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Record-Breaking Solar Cells Tailored To Location

Urchin writes "The quality of sunlight varies depending on where you live, but off-the-shelf solar cells are all identical. A new solar cell designed by UK firm Quantasol is easily tuned to adapt to the local light conditions, which boosts its long-term performance. Its short-term performance isn't bad though — the single junction solar cell has a peak efficiency greater than any previous device, beating a world record that's stood for 21 years."

133 comments

  1. Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wake me up when I can plug an extension cord from a tree to my data center.

  2. It's vs its by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know I'm heading to the moderation cellar for this, but COME ON guys, don't be so damn lazy about your language. See my sig below.

    That kind of mistake is a huge cognitive speed bump for many readers. You're blowing your chance to communicate with your audience when you make (and belittle complaints about) adolescent mistakes like this.

    1. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh boo hoo hoo.

    2. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think spelling and grammar mistakes like that communicate something quite clearly, just not what the writer intended.

    3. Re:It's vs its by DotDotSlashDot · · Score: 1

      Yes, and those things owned by you are Chriss rather than Chris's. Possession is 9/10 of the law. Chris is.

    4. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean Chris'.

    5. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, "Chris" is a singular noun, and therefore the possessive form is "Chris's." And yes, the period goes inside the quotes, despite logic's demand that it go outside as any stronger sentence-ending punctuation (question mark or exclamation mark) would.

    6. Re:It's vs its by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are ALL lazy. Not just Slashdot. Since everything went online the quality of spelling and grammar has hit Elementary school levels. AP, Reuters, The New York Frikkin' Times, etc. ALL have various errors these days.

      My mind seems to auto-correct for these mistakes pretty quickly while I am reading, but it does make me wonder if we would not be better off hiring 3rd graders to write these things out instead of journalism majors.

      Let's face it. If you don't get a red line underneath what you are typing we know just assume that its okay to submit.

    7. Re:It's vs its by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Either is accepted, "Chris's" seems to be more common, and neither is wrong.

    8. Re:It's vs its by EvanED · · Score: 1

      I'm sort of an idiot and followed the discussion thread wrong... both "Chris's" and "Chris'" are acceptable; "Chriss" and "Chrises" are both not.

    9. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you take a look at #3.

      http://www.cracked.com/article_17522_p2.html

      At the heart of the real-life OCPD sufferer seems to be an irrational fear that the rest of the world is sloppier, dirtier and more disorganized than it should be, that it's rapidly getting worse, and that the world will fall to pieces unless someone straightens it up.

    10. Re:It's vs its by Miseph · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Let's face it. If you don't get a red line underneath what you are typing we know just assume that its okay to submit."

      Is that so? I wonder if you could come up with an example of this phenomenon for us, perhaps a time when you, say, added an extra letter to the word you intended, thereby turning it into another correctly spelled word which made no sense in context. I'd bet you're pretty good about not doing it though, since you're clearly better at spelling than all the people at AP, Reuters, The New York Frikkin' Times, etc.

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    11. Re:It's vs its by embsysdev · · Score: 1

      Either the editors have already corrected it, or you have it backwards. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and "its" is the possessive form.

    12. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was under the impression you dropped the s after the apostrophe only in plurals already ending with an s.
      So
      Chris's
      The cats'
      The people's

    13. Re:It's vs its by EvanED · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression you dropped the s after the apostrophe only in plurals already ending with an s.

      You can also do it for singluars ending in s if you want.

      Quick rundown of the rules:

      For a singular possessive, if the word doesn't end in s, add 's. If it does end in s, add either ' (i.e. just an apostrophe) or 's as before. So either Chris's or Chris' is okay for a singular possessive.

      For a plural possessive, you just add an ' after the s in the plural form, or 's if the plural doesn't end in an s already (as in people's).

      (To justify my statement, Diana Hacker's A Writer's Reference (4th ed, 1999) says the following: "If pronunciation would be awkward with the added -'s, some writers use only the apostrophe. Either use is acceptable. )

      My impression is that the use that omits the final s is dwindling, but I still think it would be wrong to consider it incorrect.

    14. Re:It's vs its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For Chrissake, guys...

    15. Re:It's vs its by Hojima · · Score: 1, Insightful

      just assume that its okay to submit.

      Does anyone else see the irony in this post? No? Well that's because all of us have the great advantage of the neocortex. You see, when you see a word in context, even if it's spelled wrong its meaning is properly interpreted. I know it's useless to yell at you grammar Nazis, but I have this small shimmer of hope that this message will make the following posters WRITE ABOUT FUCKING SOLAR ENERGY.

    16. Re:It's vs its by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Actually, spelling grammar and punctuation was always horrible. It's just that 15 years ago, the 90% of people who are the poorest language-users, didn't usually publicize a lot of text.
      The Internet didn't make people worse -- it just made them a lot more visible.

      Also, it reduced geographical boundaries, english is my third language, it's not reasonable to expect the same knowledge of ones third language as a mother-tongue. Yeah, I make more mistakes than many native english-speakers, but no, it's not because I'm particularily lazy.

    17. Re:It's vs its by EdIII · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wooooooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhhhhh!!

    18. Re:It's vs its by WhyMeWorry · · Score: 1

      For the record, you can read the original post in firehose. The spelling there is definitely wrong.

    19. Re:It's vs its by Sinbios · · Score: 1

      And yes, the period goes inside the quotes

      Maybe in your locally mutilated version of "English".

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    20. Re:It's vs its by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 1

      That kind of mistake is a huge cognitive speed bump for many readers.

      You are assuming that many readers actually RTFS. I, for one, take offense to that notion!

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    21. Re:It's vs its by Sinbios · · Score: 1

      I believe you're the one missing the (intentional) irony. You should get that neocortex checked out.

