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Domain-Name Wars, Rise of the Cybersquatters

CWmike writes "When FreeLegoPorn.com began publishing pornographic images created with Lego toys, Lego acted quickly. "The content available on the site consisted of animated mini-figures doing very explicit things. We were not amused," says Peter Kjaer, an attorney for Denmark-based Lego. Lego didn't go to court. Instead it filed a complaint with the World Intellectual Property Organization, which ruled in its favor. The domain registrar for FreeLegoPorn.com, GoDaddy.com, eventually shut down the site and transferred the domain name to Lego under ICANN rules. But it's not just Lego and Verizon that are suffering. Green energy is a hot topic, so cybersquatters have been targeting wind and solar energy start-ups. And malicious sites can create havoc with a brand's reputation. Cybersquatting activity rose by 18% last year, with a documented 440,584 cybersquatting sites in the fourth quarter of last year alone, according to MarkMonitor's annual Brandjacking Index report. And WIPO cited an 8% jump in dispute filings in 2008, to 2,329 complaints — a new record. Now, ICANN is preparing to open a potentially unlimited number of new top-level domains as early as the first quarter of 2010."

183 comments

  1. freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Delusion_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting. It's parody. The difference is crucial.

    Just because a rights-holder says otherwise doesn't make it so.

    1. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Parody doesn't protect the clearly illegal use of Lego's trademarked name.in the domain name.

    2. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, it does.

    3. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Delusion_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trademark infringement should definitely be protected by fair use. Parody is fair use. The courts have not been consistent on this issue, however.

    4. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trademarks protects the use of marks in trade, not domain names.

    5. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously suggesting that freelegoporn.com was NOT intended to be a money-making venture?

    6. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Trademarks are certainly not protected by fair use. Fair use is an affirmative defense in copyright infringement cases, not trademark infringement cases. A company that registers a trademark must, by law, defend that trademark in court against all infringers it has knowledge of.

    7. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Delusion_ · · Score: 1

      I never saw the site, and the article didn't mention whether or not they were making money or if it was someone's parody.

      But what I am seriously suggesting is that this is still not the same thing as "cybersquatting". Cybersquatting implies that what you are really trying to sell is the domain name, and that's the reason you've registered it.

      I'm pretty sure "freelegoporn.com" wasn't a master plan to trick Lego (or anyone else) into buying their domain.

    8. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    9. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Fair use" is one of those things you can't really determine until you go to court. Granted - that's sort of the way it is with anything that involves a court. But fair use is nebulous and tends to shift from court case to court case.

      Parody has been held as fair use. But even parody has limits. Ask the Penny Arcade guys about their infamous Strawberry Shortcake strip. American Greetings came after them for use of the Strawberry Shortcake character. Their intent, if I remember right, was to use a popular 80s icon to parody American McGee's treatment of another childhood favorite - Alice in Wonderland. Penny Arcade's lawyer recommended they give in. If the Penny Arcade guys were parodying Strawberry Shortcake, they might have had reasonable footing to start their fight. But as they were parodying American McGee, it didn't give them license to use Strawberry Shortcake under fair use. Again - they could certainly take it to court as you can't really tell how a fair use suit will shake out until you do. But following their lawyers' advice isn't a bad idea.

      Lego porn? I'd expect the issue to be similar. Are they really parodying Lego? Or using the Lego brand to parody something else?

    10. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Delusion_: freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting. It's parody. The difference is crucial.

      Just because a rights-holder says otherwise doesn't make it so.

      Seconded. In fact, I remember another case where the court—wrongly—grabbed a domain name simply because of its resemblance to another site: etoy.com vs. etoys.com. etoy came first, but somehow eToys managed to suck up to a judge and lay claim to etoy.com, however temporarily. It may have had something to do with the fact that eToys thought it had a trademark for a vibrant, useful commerce site while that Johnny-come-earlier was pushing that wishy-washy pinko art.

      This is the sort of thing the judiciary has to consider carefully when looking at a case where domain names rub a little too close together. And with the press continuing for domain names, the situation will only get worse.

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    11. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you said it before i could =(

    12. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech should have.

    13. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by cromar · · Score: 1

      What is illegal is not necessarily wrong. I'm tired of the corporate nobility taking our natural rights from us. Natural rights like parodying those in power. As far as I'm concerned all parody should be 100% protected from IP concerns.

    14. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Parody doesn't protect the clearly illegal use of Lego's trademarked name.in the domain name."

      Sure it does. If you're not allowed to use a trademarked name, how are you supposed to parody it?
      Substitute freepopularplastictoyblockporn.com and hope that people get the connection?
      You're basing your argument on the premise that domain names aren't speech, but they are.

      The fact that you can print a domain name on a T-shirt or that you can create an alternative domain name
      like freepopularplastictoyblockporn.com is proof that domain names are speech, and should thus be protected.
      (At least, in U.S. courts). WIPO's another story.

    15. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trademarks can be used when commenting on the item in question. Parody is a form of comment.

    16. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. Fair use is also a defense in trademark infringement cases. Fair use of a trademark includes things such as descriptive use, e.g. "Similar to Kleenex", use in advertising by resellers, and a whole host of other things.

      The article Fair Use of Trademarks is a good read on the subject.

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    17. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Yes it does.

      Provided people are aware that it is porn made by a third party with lego bricks, and not something that Lego is doing themselves, there is no infringement.

    18. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I entirely agree - moreover, I would say the cybersquatters here are Lego. They're the ones who stole someone else's domain name. And are they now doing anything with the URL? Nope. That's squatting.

    19. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      But trademark law doesn't prevent any use of the word at all - this isn't like patent or copyright law. It only affects commercial usage. After all, I can say Lego Lego Lego here all I like, without being in violation of trademark law - it's only when I sell something called "Lego" that I risk a lawsuit.

      In this case, it's unclear that there website was commercial - given the "free", I'm guessing not.

      Trademark does not - or should not - allow companies to shut someone down merely for using a word. Trademark is intended for a specific purpose, and not to allow companies to own words in general.

    20. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      I think that FreeLEgoPorn would have a better chance arguing that the word "Lego" is sufficiently generic as to not warrant trademark protection anymore. Considering the number of off-brand or generic blocks on the market that are commonly referred to as "legos" this would have a much better chance than arguing parody, im (decidedly non-lawyer) o.

      Also just another case of why you should never use GoDaddy as a domain registrar, they are known for bowing to the slightest bit of legal pressure and handing over a domain name just because a lawyer tells them to. Do a slashdot search for GoDaddy for past examples.

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    21. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by sgbett · · Score: 1

      FREE
      LEG
      OF
      PORN

      (.com)

      lalalalala...

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    22. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you seriously suggesting that freelegoporn.com was NOT intended to be a money-making venture?

      Wait - what?

