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15-Year-Old Invents Algae-Powered Energy System

Mike writes "Signaling a bright future for sustainable energy, 15-year-old Javier Fernandez-Han has created a remarkable algae-powered energy system that is capable of producing food and fuel, treating waste, containing greenhouse gases, and releasing oxygen. Dubbed the VERSATILE system, the project recently netted him a $20,000 scholarship for winning this year's Invent Your World Challenge."

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  1. Freakin' Prodigies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Making the rest of us look bad and all.

    1. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Prodigies? I'm pretty sure algae invented it.

    2. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are you talking about? The competition was "Invent Your World Challenge." Kid makes an energy system. Missed the mark entirely: algae power is not a world.

      Kid needs to pay more attention next time.

    3. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 1

      really... I mean where the pizza oven or stall for the goat?

    4. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its worse than that, he just copied some Phds work off youtube:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hioZ7C6HLs

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    5. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by wealthychef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, it has not been built yet, so "created" is too strong a word. He more like "imagined" or "designed" it. Not to say it's not impressive for a 15 year old, but it's not the salvation of the world.

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    6. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh please we all know he just looked under his bed for something at the last minute and scraped that off.

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    7. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by UttBuggly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its worse than that, he just copied some Phds work off youtube:

      From reading TFA, I'd say the kid did a little more than copy someone's work. A lot of work has been done with algae, so neither one should claim to have invented the idea of extracting fuel from it. What I see is that they invented scalable systems for doing it cheaply.

      Of the two, the kid's is theoretically "better" IMO. His vision of intended use in the 3rd world is reason enough. Even if the real cost is more like $2000 instead of $200, it's good. Just get Sally Struthers to cry on TV to raise the money.

      Of course, until he or someone actually builds a working model, it's just a neat idea. Certainly not the 2nd coming of Da Vinci or Einstein.

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    8. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. I did some designs for algae-powered energy generation when I was about that age. It's not impressive, because the concept is obvious. Algae reproduce very quickly given the right environment and is a cheap way of generating solar power. Algae blooms are caused by sewage getting in to the water supply, so feeding it with animal (including human) waste is obvious.

      Algae power is not a scientific problem, it is an engineering one. The test of any solution to an engineering problem is much simpler than for a scientific problem: Can you build it? If you can't, then it's some nice science fiction, but ultimately worthless. Going from concept to working model (energy positive over its total lifespan and low cost) is the hard part here, and when that's done the person or people responsible deserve a lot of credit.

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    9. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by mtremsal · · Score: 1

      More like a very enterprising kid than a prodigy ... which is better in a lot of ways.

    10. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Are you saying you'll flunk us if we don't change the world?

      (from 'Pay it forward')

    11. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs, meteors, God, whatever deserves a lot of credit for coming up with that scheme where most living material gets buried for millions of years and/or under a flood just so we can power society for, what, 100-200 years?

      Wait... that plan sorta sucks! The only solution left is to bury OUR society under hundreds of tones of rock and earth for our 10^5 generation grandchildren...

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    12. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The test of any solution to an engineering problem is much simpler than for a scientific problem: Can you build it safely, reliably and economically?

      FTFY.

      An engineer is someone who can make for tuppence what any siller bugger could make for a fiver, as my uncle used to say.

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    13. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      looked like a straight case of copying/plagerising [...] it is what it is - plagerism.

      You're allowed to use the same spellings as other people, that isn't counted as plagiarism.

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    14. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by DeskLazer · · Score: 1

      or a rocket sturgeon!

      I'll be here all week, try the veal.

    15. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      Of course, until he or someone actually builds a working model, it's just a neat idea. Certainly not the 2nd coming of Da Vinci or Einstein.

      I think that does make him the 2nd coming of Da Vinci or Einstein. He's not allowed to build stuff.

    16. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs, meteors, God, whatever deserves a lot of credit for coming up with that scheme where most living material gets buried for millions of years and/or under a flood just so we can power society for, what, 100-200 years?

      [Citation not desired]

      You are under the assumption that petrochemicals come from reduced plant matter. 'Tain't necessarily so, saith Ira Gershwin, although the jury still remains out on the matter of biogenic vs. abiogenic hydrocarbon material generation. The petroleum industry tends toward the biogenic thesis because it gives them reliable predictors. Others point to methane composition of solar system gas giants and ascribe a mineral origin.

      Of course, if we just wanted auto fuel, that stuff's nearly infinite in supply. Just set up a bucket brigade between here and Jupiter, send up a skimmer every month and in ten years you'll have one bucket a month forever. We'd expire from waste heat before we ran out.

      Not that that's a much better outcome, but (a) we'd still be mobile and warm for a while, and (b) we'd have at least a few of us living outside the eggshell before we used up the inside of the egg.

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    17. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by LrdDimwit · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that we need to be making Soylent Black?

    18. Re:Freakin' Prodigies... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I presume that means "... £.02 what any sillier bugger could make for £5".

      Am I correct?

  2. Re:Yawn... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pure science informs experimental science informs design engineers informs process engineers informs manufacture.

    It's a long chain to go from an abstract idea to a machine that whirrs. Yet it requires the competence, indeed, excellence of many people in many different professions.

    This is the first step. We have to be patient.