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    22. Re:It's vs its by Sinbios · · Score: 1

      On the Internet we call it 'sperging.

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    23. Re:It's vs its by rrhal · · Score: 1

      Its about time we all agreed to stop using the apostrophe. Its nothing but a syntactic speed bump that grammar Nazis cling onto for what ever reason.

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    24. Re:It's vs its by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I think it's simply that more and more people are writing. A lot of those people wouldn't have done so pre-Internet.

    25. Re:It's vs its by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Of course your little rules for using such a thing COMPLETELY forget about the possessive sense. 'It' is a noun and 'it's' can work not as 'it is' but as a possessive statement. Kind of like
      "This is a cat's dinner bowl. Here is it's water bowl."

      In English the apostrophe has two main functions: it marks omissions, and it assists in marking the possessives of nouns and some pronouns. In strictly limited cases, it is allowed to assist in marking plurals, but most authorities now disapprove of such usage. An apostrophe is also used by some writers to form a plural for abbreviations, acronyms, and symbols where adding just s rather than 's may leave things ambiguous or inelegant.

      What's really sad was I was taught this in 6th grade English. Now I see it only being taught as a high-school level concept.

      The USA's educational system is going to shit. You might wish to get rid of your incorrect little flower.

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  3. Greater than any previous *single junction* device by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    Multi-junction cells are over 40%.

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  4. Vs. vs. vs by sexconker · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know I'm heading to the moderation cellar for this, but COME ON guys, don't be so damn lazy about your language. See my sig below.

    That kind of mistake is a huge cognitive speed bump for many readers. You're blowing your chance to communicate with your audience when you make (and belittle complaints about) adolescent mistakes like this.

    1. Re:Vs. vs. vs by thornomad · · Score: 1

      That took me a minute - but often the best comebacks involve a delayed response. Bravo.

    2. Re:Vs. vs. vs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's a difference between a decision of style (vs vs vs. - both are OK, it's a common stylistic choice not to use a period when an abbreviation ends with the last letter of a word, as in "Dr" or "Rd"), and an actual spelling mistake.

    3. Re:Vs. vs. vs by BKX · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just so you know, in most non-US English-speaking countries, abbreviations that end with the last letter of the world don't get a period after them. Examples:

      Mr
      vs
      Dr

      versus:

      Mich.
      Univ.
      Rev.

      In the US, we just got lazy and started using periods everywhere.

    4. Re:Vs. vs. vs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last letter of the [i]world[/i].....

      SCNR

    5. Re:Vs. vs. vs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just so you know, in most non-US English-speaking countries, abbreviations that end with the last letter of the world don't get a period after them.

      Oh, COME ON You make it TOO easy.

    6. Re:Vs. vs. vs by xelah · · Score: 1

      It's more than style. There's an important difference between, say, 'St' and 'St.' (saint and street - ever come across 'Liverpool Saint Station'?). Abbreviations end with a dot, contractions without. There's no problem at all with 'vs' for 'versus'.

    7. Re:Vs. vs. vs by Sinbios · · Score: 1

      Oh, COME ON You make it TOO easy.

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    8. Re:Vs. vs. vs by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Only an American would be called lazy for doing something that adds clarity, and takes more work.

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    9. Re:Vs. vs. vs by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Abbreviations end with a dot, contractions without. There's no problem at all with 'vs' for 'versus'.

      If it's a contraction, it should be "v's". If it's an abbreviation, it should be "vs." If it's an acronym, it should be "VS". But in no case is "vs" appropriate under the rules used here. Contractions get apostrophes, abbreviations get periods, and you pick what you want "vs" to be, but it has to have some punctuation to meet the rules used here.

    10. Re:Vs. vs. vs by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Adding a period is being lazy? I think rather that lazy people would seek to reduce the number of markings needed on a page to convey the same idea (note "ur" versus "you are" or "your" or "you're"). The reasoning would be more like:

      We got stupid and forgot which abbreviations need a period and which ones don't.
      We got stupid and couldn't tell abbreviations apart from full.
      We simplified the abbreviation rules to have a period at the end of all abbreviations.

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    11. Re:Vs. vs. vs by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I like the extra bit about the signature.

      I (and I hope most people) read slashdot with signatures turned off. I don't have one. The guy (presumably, since he referenced it) has one.

      I left that bit in since most people would see the posts as being exactly the same, and would never see his signature or see that I didn't have one.

    12. Re:Vs. vs. vs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Just so you know, in most non-US English-speaking countries, abbreviations that end with the last letter of the world don't get a period after them."

      Hello! If you were from the US you would know that the s in vs. is the first s, not the final one!
      I believe this would warrant a .

    13. Re:Vs. vs. vs by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      The sigs are often more memorable than the usernames, and they tell you a little bit about the account's owner, so I just leave them on. What annoys me is when someone types in a sig at the bottom of their post which says the exact same thing as the sig below it....or when they sign their post with their username =/ I guess I'm just being picky though.

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    14. Re:Vs. vs. vs by LionMage · · Score: 1

      In the US, we just got lazy and started using periods everywhere.

      That's just silly. These rules are a matter of convention, and some of these conventions were adopted as late as the 20th century. The British make distinctions between an abbreviation (where you leave off the end-part of a word) and a contraction (where you drop the middle part), whereas Americans and Canadians don't so much, and this is where some of the difference lies. The examples you gave with the trailing period are technically contractions by that definition. But it really irks me to see this pseudo-apologetic crap getting spewed by Americans, almost as much as it annoys me to be "corrected" by a Briton.