      (Yes, I know that companies can offer things for free in order to make money selling extra, but I fail to see why you're pulling the "seriously?" when there is no evidence to suggest that this was a money making venture. If you know otherwise, provide your reference.)

    23. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by multisync · · Score: 1

      Trademarks are certainly not protected by fair use. Fair use is an affirmative defense in copyright infringement cases, not trademark infringement cases

      This is criticism, not parody, but certainly suggests the concept of "fair use" can be applied to trademarks, as well as copyright.

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    24. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by dogeatery · · Score: 1

      lego's name isn't in the domain name. It was Elbonian: Freel Egoporn

    25. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously suggesting that freelegoporn.com was NOT intended to be a money-making venture?

      I'll assert that unless they were selling the blocks themselves, the Lego trademark didn't apply. Trademark exists to prevent consumer confusion, not specifically for the protection of IP (though it has to defend IP in order to prevent confusion). If a person going to that web site thinks that it's an official Lego site selling Lego brand building blocks, then yes, there is an issue. If it's a site showing porn with Lego brand building blocks and makes money from Google advertisements on that page and not actually selling anything at all, then it is not a trademark issue. They are not selling anything that uses Lego, not causing any confusion for a consumer.

      Of course, this argument would have meant that in WWF vs WWF, WWE wouldn't have lost. So the courts will often not follow their own precedent. But that's because the World Wildlife Federation is a bunch of cute animals, and the World Wrestling Federation is a bunch of non-cute animals. So cute trumps law.

    26. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Allicorn · · Score: 1

      it's unclear that there website was commercial - given the "free", I'm guessing not.

      Not necessarily correct.

      (Also "their", sorry, couldn't help myself.)

      Try searching for "free [term]" and you'll find dozens of sites with the word "free" in their domain, with the word "free" plastered all over their page and with absolutely nothing being provided for free except the ability to look at the price list.

      Let's get a quick example, googling "free ringtone" shows these guys on result page #1:

      http://www.free-ringtones.uk.com/

      The word "free" appears no less than 20 times on the front page of the site and the domain name itself is fairly unequivocal. Looks like lots of content and all free. Click any item of content and you'll get a signup page which wants your credit card and $10 a month.

      You'll find similar sites for "free [term]" where [term] is just about any popular online consumer item.

      It's obviously tempting just to think "but who the hell would PAY for lego porn anyway?!?". Though, again, another similar google search "porn [term]" for almost any random word you can imagine might make you think otherwise! ;-)

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    27. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by ntk · · Score: 1

      Fair use in trademarks most certainly does exist. See Nominative fair use.

      Also, please cite the law that says a company must defend the trademark in all cases.

    28. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting. It's parody

      You are half right. It was not cybersquatting. But what is it parodying?

    29. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Does anyone have any good recommendations for other domain registrars that DON'T bow down at the slightest bit of legal pressure?

      Not trying to troll, I'm actually quite interested in any suggestions.

    30. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Also, please cite the law that says a company must defend the trademark in all cases.

      There is no specific law. It is a matter of legal precedent. If a company fails to defend its trademark, it stands to lose trademark protections. That's why Xerox is always telling you to say "copy machine" rather than "Xerox machine", for instance.

    31. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by maxume · · Score: 1

      That still leaves determining what a parody is. Just saying 'parody' should not be a defense for all rights violations.

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    32. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Yet that "similar to" or "compare to" or some other phrase is critical... if the generic maker doesn't make it clear they're not the brand name then they're trademark infringers.

    33. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by RLmitchell · · Score: 1

      I visited this site. There was nothing on the site to suggest it was parody. It looked like a site serving those with a Lego fetish.

    34. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by russotto · · Score: 1

      I visited this site. There was nothing on the site to suggest it was parody. It looked like a site serving those with a Lego fetish.

      In which case, if the blocks were actually Lego brand interlocking plastic blocks, sounds like nominative fair use. It's permitted to use a trademark to describe the item the trademark referred to.

    35. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by ntk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I firmly believe that what you say is not true -- you don't have to litigate every trivial instance of your trademark being violated. AFAICS, this is an urban myth that developed from the potential (but usually unlikely) threat of genericisation through overuse, and the utility of claiming it to be the case by IP lawyers.

      I really don't, for instance, believe the Lego porn is going to lead to people using "lego" to refer to any other kind of brick. This is because I don't believe any of Lego's competitors are going to stand up in court and say "Well, *of course* we should be able to refer to our bricks as legos. Did you not see them fail to go after that pornography site that used such obviously fake Lego bricks?" That's why I ask for evidence that what you're saying is true.

      Of course, if you are right, please wait five years, and then start your own lego brick company, citing the lack of any court action against this slashdot post as evidence that the Danish company lost the mark years ago.

    36. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by sjames · · Score: 1

      Personally, I set up an etoy.com zone in my DNS server pointing to the rightful owners. Hardly a deadly counterattack, just my private protest of that very bad decision.

    37. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I use Gandi but they're french...

      I'm just hoping the potential for communication and jurisdiction problems will cause the assholes to give up before Gandi surrenders ;).

      FWIW, Gandi's T&C are better than most, and I wouldn't use godaddy.

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    38. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      If you're willing to pay a one-off $95 reseller signup fee then OpenSRS is a very good choice.

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    39. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Sorthum · · Score: 1

      Most definitely correct. This issue may become more and more relevant as soon as ICANN-has-more-domains.

    40. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by hords · · Score: 1

      Years ago, a friend and I used to own sandels.com and we were selling shoes on it. Sandals Resorts filed a complaint on WIPO and ended up taking the domain from us. They must have let it go, because now some cybersquatter is using the domain to advertise travel, cruises, etc. Seems silly to spend so much money to get the domain, only to let it go again.

    41. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by cromar · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the lawyers would have to come up with some legal definition (if there isn't a precedent already in Western law). On the other hand it's not like we don't know the definition of "parody" or "satire" :)

      Parody - an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

      Satire - the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

      (Oxford American Dictionary)

    42. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by maxume · · Score: 1

      Yes, the concept is well defined. Whether a particular work fits the definition is generally less well defined (but I didn't say that very well in my comment).

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    43. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      In this case, the "product"---if it can be called that---in fact was made with actual Legos. Therefore, this falls clearly into the "descriptive use" category. Calling Legos Legos cannot, by definition, be trademark identification, as it is necessary to do so in order to identify them.

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    44. Re:freelegoporn.com is not cybersquatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it does. There's one and only one way for the trademark to be infringed: it is being used in a way such that a moron in a hurry would confuse the trademark-user for the trademark-holder? In this case, not even a moron in a hurry would think that "FreeLegoPorn.com" is owned by Lego. Hence, no confusion. Hence, no trademark infringement. It's that simple. Remember: trademarks protect consumers from being swindled--not the trademark "owners".

  2. IMHO by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds like LEGO are being IP bullies. If they can do that to FreeLegoPorn.com, they can probably do it to LEGOSucks.com.