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  3. Vapourware by BierGuzzl · · Score: 3, Informative

    FTA: "The algae-powered system hasnâ(TM)t yet been built, however, and skeptics will remain until it is. Even if FernÃndez-Hanâ(TM)s design doesnâ(TM)t pan out as planned, weâ(TM)re thoroughly impressed by his innovative spirit."

    1. Re:Vapourware by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      we're thoroughly impressed by his innovative spirit.

      Lies. What really impressed them was a 9 letter acronym like VERSATILE.

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    2. Re:Vapourware by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      You can't (TM) a process. You need a patent for that.

      Someone should tell this kid.

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    3. Re:Vapourware by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      I bet you they said that to every competitor, including the idiots who brought the stupid "growing bean sprouts on a jar lid covered in cotton" second-grade science experiment.

                -dZ.

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    4. Re:Vapourware by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I was impressed with the PlayPump. You tie a bunch of kids wrists to that merry-go-round and they're going to end up looking like Conan when they grow up! That's cool, right?

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  4. "Play pump" by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    A pump powered by children playing? I did a double take when I saw that. Then there was a link to it. I tip my hat to the person who thought of that. Bloody ingenious.

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    1. Re:"Play pump" by zarzu · · Score: 1

      the play pump was definitely the oddest thing i've seen in this system and even after looking at thouse pictures (a great idea imho) i am still kind of puzzled. the play pump is needed to produce energy to power the system and other devices (like LEDs it seems) and the system returns food and compressed methane. now this is all very cool and i am sure that this is very useful, but how is this algae powered energy? i mean yes food is energy, but not in the sense we generally perceive energy and the system actual needs external energy from the pump to work.

      i am likely to have made some fatal thinking error, so please point it out to me. i don't mean to diminish this and even as a food and methane providing device it's very cool, but i don't get the energy part.

    2. Re:"Play pump" by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      I haven't studied it in depth yet, but I'd imagine it contributes a bit of energy to the system to get things running, kinda like a starter motor on a car, or a solar powered oil pump that can't wait for the oil to be extracted, refined, and fed into the pump's engine to get it working.

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    3. Re:"Play pump" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When does "play pump" end and "child labor" begin?

    4. Re:"Play pump" by syncopated · · Score: 1

      "As punishment for not doing your homework, go out and play at the Play pump for one hour so that your brother, who did his homework, can play Halo. Make sure you play hard."

    5. Re:"Play pump" by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just so long as it's not a "love pump."

      My God! With that, slashdot users could power the universe!

    6. Re:"Play pump" by catmistake · · Score: 1, Funny

      play pump... a... play... pump.... you mean masterbation could solve our energy crisis? ... did NOT see that comeing...

    7. Re:"Play pump" by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I didn't click the link. I don't want to risk a site with photo's of children using a "Play Pump".

      I'm too pretty to go to prison.

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    8. Re:"Play pump" by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      When does "play pump" end and "child labor" begin?

      I thought it was when pocket money was handed out based on the amount of "playing" that children did.

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    9. Re:"Play pump" by GaryOlson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When it stops being an activity which can create mischief --
      If we jump hard enough in unison can we create a big enough spark to ignite the methane?!
      to a chore --
      You kids won't get your allowance if you don't generate at least 5KW of power this week!

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    10. Re:"Play pump" by stuboogie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ask the kids performing "arts and crafts" at the Nike factories.

    11. Re:"Play pump" by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems to me they could put a donkey on a tether. The pumping capacity would probably be more reliable. Kids are kids, after all. For a week, maybe even a month, that merry go round will be busy during all daylight hours. After that, it'll be hit or miss, now and then. I mean, really. If I actually WANT a kid to eat ice cream, he isn't going to want any. If I WANT him to eat candy, he's going to be suspicious. Ask any parent.

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    12. Re:"Play pump" by maxume · · Score: 1

      Perhaps more methane and bio-oil (from the algae) comes out than play energy goes in?

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    13. Re:"Play pump" by noidentity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's amazing that even where water must be pumped by children on a merry-go-round, there is a big billboard with an advertisement. Sickening.

    14. Re:"Play pump" by beckett · · Score: 1

      Those photos were taken in the Democratic Republic of DeBeers though so the billboard is functional: providing shade and cover for the "Freedom Snipers".

    15. Re:"Play pump" by Zouden · · Score: 2, Informative

      The advertising supports the pump. Read the article.

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    16. Re:"Play pump" by houghi · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I actually WANT a kid to eat ice cream, he isn't going to want any. If I WANT him to eat candy, he's going to be suspicious. Ask any parent.Just tell them they are not allowed to play with it from 14:00 to 18:00.

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    17. Re:"Play pump" by Anenome · · Score: 1

      Soon to be renounced by leftist groups as 'child slavery', of course :P

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    18. Re:"Play pump" by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well, that's an easy solution, isn't it? You stop paying them. Tadaaa!

      I should apply for a job at Nike.

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    19. Re:"Play pump" by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered, as I've absolutely no knowledge of the subject, if Nike is exploiting child labour or is Nike providing shelter and entertainment for children in impoverished areas? Do the kids have a play area to relax in? Are they in education normally, or is this inaccessible? Are Nike providing education for them if it's not readily available?

