllPointsWest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right now I'm so glad I never signed on for that BS.

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  9. Color me unsurprised by tacokill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I looked at the Clear Pass program. It's a waste of money as far as I can tell. Basically, as I understand it, you get to pay $200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.

    It begs the question: why bother? Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.

    I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful. However I can't see *any* value in this program. Apparently, I am not alone.

    1. Re:Color me unsurprised by Dekaner · · Score: 1

      I use the Clear program and was very disappointed when it was shut down. You're basically paying an annual fee to not wait in line with everyone else. The clear line is a seperate queue that moves very quickly and then they walk you to the front of the normal security screening line. This regularly saved me the time and frustration of traveling with people who are not experienced with the security procedures.

    2. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This regularly saved me the time and frustration of traveling with people who are not experienced with the security procedures.

      I still fail to see the benefits, especially the time savings. Won't you still have to wait until the rest of the slow people have passed through their line, before the plane can take off? You exchange waiting in front of the checkpoint with waiting behind it. What for?

    3. Re:Color me unsurprised by Jahf · · Score: 1

      It actually wasn't the exact same procedures, at least not in Denver. It was about twice the amount of time to "clear" the Clear line because of extra measures. Clear users in Denver were put through the "you look suspicious, let's sniff you" line. Yeah, they got to cut to the head of that line (which made it REAL fun to go through as a normal Joe) but it still slowed them down significantly.

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    4. Re:Color me unsurprised by Pahroza · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about not having to get to the airport -- what is it now, 36 hours? -- before your flight?

      Sitting down at the gate and waiting is quite a bit different than waiting in line with all the cows that have never been to the airport.

    5. Re:Color me unsurprised by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      Won't you still have to wait until the rest of the slow people have passed through their line, before the plane can take off? You exchange waiting in front of the checkpoint with waiting behind it. What for?

      Since when do planes wait for all the passengers, you already bought a ticket and they have your money. I am pretty sure they just leave to keep the airport on schedule.

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    6. Re:Color me unsurprised by rwade · · Score: 1

      It begs the question: why bother? Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.

      I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful. However I can't see *any* value in this program. Apparently, I am not alone.

      To me the bigger question is the public good provided in exchange for the line jump.

      The biometric data, the retinal scanning, and the background checks or whatever they did over there seemed to be just a way to say "Hey, look at us -- we're helping prevent terrorism by collecting this data and making sure folks getting on the plane are who they say they are." In essence, it was a sham as they just went through the same security check anyway and as long as one is a first-time terrorist that knows what he's doing, it's no problem for you to make it through CLEAR.

      eg. some of the September 11 hijackers managed to make it through freaking flight school in the US without a problem -- are they suggesting they couldn't make it through CLEAR? I find that hard to believe.

      The CLEAR program was a way for publicly funded airports to give the opportunity to skip in front of the line in exchange for a fee paid to a third party.

    7. Re:Color me unsurprised by massysett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I looked at the Clear Pass program. It's a waste of money as far as I can tell. Basically, as I understand it, you get to pay $200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.

      Especially when most of the people who would be interested in Clear and who would pony up $200 for it are already flying first class, business class, or have some sort of "elite" frequent flyer status...meaning that they can already go to the special lane that jumps them to the front of the security line. When I first heard of Clear, I thought it would qualify you for a reduced amount of screening (maybe keep your shoes on?) When I heard that you get the same screening as everybody else, I knew there was no way it would last long because it's completely pointless.

    8. Re:Color me unsurprised by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Informative

      If the passengers have checked luggage, then the plane will sometimes wait for them. The luggage would have to be located and removed, which takes a while. Waiting 10 minutes for the passenger can be more sensible than waiting 20 minutes to get their bags off. Except for the moral hazard issue, I suppose.

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    9. Re:Color me unsurprised by AlecC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Once you have checked your baggage, they more-or-less have to wait for you. The are not allowed to fly baggage without passenger, because that would be an easy way to get a bomb on board without risking yourself. So if a passenger disappears, they have to unload all the baggage and scan through to find the bags of the disappeared passenger by scanning the tags. Extremely laborious - probably take over an hour for a large plane, unless they are lucky. Which is why they get so energetic paging missing passengers over the PA, and have staff looking for drunks passed out in the toilets.

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    10. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The are not allowed to fly baggage without passenger

      They say this all the time, but yet I often don't fly on the same flight with my bags.

    11. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you have checked your baggage, they more-or-less have to wait for you. The are not allowed to fly baggage without passenger, because that would be an easy way to get a bomb on board without risking yourself. So if a passenger disappears, they have to unload all the baggage and scan through to find the bags of the disappeared passenger by scanning the tags. Extremely laborious - probably take over an hour for a large plane, unless they are lucky. Which is why they get so energetic paging missing passengers over the PA, and have staff looking for drunks passed out in the toilets.

      This is utterly False, hands down completely and utterly false.

      I've missed many connecting flights, which means my baggage has been checked in, and spent the night at the airport or hotel sans baggage only to find my bag sitting calmly for me at my destination. I've even missed the gate closing for a flight and had my bags still make that flight and me wondering if I should have just checked myself into my luggage. There is nothing that stops them, no regulation, no rule, from putting your baggage on the plane onces you've checked in and giving your seat to someone else. On late connections I've asked for them to call ahead to the connecting gate and tell them I'm on the way only to be told they don't hold the plane for anyone unless it's for medical reasons or for other reasons such as being in a wheelchair.

      As for using that methodology for getting a bob on, that's a pretty hollow argument. All bags are passed through a security X-ray machine and those that come up as questionable get searched, on top of random searches of bags. I've had mine searched a few times with a nice little note saying, "Yes we searched your bag, we're sorry if something is missing, we try."