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    1. Re:IMHO by LaminatorX · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Or SuckLegos.com, as the case may be.

    2. Re:IMHO by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

      penismightier.com? Who will think of the pen companies?
      analbumcover.com? Who will think of the RIAA?
      therapists.com? Who will think if the US Therapy association?

    3. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      expertsexchange.com? Who will of the expert gender re-assignment surgeons?

    4. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slightly disappointed therapists.com is a ad squatter. Who wouldn't love to give that one out. You could easily just change capitalization depending on who you gave it to.

      Mom: home@Therapists.com
      Creepy Chick at bar: home@TheRapists.com

    5. Re:IMHO by Sophacles · · Score: 1

      Whoever modded this as redundant needs to re-read this, keeping in mind SVO order* and the meaning of "sucks" in porn. It is Friday, get your mind closer to the gutter people!

      * If english is not your first language, the legosucks implies lego is bad, suckslegos implies someone performing oral sex on legos.

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    6. Re:IMHO by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you read the first one as a five letter word + eight letter word, it has nothing to do with pens.

      A bit like the Italian division of a company called Powergen.

    7. Re:IMHO by migla · · Score: 1

      I do think "LEGO" should be allowed in any address, because "Free-You-know-what-plastic-figures-Porn" is silly.

      But they won't stop you from dedicating a site to animations of LEGO figures humping, as long as you don't have "LEGO" in the adress, right?

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    8. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the only one you picked out? In short, woosh. Or, get that stick out of your anal bum cover.

    9. Re:IMHO by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 3, Funny

      -1 Coming-out-of-the-hole-you've-been-living-in

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    10. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha remember when it was expertsexchange.com? (now it's experts-exchange.com)

    11. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      analrapists.com? Who will think of analyst-therapists, such as Tobias?

    12. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you read the first one as a five letter word + eight letter word, it has nothing to do with pens.

      O RLY?

      Seems you'll need to stare at his post a few more hours, then...

    13. Re:IMHO by againjj · · Score: 2

      Duh. And the other two are the same way (explicitly listing them, as you seem to have missed the point):
      an-album-cover => anal-bum-cover
      therapists => the-rapists

    14. Re:IMHO by tomsomething · · Score: 1

      A problem with the name "FreeLegoPorn" is that it isn't immediately clear whether the content is provided by Lego. I know I wouldn't want my company name to have an implied relationship with pornography (unless I had a porn company).

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    15. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    16. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is at least one wellknown company that seems to have an unhealthy relationship with pornography. Doing a whois on FreeLegoPorn.com I was quite shocked to find out that this domain was registered to *Lego*!

      Why? What strange and revolting plans for future toys breeds in a company that registers such a name?

      And think about the kids! My god! My kids have been playing with this toys coming from this company! A company registering "FreeLegoPorn.com".
      I don't want my kids to be associated with such a company. Disgusting.

    17. Re:IMHO by RLmitchell · · Score: 1

      The blanked out image in the image gallery shows two Lego people engaged in a rear-guard action sex act. If you owned a company that had spent decades building a reputation for quality children's toys would you sit idly by while someone appropriated the name for a site dedicated to using your building blocks to create pornographic images and stop-motion animation movies for people with a Lego fetish?

    18. Re:IMHO by LizardKing · · Score: 1

      If you owned a company that had spent decades building a reputation for quality children's toys would you sit idly by while someone appropriated the name for a site dedicated to using your building blocks to create pornographic images and stop-motion animation movies for people with a Lego fetish?

      Yes, but then I have a sense of humour. I didn't think the site was for people with a "Lego fetish" though - I just thought it was meant to be amusing.

    19. Re:IMHO by Jaysyn · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:IMHO by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      What about alegochicken.com? ^^ Mmmmhhh... chicken!

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    21. Re:IMHO by RLmitchell · · Score: 1

      Still not great for the brand, but this site has more of a case that it's parody than did freelegoporn.

  3. Down with Domain Resellers! by Blixinator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The domain registrar for FreeLegoPorn.com, GoDaddy.com, eventually shut down the site and transferred the domain name to Lego under ICANN rules." So if a domain name uses a trademarked name in an 'offensive' manner, it's perfectly fine to strip ownership of the domain from the person who registered it and then give it to the company whose name was used? - Similar situation from 2003: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/nyregion/04AMBE.html There are a few domain names I wanted that the damn domain name resellers beat me to, all I need to do is trademark a name that is a slight misspelling of the name and it's all mine! - Don't ruin my plan with your silly logic.

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    1. Re:Down with Domain Resellers! by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

      Ever tried looking for something short, sweet, and pronouncable in a way that's unambiguous with respect to the way it's spelled, and that doesn't mean anything in particular? All such domains are gone. If you want something like 'google' you're going to have to pay extra for it. ( although googol/google is ambiguous spelling wise the fact that googol is alot and google indexes alot of sites counterbalances this negative )

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    2. Re:Down with Domain Resellers! by badfish99 · · Score: 1

      You're not the first person to notice that the domain name system is under the control of an organisation that puts "intellectual property" rights above everything else. That's a situation that most people on Slashdot would normally be wary of. But proposals to put the control of the system under a more representative governance - for example, to hand it over to a representative international organization - are represented as attempts by the evil United Nations to "take over the internet".

    3. Re:Down with Domain Resellers! by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm just sick of how cybersquatters have stolen my name! I, a famous and dead Ukrainian novelist, wanted to set up my own blog using my own domain! I'm heartsick that my name is being squatted because of its passing similarity to some search engine! The injustice!

      Signed,
      Nikolai Gogol

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    4. Re:Down with Domain Resellers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhmm, no offense, but the summary states LEGO didn't SUE, they went to WIPO... the WORLD Intellectual Property Organization... IE if it was UN governed the same bullshit would likely apply. Anyone who thinks giving more power to an 'internation organization' will make things any better than having the same mess under the governance of the US is helping lube the slide towards the New World Government (And I honest to god wish I was joking, because everything seems headed that way given some of the meddling we've been seeing lately, between WIPO, WTO, and the still undisclosed ACTA.

    5. Re:Down with Domain Resellers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But proposals to put the control of the system under a more representative governance - for example, to hand it over to a representative international organization - are represented as attempts by the evil United Nations to "take over the internet".

      Until a few months ago it was my opinion that internet governance hat to be done by an international organisation. However in the last few months, my government (Germany) has done so much to damage the internet (censorship, block infrastructure, politicians demand youth protection blocks for games/sites/etc.) that I am now convinced that this would be even worse. Too many countries' politicians are old and afraid of the internet. All they want to do is censor, restrict and block. We're doomed either way.

  4. Re: by ddubbleya · · Score: 1

    How about DonkeyShowLegos.com?

  5. The way it should be by C_Kode · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They should make it where the price of a domain doubles for each domain you have registered.