      I'm reminded of the scene in Baseketball when Trey and Matt's company is blackmailed for hiring child labour; They fly over and find out it's true, and totally revamp the place with high-quality tools, proper healthcare systems, more than fair pay, benefits etc...

      My point is that if a child is willing to perform an activity anyway (as many kids build things with their hands; I played with lego for ages) why not remunerate them for it?

      Forced labour is an abhorrent activity and should be stopped, just so we're clear.

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    20. Re:"Play pump" by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about the yellow board, but the white board is information on proper hygiene, buy the look of it. Properly washing your hands seems to be the major feature.

      You don't think, in an area where "safe water" pretty much means "If you didn't just pass, you can drink it"*, kids need to know this information?

      * Speculation, but I'm guessing I'm not far off the mark if they need a pump like this.

      FYI the article states that half of the four-sided boards are for local company advertisments, the other half are public welfare (hygiene, sanitation, instruction etc).

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    21. Re:"Play pump" by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      But what if you don't have and can't afford a donkey? Children on the other hand, are everywhere! Just tether them to the pump, et voilá.

            -dZ.

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    22. Re:"Play pump" by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      It's actually a very old technology. Here is a picture

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    23. Re:"Play pump" by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Just because they don't have infrastructure doesn't mean that they don't need and buy things. Advertising isn't always evil... note how one of the sides says "Wash your hands"? Just because the soap maker wants you to wash your hands doesn't mean that it's a bad idea.

    24. Re:"Play pump" by Franklin+Brauner · · Score: 1

      How much would like to wager that eventually there's a mule (or ox, or something) hooked up to that thing? (It's cool regardless.)

  5. Nothing new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An anaerobic digester for sewage and food scraps

    Isn't that basically what Cowboy Neal is?

  6. Biological systems suck by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    Farming is a noble occupation, but if you have to spend time tending a biological system when a chemical system will work flawlessly without any monitoring, well, that's why we make chemical systems instead of just using biological ones.

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    1. Re:Biological systems suck by oneirophrenos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Farming is a noble occupation, but if you have to spend time tending a biological system when a chemical system will work flawlessly without any monitoring, well, that's why we make chemical systems instead of just using biological ones.

      Don't all systems require monitoring? Besides, biology is just applied chemistry. There are applications where chemical processes are just too complex for us to manage, so we have cells managing it for us, like in composting.

    2. Re:Biological systems suck by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Yep. And chemical systems do so much better unmonitored...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Refinery_(BP)#Explosion

      But that was just an anomaly...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_disasters

    3. Re:Biological systems suck by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Ya, thing is.. no-one really understands biological systems. There's just so many variables. So you might get a biological system that works just fine.. and then winter comes and it stops.

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    4. Re:Biological systems suck by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Farming is a noble occupation

      No, farming is what commoners do. Warring and collecting tax and rent are noble occupations.

      Jeez, you guys have been without a proper monarchy for so long you've forgotten the basics.

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    5. Re:Biological systems suck by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I agree - chemical systems are wonderful. Without farm chemicals and sewer runoff, we couldn't have that really neat dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, not to mention other similar zones around the world. Beautiful stuff, chemicals.

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    6. Re:Biological systems suck by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1
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  7. Mutant! by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Funny

    This kid is obviously the love child of Jon Katz and Natalie Portman.

    1. Re:Mutant! by Slur · · Score: 2, Funny

      This kid is obviously the love child of Dean Kamen and HRP-4C.

      There, fixed that for you.

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    2. Re:Mutant! by protest_boy · · Score: 2, Informative
  8. And now the punch line of the article? by EkriirkE · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The algae-powered system hasnâ(TM)t yet been built..."

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  9. There's only by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One small caveat:

          "The algae-powered system hasn't yet been built, however..."

          Another minor little detail:

          "and the PlayPump, which uses energy derived from children playing to power the system."

          I assume the children will volunteer to "play" at this "play pump" which I bet will be much more fascinating than say, Nintendo or beating up on little Timmy, or whatever their regular activities are.

          Or is this a device in fact powered by child labor? Perhaps it will go over big in China and Malaysia.

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    1. Re:There's only by basementman · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they will eventually make a model that's powered on beating the crap out of the geeky kids at school soon. Every slashdotters dream.

    2. Re:There's only by BikeHelmet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, look at the horrible child labour going on.

      Side note: RTFA. The link was right there!

    3. Re:There's only by copponex · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a merry-go-round. Kids spin around, laugh, and spin some more all the time at local parks in the States. Even in China and Malaysia, when they're not manufacturing Nikes for pennies per hour, I'm sure they might like to feel like normal children, and play outside on a merry-go-round.

      If it suits you to be a non-contributing little shit and sneer at anyone who tries, then so be it. But at least stay quiet while you're doing it.

    4. Re:There's only by cplusplus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Play pumps are being installed in many places in Africa, and have been for over 5 years now. They're a pretty big success so far. Frontline on PBS did a piece a while ago about them: FRONTLINE - South Africa

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    5. Re:There's only by cyberjape · · Score: 1

      I assume the children will volunteer to "play" at this "play pump" which I bet will be much more fascinating than say, Nintendo or beating up on little Timmy, or whatever their regular activities are.

      Oh I see what you are saying in developing countries where water is rare Nintendo is common.