      This has nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with divergence of language over time between two geographically distinct groups. In fact, one could view the US writing styles as archaic (as many Commonwealth people do). After all, Americans use a different style of quotation from what the British generally do (although the "old" style is still considered correct in Britain, and I believe still used by some of their print publications). Viewed in that light, it isn't our laziness but that of our overseas friends that led to the change of style.

      Americans have nothing to apologize for when it comes to our language. And yeah, I said "our" language, because it's certainly not the same as "their" language, even if there's a large area of overlap. Many common words actually have different connotations in the US vs. the UK, creating misunderstandings. The question is when you transition from being a dialect to being a distinct language, and the answer depends on whom you ask.

      And speaking of matters of style and convention, some publications have their own house style guides (e.g., the New York Times) which are yet different from the general style guidelines you get taught in English class (in either the US or the UK, take your pick). Acronyms are a fun example. A typical US writer would use NASA, whereas the BBC will render it Nasa (drives me totally nuts), and the New York Times will render it as N.A.S.A. (which looks clunky to me).

    15. Re:Vs. vs. vs by xelah · · Score: 1

      A contraction is a word shortened by removing letters from the middle and an abbreviation is a word shortened by removing letters from the end. Presumably you spell it v's, but that's a little ugly and certainly not conventional. No punctuation is entirely normal where I come from. There's a wikipedia article with more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraction_(grammar)

    16. Re:Vs. vs. vs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. that end with the last letter of the world ..

      Would that be a "d", or is there an actual letter at the end of the world?

  5. Efficiency VS Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Efficiency doesn't really matter. What we really want is the lowest cost per kWh. What's the price of these?

    1. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by dakameleon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hesitate to say because it feels too goddamn obvious but higher efficiency leads to lower cost-per-kWh, so you really should care. What you (or the manufacturer) really should be looking for is the pay-off point - where the improved efficiency matches or beats the older tech in cost-per-kWh terms.

      The other point to make however is that irrespective of cost, more efficient technology can mean wider applications - where previously it would be pointless to put a solar panel because of, say, space limitations, the more efficient ones can possibly find an application.

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    2. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by justinlee37 · · Score: 3, Informative

      More efficient technology does not mean wider applications irrespective of cost. Technology is defined as being more efficient BY what it costs; if it costs less it is more efficient. The science is still interesting but from a practical standpoint whether or not these will be used widely is directly related to the average cost of the electricity it produces. There is a reason that we don't use people pedaling on bicycles to produce electricity; because of the cost. If labor were much cheaper than burning coal then we would use that instead. Unfortunately the cost of labor is influenced by the COST of living.

      If the super-efficient solar panels are constructed of rare materials that cost millions of dollars, then the higher efficiency will not necessarily lead to lower cost-per-kWh. The OP does care, they're just being realistic and not jumping to conclusions, which is what you should do when analyzing any investment.

    3. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by savuporo · · Score: 1

      Efficiency DOES matter to enable lots of applications, especially when your sunlight-exposed real estate is at premium. For example, PHEVs and EVs getting their top-up charge from roof-mounted panels, solar panels on top of laptop cases and so on.
      Most importantly it matters for applications like solar flight. Solar planes of course wouldnt use heavy GaAs silicon cells, but the best of the breed thin-film cells.

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    4. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by savuporo · · Score: 1

      More efficient technology does not mean wider applications irrespective of cost.
      In some cases it does, because some applications can only be enabled when power output per limited surface area is above certain critical treshhold. Solar planes, solar blimps, solar-charged portable electronic devices to lesser degree.

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    5. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hesitate to say because it feels too goddamn obvious but higher efficiency leads to lower cost-per-kWh, so you really should care.

      That's partly true. However, there's an interplay between peak/average efficiency and environmental factors of the light. This means that two panels with the same peak efficiency might produce wildly different ammounts of energy. For example, a panel that maintains its efficieny in dim light would be better suited to the Pacific Northwest or other cloudy climates, while one with a high peak efficiency only in bright light is best for Southwestern sunny states.

      But as you yourself said, the important part is the cost-per-kWh break even point. This is completely unrelated to efficiency. A panel with 50% efficiency compared to some standard panel that has 10% the cost per area is more cost effective per kWh. Same with a panel that costs 4x as much but only produces 50% more energy. The question is, which kind of efficiency do you care about? Typically quoted efficiency (ammount of energy converted) is essentially a measure of space efficiency: how much area it takes to meet your power requirements.

      The more important question for most people, I believe, is 'how much does the energy cost?' and that's where the cost per kWh value comes from. Ideally this measure will be determined accross the panel's lifetime, meaning the value is directly comparable to your current power cost. Do the panels provide energy at 1 cent per kWh cheaper? If so, there is no (economic) reason not to use as many as is practical. You might not get as much energy as with 'high-efficiency' cells, but your total bill will go down.

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    6. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by vertinox · · Score: 1

      More efficient technology does not mean wider applications irrespective of cost.

      True, but solar cells are costly because of the material it is made with currently. If they can take the same material and use less of it to produce the same amount of power, then the price overall goes down.

      Now if they invent another material that is more efficient but more costly to produce than the price goes up.

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    7. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by Cross-Threaded · · Score: 1

      There is a reason that we don't use people pedaling on bicycles to produce electricity; because of the cost.

      Wait, I see the problem with this. Try this approach:

      1. Open a facility with lots of stationary exercise bikes connected to generators.
      2. Advertise your facility as a new kind of fat farm.
      3. Charge people a competitive rate, in relation to other weight loss facilities, to come lose weight.
      4. Profit! (For you, and for the no longer fat people.)

      (Sorry for the lack of the obligatory "???")

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    8. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The point being, it it costs a million dollars to get a 90% efficient cell, the average person won't buy them.

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    9. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "if it costs less it is more efficient."