    12. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same as you, but I started travelling DEN/SFO every other week. The lines at DEN are somewhat efficient and I never had an issue. But at SFO, when I returned home Friday morning, we got hit with the international fliers where the lines literally wrapped around corners and out the doors. The Clear lines were... well... clear. So I decided to get a card and I never looked back. I was able to check in on line and show up at the airport 45 minutes before the flight took off. The best was right before a holiday, I had to go to SFO. The DEN lines were over an hour that day wrapping and wrapping. I waltzed right through the line and bypassed everyone. That right there made it all worth it (I know... but I really hate lines a lot). That really reduced the stress of the airport experience. I for one, will be sad to see it go as it really did make my travel experience a bit less stressful.

    13. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found it a waste of time, after going through a month of screening and paperwork, they still asked for my passport, clear card, secondary ID and ticket EVERY time I flew, and THEN I had the privileged of being submitted to my biocheck (which btw, even though they had my iris scan, I was only ever "allowed" to use my fingerprint). When the renewal came up I told them it was useless and wasn't interested, looks like one of the best decisions I made this year - I should start investing in the stock market.

    14. Re:Color me unsurprised by ID000001 · · Score: 1

      I have so far missed two flights this year and both time, they sent my baggage without me.

    15. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you travel "enough" from Orlando and/or Atlanta - its value in time was more than worth the cost.

    16. Re:Color me unsurprised by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

      "Since when do planes wait for all the passengers, you already bought a ticket and they have your money. I am pretty sure they just leave to keep the airport on schedule."

      They want to fill every seat on the plane. Each flight costs about the same whether there are empty seats or not, but empty seats don't pay fares.

      I don't know the intricacies of how they compromise the between the conflicting requirements of filling the plane, leaving on time, and keeping passengers happy, but they're not going to push back if there are empty seats on the plane and farepaying bodies to put in them. I suppose they'd prefer to fill them with a sure-thing body on standby in the gate area than a hypothetical body going through security, but they probably have a good idea how many out-of-breath latecomers are likely to sprinting up to the gate at departure-time-plus-120 seconds, and it probably factors into the gate agent's judgement.

    17. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true on international flights only.

    18. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the gate?
      My friend, you're doing it wrong.

      Just sit in the lounge and enjoy some good food and decent wine.
      As long as you're checked in, you can leave the lounge five minutes before departure and still get on, as they'd have to unload the luggage for any no-shows.

    19. Re:Color me unsurprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It begs the question

      You keep using it, but that doesn't mean what you think it means.

    20. Re:Color me unsurprised by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      I've missed many connecting flights, which means my baggage has been checked in, and spent the night at the airport or hotel sans baggage only to find my bag sitting calmly for me at my destination. I've even missed the gate closing for a flight and had my bags still make that flight and me wondering if I should have just checked myself into my luggage. There is nothing that stops them, no regulation, no rule, from putting your baggage on the plane onces you've checked in and giving your seat to someone else.

      You're missing a critical distinction, and then you've taken that as license to elaborate some poorly detailed anecdotes into the realm of fiction. The distinction is this:

      -- If you miss a flight due to circumstances you could not reasonably be expected to control - such the late arrival of a connecting flight - they often will let your luggage fly without you.

      -- If you miss a flight due to circumstances that were in your control - such as your late arrival at the gate after checking in, your luggage will not travel without you.

      In general, your luggage is much more likely to travel without you on the second or subsequent leg of a multi-leg itinerary, than on the first leg or first leg after a stopover (in which case it almost never will).

      Deliberately unaccompanied baggage is subject to special screening requirements and in some airports/countries it is not accepted from passengers at all (only from bonded third-party agents which are required to follow strict security inspection procedures).

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  10. Good riddance by surmak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am very glad to see this go. I have always thought that the "trusted" traveler program is unfair and dangerous to everyone's civil liberties. Those who travel frequently should have the go through the same hassle as everyone else, and so will be more likely to complain and get the system fixed for all of us. If frequent traveler are segregated into their own first class lane, they have less incentive to work to change the system, and the rest of the traveling public do not fly enough to care. This is the same reason that racial profiling of any sort is wrong. If society decides that law enforcement needs to inconvenience people, then all people, especially those with the power to effect the decision should have to pay the price, and not just a relatively powerless minority.

    Airport security, as a whole, is pretty much worthless, and seems only to serve the purpose of getting people used to law enforcement checkpoints ("papers, please") The one post 9/11/01 change that did matter was the reinforcing of the cockpit doors. Everything else the TSA (or private screeners, before the establishment of the TSA) did, from the banning of drinking water, to the confiscation of Leatherman tools has not done anything to make anyones flights any safer.

    1. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're kidding, right? First of all, what does this have to do with civil liberties? You are still getting to fly just like most everyone else in the world. There are just a few people who were willing to pay more not to stand in line. For $200, you can join them. Second, what's this "get the system fixed for all of us" about? Sounds to me like bandwagon bitching to me.

      Don't get me wrong, I think there are plenty of things wrong with the system; it's mostly theatrics. We all know this, and it's been this way for a while. I'm not a business traveler. I'm wasn't a Clear member. I do fly 4 or 5 times a year though, and I have problems with it. My biggest problem is that someone with my name is on the no-fly list; so, it takes me an extra 5-30 minutes to clear the ticket counter. I can't even begin to think about using the kiosks. I've asked and complained about it over the past 4 years, but I'm told there is nothing I can do to change it.

      As for the rest of what you've said, I don't ever remember being able to fly with a knife (or Leatherman); so, good luck on complaining about that. A Clear membership wasn't going to suddenly allow you to carry on banned items. Your one legitimate gripe seems to be the banning of drinking water. It sucks. But, it's their plane and their rules. If you don't like it, take a train or drive. Going across the Big Pond? They still make boats. My point being, if you don't like it, don't reinforce their behavior. Myself, I'll be hanging out at the ticket counter waiting for someone to approve me to fly.