    6. Re:There's only by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      They have to pump their own water... do you really think they have many Nintendos? Are you stupid, or do you just act that way?

  10. Re:Yawn... by phantomcircuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isnt even close to a first step. I mean seriously he's 15.

    All that he has done here is take a bunch of stuff that is known to work, but not economically, and tied it all together with a pretty diagram. Nothing new has happened here, a nerdy kid who almost certainly has parents who work in the field have produced something of no value.

  11. Re:Yawn... by Requiem18th · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pure science informs experimental science informs design engineers informs process engineers informs manufactures informs patent lawyers informs researchers with C&D forms

    Fixed that for you.

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  12. He's a 15yo boy... by bhsx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are 5 replies above my threshold. All of them are ripping this apart as fancy. He's a 15-year old kid who took a lot of interesting technologies and thought of a way to chain them together to achieve a net benefit. What did you guys do? You're assholes.

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    1. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who gives a rip if it was thought up by a 15 year old boy? His age doesn't change the facts of the matter one bit.

    2. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by alienzed · · Score: 1

      *clap* *clap* , etc...

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    3. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

      chain them together to achieve a net benefit.

      Throw linux and a toaster into that chain and we're on board.

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    4. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm 17 and I don't consider this a huge feat.

      You know those blogs that do nothing but push glossy "concept" renders of future products? Those flexible curved solar powered laptops with a few multitouch screens thrown in for laughs? I am sure I am not alone in that I die a little inside when I see the comments praising them. All I am thinking is "How are you supposed to stick a curved laptop into a backpack?".

      This is like that except on an even greater scale. You throw in a few buzz words, some hokey pokey vaporware and make a nice powerpoint presentation of something neither plausible nor useful.

      My grade 6 science project involved keeping a single fish alive for a few months in a fish tank without any filtration or water changes by growing terrestrial plants in the same water. Sure, I forgot to use the word "bioreactor" and I didn't have any flowcharts but on the other hand I actually made something that worked.

      You say he "Took a lot of interesting technologies and chained them together", but how is this remarkable in any way? There is no innovation here, just a giant mess of ideas, some practical, most not (Using children to power a pump as a long term solution? Really?).

      Just another life lesson: Being practical gets you a plastic medal, spooning bullshit makes you rich. (But I'll be honest, I already knew that)
      The only genius here is that he figured out you can get twenty thousand dollars for this drivel.

    5. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mainly because I am more interested in the technology, and really don't care how old the guy is. If it works, that's great! I don't really care if the guy who did it is 5 years old or 60. If it doesn't work......then it's just another non-starter technology that made it to the front page of slashdot.

      Besides, when was the last time you saw a slashdot discussion where everyone wasn't criticizing everyone else? It's kind of our default mode, unfortunately.

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    6. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by BookMama · · Score: 1

      I agree with your comment, though not sure I'd sink to the namecalling.
      It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena...

      It's easy to be the critic and say that the kid invented nothing and didn't actually implement anything. But he made a proposal, thought of an idea, documented it to
      1) possibly win a scholarship
      2) contribute an idea that he felt could help the planet
      And so I will applaud his efforts.

    7. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Bitter much?

      If you'd have thought of it, you'd be laughing all the way to the bank. Too bad your fish wasn't worth $20k, eh?

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    8. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      We criticize his idea, you know, scientific method and all that.

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    9. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by dzfoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I say, chain them to the PlayPump!
              http://www.inhabitots.com/2009/03/05/play-pump-the-merry-go-round-water-pump/

              -dZ.

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    10. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. Half of the people here will insist that they were misunderstood geniuses when they were children and the only reason they never came up with anything remotely interesting or original in their lives is because The Man crushed their spirits and turned them into underachieving misanthropes who can only get jobs working help desk.

      The other half will loudly pipe up any time there's a poorly written article (so, all the time) that mischaracterizes some new development in science, pointing out the "obvious" flaws that the hundreds of PhD's involved in the project couldn't possibly have been aware of or understood. They also work help desk, but they haven't been turned into bitter, soulless things in vaguely human form yet.

      The final half are the geek-lites, like me, who are bad at maths, either work in graphic design or the "soft" sciences, and are probably typing their replies on a Mac while sitting at a café. We're only bitter when our foreign language fashion magazines fail to impress those around us.

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      Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
    11. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There are 5 replies above my threshold. All of them are ripping this apart as fancy. He's a 15-year old kid who took a lot of interesting technologies and thought of a way to chain them together to achieve a net benefit. What did you guys do? You're assholes.

      The problem isn't that this isn't an impressive achievement for a 15 year old. The problem is that it's actually not that good. For instance, it uses flush toilets. Anyone who's actually been interested in green solutions for any length of time knows that composting toilets are more environmentally positive; they take your poop and turn it into soil for free. With a little more experience (or perhaps research) he could have discovered that people have been working on this since long before he was alive, and some of his notions are wasteful. Again, that's okay; he's fifteen. But it's still not news. He's not going to help the world, sorry.

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    12. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Who gives a rip if it was thought up by a 15 year old boy? His age doesn't change the facts of the matter one bit.

      Uhhhh...one of the facts of the matter is that it was thought up by a 15 year old boy. Some of us who have an interest in the though processes that lead to successful problem solving find that interesting, an example of "beginner's mind" and a generalist approach.