      No.

      efficiency is a mattter of how much energy the cell turns into electricity.
      About 1 Kw of energy in a Sqr. Meter falls from the sun.
      so a 50% effecient cell would get .5 Kw per sqr meter.

      If that cost *put pink to mouth* One Million Dollars per meter, it's not practical, but there are efficient compared to today's cells.

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    10. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      This is a semantic debate over the definition of "efficiency" as it would be had between a company engineer and a company economist. If they cost *pinky to mouth* One Million Dollars then they may gather sunlight efficiently but they don't produce electricity cost-efficiently.

    11. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      It really doesn't. You have an excellent point, and there are certainly many situations where people would be willing to pay a premium for space efficiency, but there is a point at which it would be too expensive for even those applications. Every person, every organization and every project has economic limitations.

    12. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      So, in summary, we need to know the cost of the old solar cells as compared to the cost of the new solar cells in order to determine which one gets you "more bang for your buck," which is how anyone tasked with making a financial decision would define "efficiency" in this situation.

    13. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      That's crazy enough to work ...

    14. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by savuporo · · Score: 1

      But it does. Im speaking about technical feasibility of an application. You need to hit a certain efficiency benchmark per surface area to make some applications ( of photovoltaics ) possible in the first place. For instance 24-hour stratospheric solar flight, i.e. solar-powered UAVs.

      You really need to have a certain level of power output per surface area, because there are low bar limits on how little power you can use to fly reliably. These limits are set by other engineering hard limits like battery energy densities, frame construction material strength per weight and so on.


      Economics enter the picture later, especially when talking about military applications.

      And solar-powered UAVs in stratosphere with indefinite loiter time are sought by basically all applications currently performed by satellites ( surveillance, imaging, communications ).
      This gives ample playing room for economics, as satellites are usually top of the line tech, with best efficiencies in every aspect, gold plated.

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  6. No prices given... by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    "The commercial market doesn't just want high efficiency, they want the device to be optimised to the environment," he says. "In the past we measured performance in dollars per watt. Now it's cents per kilowatt-hour that's more important."

    This actually sounds like they're on the right track, but until I see prices I'm not convinced the process is a cost-saver. Also it sounds like it's only useful in concentrating designs.

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  7. But what about price? by bezking · · Score: 0

    If it's expensive nobody will buy it. Regardless of how well it works. For example, if the prius cost $80k the environmentalists wouldn't even buy it. I think that these enviro-tech things just have a zero shot at catching on if they are too damn expensive. Just a thought.

    1. Re:But what about price? by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't underestimate the hippies' addiction to smug.

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  8. Environmentally sound... hehehe. by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They're quite environmentally sound. They're made of arsenic, and many caustic chemicals being used to refine and produce them. In short -- not suitable for mass alternative energy (like just about every other thing called "green").

    Reality: Solar power's only economical use right now is for remote sensors and in locations where the power grid cannot reasonably be extended and delivering fuel is impractical.

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    1. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by CorporateSuit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Solar panels are actually very cheap to get. Drive down a freeway with those solar-powered emergency phones, knock down a few of the poles, take the panel from on top, and install it on your home. They're free to anyone who has the gumption to get them, courtesy of your state highway department!

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    2. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by BigPeen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Umm, TONS of electronics use As, that doesn't make them dangerous. When its covalently bonded to things like Ga its pretty safe.

    3. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      But what if you injure yourself? How would you call for help if you have wrecked the phone?

    4. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1, Troll

      Reality: Solar power's only economical use right now is for remote sensors and in locations where the power grid cannot reasonably be extended and delivering fuel is impractical.

      What version of reality do you live in?

      Solar power is economical for large-scale deployments. That's why Worldwide Energy and Manufacturing has a $52 million backlog.

      Oh, damn it. It appears I've fed the troll.

      But, you know, keep on fighting the good fight against environmental responsibility. Future generations will thank you for it!

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    5. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by girlintraining · · Score: 0

      Umm, TONS of electronics use As, that doesn't make them dangerous. When its covalently bonded to things like Ga its pretty safe.

      The bonds do eventually break down...

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    6. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Solar power is economical for large-scale deployments. That's why Worldwide Energy and Manufacturing has a $52 million backlog.

      For an industry that in 2007 had an operating revenue of $253 billion in this country? They're going to need a few more zeros in their backlog. It was only this year that the solar cell industry celebrated break the $1/watt barrier. Meanwhile, I'm getting power piped into my home at a few cents a kilowatt from a nuke plant ten minutes drive from here. And the power plant will last a lot longer than solar cells stapled to some roof will.

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    7. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1, Funny

      But what if you injure yourself? How would you call for help if you have wrecked the phone?

      Sit in your car and tap out S.O.S. using your brakes.
      Anyone able to read it while cruising past at 65 mph will have a ham radio in their trunk and a whip antenna curved over the roof.

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    8. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by girlintraining · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      But what if you injure yourself? How would you call for help if you have wrecked the phone?

      Use the banana phone. But beware, it carries a terrible curse...

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    9. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's one company. Globally there is a much larger backlog.

      Furthermore, it's very disingenuous to compare a commercial large-scale energy source with a localized energy source. Retail costs of solar production are not an apt comparison.

      Finally, you need to understand that your electricity is heavily subsidized if you live near a nuke plant. Nuke plant power costs would be around 18 cents per kWH for new plants in the US (and that's a conservative estimate; costs to build plants are skyrocketing, all current projects in Europe are WAY over budget and it gets worse every year). Solar farms in good locations consistently produce power at 22-25 cents per kWH. Note this include materials, construction, maintenance, etc.

      Yes, there's a cost gap. But that gap is closing.