    1. $35
    2. $70
    3. $105 ...etc.

    That would raise the annual price of owning two domains to $105 and $210 for three, $420 for four, $840 for five and so on. That keeps the price relatively cheap for people who just want a personal domain or small businesses, but the domain squaters will be rendered out of business for the most part.

    I want to see someone squat 1,000 domains at those prices.

    1. Re:The way it should be by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Quite a few large businesses have many domains. For example, Ford might own each and every brand name they have as a domain. Similarly, food companies could own a domain for each and every food brand.

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    2. Re:The way it should be by Blixinator · · Score: 1

      But would they really want to get rid of what I would imagine to be one of their biggest sources of revenue? Just using the numbers and the method you provided as an example[ $(35((n^2+n)/2))) for n domain names], someone would have to buy 44-45 domain names to bring in the revenue that one squater would bring in for buying 1,000 domain names at $35 each

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    3. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      using that logic a legitimate business wanting to grab up typos of their own brand are out of luck as well.

      when these guys are buying domains for up to 6-8 figures each on the after market. even if it reached that level for a new registration it would make no difference.

    4. Re:The way it should be by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

      It would be worth it for Ford to pay for fifty domains.

      It would not be worth it for domain squatters to pay for hundreds, or even dozens.

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    5. Re:The way it should be by Blixinator · · Score: 1

      Right as I pressed submit, I figured I should explain my logic a bit more. First off, the formula I said is based off of the formula for the number of blocks in a pyramid of n layers with the number of blocks in layer increases by one when you go down one layer. It's just a sum of all the numbers from 1 to n. I'm also ignoring any server costs that the additional hosted domains may cause.

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    6. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not really.

      1) Many legit companies own many domain names. I doubt Google really cares about all of its 10K domain names, but even at 30 (a movie studio may have one for each movie, perhaps?) it would cost 35 billion dollars.

      Did you know that Google owns about 10,000 domain names? It'll only cost them $6.9827209090826543470930975693925e+3011

      2) Shell companies.

    7. Re:The way it should be by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      .

      They should make it where the price of a domain doubles for each domain you have registered.

      1. $35
      2. $70
      3. $105 ...etc.

      $70 * 2 = $105? Maybe for extremely small values of $70 :)

      I think yoyu mean that the cost for all your domains doubles each time you add another domain. This formula would be:

      Cost = $35*2^(n-1) where n = the number of domains registered.

      The problem with this is that legitimate companies' costs would skyrocket for no reason. Consider a small US firm with three brands. Just based on the company and the three brands, there are four domains in each of several TLDs they need to register. At a bare minimum, they need to register the domains in .com and in .net. So that's 8 domains, or $35*2^7, or $4480.

      Now consider that the same company likely needs to register another 16 or 24 domains (both defensively and to help ensure they get all the visitors trying to reach them). The cost quickly gets astronomical.

      Now consider that if they have trademarked their brands. Now they are required by law to defend against people using similar domains as possible competitors, or they lose their trademark. Uh-oh. Now, in addition to the $350/hr they pay to a law firm for trademark protection, they've got to pay tens or hundreds of thousands to protect their trademark.

      In short... nice idea, but it harms legitimate businesses to much.

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    8. Re:The way it should be by Minwee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's a good thing there are 10,000 other domain squatters with very similar names all sharing the same PO box with me. This way we can each just buy one for the lowest price.

    9. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it shouldn't. That would work if everyone was a cybersquatter. But there are in fact many people who invest in domains for legitimate reasons and have larger portfolios than cybersquatters.

    10. Re:The way it should be by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      That is stupid. What about misspellings? It makes perfect sense certain things to certain domains. If you have a UK site that is really uk.yourdomain.com, it might make sense to register yourdomain.uk that redirects to uk.yourdomain.com. Plus, what about misspellings? And the fact that different products go to the same company, for example, Nintendo might own nintendo.com, metroidprime3.com, fireemblem.com, mother3.com, etc.

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    11. Re:The way it should be by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Right, cause faking multiple users for that would be somehow harder than faking multiple users for every other service that has some retarded per-user limit that I use.

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    12. Re:The way it should be by idontgno · · Score: 1

      It would be utterly unaffordable for Ford to pay for fifty domains.

      FTFT. http://www.google.com/search?q=2%5E50*35

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    13. Re:The way it should be by bwhaley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One could argue that this is abusing the domain name system's original intent. To continue your example, why does Ford need taurus.com, fusion.com, mustang.com, etc? They should be using subdomains: taurus.ford.com. mustang.ford.com. The make and model are both instantly more recognizable, as is the Ford brand in general.

      The Internet would be a better place if the marketing people would focus on marketing problems and let the technology people implement solutions.

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    14. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why not have a subdomain, e.g. fiesta.ford.com or expedition.ford.com?

    15. Re:The way it should be by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are obviously not a math major. Doubling 50 times is prohibitively expensive. Try it at 1 cent. 1 =1, 2 = 2, 3 = 4, 4 = 8, 5 = 16, 6 = 32, 7 = 64, 8 = 128, 9 = 256, 10 = 512, 11 = $10 and 24 cents, drop the pennies. so each 10 = x1000. 21= $10,000 (plus change) 31= $10,000,000 (plus change) 41 = $10 billion (plus change) 51 would be $10 trillion (plus change). I doubt ford could pay for 30 domains using this silly idea, even starting at 1 penny.

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    16. Re:The way it should be by Sophacles · · Score: 2, Funny

      2) Shell companies.

      Fail -- even at those prices big oil could afford it.

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    17. Re:The way it should be by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      They should make it where the price of a domain doubles for each domain you have registered.

      Who are they? There are many companies which provide domain name registration service. If one of them implemented the scheme you describe, business would simply go elsewhere. Why would any registrar want to do this? It would only cost them business.

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    18. Re:The way it should be by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Who pays $35 for a domain? Mine are all in the $10 or $12 range. When I worked with an online retailer, we got down to $8/year with a bulk discount. If you're paying $35, you're getting ripped off.

    19. Re:The way it should be by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1
      If irony were strawberries we'd all be having smoothies right now...

      From your own sig:

      We need a "-1 Incorrect" moderation

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    20. Re:The way it should be by GeorgeS · · Score: 1

      That is what sub-domains are for: taurus.ford.com etc... this is the like one of the best uses for sub-domains.

      As a side note, ICANN is not the only game in town for domain names now.

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    21. Re:The way it should be by basementman · · Score: 1

      Yeah because it's totally impossible for people to fake their whois information. ICANN is shitty enough already, we don't need to make it worse.

    22. Re:The way it should be by cortesoft · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow your math sucks. But don't worry, I will teach you math.. and it will only cost you a penny today, and then we will just double the cost every day after that for a month or so.

    23. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      ford.focus.com, ford.mustang.com is better for advertising purpose.

      "What kinda car do you have?, Ford Focus."