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    13. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

      Isn't that a good thing? Surely his system can make good use of large numbers of assholes.

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    14. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      You assume he has actually solved the problems - given that it is entirely untested, I find that highly unlikely. Further, our comments on the potential problems with the scheme don't affect your ability to analyze his thought 'processes' one bit.
       
      So take your bullshit elsewhere and learn to think yourself before studying a process with which you are obviously unfamiliar.

    15. Re:He's a 15yo boy... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      You assume he has actually solved the problems - given that it is entirely untested, I find that highly unlikely.

      I make no such assumption. Learning about problem solving, or any creative process, includes learning how potential solutions are generated. Genius may be "1% inspiration and 99% perspiration", but any fool can sweat, it's that 1% that makes a genius.

      (Of course, Edison -- attributed as the source of the 99%/1% meme -- was notably lacking in inspiration, and stole many of the ideas he's best known for, so the perspiration in his case may just be the sweaty hands of a con man who fears to be found out.)

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  13. Oooh... How I have got the fish tank for him! by spafbi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since his system uses algae, I bet my fish tank could feed and power a small country.

    1. Re:Oooh... How I have got the fish tank for him! by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Fish tank? Fuck that, I've got a swimming pool, and I'll be damned if I didn't come home from vacation last weekend and find it glowing green like a vat of toxic waste. I had no idea there were options other than dumping several pounds of chlorine in the pool.

  14. Re:Yawn... by Jurily · · Score: 5, Funny

    All that he has done here is take a bunch of stuff that is known to work, but not economically, and tied it all together with a pretty diagram.

    I do that too, just not with diagrams. I'm a programmer.

  15. damned ambitious parents by onionlee · · Score: 2, Funny

    posting about their kids on /. ....

    1. Re:damned ambitious parents by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      And on that topic, I wonder what his dad does for a living....

      Cynical, moi?

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  16. Re:Yawn... by steveha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All that he has done here is take a bunch of stuff that is known to work, but not economically, and tied it all together with a pretty diagram. Nothing new has happened here

    I think you are being needlessly harsh here.

    His key contribution was to think: "How many things can I chain together so that the waste from one thing feeds something else?" Thus, methane from the digester powers cooking stoves; carbon dioxide from the burned methane feeds algae. I've heard of methane digesters, I've heard of cooking stoves, and I've heard of algae; I haven't heard of an integrated system like this.

    If you RTFA, he relates a story about how the gift of a fresh water system to a poor village had an unfortunate side effect: the extra water the village used caused their sewage system to be overloaded. Their "system" was to put their sewage in buckets and dump out the buckets; they ended up with raw sewage running in their streets. He consciously tried to design a system that has no negative effects. (And that's probably an inspiration for including the flush latrines in his design, latrines that feed the digester and/or the algae.)

    Even if his design turns out to be flawed, the flaws might be fixable or at least the idea might inspire an experienced engineer to design something even better.

    I didn't invent anything this clever when I was 15. How about you?

    steveha

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  17. The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Eventually, this kid will become a patent attorney like the rest of them.

    1. Re:The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by thesp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am a patent attorney [obligatory "you insensitive clod"] before the British and European Patent Offices. Please excuse the slightly off-topic comment, but I'm not sure we're all particularly evil. I see a lot of patent-attorney bashing here on Slashdot. Mostly what we actually do is provide the best possible advice to our clients based on the current state of the law, and argue their case for them in what has evolved to be a very complex legal system. At the same time, we have a fun job which involves dealing with five or so different technologies on our desks on a daily basis, getting up to speed with them quickly and then thinking up detailed and powerful legal and technical arguments to deploy as to why our client's technology might just be worth the grant of a 20-year monopoly, or conversely, why our client's competitor's technology isn't. Most of us have higher technical qualifications, as well as our legal training. In many ways, it's a geek's dream...

      Now, the people to whinge about are a) the legislators, and b) the patent offices themselves, who don't always do the best job of examining the patent applications as rigorously as they could. At least the situation is a bit better here in the EU than in the States, though, where as soon as a patent examiner gets any good he goes and qualifies as an attorney...

    2. Re:The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've seen any other patent attorney bashing on Slashdot before. I was considering it as a career before I went to university and did an internship in that direction, and it seems like a great profession for geeks. The only downside is that you have to spend all of your time interacting with a fundamentally broken system which, I discovered, was not something I wanted to put up with. Once we've got some major reforms to the current IP system (not just patents, although they've been in need of a significant overhaul for about 50 years now) then I might consider it as a career path again. There's a lot of patent examiner bashing, but I think you'd find it hard to argue that this isn't justified...

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    3. Re:The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

      The only downside is that you have to spend all of your time interacting with a fundamentally broken system which, I discovered, was not something I wanted to put up with.

      I think you've just described the common denominator underlying the frustrations of every single major profession.

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    4. Re:The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I am a patent attorney...

      I got this far, and then the whole screen turned into blood-red text saying "REDRUM REDRUM REDRUM REDRUM"

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    5. Re:The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      You gotta keep in mind, though, that /. is mostly US-centric. In my experience as patent engineer working german and european cases (dreaded EQE coming up next year, urgh...), the european system is way more sane than the american one. So most of the patent bashing is caused by some excesses of wierdness which are more or less US-specific. Apart from that, the usual patent discussion on /. has about the same merit as a discussion between pure lawyers about networking technology would have...