      Also, in checking my numbers, I came across this article from earlier today about the skyrocketing costs of nuclear power. It mentions estimated prices of 12 - 20 cents per kWh. My figure of 18 cents is the Keystone Center's midrange estimate.

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    10. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by hardburn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, let's wait for a perfect, 100% pure solution before replacing the ugly, dirty, nasty coal energy plants we have right now.

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    11. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by Marcika · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was only this year that the solar cell industry celebrated break the $1/watt barrier. Meanwhile, I'm getting power piped into my home at a few cents a kilowatt from a nuke plant ten minutes drive from here. And the power plant will last a lot longer than solar cells stapled to some roof will.

      Don't spread FUD here if you can't get your physical units right! You get "power" for a few cents per kWh, not kW (they sell you energy, not power actually - the difference is important). The thin-film solar cells have broken 1$ per Watt installed - i.e. per measure of power which will produce energy year-in, year-out (viz. 1 kWh every 42 days) and thus might end up being as cheap as nuclear energy if you count in the nukes' externalities like reprocessing, security, radioactive waste that are mostly dealt with by the government...

    12. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by kimvette · · Score: 1

      . . . and if they see you doing it, they'll even give you free bracelets! :)

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    13. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by fractoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Along the same vein, I justify driving my old, fuel-inefficient sports car by taking the dinosaurs' viewpoint. They were wiped out by global cooling, man! Releasing all this sequestered carbon dioxide is just my way of saving the planet. Someday when your grandchildren are living in the subtropical paradise that Antarctica will become, you'll thank me.

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    14. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by falconwolf · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm getting power piped into my home at a few cents a kilowatt from a nuke plant ten minutes drive from here.

      Without subsidies, never mind the cost of cleaning up, that nuclear power plant isn't profitable.

      And the power plant will last a lot longer than solar cells stapled to some roof will.

      And leave a lot of hazardous waste. Meanwhile as technology improves those solar cells can be replaced.

      Falcon

    15. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and thus might end up being as cheap as nuclear energy if you count in the nukes' externalities like reprocessing, security, radioactive waste that are mostly dealt with by the government

      In the US at least, nuclear power plant operators are required to pay into the Nuclear Waste Fund for just this purpose. "As of March 31, 2005, the total revenue paid into the Nuclear Waste Fund amounted to $24.9 billion. Of that amount, only $8.9 billion has been spent on program costs, leaving a balance of $16.02 billion that has been collected, but not applied to the used nuclear fuel disposal program." So there is a big (and growing) pile of money for whatever long-term solution we eventually settle on.

      I am not sure of the degree to which security costs are externalized. I think they pay their own dedicated protective forces, or pay the NRC a security fee. But after 911, the National Guard also got involved, which sounds like an externality, though I don't know whether that was permanent.

    16. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      When you say $1/Watt, do you mean, at the installation time, or at end of life? The amount of degradation and its speed is particularly important. Also, is the $1/watt the peak power of the panel, or the average over a cloudless year at some reference lattitude?

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    17. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by Marcika · · Score: 1

      The $1/watt is for the panel only, without installation, and it is a peak figure - so actually you don't really get 1kWh from a $1 panel in 42 days (that was just for illustration) but about an order of magnitude less. But over the lifetime, this still ends up being very cheap, as the panels now live 25 years without too much degradation (only 20% or so) or a lot of maintenance. (The wiki has some cost estimates: 5 to 20 cents per kWh depending on insolation and installation costs.)

    18. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by fwr · · Score: 2, Informative

      While technically correct, a subsidy is more commonly used to describe an outright grant of money, with no requirement to pay it back. Such as the government subsidizing PBS, or the Arts programs, or giving grants for medical research. A loan guarantee, which is what the article is talking about, is not what most people would call a subsidy.

      You could also say that solar technology is highly subsidized by the government, and otherwise isn't profitable.

      Solar Financing, Subsidies, and Incentives

      Some of them are financing, which if just a loan guarantee is what people are talking about for the nuclear industry in the future, but some are outright tax breaks (grants, or real subsidies).

    19. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      While technically correct, a subsidy is more commonly used to describe an outright grant of money, with no requirement to pay it back. Such as the government subsidizing PBS, or the Arts programs, or giving grants for medical research. A loan guarantee, which is what the article is talking about, is not what most people would call a subsidy.

      Yes, the article does mention a loan guaranty but it also says tax subsidies are used. It also says that because of the large upfront capital costs, "10 to 15 times as great as for a small gas-fired turbine", nuclear power has to be "substantially cheaper than coal- or gas-fired power to get orders in a free market." Notice how it also says that in China, France, India, and Russia, which do not have the regulations the US does industry does not decide what gets built, that the governments do. "Nuclear power appeals to state planners, not market actors."

      one thing is it does not say anything about is cost overruns. In a thread about another article someone said how nuclear power in Finland is profitable. However CNN has an article, "POWER POINTS: Cost Concerns Loom Over US Nuclear Revival", about how a power plant's construction cost have been overrun. The plant is being built by France's Areva S.A., which is owned by the French government, has a "budget overrun so far at about $2.16 billion." NASDAQ, you know the US stock exchange, has an article by Dow Jones on it's website. "Study Warns Of Cost Overruns At Proposed Reactors" by Steve Gelsi has this as it's first paragraph:
      "A new academic study warns the cost of building nuclear power plants will likely come in at the high end of current industry estimates of $5 billion to $8 billion each. It also warned it would be cheaper for the U.S. to instead focus on energy efficiency and alternative sources such as wind and solar."
      Greenchange has the article "Cost overruns plague nuclear renaissance in Finland" about Finland's cost overruns. And there are many more.

      You could also say that solar technology is highly subsidized by the government, and otherwise isn't profitable.