      Thats why.

    24. Re:The way it should be by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      The first example I thought of was the movie production companies that pop yet another domain at the bottom of every movie trailer. They'd be paying quite a lot of cash for that service, or else they'd just buy them all with different proxies.

      The biggest problem with the proposed solution is that even if a company like Ford sticks with only a plain "ford" domain, it probably makes sense for them to own that domain in every country's top-level since they have an international presence.

    25. Re:The way it should be by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

      Pick the right state, and you can incorporate for around $25, so it would be $35 for the first domain in your name, then $60 per subsequent domain ($35 for the domain, $25 for a corporation to register it).

    26. Re:The way it should be by suky · · Score: 1

      Not if they take government bailout money! Then they can afford 100 domains!

    27. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, ((2^50) - 1) * $35 for the total. Domain #50 is (2^49) * $35.

      But that $35 savings is pretty small comfort compared to just under 40 quadrillion dollars...

    28. Re:The way it should be by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

      Naw.. He was doing a Fibonacci sequence.

      1) $35
      2) $70
      3) $35 + $70 = $105
      4) $70 + $105 = $170
      5) .....

    29. Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whats the problem. ford.com/modelname or modelname.ford.com is a much better choice

    30. Re:The way it should be by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Let's hope all 10,000 of your similarly named friends have their own credit card then. :)

      Not that I endorse the original idea. I'd hate for the eight domain names I own (for various mostly non-business reasons) to suddenly skyrocket in price.

    31. Re:The way it should be by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      That simply makes too much sense. Ford, Chevy and Chrysler all use a combination of multiple domains/sub-domains for dealerships to use to access their networks. this covers everything from ordering cars to submitting warranty claims. They have multiple issues because they pass logged in users from domain to domain for various tasks. When in reality they could just use a series of sub-domains to centralize the sites. As it is we have to add about 20 different domains to our users trusted sites list. the end result is now whenever our end users are prompted to add something to their trusted sites, they do it, without really understanding what they're doing. The end result is a situation where too many multiple domains has dulled our ability to contain what gets marked as a trusted site. All that could be solved by using sub-domains more effectively.

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    32. Re:The way it should be by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

      My post was a good example of why we need a -1 Incorrect modifier.

      I would rather the first few moderators think I am an idiot and moderate my post to -1 so nobody would see it than have it stay at 2 and have everybody see my stupidity.

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  6. They should've fought for it by davidwr · · Score: 2, Informative

    As someone pointed out, courts are inconsistent.

    Unless FreeLegoPorn knew they judges they would face would rule against them due to locally-binding precedent, they should have sued to regain the name.

    This is parody.

    If the local judges were likely to rule against them they should have relocated their corporate headquarters to a more judicially friendly venue, picked a new similar equally-"infringing" name, and pre-emptively sued to declare that their use was not a trademark infringement. Then once they won that battle, sue for the old name back.

    My guess is they decided it wasn't worth the expense.

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  7. WIPO sucks ass crackers. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cant afford to send a legal team to Sweden? Then you lose. Company I work for had their domain (and thus their company name) taken away, not because it was being misused or anything like that, but because we couldn't afford to go defend ourselves. Now if you go to the domain there's just a diatribe against us full of false claims and BS.

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    1. Re:WIPO sucks ass crackers. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Cant afford to send a legal team to Sweden? Then you lose. Company I work for had their domain (and thus their company name) taken away, not because it was being misused or anything like that, but because we couldn't afford to go defend ourselves.

      Why would you even send a legal team to Sweden? Wouldn't it be kind of expensive and kind of long to have your lawyers learn a new language and be retrained in a new set of laws. Hiring a lawyer in the jurisdiction that you're being sued in, without going there yourself, is not that hard. The language barrier may be difficult, but since this is Sweden, I would expect that many lawyers you find over there -- would write and speak English fluently.

      Now if you go to the domain there's just a diatribe against us full of false claims and BS.

      [citation needed, the name of the domain would be nice]

    2. Re:WIPO sucks ass crackers. by ACMENEWSLLC · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I went through WIPO arbitration. Someone wanted to take one of my domains away from me. I replied with a proper reply and ended up keeping my domain.

      The arbitration goes to an individual or multiple individuals. It really depends on the individual you get. Looking through prior arbitration, I saw how mine could have gone either way.

    3. Re:WIPO sucks ass crackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Epic fail. Domain name arbitration is done through filing papers. You don't have to show up anywhere because there is no hearing. All you do is file paperwork. Through the mail. It would probably cost a few thousand at most to hire a lawyer to prepare the appropriate paperwork.

      http://www.icann.org/en/dndr/udrp/policy.htm

      And if you think arbitration is expensive, you should try litigation. There's no comparison, really.

    4. Re:WIPO sucks ass crackers. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well, if it's so easy to sue someone out of his domain, then why don't you just sue them out of it again, and move back in?
      (Let your cousin sue, if you need to.)

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  8. I'm not a violent person by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    but cybersquatters should have their legs broken. Off.

    RS

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    1. Re:I'm not a violent person by JCSoRocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. Anyone have any idea how much it costs to take a cybersquatter to court? My band's domain name is currently being squatted on. There are alternatives but nothing that's any good is available. I registered something that's a mediocre replacement at best just as a back up, but it'd be nice to be able get the name I want seeing as how no one is actually using it.

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    2. Re:I'm not a violent person by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hear you. I've got a product I'd like to sell, I could think up a dozen decent domain names for the site, and every one of them is taken, and parked. Not being used, just sitting there. I contacted the owner of my favorite, and he wanted $20,000 to sell the domain. I offered $300. I just don't think the system is supposed to work like that. There needs to be some kind of regulation that you have to register a domain with the intent of doing something with it, and not merely speculating on price. The domain name system should not be the New York Stock Exchange.

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  9. Citation Needed by kbolino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "And malicious sites can create havoc with a brand's reputation."

    Apparently, proving this statement is left as an exercise for the reader.

    1. Re:Citation Needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh and the best way to squat is to send the user back to the REAL domain =)

    2. Re:Citation Needed by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

      +1 Insightful.

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    3. Re:Citation Needed by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Actually, if I remember correctly there was a misspelling of Google that used to direct you to a site full of adware and other forms of malware. Not sure how much it really hurt Google but I imagine it was a pain for many users at that time.

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    4. Re:Citation Needed by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      PHP.COM

      Back in the 90's ppl would hear about the language, see it was some other kind of site and would use perl or some other cgi language. Not sure how or why you would want to cite 2+2=4, as if that would give it more credibility.

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    5. Re:Citation Needed by kbolino · · Score: 1

      First, php.com is not malicious. Second, it is not squatting. The use of the domain is legitimate and unrelated to the programming language. Furthermore, according to WHOIS results for both domains, php.com was registered in 1993 and php.net in 1997. Third, a simple search on the part of any literate user will quickly return php.net as the website for the programming language.