    2. Re:Good riddance by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Prior to the current security theatrics, you could carry blades less than 3" on-board. Back then they were mostly concerned with things that could caused rapid explosions, aerosols, batteries, etc. They didn't care if you could stab your seat-mate.

      Oh, and in the good old days you could kiss your girlfriend goodbye at the gate, instead of dropping them curbside, and you wouldn't get hassled by state troopers if you parked outside arrival for 10 minutes while your friends go their bags. Now I have to "orbit the airport" because Logan doesn't provide any short-term parking outside the terminals.

    3. Re:Good riddance by Skater · · Score: 1

      Oh, and in the good old days you could kiss your girlfriend goodbye at the gate,

      I remember those days. When I was very young, my parents and I would occasionally go to BWI (new at the time) and watch the planes taking off and landing.

      Now I have to "orbit the airport" because Logan doesn't provide any short-term parking outside the terminals.

      That sucks. Some airports I've been to have a "cell phone waiting area" - you park in this lot for free, then your party calls you when they get their bags, and you swoop in and pick them up. Seems like a great idea.

    4. Re:Good riddance by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Being hassled by airport police varies by airport. At LAX, even in the old days they didn't let you stop for an extended period, even when there was plenty of space around you (like when picking up friends from a 2am arrival). At DFW, though, at least along some of the terminals, there's space to stop off and park, and I've seen people parked and reading a magazine or newspaper for a half-hour and no one hassles them.

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    5. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with security screening is NOT the TSA - it is the inexperienced traveller. They do not read the numerous signs leading up to the security checkpoint. They leave their laptop in their bag as it goes through the screener, the seem generally surprised that the bottle of water in their hands can't be taken through. I travel alot and I can have myself "screener ready" in less than a minute: All wallets, watches, keys, change in my bag not in my pockets. Shoes off - laptop out - bag on conveyer belt. DONE!. To stand behind somehow who has no idea what they are doing is maddening. We frequent travellers have tried to fix the system - by giving ourselves "express lanes" it frees up the other lanes for those who need a bit more assistance.

    6. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If the rules weren't retarded, the inexperienced travelers wouldn't be a problem. The only reason they are surprised by the rules is that they are so patently absurd.

    7. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I have to "orbit the airport" because Logan doesn't provide any short-term parking outside the terminals.

      Logan, like many airports, has a "cell phone waiting area" for arrivals.

      http://www.massport.com/logan/parki_cell_lot.html

    8. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you could carry blades less than 3" on-board. Back then they were mostly concerned with things that could caused rapid explosions, aerosols, batteries, etc. They didn't care if you could stab your seat-mate."

      Yep. And that's exactly how the terrorists hijacked the planes on 9/11. Using normal box cutters (with razor sharp blades about an inch long), demonstrating that they were willing and ready to use them, and the threat of explosives they didn't have.

      So obviously, current airport security cannot possibly be stopping anything. Let's go back to the really good old days... you check in, walk to the gate, get on the plane, and NO ONE gets checked by anyone for anything. The insurance companies would love it.

    9. Re:Good riddance by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      It is a fairly nice idea, except Logan is such an ass backwards layout... they should have leveled it during the recent rebuild and started from scratch. From 4 terminals to 1, maybe two, separated from baggage and checkin with people-movers, sort of like Orlando.

    10. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frequent flyers will just continue to utilize their designated lanes for travel. In Chicago, for example, they have a dedicate First or Exec. Platinum lane ONLY near the AA check-in. Your hope for equality in dissatisfaction will not occur- sorry.

    11. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not six months after 9/11 I was on a plane heading to Washington, when I was offered food (for pay, of course) and purchased it. I bought something that required some cutting and all I had was a spork. The flight attendant, seeing I was having problems cutting my food, offered me a "real" knife from the first class section. My mouth dropped and I looked at her with a 1000-yard stare as I tried to figure out what it was that she was asking me. I asked, "they have knives available for first class folks?" She answered, "Yes, and I don't think they are using them all, do you want one." I said, "You realize that most, if not all of the terrorists during 9/11 sat in first class?" She then responded, "Ah, I see, there always has to be a smart guy on every flight," and walked away. Figured out at that point that nobody had really thought this whole thing through. Of course, they removed them later, but I think they removed them because they were too expensive, not because they were a security problem.

  11. Clear SUCKED by Jahf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am so glad I decided not to enroll. I am a very regular traveler through the Denver airport and Clear had a very visible presence at the security gates. I was tempted at first but decided against it for 2 reasons:

    1) Privacy: When I emailed Clear they stated that they did not share data with the government but they couldn't guarantee they -wouldn't- share data in the future. Clear takes -both- fingerprints and retinal prints. I asked if I could just give the retinal and they said no. While I haven't done anything that would have gotten me in hot water if the government got my finger prints ... well ... I reserve the right to keep them to myself, thank you very much.

    2) Speed: Clear was supposed to be a "breeze through security" service. And yet all the stuff they do in the line (scan you for identity, put you through a "puff & sniff" detector) seemed to make people go through Clear -slower- than the normal lines over half of the time. The only time Clear was faster when I watched was during very high holiday traffic times ... and then only when there weren't many people in the Clear line.

    Thanks but no thanks. Instead of getting us to pay to make a few people go through faster why not improve the TSA processes in the "real" security lines so that we don't have to suffer through things like:

    * Idiots who STILL don't know how to remove their jewelry/shoes/laptops (easily accomplished by a -free- registration card that you can apply for after having passed through security at least once and using that completely wasted "1st class" security line for us business travelers)

    * TSA jerks who literally go on break while being the baggage scanner. 25% of the time or -more- I am in a line where the scanner just stops. NO they aren't being diligent by double-checking a bag they are just sitting there. The last time a supervisor came over and started chatting up the bag scanner ... positioning themself between the growing line of travelers and the scanner so they couldn't see us ... even looking back, seeing the line growing, and continuing to chat the with the bag scanner attendant. Based on the amount of laughter and hand motions it was all just fun ... for them. Meanwhile there were other people standing nearby who could have helped.