      Solar Financing, Subsidies, and Incentives

      Notice how the guide you link to says "It's a little-known fact that governments subsidize the petroleum industry. In the U.S., for example (according to sources), between 5 and 10 billion dollars a year of taxpayers' money goes to the petroleum industry. Less than 500 million a year goes to renewables." Sure renewable energy sources get subsidies but those subsidies are a small fraction of the subsides coal, nuclear, and petroleum get. Without those subsidies alternatives like solar and wind could very well be cost competitive.

      YouTube has the video of Rep Edward Markey's "My Climate Bill 'Has Huge Subsidies For Clean Coal! Huge!'" speech. In it he details the subsidies he included in a bill he submitted. He starts by says that over the past years the nuclear industry has received $125 billion in subsidies whereas solar and wind combined have only received $5 billion. Nuclear power got 21 tymes as much taxpayer dollars as solar and wind.

      Falcon

    20. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Fuck that. We should just abandon all science and research in energy that is more expensive than nuclear or coal. Yeah, fuck solar power... it might take actual work to get it to be econimically feasable. Meanwhile, we've already speant 100X what it would take to get solar power economically feasable on making nuclear energy economically feasable. We should just stop advancing technology and just stick with what we've already wasted trillions on... that way Joe Nuke's electric bill won't go from $60/month to $110/month and his whole economic universe won't collapse.

    21. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's wait for a perfect, 100% pure solution before replacing the ugly, dirty, nasty coal energy plants we have right now.

      Well, it's better than replacing the ugly, dirty, nasty coal energy plants we have right now with expensive, under-developed, and potentially dangerous alternatives.

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  9. Wanted: cheap, not efficient by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    30%? 40%? Efficiency only matters if you're constrained by space (airplanes) or by weight (satellites). 15%-efficient solar cells are good enough that you can power your house with them by covering your roof -- or would be, if they were produced cheaply and in quantity.

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    1. Re:Wanted: cheap, not efficient by jcaplan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The article mentions the efficiency of the cell at 500x normal sunlight, so the idea here is to use inexpensive mirrors to concentrate the light onto expensive cells. The setup is bulkier, but could be cost effective, even with very expensive cells, since you buy fewer cells. With mirrors and high efficiency cells, you also can get the same power out of a much smaller installation. This setup might not be ideal for residential rooftops, but would work for large flat-roofed buildings and desert installations.

    2. Re:Wanted: cheap, not efficient by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If you are going to do that, just us industrial solar thermal.

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    3. Re:Wanted: cheap, not efficient by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "15%-efficient solar cells are good enough that you can power your house with them by covering your roof "
      I'd like to see how you came up with that number.

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    4. Re:Wanted: cheap, not efficient by dtfusion · · Score: 1

      Maybe for new construction. Half the cost of retrofitting solar cells on existing homes is installation. Even if they were free, it wouldn't be economical to install them. To both efficiency and cost play a role. If I don't need to cover my whole roof, installation is cheaper.

    5. Re:Wanted: cheap, not efficient by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      I'll base this on the house where I grew up: a 2000-square-foot single-story house on the outskirts of Seattle:

      190 square meters of roof. Assume that only the south-facing side is usable: 85 square meters of sun-facing surface. That's 85kW of sunlight, which at 15% is about 13kW of electricity. Since this is Seattle, assume four usable hours of sunlight a day: 52kWH per day, or about 1560kWH per month. Unless you've got electric baseboard heating (you do find that in the Seattle area), that's more than you're going to need.

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  10. What about average efficiency? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to belittle this accomplishment, but I'd prefer to see an increase in average efficiency. According to the article the peak efficiency is found when panels are exposed to light 500 times that of normal light. How does that translate to efficiency under normal operating conditions (such as a semi-cloudy day in the midwest)? The article is rather short on details concerning how well the solar cells operate when they are "tailored to their locations."

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    1. Re:What about average efficiency? by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to belittle this accomplishment, but I'd prefer to see an increase in average efficiency. According to the article the peak efficiency is found when panels are exposed to light 500 times that of normal light. How does that translate to efficiency under normal operating conditions (such as a semi-cloudy day in the midwest)?

      It translates into an acre of cheap mirrors instead of an acre of expensive solar panels.

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    2. Re:What about average efficiency? by willy_me · · Score: 1

      Mirrors are cheaper then solar cells. Being able to focus light onto a solar cell can be a cost effective way of generating electricity - if the solar cell is designed to handle the extra light. The other possible application would be for satellites. Thin reflective foil is much lighter then a solar cell. You would have a similar setup where the foil focuses the light onto a central solar cell.

    3. Re:What about average efficiency? by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      There is no average efficiency, because unfortunately the bastard that designed this version of Earth didn't make solar radiation distribution gaussian. You could file a complaint with Him, but I understand there's quite a backlog. In the meantime, I'd suggest moving to a desert near the equator if you want to eek out those few extra watts. Whatever you do, don't move to Minnesota -- For some reason, snow and solar panels get along like a big house on fire.

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    4. Re:What about average efficiency? by chill · · Score: 1

      The Quantasol device can cope with much brighter light without becoming overloaded, making it possible to use a very small solar cell to absorb light collected by a system of cheap lenses and mirrors.

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    5. Re:What about average efficiency? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, thank you, you've successfully tested my ability to read and recall memories. What I'd really like to know is how many of these cheap lenses and mirrors will now be necessary vs how many I was using before, and how much more efficient will the operation of storing energy be on days when the sky is not absolutely cloudless? I realize that the solar cell is more efficient at absorbing light, but how can this be applied to a "normal" usage pattern (when we're not talking about 500x the normal amount of light)? I don't mean for a satellite, or a solar farm, or anything like that. I'm talking about non-commercial usage, such as an individual home.