      I definitely agree with the rest of your post, anyway. It is a geek's dream, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

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    6. Re:The absolutely necessary obnoxious remark... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      At the same time, we have a fun job which involves dealing with five or so different technologies on our desks on a daily basis, getting up to speed with them quickly and then thinking up detailed and powerful legal and technical arguments to deploy as to why our client's technology might just be worth the grant of a 20-year monopoly, or conversely, why our client's competitor's technology isn't. Most of us have higher technical qualifications, as well as our legal training. In many ways, it's a geek's dream...

      Just 5? I generally deal with 5 'new' technologies before I even GET to my desk.

      If you have higher technical qualifications then why did your group allow such a shitty patent system to form and evolve into what it is. Let me guess, now you have an excuse for why you didn't have anything to do with it.

      You blame it on the legislators and the patent offices, that must be hard. I mean, in my job I've always found it easier to do my job than blame it on the other guy.

      Your post sounds like a sales pitch, and its not even a good one.

      I am not a patent attorney. I have however gotten more patents granted without one than with, I've done your job, its not really that hard.

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  18. Cool, he invented the sea. by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    I think God Neptune already holds a patent on that one.

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    1. Re:Cool, he invented the sea. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      He does have a case for prior art. Besides, there's a precedent for suing Deities

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  19. Re:Yawn... by jadedoto · · Score: 1

    âoeDiscovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thoughtâ. --Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

  20. Re:Yawn... by stuboogie · · Score: 1

    You don't use UML diagrams?

  21. 2 words... by denzacar · · Score: 1
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  22. Re:Yawn... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    "This is the first step. We have to be patient."

    In light of so many discussions on ./ I feel it necessary to fix your statement.

    "This is the first step. We have to get patent."

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  23. Better yet... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    1. Remove merry-go-round

    2. Install a HAWT, or VAWT such as the dirt-cheap Savonius turbine

    3. Child labor issues go bye-bye

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    1. Re:Better yet... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      That's so HAWT.

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  24. Re:Yawn... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

    Steve? Shouldn't you be in the hospital?

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  25. Re:Yawn... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    You don't use UML diagrams?

    You do?!

    I'm impressed! You deserve a pat on the head. ;)

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  26. Re:Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I didn't invent anything this clever when I was 15. How about you?

    By 15, I was already able to launch squirrels more than 200 metres!

  27. Re:Yawn... by cptdondo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think in a lot of ways it's brilliant. In others, it's way short, but then again, he's 15. He's more creative than half the $150/hr consultants we hire, that's for sure.

    Seriously, though, we (the sewage district I work for) are looking at micro-treatment - treatment at the point of source for sewage. Lots of reasons but google for PECs (Pollutants of Emerging Concern) if you really want to know why. Eventually we see large scale municipal plants going away and micro-plants with instant recycling being the norm.

    This kid is just about 20 years ahead of his time. I want stock in his company.

  28. Slashdot: News for aAngry Nerds. by karlwilson · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's the problem here? Slashdot: News for aAngry Nerds.

  29. Re:Yawn... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    I use conventional flowcharts.

    It's really a valuable aid.

    Then you turn that into blocks of comments and add the assembly language statements around the comments.

  30. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Acapulco · · Score: 4, Funny
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  31. Saudiswillkillhim tag by GabriellaKat · · Score: 1, Interesting

    More likely the oil companies will bury everything he invented and give him enough money to disappear. Just like those darn pesky inventions that were claimed to give your car 100mpg back in the 80s and 90s. IF they were ever real.... And let us not forget the 100mpg diesel motorcyle that is currently only sold to the US Military. When will those ever be allowed to be sold to the public? The one made by Hayes Diversified Tech. Everything good is always suppressed (meaning delayed, bought out, or just plain disappears). Good luck with this one!

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    1. Re:Saudiswillkillhim tag by harl · · Score: 2, Informative

      What are you talking about?

      You can buy a Hyosung GT-250 Comet for ~$2,700.

      They get around 112.9 mpg with standard gas.

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    2. Re:Saudiswillkillhim tag by Nocturna81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.dieselmotorfiets.nl/ Here you go, this is the place they make them. And guess what, it's for sale for 17500 euros. Do you have any other Myths you need Busted(TM) ?

  32. Re:Yawn... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And I thought of hybrid vehicles when I was eight and wanted to power my gocart with 3/4 hp electric saw motor, powered by a lawnmower engine running as a generator. But the point is that while you and I were out playing, other people were doing something with their ideas.

    Ideas are cheap. It's taking them to the next logical step (even if that's just a well-thought-out formal design) that differentiates the people who win $20,000 scholarships from those who go outside to play.

  33. Re:Yawn... by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you don't produce anything of value? I wouldn't be bragging about that.

    I do, I just don't write a new operating system for every new project.

  34. Re:Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You use comments and assembly language? Real Programmers use a hex editor and write the machine code directly!
    ...
    You use a hex editor? Real Programmers....
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  35. Re:Yawn... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    It's a long chain to go from an abstract idea to a machine that whirrs.