      I don't deny that php.com may have caused, and may still cause, harm to PHP. However, that harm is not intentional, and it is unreasonable to fault php.com, which is completely unrelated and predates the interests of the programming language, for causing that harm.

  10. It's sad. ICANN not allowing satire. by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

    In the US we're used to being able to parody anything without fear of copyright or trademark litigation issues. It's sad that the ICANN doesn't work the same way. It really should.

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  11. Cybersquatting should be costly by caywen · · Score: 1

    I think cybersquatting should become increasingly costly over time, with crowd ratings as the determining factor as to whether someone is in fact squatting. If, say, 85% of people say a domain is being squatted, then the squatter's registration fee should double each successive year.

    1. Re:Cybersquatting should be costly by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      This would be nice but 85% of what people? The same scummy types of people that squat also run botnets. Botnet + any sort of voting system = botnet wins. The closest thing I've seen to a decent solution is the increasing price model that someone mentioned above; although I could see squatters getting around that by using fake names and such to just keep on registering 1 domain.

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  12. Not FreeLegoPorn, but real cybersquatting. by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether Lego -- which I generally perceive as far too litigious -- was right or wrong in its action against FreeLegoPorn.com, at least that was being used to host legitimate content. What really bugs me is domain owners who buy up a bunch of domain names to extort money out of those with a legitimate interest in them, or those who buy up a bunch of domain names for no other reason than to host advertising pages (which I consider a form of DNS spam).

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    1. Re:Not FreeLegoPorn, but real cybersquatting. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Lego has a history of abusing and trying to abuse IP law. My favourite example was trying to prevent people making compatible bricks by trademarking the layout on the top (fortunately, they lost this). Maybe we should boycott them; I think Lego is one of the few companies that would be affected by geeks boycotting them.

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    2. Re:Not FreeLegoPorn, but real cybersquatting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for all of the "in the name of protecting the innocent children" garbage out there, LEGO actually may have a legitimate claim to be doing that in this case. for example if a 7 year old googles for LEGO and hit #3 comes back as the wildly popular among-high school students lego-porn site. this is not a case of shutting down legocorporateisevil.com to silence an expose.

  13. ICANN needs to be released of their duties by binkzz · · Score: 1

    Surely they are only doing this so they can make more money? Cybersquatters must be a huge source of revenue for them.

    ICANN needs to be replaced with something more non-for-profit and preferably international, because they're just taking the piss.

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    1. Re:ICANN needs to be released of their duties by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      ICANN needs to really put freedoms in front of money. For example, you should be able to register a trademarked domain name if

      a) The site hosts content about that product
      b) Does not mislead visitors
      c) Has an alternative meaning (such as Apple.com being a site about different types of Apples)
      d) If the actual business has at least three "high profile" domain names of the same thing (such as .com, .net, .org, or a high-profile country code such as .us, .uk, .de, .jp, etc.) so if Apple had registered apple.net, apple.org and apple.us and hadn't registered apple.com, the domain belongs to whoever registered it so long as it follows other regulations

      Along with things stating that a domain name is not considered a trademark in and of itself and there is nothing ICANN can do to change them if these have been met (thus removing the quite idiotic statement in US law that you have to actively pursue takedowns on trademarks).

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  14. I missed out on FreeLegoPorn?!?! by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Crap! Why didn't someone tell me!? Is this site now operating under a different name? I expect this is a very funny thing to see. Is there a mirror or cache or wayback or anything of this site?

    1. Re:I missed out on FreeLegoPorn?!?! by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      They probably relocated to FreeDuploPorn.com. Much larger figures so you can see more detail, it's like an HD version of their previous content

  15. Whats up with this article? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    First off, cybersquatting isn't new at all. Hasn't been an upsurge.

    second, FreeLegoPorn.com wasn't cybersquatting. It's an artistic website creatively using lego's to make porn.

    This story should be about how Freelegoporn got fucked over by they name register.

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  16. New TLDs without regard to existing alt roots... by pongo000 · · Score: 1

    Now, ICANN is preparing to open a potentially unlimited number of new top-level domains as early as the first quarter of 2010.

    Well, this should prove interesting, since the alt root I'm associated with (OpenNIC) hasn't received notification from ICANN as to how colliding TLDs will be handled. And I don't know of any other alternate roots that have been contacted either.

  17. [link not safe for work] by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    Are you seriously suggesting that freelegoporn.com was NOT intended to be a money-making venture?

    Why not? [link not safe for work]

  18. Domain Names Are So Ten Years Ago... by thepainguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IMO the idea of the domain name is so ten years ago. The explosion of TLDs makes it more so, as it's no longer possible to get true exclusivity on a term. In the age of Google and SEO, what matters is the number of inbound links, the naming of file names, and such. Not the domain name. I say this as someone who once made $10,000 by cyber-squatting on entegris.com back in the day (thank you Network Solutions and the ability to reserve a name 30 days before you paid for it or it just lapsed) .

  19. Not really increasing compared to domain names by Rovastar · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to netcraft in the last year there has been about 40% increase in fully qualified domain names out there (includes subdomains not just top level so not a perfect stat but a good indication)

    June 2008 172,338,726 FQDNs (http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/06/index.html)
    June 2009 238,027,855 FQDNs (http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/06/17/june_2009_web_server_survey.html)

    So really you could say that cyber squatting is decreasing relative to the increase in domain names........

    Not really increasing compared to domain names

    1. Re:Not really increasing compared to domain names by RLmitchell · · Score: 1

      Interesting point. Here's another angle: Are they increasing compared to the number of brands? I suspect that the number of cybersquatting instances out there has grown faster (in percentage terms) than the growth in the number of brands that could be targeted. Cybersquatters tend to focus on the bigger, more well known brands. Instances of cybersquatting against the more well known brands is, apparently, still on the rise.

  20. Trademark rights do not exclude parody. by spun · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ah, but trademark rights do not protect against parody in the first place. You wouldn't even need to use a fair use defense, if you aren't using the trademark as a trademark on similar products then you aren't infringing the trademark rights.

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    1. Re:Trademark rights do not exclude parody. by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >Ah, but trademark rights do not protect against parody in the first place.

      I always wondered about Wacky Packages, and my guess is that the advertisers paid to be parodied by them.

      I still have a book that I stuck "Band-Ache" on in 1973. I still think it's hilarious.

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    2. Re:Trademark rights do not exclude parody. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't necessarily matter if it is on similar products or not. There is such a thing as "trademark dilution" and featuring the Lego products in the porn pictures certainly qualifies.

    3. Re:Trademark rights do not exclude parody. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Ah, but trademark rights do not protect against parody in the first place. You wouldn't even need to use a fair use defense, if you aren't using the trademark as a trademark on similar products then you aren't infringing the trademark rights.