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    6. Re:What about average efficiency? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no average efficiency, because unfortunately the bastard that designed this version of Earth didn't make solar radiation distribution gaussian.

      Perhaps not, however the light that actually reaches the panels is in no way constant. Some days will be cloudier (or smoggier for that matter) than others, so it is great that we have really good peak efficiency with these new cells, but how often will that peak be reached and how well does it operate at less than optimal light conditions? I'm looking for practical, non-commercial applications.

      For some reason, snow and solar panels get along like a big house on fire.

      What about solar panels pointed at burning houses coated in magnesium? Maybe the peak efficiency will be useful there ;-)

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    7. Re:What about average efficiency? by foxylad · · Score: 1

      This might be a good thing, cost-wise - you use a parabolic mirror (cheap) to concentrate normal light 500 times onto this collector, instead of needing a normal collector 500 times bigger.

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    8. Re:What about average efficiency? by fractoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're already buying an acre or more of heliostatic mirrors, it'd probably be cheaper and more efficient to use a solar fired steam turbine to do the generating. Then, if you use a molten salt reservoir, you have some energy storage for night-time power generation as well.

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    9. Re:What about average efficiency? by cpotoso · · Score: 5, Informative

      It translates into an acre of cheap mirrors instead of an acre of expensive solar panels.

      Not quite the same: concentrating mirrors suck in anything but a perfectly clear day (i.e. no clouds), but a simple non-concentrated PV panel still works quite well with some (not much) cloud coverage. In other words: unless you live in AZ or some other desert, stick with non-concentrated PV panels.

    10. Re:What about average efficiency? by mea37 · · Score: 1

      Solar -> Thermal -> Mechanical -> Electrical is "probably more efficient" than Solar -> Electrical?

      I guess I'd like to see numbers to back that up.

      I also doubt it will be cheaper, once you account for maintenance of the mechanical components.

      Yes, I suppose you could use molten salt as a battery for thermal energy. On the other hand, you could use a battery as a battery for electrical energy, and you won't spend the entire day fighting against thermodynamics to keep your reserve from leaking away.

      A steam-based system may be conceptually simpler, but I'd need a citation or two to believe it has long-term advantages. (It may have short-term advantages in that it's possible to implement with components that exist and are well udnerstood today; but that's why there's R&D.)

    11. Re:What about average efficiency? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No, mirrors work on cloudy days.

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    12. Re:What about average efficiency? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      a simple non-concentrated PV panel still works quite well with some (not much) cloud coverage.

      That depends on the panel. On some panels a leaf can cut power production.

      Falcon

  11. Silicon efficiency by ender06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Current silicon cells are about 15-20% average efficiency, NOT 10-12%. They peak at just over 25% efficient as demonstrated by the research lab at the University of New South Wales in Australia.

    SunPower A300 silicon cells average about 20% per bin.

  12. The Solar Panel in My Soul by basementman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How would it adapt to the darkness of my soul?

    1. Re:The Solar Panel in My Soul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Grow a pair gothy faggot.

    2. Re:The Solar Panel in My Soul by fractoid · · Score: 1

      It won't, for the simple reason that it, like everything else in this world, cannot understand the pain you feel.

      I suggest installing one of these novelty light-up toys instead.

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  13. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's true. The Fraunhofer Institute itself has produced more efficient cells. And all use multiple junctions.

    Examples:
    Fraunhofer - triple junction
    NREL - triple junction
    University of Delaware - bream splitting

    All claim to be the record because there is no standardized way to measure power efficiency. However, the concept of quantum wells used in solar cells is a new concept.

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  14. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, and since this thing is already made of GaAs, why not go all out and use a triple-junction cell? Their goal is to tune it to a specific wavelength, but triple-junction cells are already absorbing more wavelengths.

  15. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My guess is that it's a lot more expensive. Semiconductor devices have to be processed in vacuum conditions and often at high temperatures; and the more precessing you use (triple junction has minimum 4 layers), the higher the cost. This is why there's interest in alternative, non-semiconductor devices like dye-based and conjugated polymer cells. Easy to produce in solution and at low temperature, no vacuum. There's a plethora of other undesirables in semiconductor solar cells too, like weight, inflexibility, etc.

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  18. 500x normal sunlight. by Jartan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like the interesting part here isn't the efficiency but that it's efficient enough and can handle a lot of extra sunlight via mirrors. The article fails to give any info though on what kind of efficiency other solar cells can achieve with mirrors focused on them. Without any reference it's hard to get an idea for whether or not this is even useful though.

    1. Re:500x normal sunlight. by ender06 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spectrolab has the solar cell world record with their triple junction GaAs cells at 40.7% at about 400x or 500x. Amonix Corporation has the silicon world record at 27.6% at approximately the same concentration level.

  19. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    multijunction cells can also perform worse then single junction cells in non-optimum light conditions. A cell's output is effectively throttled by the lowest producing junction (similar to why it's so bad to allow a shadow to fall on part of an array). So if its cloudy or something and most of your light is reflected, you can get more power out of a low-wavelength single junction cell then you can out of a triple junction one.

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  21. The Magic 5 Years by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    And no doubt these new improved cells will be available for commercial use in only 5 years - for the next 25 years!

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  22. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by itwerx · · Score: 1

    Eh, beat me to it! And there have been incremental increases in efficiency across a whole range of cell technologies on a regular basis, including the use of quantum wells, (and other quantum effects), in other materials. In fact, the only reason it's even possible to insinuate any big hoopla about GaAs cells is that they've been around so long a lot of experimenters have stopped trying to improve them. Badly worded article/summary for sure...

  23. Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does not matter at all when solar cells take more energy to make than they will generate through their entire lives. Which was at least true for solar cells a decade ago. Maybe even today.