    And Clear wouldn't have helped in that situation. Why? Because it was late in the evening on a Sunday and Clear had closed up.

    Clear was an attempt to make money off the fact that the TSA has no damned concept of speed nor efficiency. That's the wrong way to do it.

    Good riddance!

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    It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
  12. Private companies selling public space by EsJay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash. So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us? Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street. Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that quicker line for $50/head.

    1. Re:Private companies selling public space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the airlines are paying the airports rent. If the landlord says "Hey, for an extra 25%, we'll give you this priority lane" and the airline can justify the cost, why not?

    2. Re:Private companies selling public space by rwade · · Score: 1

      Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash. So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us? Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street. Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that quicker line for $50/head.

      From this article on Oakland's introduction of CLEAR:

      "[The] airport began receiving a lot of requests for it, especially from large companies whose employees did a lot of traveling, she said. 'We are responding to customer input, customers saying, 'please, please bring this.'"

      In essence, this represents a gift to the business community that the airport authority (themselves generally part of the "business leadership" community at some point in the past or future) cherishes. The theory goes that if you make things easier on businesses, the benefits show up for everyone!

      Obviously different folks will have different opinions about this, but this is the theory. The LA Times article linked in the article has a comment's section that has a pretty hefty pro-CLEAR tone, so you can read that view espoused 50 times if you want.

    3. Re:Private companies selling public space by EsJay · · Score: 1

      Are they paying the TSA for exclusive use of equipment and personnel?

    4. Re:Private companies selling public space by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      > Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not
      > paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.

      Um, what? Your deep discount coach fare is absolutely subsidized by these travelers.

      > So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for
      > the rest of us?

      It's very simple. These travelers pay more to the airline. The airline cannot operate without them. The airline pays the airport to fund a separate priority line. The fact that a business traveler is sure he or she can get through security in 5 minutes or less brings more such business to the airline.

      > Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street. Or go to the DMV and
      > set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that
      > quicker line for $50/head.

      You seem to not understand who pays for these priority lines. It's the airlines, and (indirectly) the very people who use them. They also pay for a part of your line and your coach seat.

      Feel better now?

    5. Re:Private companies selling public space by hab136 · · Score: 1

      Are they paying the TSA for exclusive use of equipment and personnel?

      The TSA is screening the same number of people per hour. There's no additional cost.

      When the "first class" lane is empty, they'll take plebes from cattle class.

    6. Re:Private companies selling public space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.

      First class passengers are paying the airport, just like every other passenger. There's a per-segment fee imposed by most airports, which can be as much as $10 to $15 per combined landing/takeoff. This is bundled up in the "taxes & fees" section, as an "Airport Facilities" charge, and goes directly to the airport.

      Tip: If you have a stopover where the flight number doesn't change, you don't have to pay the airport fees for that stop.

    7. Re:Private companies selling public space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First class and frequent business travelers keep the airline in business, thus by default keep the airport in business. While we may not be paying you directly, if we all stopped flying you wouldn't have an airport to complain about not being special in.

    8. Re:Private companies selling public space by metlin · · Score: 1

      Here's why:

      1. We earned it (can you see my sense of entitlement here?).
      2. We fly more, and pay more. So, we pay the airline (and consequently the airport) more.
      3. Business travelers and frequently fliers account for the vast majority of airline (and consequently airport) revenue - we keep them in business.
      4. If you think it's bad for the casual traveler, it's much worse for those of us who endure this several times a week - imagine the delays, TSA encounters and putting up with idiots like you.
      5. Everyone likes special treatment - the only reason you're complaining is because you're being left out.

      I also particularly enjoy my frequent flier status when at the last minute, I usurp some poor bloke at the counter who's waiting for standby for a while.

      Airline travel sucks. It sucks more for those of us who do it often. So, there's no reason we shouldn't enjoy the few perks that come with flying often.

    9. Re:Private companies selling public space by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I don't buy it.

      In about 4 linear feet of plane they put 4 first class seats, 2 on each side of the aisle. In about the same 4 linear feet they put 12 coach seats, 2 rows of 3 on each side. If first class is 3x the price of coach then there is no subsidy.

      Of course there is the issue of weight, but i am certain that the myriad first class amenities more than make up the difference.

      The real world seems to agree with my napkin math. Airlines like Southwest have the lowest prices and don't even offer first class.

      Then there are the "fuck you" moments just to make sure the commoners know their place: Empty first class lines refusing to serve coach passengers, the idiotic policy of clogging the front of the plane first when loading back row first makes better sense, forcing coach passengers to use the rear restrooms no matter what so first class doesn't have to look at them, etc.

      Thanks for the lie that they pay my way, but I will continue to be resentful of first class the few times a year I am unfortunate enough to be forced to fly.

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      Man, you really need that seminar!
    10. Re:Private companies selling public space by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      I don't know what to tell you, buddy. This is airline revenue management 101. First class tickets as well as full coach fare tickets are sold to business travelers so that Ma and Pa can take their trip to Florida for the weekend. This is why Orlando flights are so much cheaper for vacation than Daytona Beach (MCO is a big biz destination, DAB is not). This is also why tickets without a Saturday night stay are suddenly 2x as expensive and tickets purchased less than 7 days in advance are suddenly 3x as expensive.

      For more info, try here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=airline+revenue+management and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management#Airlines

      I know way too much about the fare buckets and the various ways that the airlines price discriminate in order to be competitive in the leisure travel market. I also fly 2 times a week for business and have purchased tickets under just about every scenario, putting me in just about every fare bucket available.