      I thought they also had crazy rules about "tarnishing" the brand with unwanted associations and whatnot. IANAL, though, so I don't know anything about the legality of porn made from Lego (TM) bricks.

    4. Re:Trademark rights do not exclude parody. by sjames · · Score: 1

      In fact, the domain name was perfectly descriptive. Free, Lego, Porn.

  21. Re:New TLDs without regard to existing alt roots.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, this should prove interesting, since the alt root I'm associated with (OpenNIC) hasn't received notification from ICANN as to how colliding TLDs will be handled. And I don't know of any other alternate roots that have been contacted either.

    Why would they bother contacting the alt roots? They are separate name spaces, so there can be no collisions. Isn't that that whole point of the alt roots?

  22. /. of archives in 3 ... 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I can just see the /. effect on all the cache & archive servers as everyone tried to hit them to see the lost content.

  23. Trademark is not copyright by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are you seriously suggesting that freelegoporn.com was NOT intended to be a money-making venture?

    Eh? Who cares? Was Lego planning on getting into the porn business? No? Then I could market my 'Lego' brand of porn without infringing. Just like Apple Records and Apple Computers can coexist.

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    1. Re:Trademark is not copyright by Pollardito · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apple Computers and Apple Records coexist because of multiple out-of-court settlements, and the only court ruling appears to be about interpretation of clauses in the first settlement. I don't think you can use that as an example for either side of this argument, except perhaps to say that Apple Computers probably signed their original settlement because they thought they were going to lose.

    2. Re:Trademark is not copyright by honkycat · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure one should conclude they thought they were going to lose. It seems just as likely to me that they had no inkling that the music and PC industries would intersect a couple decades down the road. If they didn't have any plans to start recording albums, there wouldn't be much incentive to incur the expense of actually pressing for a ruling.

  24. Evil cybersquatters by tonyreadsnews · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I honestly don't quite get the beef everyone has with cybersquatters. At least not the point where their legs should broken, etc...
    Sure, they may not be making as good a use as you might, but why should that be the determination of who gets to take it away.
    Now, if it is a site that is fraudulent, I can understand that, but that is a different allegation then cybersquatting. I can also understand trademark infringement (to some extent) but this whole "my brand is x so anyone with an x in their domain name should belong to me" seems a little over the top.

    1. Re:Evil cybersquatters by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that their activities are contrary to the intended use of the DNS system. The idea is you register a domain name so people can easily find your home page/product/service/university/chess club/whatever. Instead, you have squatters and domain speculators who have bought up, for $10 each, every possible name they can think of that might, some day, be worth something, and they're holding it for ransom.

      Imagine you come up with the name for a business you'd like to start or a product you'd like to sell. It's the perfect name! So clever and unique! And you go to register the domain..and find it's taken. And so are the 18 variations of it you can think of that might work, too. And they're not being used, at all. It's not like somebody else just "got to it first" and is using it to sell their product. No, they're just hoping to extort some money out of someone who actually wants to do something with it. And they want an obscene amount of money. Like $20,000 for a return on their $10 investment. Can you understand how that experience might make you want to break their legs?

      These people aren't doing anything useful, they're not providing any service, they're just dicks.

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    2. Re:Evil cybersquatters by selven · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you have encountered an Internet tough guy (fortis anonymus), Internet tough guys are known to lash out at others with dire threats from behind cover but are extremely docile when their actions have any consequences whatsoever. They often enjoy the thought of violence against those who annoy them but are rarely willing to carry it out. This species's preferred habitat is the mother's basement.

    3. Re:Evil cybersquatters by Burpmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They profit without contributing anything to society. They're parasites. Society does not like parasites.

    4. Re:Evil cybersquatters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So clever and unique! And you go to register the domain..and find it's taken.

      then it doesn't sound so clever and unique anymore. :(

    5. Re:Evil cybersquatters by nadaou · · Score: 1

      They are playing the role of the glazier in The Broken Window Fallacy. In this way they are economic leeches which cause a net harm to both the economy and society.

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    6. Re:Evil cybersquatters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem as I see it, is there has been no provision made to filter this crap - by any Web Search provider.
      [*] Don't include squatted domains in my results.
      But Google/Yahoo/Bing et al will not do that, it would reduce their ad-money.
      They also don't allow you to black-list things from your results. I absolutely will NEVER want experts-exchange to be among my search results.

    7. Re:Evil cybersquatters by visible.frylock · · Score: 1

      No, you just don't get it. They're guilty of the sin of speculating with their own money, which is why their legs should be broken.

      Now if they were speculating with other people's money, then they would be deserving of bailouts at the taxpayers' expense.

      Really, wtf people? Slashdot gets so hypocritically outraged at the weirdest fucking things. Are you also going to get out your crowbar because someone took your.name@gmail.com too? Get over it, you have no innate right to a certain string of characters, any more than the content cartels have an innate right to certain strings of bits.

      If someone is hawking product under a name covered by your trademark, in the same market, using a deceptively similar logo, then that's one thing. That's trademark violation, and it's about fraud, not about intellectual property, legal opinions other than my own be damned, because I happen to be right.*

      But if someone has a funny porn site that happens to have a substring of your toy company trademark in the domain name, feel free to have a nice cup of stfu with your tough shit salad.

      Whoever wants to take the oblig xkcd funny, you're welcome.

      * This is the correct opinion, not necessarily the establishment opinion (which, again, if it differs from mine, and ISTR it does, happens to be wrong).

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    8. Re:Evil cybersquatters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, there is a way to decrease the value of these domain names: don't buy them from squaters! If they're not making money from 'holding them for ransom' then there is less incentive for them to buy them, and eventually, the world will be a better place.

  25. Re:New TLDs without regard to existing alt roots.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why every single person here should try everything in their power to stop ICANN from doing such stupid things.
    Opening up the TLD system is just going to cause havoc for everyone.

    If only URLs were back-to-front, like it SHOULD have been.
    What idiot decided it would be a good idea to have the current system?

    It should have been protocol://continent.country.siteType.domain.sub-domain1.sub-domainN/directories
    SiteType being organization, museum, TV, government, xxx (if only, it would help a lot if it was more regulated) etc.
    Doesn't it just seem so much nicer this way?
    Instead, we have the current mess which makes it so much easier to do something like http://myspace.com.iwillstealyourshit.com/

  26. Re:New TLDs without regard to existing alt roots.. by pongo000 · · Score: 1

    Separate namespaces, but the alt roots try to be good citizens. Most alt roots (including OpenNIC) mirror the ICANN root as well. Several years ago, ICANN railroaded .biz through, even though OpenNIC had clear "first dibs" on the TLD. I assume more of the same is coming down the road.

  27. PROFIT by atramentum · · Score: 0

    If someone wanted to make money on this they could create a domain reg. service that registers all available tld's automatically, both as already owned tlds become available and as new tlds are introduced. I don't think the ICANN would be happy about it, but it would be valuable for corporations that want to protect their brand. Unless, that is, if ICANN creates a ".sucks" or ".iscrooked" tld. (http://apple.sucks) ...Profit !