    What is the ratio (energy produced):(enery to make)?

    1. Re:Not really by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A manufacturer does not sell a product for less than it costs to make. The cost to make it includes the cost of the energy that it takes to make it.
      Assume I buy a 1 watt cell for $3 (No, you wouldn't buy a single watt cell). At $0.05/kwH, if half the cost was energy, it would take 30 kwH to make the cell. How much energy will I get out of it? Assume 6 hr/day, and the cell lasts for 20 years, then it would produce 44 kwH over its lifetime (1w x 6 hr/day x 365 day / year x 20 years).
      Of course, I'm just making these numbers up, YMMV, etc. But, I can't see any way that it takes more energy to make than it will produce based on the math.

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  24. Article Short On... Well, Everything. by Teufelhunden25 · · Score: 1

    I'm not trying to berate the accomplishment or the effort, but 28.3% efficiency vs. 10 - 12% and light 500x brighter than sunlight? Where on Earth will that occur? Also, Mr. Arthur states that the new cells can "generate." Solar cells generate nothing. They convert one form of energy into another. As a matter-of-fact, you can neither create nor destroy energy, you can only convert its form. I'm sick of folks talking about "generating" energy. I have occasion to build solar-powered repeaters for relay from remote locations. My first complaint is the size, second is efficiency. The solar cells are about 3'Hx1.5'W and have an output of around 19VDC for a 12VDC photocell. What do I do with the extra 7VDC? It's wasted as heat. I have to use a charge controller to regulate the voltage down to a useable amount. This increases my cost and decreases the over-all efficiency of the site. How much to you really need to convert when you cannot use but a certain amount?

  25. You can do that already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It won't power your data centre, but then again your requirement didn't make any sense anyway.

  26. Routing problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't the difference that you cannot use the entire surface area as solar converters and that the dead areas mean you're wasting ~2/3 of the surface to routing energy to the output?

  27. what am I missing here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must be missing something, because they used "its" correctly in the original post. "its" is for possessive because "it's" is reserved for the contraction of "it is". "Its" is more similar to "his" or "hers" than "gadget's" or "cell's". but since you've been modded informative instead of funny, I'm guessing my understanding has been eclipsed by the greater /. audience's wisdom. Perhaps someone would condescend to tell me what I'm missing? Perhaps the original post has been edited since this comment was made? Knowing my luck I'll get modded 5 funny for my quaint naivete....

  28. Wikipedia (yeah, I know) shows lower nuclear costs by wurp · · Score: 1

    Cut-n-paste:
    Factoring in all these issues, various groups have attempted to calculate a true economic cost for electricity generated by the most modern designs proposed. Because if an actual cost per kW*h can be calculated, then it is possible to compare it to other power sources to determine if such an investment is economically sound.

    In 2003, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) issued a report entitled, "The Future of Nuclear Power". They estimated that new nuclear power in the US would cost 6.7 cents per kW*h.[1] However, the Energy Policy Act of 2005 includes a tax credit that should reduce that cost slightly.

    The lifetime cost of new generating capacity in the United States was estimated in 2006 by the U.S. government (the 2007 report did not estimate costs). Nuclear power was estimated at 5.93 cents per kW*h. However, the "total overnight cost" for new nuclear was assumed to be $1,984 per kWe - as seen above in Capital Costs, this figure is subject to debate.

    A 2008 study based on historical outcomes in the U.S. said costs for nuclear power can be expected to run $0.25-.30 per kW*h.

    A 2008 study concluded that if carbon capture and storage was required then nuclear power would be the cheapest source of electricity even at $4,038/kW in overnight capital cost.

    In 2009, MIT updated its 2003 study, concluding that inflation and rising construction costs had increased the overnight cost of nuclear power plants to about $4,000/kWe, and thus increased the power cost to 8.4c/kW*h.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_new_nuclear_power_plants#Cost_per_kW.C2.B7h

  29. Re:Article Short On... Well, Everything. by James+McP · · Score: 1

    Well, if you use a 4 sq. foot lens over a 1 sq. inch cell you have ~576x brightness, assuming a perfect lens and no atmospheric absorption. More realistically you'd get closer to 500x brightness.

    So if you use cheap, non-imaging fresnel lenses as concentrators you can get by with far fewer cells. At 28.3% efficiency, that 1 sq.in. cell will put out up to 0.2Kw, depending on location.

    You can argue that they are converters rather than generators but that's just being pedantic.

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  30. Whatever you do, don't move to Minnesota by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    For some reason, snow and solar panels get along like a big house on fire.

    What I heard is that there are small scale, ie residential, solar installations here in MN. Heck even solar thermal water heating is being used. MN is also good for wind. Though not much the state produces megawatts of energy from wind.

    Falcon

  31. Price per watt is what matters to me by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    I am happy people can design solar cells that convert light to electricity at higher efficiencies.

    But for me, I am interested that the price per watt of power goes down. So I would hope some folks are focusing price efficiencies. When I read solarbuzz, the price has basically been stuck around US$4/watt for years.

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  32. In stores or it did not happen by toriver · · Score: 1

    I am getting bored with all these technological breakthroughs that mysteriously never seem to actually lead to something I can pay money for and get in my hands. Plastic optical memory, I am looking at you, too.

  33. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes but this cell isn't meant for production it's a proof of concept which would go into a mulitjunction cell to hopefully get the efficiency over 40%. The big hurdle for MJ cells at the moment is finding a 4th 1eV bandgap cell. Perhaps this could provide it. It's other advantage is that efficiency is a poor metric for meauring performance. What's really important is kwh/year. These cells can be tuned to the spectral conditions of a specific place: Southern Spain/California/the Middle East have similar quantities of solar energy but are spectrally different.