      If you think it's a lie, I guess that's fine. But if that were the case, it's a lie that makes a ton of sense and I should probably sell my idea to one of the carriers. They'd have a huge advantage over their competitors for being able to offer much lower fares (below the per-seat cost, even!).

      As for Southwest, they have lower costs for completely different reasons. They bought oil futures just before the oil bubble, so when everyone else was paying $120/bbl for oil, Southwest was paying $40/bbl. That makes a pretty big difference. They also do not have a hub structure like legacy carriers do. They fly only to select, profitable locations and that's it. Their low fares get people driving 3 hrs to one of their airports. These are the reasons they can offer marginally lower fares than the legacy carriers.

  13. Something like the "Buy n Large" disclaimer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?"

    It depends what the terms were. Here's hoping they read the fine print before signing up.

  14. Purpose was never, well, clear by bzzfzz · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem with Clear's model is that there was never any evidence to speak of that the TSA cared about traveler's identities, at least not enough to allow them to bypass any meaningful amount of screening that they would otherwise perform. All the "Clear" screening bypassed, as far as I was ever able to determine, was the no-fly list check. As such the only advantage (unless you had a name that tended to cause false positives on the no-fly list) was that you got to cut the queue. Then you put up with the same removal of shoes, millimeter wave scan, and other indignities and fourth amendment violations as everyone else.

    1. Re:Purpose was never, well, clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you put up with the same security procedures as everyone else (I'd be concerned if it were any other way), and in fact more since you've given up your biometric info as part of the background check. The main thing Clear gave me (a regular and happy user until today :( ) was predictability on how much time I needed to get through security, i.e. no more than 5 minutes ever.

  15. Re:Security Theater by Queltor · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the people who complain about having to buy water make me laugh.

    The prohibition is on the liquid, not the container. If you want to have a bottle of water on the plane then carry an empty bottle through security. I've carried reused plastic bottles, Nalgene hiking-type bottles, and even a metal Kleen Kanteen through security without any problems. Once you're through security, find a water fountain and fill up!

    Just remember to vent the bottle once on the plane. The pressure changes can leave you with a leaking bottle.

  16. Headline Misspelling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The headline should, I believe, read 'Verified IdentiTy Pass', not 'Verified IdentiFy Pass'.

    That is all.

  17. The USSR of A by XB-70 · · Score: 1
    This is a classic case where a corporate entity is trying to facilitate exemptions to rules by collecting, providing and verifying information for the state. Control is being sold by the state in the form of workarounds to various rules and regulations. Now, with a corporate failure, for which no planning was done, liability for this information is vague at best and very troubling indeed.

    That said, I am in no way in favour of the state having biometric information on its citizens - much to the contrary. Abuses of information are becoming more and more prevalent.

    When billions are spent to 'secure' borders but nothing is done about people coming into the country carrying fatal diseases which kill far more than terrorists, where are the priorities?

    The security of biometric information should be something that is completely in control of the citizen who then releases the information at his or her discretion predicated on the legal situation that they are confronted with. i.e., I use a crypto key to release verification information to a border guard. I determine what information to release and I record the information given to me by the security personnel so that I, too, have a record of whom I was dealing with, where and when.

    A friend of mine who is a lawyer was asked at the border to produce the password to her laptop. She refused on the grounds that she had client-solicitor privileged information that the border guard was not legally allowed to see. The response was that she would not be allowed to enter the country unless the password was produced. Further to that, the laptop could be confiscated. This is a very serious and egregious erosion of our most basic rights and freedoms.

    This past month, I was driving along in upstate NY parallel to the border on the St Lawrence River. In the opposite direction, a slew of border patrol guards were amassed. They had a roadblock set up and were verifying information of people driving westbound along the road. This was in upstate NY! This is what they communists did in the U.S.S.R.!!! Wake up, folks!! This is getting very, very serious.

    We have to get away from all this knee-jerk reaction and fight hard to return true freedoms to the individual. Write your law maker. Write the press. Start political action. Motivate your friends and neighbours. You are losing freedom at a prodigious rate. Our grandfathers fought for this against Hitler. Make sure that their fight was not in vain.

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    *** Don't be dull.***
  18. Whats the point? by adosch · · Score: 1

    What did 'Clear' really accomplish other than making another specialty line for others to stand in? Even so, all Clear really confirms for me is that if you happen to have a name that easily gets associated with a terrorist on "The Watch List", then this is all that it will circumvent. Other things like making sure you booked your flight with the same name as what is on your drivers license, making sure you have all your electronic devices pulled out of their cas(es), have no liquids over 2-3oz with you and plenty of other and anything else is pretty general as far as flying and airport rules are concerned. I'd say piss poor planning or TTR-VIP (Think They Are a Very Important Person) syndrome has a lot to do with people's woes at the airport.

  19. Re:Security Theater by autocracy · · Score: 1

    +1 to that. I take an empty nalgene, unscrew it and hold it upside-down as I pass through the metal detector.

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    SIG: HUP
  20. Re:Security Theater by Omniscient+Lurker · · Score: 1

    I tried that once, they took my bottle anyway.

  21. Why should biometric be private? by Fastfwd · · Score: 1

    You would think that the secure part would be the scanner where only REAL biometrics can be input(fingerprint from a finger, not a printed paper) and matches to "public key" biometrics on file.

    1. Re:Why should biometric be private? by joedoc · · Score: 1

      Hers's how it works.

      The Clear or PT customer provides a bunch of information for a TSA background check, along with verifiable identification. A birth certificate or passport are the only primary IDs they accept, along with some official photo ID.