  28. Free Typosquatting Scan Tool With Screenshots by typosquatting · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's a new, free typosquatting scan tool at aliasencore.com. It shows you all the registered .COM domain names that are one character misspellings of any Alexa top 100,000 site you enter. It also displays screenshots of those typosquatting sites. It's a nifty way to get a quick idea of the rampant growth of typosquatting (which is a subset of cybersquatting). Here's an example that shows the 431 registered .COM domain names that are one character away from google.com.

    Full disclosure: I am Graham MacRobie, the CEO of Alias Encore, Inc. We help companies recover cybersquatting domain names, but we focus solely on "slam-dunk" typosquatting cases, not questionable cybersquatting cases such as the one mentioned in this article.

    1. Re:Free Typosquatting Scan Tool With Screenshots by Chabo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, on-topic spam!

      What's next, on-topic goatse links?

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    2. Re:Free Typosquatting Scan Tool With Screenshots by bluesatin · · Score: 1

      I think Google bought a few of them up, they have http://gooogle.com/ (There's 3 Os).

      I guess it's probably not worth the hassle of buying up so many when usually people have you homepaged or as a search bar, I don't know anyone that manually types google in anymore.

    3. Re:Free Typosquatting Scan Tool With Screenshots by jackbird · · Score: 1

      I see people type "google" into their search bar, then do their search from the google main page, all the time. Not on topic, but makes me cringe a little.

    4. Re:Free Typosquatting Scan Tool With Screenshots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because there is a self-serving purpose to a post, that doesn't mean it's spam. In other words, IMHO, if it's on-topic, it's not spam.

      I am not adverse whatsoever to companies giving me information about their products in a 100% relevant thread, especially if they disclose the fact that they work for said company.

    5. Re:Free Typosquatting Scan Tool With Screenshots by lord+sibn · · Score: 1

      Funny thing, I have one of those bookmarklet things or whatever they are called nowadays. I just type 'find [search terms]' in the URL bar, even though there is a perfectly serviceable google search entry just on the right hand side of it. It is a habit I started before FireFox had that as a default, as far as I am aware, and just one that i have kept to this day.

      Could be because I am lazy, and do not want to have to click on that search box, or do not care to learn what keyboard shortcut will take me to it directly -- ^L focuses the URL bar, and selects all of the text in it. Ready to type and go.

  29. Oh please by geekoid · · Score: 1

    people see a market and grabbed up something they believed would be of value later. Big deal.

    And ICANN shutting down that brick based porn cite is a shame. Completly outside the point of trademark and copyright. It was a blow to free speech.

    I bunch of companies whining that they didn't have the foresight to get a domain and they get to just shut people down for the sole reason that they are a big company.

    It's a shame.

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  30. Should isn't Could - Re:The way it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like it. But they'll just use shell companies or a list of fake domain "owners".

    A big part of the problem is laziness - users seem to only remember the DNS part of the URL and treat the path name as forgettable. The web works fine even if your site is a subdirectory of a domain or a sub-domain (though there are specific technical differences). If more sites were content to exist in directories of a domain, it might even reduce DNS traffic on the web!!!

    Another solution would be to require DNS registrants to link to legal trademark granted by their country, as in "www.trademark.countrycode". This has its own problems. One is that people equate domain registration with free speech, which again points to people's desire to have their "own" site (meaning their own DNS name) not understanding that it makes almost ZERO difference whether your site is in a subfolder or a seperate domain name. It's just another entry in the multi-homed apache config file to equate each of those domain to a path on the web server. A URL that's just a domain like www.skateboardcity.com just looks cleaner than us.angelfire.com/~bbart/skateboardcity/welcome.html

    This desirability causes domain registration become a kind of security, like stocks or bonds, used for speculation instead of their real purpose: the worldwide dissemination of amusing kitten photos.

  31. Lego is the cybersquatter here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cybersquatters are people/companies who grab domain names and then fail to use them for legitimate sites that match the domain name. If the Lego corporation grabs freelegoporn.com and fails to use it to host free Lego porn, then the Lego corporation is guilty of cybersquatting.

  32. Sooo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The domain registrar for FreeLegoPorn.com, GoDaddy.com, eventually shut down the site and transferred the domain name to Lego under ICANN rules.

    WHOIS:confirms. LEGO indeed now owns a domain advertising Lego Porn.

    Domain Name.......... freelegoporn.com
        Creation Date........ 2008-10-13
        Registration Date.... 2009-05-07
        Expiry Date.......... 2011-10-14
        Organisation Name.... LEGO Juris A/S

    Next question: What are they going to use it for? :P

    1. Re:Sooo... by linzeal · · Score: 1

      How about we make "Freel Ego Porn" mean something than get it back.

  33. suffering? by jipn4 · · Score: 1

    Unless Lego has gone into the porn business themselves (have they?), Lego is clearly in the wrong here; they had no right to shut down FreeLegoPorn.com What they should be "suffering" from is a serious lawsuit for abuse of trademark law.

  34. parody not belong in .com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i like parody, but it really doesn't belong in dot com

  35. quibble about a non-issue by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    Green energy is a hot topic, so cybersquatters have been targeting wind and solar energy start-ups. And malicious sites can create havoc with a brand's reputation.

    Startups, by definition, don't have a brand, or a reputation.

  36. MarkMonitor by rs79 · · Score: 1

    MarkMonitor should elicit the same kind of response in your brain as "Media Sentry".

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  37. Cybersquatting won't even seem like an issue... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    ... after the new TLDs are sold and name resolution turns to arbitrary mish-mash. Add to that the fantastic new spamming opportunities and just wait to see what a fantastic clusterfuck ICANN is about to unleash upon us. Why on earth we aren't storming the compound with torches and picks I don't know; once this goes down there is no undoing the damage.

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  38. suffering? by plnix0 · · Score: 1

    Suffering? Lego and Verizon are the oppressors, as are any who claim "intellectual property rights" against innocent victims.

  39. The word is "IMPLICIT" by aqk · · Score: 0

    I don't think I have ever seen any of my kids' Legos having explicit sex.
    And I somehow doubt that anyone else has ever seen this done between Legos... but if so, let's hope it is done between consenting Legos.

  40. the "World Intellectual Property Organization" by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    the World Intellectual Property Organization, which ruled in its favor

    No shit? Who would have thought, that an organization, who names itself after something that does not exist, is 100% biased? ^^

    On the other hand: Who are they, and how can they "rule" anything? Sure, they can all sit down, play important, and sing a scrap of paper. So what?

    My answer would be, what the composer Brahms responded to a review of his latest symphony: "Dear sir: I am seated in the smallest room in my house. I have your review in front of me, and very soon it will be behind me."

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