    Whirrs? I want a machine that goes ping. ;-)

    Cheers

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  36. Re:Yawn... by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I want stock in his company.And that will probably be the reason why it will fail if there is a company that does that. The idea was about doing something without waste. The comapny will be there to make money.
    Give the idea to the world and let EVERYBODY play with it. Universities in Africa, Asia and the rest can then work out a working model. Please let not one company take away this idea and then patent it into oblivion.

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  37. Re:Yawn... by Subverted · · Score: 1

    I didn't invent anything this clever when I was 15. How about you?

    steveha

    Uhh... At 15 I had built my own taser, a rail gun, an air cannon that shot projectiles over 200 yards, and a trebuchet that threw golf balls the same distance. All this from seeing the things work and going out to figure out how to build them.

    Not exactly something amazing for a 15 y/o to do. Anyone can string together ideas and concepts, yes, even kids younger than him.

    Im not really all that impressed by it, but I am impressed every time I see a kid help someone for no reason other than to help, every time I see kids out volunteering because they want to, and every time I see a kid that stands up for another kid. Those are things that not all kids can do. Lets give those kids some support before we go off praising a kid for doing something every human can do.

  38. Slashdotters pooh-poohing an enterprising kid... by vorlich · · Score: 1

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.

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  39. Re:Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Uhh... At 15 I had built my own taser, a rail gun, an air cannon that shot projectiles over 200 yards, and a trebuchet that threw golf balls the same distance. All this from seeing the things work and going out to figure out how to build them.

    None of these meet my standard for "genius" but I think maybe you did make it to "clever". But you have to admit, figuring out how to build cool stuff you have seen work is one thing; coming up with something really new is another. (And yes, a new way to chain together existing things does qualify as "really new".)

    Not exactly something amazing for a 15 y/o to do. Anyone can string together ideas and concepts, yes, even kids younger than him.

    There is a $20,000 scholarship that says some other people disagree with you.

    Im not really all that impressed by it, but I am impressed every time I see a kid help someone for no reason other than to help, every time I see kids out volunteering because they want to, and every time I see a kid that stands up for another kid. Those are things that not all kids can do. Lets give those kids some support before we go off praising a kid for doing something every human can do.

    Here, this kid came up with a clever way to help the truly poor, and you are chiding him for not doing enough. "Lets give those kids some support"? This kid's design may get enough support to actually be deployed in Africa... would that be enough to impress you, or would you need more? "something every human can do"?!? Lots of humans are dumber than a bag of bricks. Many humans are not all that dumb, but don't bother to invent anything new. This kid set out to invent something cool, and in my book he succeeded.

  40. No overlords? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Were are my algae-powered overlords! I want my overlords! Now, you insensitive clods! *cries*

    And
    1. a beowulf-cluster of
    2. soviet-russian transparent pink
    3. unicorn pony sharks, that must be new here, run Linux, have frickin' laser-beams on their horns
    4. ...
    5. and give me PROFIT,
    while you're at it?

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    1. Re:No overlords? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Were are my algae-powered overlords! I want my overlords! Now, you insensitive clods! *weeeeeep*

      Fixed that for you! :)

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  41. Re:Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think in a lot of ways it's brilliant. In others, it's way short, but then again, he's 15. He's more creative than half the $150/hr consultants we hire, that's for sure.

    ...send him to college. that's where he will learn how not to be creative.

  42. Re:Yawn... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

    I remember reading about that sort of thing in National Geographic in the 80s (micro-plants etc). Deserves the prize? Maybe. 20 years ahead. No.

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  43. Re:Slashdotters pooh-poohing an enterprising kid.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Enterprising kids build things. Mediocre kids create marketing materials. Below-average adults give scholarships to mediocre kids. I don't think we're pooh-poohing the kid; I'd be surprised if a few hundred Slashdotters didn't design something similar at the same ages, but didn't think we should be rewarded for it because we didn't solve the massive engineering problems in building such a system (and neither did this kid). We're decrying the kind of society that rewards this more than building things that actually work.

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  44. Re:Yawn... by Alrescha · · Score: 1

    "I didn't invent anything this clever when I was 15. How about you?"

    I could tell you what all the complainers were doing when they were 15, but I'm sure you know already...

    A.

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  45. Participation by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    True to form to our educational system, he got the same blue ribbon for "participation", along with all the other hundreds of "winners".

              -dZ.

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  46. Re:Yawn... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    >> Pure science informs experimental science informs design engineers informs process engineers informs manufacture.

    Long chains work a lot better with commas. I'm just saying...

          -dZ.

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  47. Re:Yawn... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    >> I didn't invent anything this clever when I was 15. How about you?

    At 15, I designed an Analog-To-Digital converter, a signal sampler, and an analog harmonizer (I was a DJ, and dabbled in sound design and basic electronics). All in theory, of course, but completely isolated from any real world implementations, to which I was never exposed by that time.

    I would never had been able to build any of those systems, nor trully understand or appreciate the intricacies and complexities of the engineering challenges they involved. But my insight into their basic theoretical workings turned out to be correct, and in a way, obvious.

    This is what 15 year old kids do. I still don't think I was any more special for this.

    However, when I hear of a 15 year kid who designs and builds his own computer or something like that--you know, someone who solved the engineering problems and actually understood the real world application of his theory and all its dependencies and challenges--that I think is very impressive.