      After you sign up on line, you print out a form and go to the enrollment counter at the airport that has the service. They scan your irises and all fingertips. The data is then sent to Clear and burned to a chip on a smart card. The chip has the biometrics data and the necessary keys. The second issue of cards had a photo on them as well (the originals didn't).

      When you arrive at the Clear/PT gate, you show your boarding pass and inset your card into the reader. (The PT folks a Jacksonville would usually take the card and insert it after checking the photo. The Clear folks at Reagan always asked the customer to insert the card). When prompted, you placed a finger on the reader, the system scanned it, read the chip, verified you and you were on the way. If the finger scanner couldn't get a good read, they'd scan the iris instead.

      Once you're done, you proceed through the line.

      I've read some comments here about the service at some airports, but my experiences have always been very positive. The Clear employees at Reagan couldn't have been more polite and helpful, and the early morning lady at the PT line in Jacksonville got to know me on a first-name basis.

      As for the advantages of the service, yes, you do have to do the shoes/metal/laptop bit and step through whatever scanner they use. You have to do the same things as everyone else in the other lines. But you don't have the wait as you make the turtle crawl through those lines with the families and their obnoxious kids or the irregular travelers who haven't figured out the rules yet (despite the presence of shouting TSA agents telling them what to do).

      Call me an elitist, but I travel a lot, usually when I'm pretty tired, and considering the lack of fun in getting on and off planes, the faster I wade through that shit, the happier I'll be.

      I have travel routine. I do certain things *prior* to arriving at the gate (even the airport) that I know will get me to where I'm going faster. I really don't wish to put the brakes on that because of rambunctious children, strollers, and elderly people who decide to save the baggage check fees by carrying *everything* on the plane.

      It's bad enough waiting after boarding (or simply trying to get down the aisle while boarding) because some idiot filled up his rollaway suitcase so it's just a little to big to fit in the overhead without forcing it in with a crowbar, while the rest of the boarding passengers line up, waiting for you to clear the aisle.

      My big issue is traveling on Monday mornings. I live 45 minutes from the airport, and my departure times are usually between 6:30 and 7:30 AM, depending on the airline. Knowing that my wife and I can stay in bed an extra 30 minutes makes that service worthwhile.

      There's also a lot of whining here by the so-called "privacy concerned" regarding what's going to happen to the data, or why the "government" has to use the data, or why the TSA sucks, or whatever.

      First of all, as far as the TSA and their work is concerned, it is what it is. I wish it was better, or unnecessary, but there they are, and I need to get through them to get on a plane. So I deal with it. This service helps. I've personally never had an issue with them, my bags, or anything since I started using this service.

      Second, the information you provide clear is no more intrusive than the information anyone can retrieve on you for the cost of a background check fee. They ask you name, address, phone number, a few other background details, they ask to see a birth certificate or passport and some kind of official photo ID. I don't recall having to provide any information to them that I would consider particularly intrusive. Hell, I had to give up a

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      Joe Dougherty, Florida, USA
      The words I thought I brought, I left behind. So, never mind.
  22. I'm a Clear customer, but not out in the cold yet. by joedoc · · Score: 4, Informative

    I signed up for Clear last year. I live in northeast Florida but work in DC, so I fly to and from Jacksonville to Reagan in DC or BWI up in Baltimore. Reagan and Dulles had Clear lines, BWI does not.

    In Jacksonville, the service was there prior to Clear. Called Preferred Traveler, it's operated by a company called Vigilant Solutions. They always accepted my Clear credential. I contacted their office this morning via email and was informed that they are still operating and will continue to accept Clear's card at their gates. If you look at the list of their participating airports on their site, you'll see a long list. I don't know if these are their exclusive locations or ones that include Clear's lines, since I know Clear accepted their credentials as well.

    The Clear shutdown news was a shock...I thought the email I received last night was a joke or spam, until I verified the news at their website.

    Fortunately for me, I can still use my card where I need to most frequently: flying out of Jacksonville on Monday mornings. The regular security lines there can be brutally long, and using the Preferred Traveler line saves me more than 30 minutes of waiting. I can sleep later, the wife can sleep later, and I'm getting to my gate with no pressure. Worth every penny.

    My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear's operations. The service is really great.

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    Joe Dougherty, Florida, USA
    The words I thought I brought, I left behind. So, never mind.
  23. New TSA rules are likely what killed CLEAR... by ECCN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are two significant changes rolled out by TSA that are likely the cause of CLEAR to finally give up. (They have been struggling financially since inception, and had a very narrow adoption rate)... Here in Tampa, FL the TSA rolled out a new method of security line queues for travelers that segments travelers into three different classifications: * The first being an "Expert Traveler", highly familiar with TSA procedures and traveling light - they use a lane marked with a black diamond, ideally moving through security much quicker than the 'masses'; * The second being a "Casual Traveler", familiar with TSA procedures and has multiple carry-ons - they use a lane marked with a blue square; * The third category is "Family/Medical Liquids", travelers with small children, strollers, wheelchairs, medical liquids in excess of 3oz, large groups, anyone needing assitance and new flyers - they use a lane marked with green circle. Having flown out of Tampa several times sinces these have been implemented, I can say first hand they work pretty well as intended. The new "Black Diamond" lane is every bit as quick and effective as a CLEARPass lane. I have inquired and been informed that TSA is in the process of rolling this new security line queing process to most airports in the US. The second major change implemented by TSA that was likely the death knell for CLEAR is the new identification rule that went into effect on June 15th, and will beginincreased phase-in over the next 6 months. TSA now requires all tickets to be reserved/purchased in the EXACT full name that is on your government issued ID. For example, if your full legal name on your DL/Passport is Jonathan Quincy Public, but you are known by and go by Jon Public & in the past you bought your ticket for 'Jon Public', that is no longer acceptable, your ticket will now need to be issued to 'Jonathan Quincy Public'. In addition to your full legal name, when reserving/purchasing tickets you are also required to provide your date of birth and gender, two things that have never before been required. The change regarding names, gender & age are being 'rolled out' over the next 6 months. Meaning they are not required ATM, but requested & after the 6 month window they will be REQUIRED to purchase a ticket and travel through a TSA checkpoint. That last change is due to TSA taking over the process of name screening against the NO-FLY LIST during the ticket purchase/reservation stage. They are no longer allowing the airlines to be in charge of that process. That was the only real advantage CLEAR offered.... prescreened against the NO-FLY List. They had very limited effective benefits for the mass market because they were not able to get their screening locations across a wide enough array of airports and still required the same basic TSA level creening.

