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Google Apps Leave Beta

Today Google announced that they're removing the "beta" label from Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Docs and Google Talk. They said, "We've come to appreciate that the beta tag just doesn't fit for large enterprises that aren't keen to run their business on software that sounds like it's still in the trial phase." Quoting the NYTimes: "'Obviously we haven't had a consistent set of policies or definitions around beta,' said Matt Glotzbach, a director of product management at Google. Mr. Glotzbach said that different teams at Google had different criteria for what beta meant, and that Google felt a need to standardize those. ... Practically speaking, the change will mean precious little to Gmail's millions of users. But it could help Google's efforts to get the paid version of its package of applications, which includes Gmail, Calendar, Docs and other products, adopted inside big companies."

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  1. Beta by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, duh. Google marks apps as beta so they have no uptime or reliability requirements to the end user. You can't blame businesses for wanting software they've paid for to not have such an inherent disclaimer.

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    1. Re:Beta by bemymonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wasn't the paid version non-beta all along?

      IIRC only the free versions were marked beta...

    2. Re:Beta by eldaria · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have used the premium Google apps for a little over a year, and only today the logo had the beta label removed, I were actually reading about it on Engadget, flipped to the tab with my mail and saw that it had beta on the logo, refreshed the page and the beta label was gone.

    3. Re:Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      >Wasn't the paid version non-beta all along?

      Yeah, and it's reliable. There's really no reason for small and medium businesses to run their own mail servers anymore.

    4. Re:Beta by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks for sharing your opinion, Sergey.

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    5. Re:Beta by Zarel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did you check "Enable pre-release features" or "Next generation" in the Google Apps domain settings? It's my impression that only explicitly enabling beta features like that would cause the "beta" label to appear. If those are unchecked, you should see no "beta" label.

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  2. wtf by trybywrench · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they don't have a definition for "beta" then why was it there in the first place?

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    1. Re:wtf by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have always had a definition.

      The problem was that it was just a beta version. They'll be unveiling the 'Release' definition shortly.

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    2. Re:wtf by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's a good question, but if you think about it, it's pretty understandable. If you remember, Gmail used to by an invite-only thing that they were testing. When each of these services were first introduced, they were unstable (both in terms of reliability and the unpredictability of changes) enough to warrant the "beta" tag.

      So they probably had a vague and intuitive notion of what "beta" meant to them. However, if you don't have a clear and specific definition of "beta", then there will never be a moment when it clearly makes sense to drop the label.

  3. I use Google Apps, but by C_Kode · · Score: 3, Informative

    We use Google Apps for business purposes, but selectively. It just doesn't work for all my documents. By the term "all", I mean most. We basically use it to keep track of certain project details among other things, but not for any of our real documents.

  4. Today is a good day by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So many things today I didn't see coming!
    -We finally get a straight answer from Microsoft on C#, in favour of OSS
    -Russia and the US agree to disarm
    -Microsoft admits there's a security flaw in ActiveX
    -VLC reaches 1.0
    -Google's stuff gets out of Beta
    Either I need to pay more attention, or drop my cynicism. I guess I kind of expected them to happen, just not for a while yet.

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    1. Re:Today is a good day by sigmoid_balance · · Score: 3, Funny

      Makes you check calendar to see if it's April's Fool, doesn't it?

    2. Re:Today is a good day by ratnerstar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, and I didn't even have to use my AK!

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    3. Re:Today is a good day by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 5, Funny

      I expect GNU Hurd by the end of the week.

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  5. holy shit! by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    I haven't been this surprised since Amazon turned a profit.

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  6. Nooooo! by bomanbot · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is just great. Google Mail is finally out of Beta. Duke Nukem Forever is cancelled. If finally there is a year of Linux on the Desktop, only an unfinished GNU Hurd stands between us and the Apocalypse... ;-)

  7. Two definitions of "stable" by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is, there are two different definitions of "stable" one is, the application doesn't crash or have lots of downtime, the other is the application doesn't change. Gmail was stable by the first and most common definition, however I don't think Google imagined Gmail was stable by the second definition. However, a few years later, it became clear that Gmail was more or less stable by both definitions.

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  8. 100 million by necro81 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gmail has 100 million users and has been around over five years. Apps has 1.75 million. So, yes, about damn time.

  9. For those of you disappointed by this announcement by grantham · · Score: 5, Funny

    They've give you the option to put your own version of Gmail back into beta, you know, if you're into that sort of thing:
    http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/gmail-leaves-beta-launches-back-to-beta.html

  10. The good news: Google apps are all out of beta! by sootman · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bad news: they're all entering 'Gamma'

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  11. Simple Marketing by malevolentjelly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Calling Google Apps "Beta" was likely a pragmatic move on the front of both marketing to bleeding edge internet enthusiasts who are addicted to novelty and engineering in limiting the expectations and liability of google products. They could maintain beta quality products and code and levels of support as long as they kept the beta moniker.

    However, I feel that the web's incestuous advertising scheme is beginning to dry up in these times of economic peril, so google needs to go for harder sources of money, like enterprises. Now they're no longer circumventing Microsoft in the market but facing them head to head for a position in the enterprise. Microsoft has as strong position in this market, so they have a certain legacy and stability, which enterprises appreciate.

    The first step for Google in combating this will be the simple rebranding of their products to give the semblance of maturity. In reality, any recent changes to the code are minimal to superficial, so this is merely a marketing maneuver and says nothing about the practical roles of beta and gold software in software engineering. It's a welcome change, but it is yet to be seen whether google has the attention span to maintain stable enterprise products. Offering a consistent platform will also open them up to the sort of demonization that Microsoft has faced up until now, as expectations may rise above what they can deliver.

    In short, Google is growing up.

  12. It does not mean what you think it means by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "We've come to appreciate that the beta tag just doesn't fit for large enterprises that aren't keen to run their business on software that sounds like it's still in the trial phase."

    That's what beta means, you idiot! It means it's in the trial phase! You mean I've been right all along, and the beta tag was just an excuse to eliminate complaints? Well color me shocked. The attitude has got a whiff of evil about it.

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  13. Re:Some say that the freebie version will end, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is not true. From the Google official blog:

    We've heard some questions about why the link to Google Apps Standard Edition disappeared from the Enterprise Apps home page, so we wanted to share the answer. As we explored a few design changes to the page, the link to Standard Edition was inadvertently dropped, although the free version of Apps was, as always, available here. We've put the link back where it belongs so that it's easy to find.

    We have no intention of eliminating Standard Edition, and we apologize for any confusion.

  14. Re:Beta or not... by Tacvek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, but Google Apps uses your own domain name. Hence the reason why it was originally named "Google Apps for Your Domain". The name has since been shortened, but that fact still remains.

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