            -dZ.

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  48. Re:Yawn... by gnupun · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but are any of those things useful? A lot of patents are for products that have no consumer demand.

  49. Re:Yawn... by EWAdams · · Score: 1

    Pure science informs experimental science informs design engineers informs process engineers informs manufacture.

    And along the way marketing gets involved and turns a beautiful idea into a pile of underperforming, overpriced crap with go-faster stripes painted on the side to make it look cool. And NASA gets involved and makes you change your sensible metric measurements into furlongs and hogsheads.

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  50. Re:Yawn... by ivucica · · Score: 1

    Z80 - a Z-80 based computer. He built it when he was 15 :-)

  51. Re:All he's done? by gnupun · · Score: 1

    He's also won $20,000 in scholarship money.

    He got ripped off.. like taking candy from a kid. A patent would have earned him millions.

  52. Re:Yawn... by ivucica · · Score: 2, Informative

    Y'mean, s/ informs /, informs /g?

  53. And where is 'Engineering'? by PinkyDead · · Score: 1

    Oh wait - I forgot, it's just un-applied sociology.

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  54. It runs off Children by TheFakeMcCoy · · Score: 1

    Sure there is alge in there somewhere but what about the Playdump part that runs off of the energy released from childen playing, sound like some grimm's fairy tale stuff to me. The alge probably draws power from the childrens souls... but of course that's on the back of the diagram

  55. Time from drawing to prototype by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    When I was at school, two kids built a working hydrogen/oxygen fuel cell as part of their Physics A level project- actually working, not a picture. That was shortly before the first moon landing, forty years ago.

    It's turned out to be incredibly hard to commercialise fuel cells. Algal conversion is much closer to commercialisation, but it's going to take a long time to scale.

    So yes it's good that kids are interested, but no, getting from picture to income is hard. I would be more impressed if he had actually been able to build an algal digester in the lab using Quickfit glassware, because then he would have some notion of the difference between idea and reality.

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  56. Re:Yawn... by Draek · · Score: 1

    There are, essentially, two kinds of progress: that of taking something that came before and making it better, and that of taking two things that came before and making them work together.

    Plus, your argument "he's 15, therefore this doesn't work", well, doesn't work. Provide substantial criticisms or take your angst elsewhere, thank you.

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  57. Re:Yawn... by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    Lots of reasons but google for PECs (Pollutants of Emerging Concern) if you really want to know why.

    From a quick Google, I assume you mean "Emerging Pollutants of Concern", or "EPOCs".

    Apologies for the pedantry, I just didn't want everyone else to be googling PECs and coming up dry like me!

  58. Re:Yawn... by sherriw · · Score: 1

    Excellent post. I don't understand where all the negative comments are coming from. Oh wait, this is /.

  59. Re:Yawn... by steveo777 · · Score: 1

    Writing in assembly language was one of my favorite things to do back in college. That was around '02!

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  60. Re:Yawn... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    TFA is now Slashdotted, so:

    Does he cover the sterility issue with algae? Based on the literature I've read so far, one of the primary challenges with algae-based biofuels is that the algae species that are good for biofuel production are at a competitive disadvantage to other algae species that basically suck for the purposes of biofuel production.

    Thus it's really easy for a bioreactor to get contaminated and stop producing anything useful.

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  61. Good for him! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Finally alternative sources and original to boot!

  62. Re:Yawn... by cptdondo · · Score: 1

    You're absolutely right... In the industry, we call them PECs. In the regulatory world, they call them EPOCs. Go figure.

  63. Space Colonization tech by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

    Sounds like this stuff would be perfect for long duration space missions if it can work in Zero-G.

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  64. Re:Yawn... by skinfaxi · · Score: 1

    Writing in assembly language was one of my favorite things to do back in college. That was around '02!

    At 97, you may qualify for a prize for oldest Slashdotter!

  65. Re:Yawn... by Miseph · · Score: 1

    "And NASA gets involved and makes you change your sensible metric measurements into furlongs and hogsheads."

    That's because real men are concerned with how many stones we can move one furlong on a hogshead of fuel, only whiners and frogs want metric. Oh, and anyone who isn't a raving psychopath or ultra-nationalist whack job. They don't count though, because this is America, land of the raving and home of the Whopper.

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  66. Holy crap, it's a SAMPO by AugstWest · · Score: 1

    ...or at least its modern equivalent.

  67. Re:Yawn... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

    Your math sucks, 97 would be 1912, not '02. He also says that in '02 he was in college, so his birthday is well before that.

  68. I invented this 10 years ago.... by nullkill · · Score: 1

    Only back then; it consisted of a paper mache cylinder; red food coloring; baking soda and vinegar.

  69. Re:Yawn... by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

    Well, when the oil runs out there won't be any power to run the courts, so no more lawsuits! :)

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  70. Re:Yawn... by Pentavirate · · Score: 1

    Seriously, though, we (the sewage district I work for) are looking at micro-treatment - treatment at the point of source for sewage.

    Maybe this could be helpful to you.

  71. Re:Yawn... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

    Writing in assembly language was one of my favorite things to do back in college. That was around '06!

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  72. Re:Yawn... by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    Flamebait? really? It was a joke!

    Woooooosh!

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