    1. Re:New TSA rules are likely what killed CLEAR... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      The second major change implemented by TSA that was likely the death knell for CLEAR is the new identification rule that went into effect on June 15th, and will beginincreased phase-in over the next 6 months. TSA now requires all tickets to be reserved/purchased in the EXACT full name that is on your government issued ID. For example, if your full legal name on your DL/Passport is Jonathan Quincy Public, but you are known by and go by Jon Public & in the past you bought your ticket for 'Jon Public', that is no longer acceptable, your ticket will now need to be issued to 'Jonathan Quincy Public'.

      This doesn't appear to actually be true:

      http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/index.shtm

      Q. If the name printed on my boarding pass is different than what appears on my government ID, will I still be able to fly?

      A. Boarding passes may not always display the exact name you provided when booking your travel. The name you provide when booking your travel is used to perform the watch list matching before a boarding pass is ever issued, so small differences should not impact your travel. Secure Flight is a behind-the-scenes process that TSA and airlines collaborate on to compare the information you provide against government watch lists. The additional data elements that you may be asked to provide, such as date of birth and gender, serve to better differentiate you from individuals on the government watch list.

      You should ensure that the name provided when booking your travel matches the government ID that you will use when traveling. However, TSA has built some flexibility into the processes regarding passenger name accuracy. For the near future, small differences between the passenger's ID and the passenger's reservation information, such as the use of a middle initial instead of a full middle name or no middle name/initial at all, should not cause a problem for the passenger. Over time, passengers should strive to obtain consistency between the name on their ID and their travel information.

      So eventually, maybe, they'll require it be like you said, but for now, it's not that big a deal.

      Which is good, because the DMV made a mess of my middle names on my driver license, and I can't imagine any airline employee duplicating it precisely.

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      Don't you wish your girlfriend was a geek like me?
  24. Re:Security Theater by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    I carry an empty bottled water bottle through and do the same thing. It really ticked me off the last time I flew to NY to find that the new NWA terminal at Detroit Metro has no drinking fountains on the way to the gate. I am certain this is on purpose.

  25. Re:Security Theater by pzs · · Score: 1

    Dude, there are no water fountains at UK airports. Yes, I know that sucks. Why do you think I'm bitching about it?

  26. Just Bribe them. by AndyTheCoderMan · · Score: 1

    No more than I fly, I find it much cheaper to just to slip one of the "courtesy" TSA agents $20 and tell them I'm in a hurry and they will speed you right though.

  27. Operative words: "self-select" by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, many people probably follow the Winston Zeddemore philosophy of self-selection:

    When someone asks you if you are a god, you say yes.

    If you ask someone whether they're an expert or not, many of them will say yes. More importantly, most people will just follow the person in front of them blindly, or go to the shortest line.

    1. Re:Operative words: "self-select" by Matheus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find in my travels that a lot of business travelers consider themselves experts just because they fly a lot. These are the same people who need 6 bins because they have to practically strip naked to get through the metal detector and haven't checked a bag since 1987. If it takes you any more than 30 seconds to a minute to "prep" for the check once you are in everyone's way you are doing it wrong.

      One of the best features of being Elite... you only have to wait for a short line of idiots, not the really long line of idiots.

  28. Re:I'm a Clear customer, but not out in the cold y by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I just flew out of JAX last wednsday, around 3 in the afternoon or so. Security there was terrible, and slow. Maybe 50 people or so combined in 2 lines, still took close to 20-30 minutes. The TSA guy was taking everything out of the bins, and wasnt telling people not to put what he was taking out in the bins(of course, since most people lose all common sense once setting foot on airport grounds, they were all too stupid to see what he was doing and so continued to put things in the bins that shouldnt.) I work at ATL, and the security lines there actually move really fast. Especially considering it is the busiest airport in the world.

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  29. Re:Security Theater by hemp · · Score: 1

    Same thing with Kansas City.

    Empty bottle verboten. No water fountain.

    You could of course, buy a bottle of water on the flight.

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  30. Makes sense to me by shock1970 · · Score: 1

    If you fly frequently and participate in your preferred airlines frequent flier program, once you earn a certain number of mileage credits, you usually get a preferred status which allows you to go through (often-times) shorter lines with first-class and other preferred members. No need to shell out an extra $200. Also now that the majority of the population is aware of what needs to be done when going through airport security, I've found that even the regular lines move along somewhat quickly.
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  31. A funny security theater story (OT) by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    [Bruce] Schneier took from his bag a 12-ounce container labeled "saline solution."

    "It's allowed," he said. Medical supplies, such as saline solution for contact-lens cleaning, don't fall under the TSA's three-ounce rule.

    "What's allowed?" I asked. "Saline solution, or bottles labeled saline solution?"

    "Bottles labeled saline solution. They won't check what's in it, trust me."

    They did not check. As we gathered our belongings, Schneier held up the bottle and said to the nearest security officer, "This is okay, right?" "Yep," the officer said. "Just have to put it in the tray."

    "Maybe if you lit it on fire, he'd pay attention," I said, risking arrest for making a joke at airport security. (Later, Schneier would carry two bottles labeled saline solution--24 ounces in total--through security. An officer asked him why he needed two bottles. "Two eyes," he said. He was allowed to keep the bottles.)

    Well, I thought it was funny.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security/2

  32. Re:I'm a Clear customer, but not out in the cold y by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear's operations. The service is really great.

    My hope is that someone knocks a little common-sense into congress and they stop wasting our tax dollars and our time on the TSA so everybody can go back to how things were before they created that cluster-fuck.

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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  33. Re:Security Theater by jafiwam · · Score: 0, Troll

    Brits don't brush their teeth because there are no sinks in the bathrooms? Or do they just walk around with shit and piss on their hands all the time.

    No wonder the empire collapsed, too much time on the shitter with dysentery.

  34. Re:Security Theater by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    Congratulations, sir, on completely missing the point.

  35. refunds? by shentino · · Score: 1

    Do the customers get their money back?

    1. Re:refunds? by HenryG2 · · Score: 1

      Their website says no - their financial situation does not allow them to refund any money. But they are crooks. They charged my Amex card for the $179 annual fee 1 week before shutting down. They did not bother to send the usual e-mail or invoice. I called Amex as soon as I saw the charge on my statement and requested a credit, which Amex agreed to post to my account. What I want to know is why the authorities haven't done anything on this yet. Maybe they are waiting for the damages to reach the billions of dollars before they do anything?

  36. anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    me and my wife decided to make our own clear pass. Her name is Lexi, she's 18 months old, she weighs just over 20 pounds and can get us through ANY airport in the world (heathrow, JFK, stantead,dallas,minneapolis,etc...) in absolute record time. only thing you have to do is get in line and wait for some moron around you to try to touch her, she screams like shes being murdered and we get our own escort through security. Never friggen fails.

  37. Re:Security Theater by Queltor · · Score: 1

    Not at all. I was only making a different point. Many complaints about security procedures (which resulted in CLEAR's business model) are merely personal complaints. They aren't systemic problems.

    Complain if you want, but don't be surprised when other people don't sympathize.

  38. Re:Security Theater by curunir · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought the same thing until an international flight a couple of years ago. I was flying home from Japan and knew the flight would be long and I always get dehydrated when flying, so I brought 4 empty bottles with me. This worked fine at Narita and I was able to fill one of them up for the short first leg of my flight. And it even looked like it would work at the Seoul airport since I was able to fill up all 4 once I was beyond the security checkpoint.

    But then it came time to board the airplane and there was yet another checkpoint for all flights to the US where they took all 4 of my bottles. The checkpoint was literally at the gate just before boarding the airplane, so there was no opportunity to fill the bottles beyond the checkpoint. And, of course, the flight attendant said they didn't have enough water on board to give me my own bottle.

    So yes, there are many times where you can fill up your bottle beyond the security checkpoints. But no, it's not always possible and there are instances where people have a legitimate gripe about the availability of water.

    P.S. As someone who does what you say for most flights, you can avoid the pressure issue by filling your bottle to the brim with water since the volume of water doesn't really change when the pressure changes. It's only when there's air in the bottle that you have to worry about pressure changes.

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  39. Re:Security Theater by Moridin42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know what the japanese airports have, but all I had to do was drop my soft drink onto a scanner and pick it up a couple seconds later. I assume it was some sort of chemical sniffer. Although it could certainly just been a bit of security theatre. I don't know. Slightly difficult to ask, too, when one doesn't speak the language.

    Walk through the security check point enjoying my drink, not being hassled, not throwing away a perfectly fine refreshment, not having to take my shoes off to be scanned. And the lines at Haneda for security/check-in.. far better than the ridiculous times at Newark.

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    I don't expect morality, equality, consistency, or justice from the law. I expect only legality.
  40. Whew! I almost signed up by TheSync · · Score: 1

    I was very close to signing up for Clear, but it always seemed too expensive for the value. I fly on a monthly basis, I suppose if I flew on a weekly basis I would have signed up already.

  41. FLO still going... by TheSync · · Score: 1

    It looks like FLO Card is still going. I wonder whether their operation at certain airports depended on the Clear system being functional though. There are a few other small providers of the Registered Traveler Program besides FLO and Clear. Supposedy the Registered Traveler system is interoperable at these airports.

  42. Re:Security Theater by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    ???

    That is not a different point. You are assuming the complaint about water is an issue with unbearable inconvenience. That is not right. The issue with the water ban is that it is even the slightest inconvenience without any benefit whatsoever. A cost-benefit analysis where the cost is positive and the benefit is nothing is always a loser.

  43. Re:Security Theater by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Or just fill up from bathroom taps. It's the same water, you know.

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    If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
  44. Re:Security Theater by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

    Heathrow, terminal 5. I know there's water fountains there.

  45. Farne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for one of these RT companies and let me tell you they drove us all out of business, then they pull this? I can't believe these corporations are allowed to take people's money like this. Some of you paid up to 1000 dollars for this garbage. I'm sad that these scams can exist in the open.

  46. Re: altitude and seepage by tcgroat · · Score: 1

    About the bottle and altitude effects. Use a plastic bottle and fill it not quite full. Squeeze the sides gently to displace about a third of the air, then cap it. Now you have expansion space, so your bottle won't be pressurized. You can open it safely in flight and take a drink. This also applies to toiletry items, especially if you're flying (or driving) from sea level to a high altitude city such as Denver. A tightly sealed bottle can pick up more than 2 PSI from the altitude change, helping the contents ooze out. That's why I was putting bottles into zip-lock baggies long before TSA made it mandatory.

  47. Sold to the highest bidder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The question now becomes, what happens to all that information? "

              Well, you guys gave your biometric info to a private company, that's presumably gone belly-up. Your private info will therefore be sold to the highest bidder during bankruptcy sales.

              Moral of the story: Don't give private info to some random company.