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Prof. Nesson Ordered To Show Cause
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Professor Charles Nesson, the Harvard law professor serving pro bono as counsel to the defendant in SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum, has been ordered to show cause why sanctions should not be issued against him for violating the Court's orders prohibiting reproduction of the court proceedings. The order to show cause was in furtherance of the RIAA's motion for sanctions and protective order, which we discussed here yesterday. The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard' of her order."
Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandals
Yes.
surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting.
What have you submitted lately?
Free Martian Whores!
With the RIAA's blatant disregard for sanity with its imaginary damages. My imaginary friend Drop Dead Fred was more real.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard" of her order.'
When you cut off your nose to spite your face, you never look better.
Sometimes it is better to lose the battle to win the war.
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Maybe the court copyrighted them?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
...as a citizen I've been "deeply concerned" by the US Court system's "blatant disregard" for our rights against the RIAA/MPAA and their ilk.
I'm deeply concerned that the court is being the RIAA's pawn and making orders that have no other purpose than to protect a slimy group of companies' public image...
Do you have ESP?
To me, Nesson's conduct is right on the line between brilliant tactics, and just plain nuts. I can see it either way.
Check the mp3 URL's on TFA. Jury tainting is a bullshit excuse. They know damn well if the public knew the facts about what was going on in our courtroom[we pay for]: we would be outside with pitchforks and torches waiting to lynch the plaintiff.
It's a horrible attempt at keeping the taxpayers in the dark about this whole ordeal.
Trackball users will be first against the wall.
No, we really don't. But look, I see somebody has called you a shill already. Welcome to the Club of the Speedily Accused. We get together every year on Devil's Island in the Fall.
It was very astute of that particular AC to figure out that the entire world is separated into either RIAA shills or those who care passionately about the daily motions and orders and findings of every court case the RIAA is currently involved in. I bow before such a gifted mind. Maybe we should put them in charge of the Precrime division.
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The professor had to expect something like this. It's like playing chess. He'll respond with his next move, etc...
It's interesting to watch this and the Camara case unfold. Much better than 'Lost' or Reality TV because the results actually do effect me.
These professors (this one and the city of heroes professor) are bypassing rules to basically focus on the x,y, or z. There are rules for engaging 2 or more people, societies and most definitely the judicial systems. Trying to focus on the abstract with out playing by the rules gets you kicked out of the game. It's no real loss when you get kicked out of an MMO by the player base you can move on.
However, when you mess up a court case you start setting precedents, and screwing a lot more people than yourself and your client. Pissing off a judge which this Prof. has done before is not going to bode well. Maybe he should stick to academia.
Disconnect from the RIAA.
- Do not provide them with money, directly or indirectly.
- Do not consume their products, legally or illegally.
As a bad faith actor, the RIAA must be exiled from our community.
Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.
Convince two others to do the same.
You have heard of the firehose, haven't you? You have a say.
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You have heard of the firehose, haven't you? You have a say.
Yes, I have and I do. Turns out that's not all it takes to front page a story, though. Front paged stories get discussion. Hence, I would like more interesting front page stories in order to have more interesting discussions, rather than more and more anti-RIAA circle-jerks.
It's really not such a difficult concept.
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The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???
Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcity that could only work in a time where information carriers and distribution were the bottlenecks. Now with the internet and ridiculously large storage devices, this bottleneck has been eliminated entirely. So much in fact, that everyone can carry tens of thousands of songs - entire genres - in their pocket.
They need and deserve to fail. This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for!
It is a very important fight and one that needs to be won. I say: give us all the information there is!
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These are cases that affect all of us. Your disinterest is not necessarily a reflection on the desires of the rest of us. Personally, if I never saw another MMORG post again I'd be happy as a clam, but you don't see me posting in those threads asking why they're so commonly approved. How about a little live-and-let-live?
"We can categorically state we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." - UK military spokesman, July 2007
So... Firehose? I know it's a new feature and all, but still.
The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???
No, we don't. But we already all agree on that. Either that, or those who feel otherwise are set in their ways. So most of your post is just more preaching to the choir. Would you say you see any actual insight coming about from this new information? Would it in any way have helped you to read a single post about this order, rather than getting an update once the order has been responded to and the topic has been mostly decided?
That's my main beef. I like to hear updates, but we've just gotten too fine grained. We don't really need to know about every specific motion and order and legal maneuver. Lawyers on both sides in every trial do tons of shit, not expecting a lot of it to work but just trying it out. For people who are really obsessed with legal maneuvering, Ray's blog is a fine source of daily info.
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Do you really need to be a baker to tell that a loaf of bread is stale?
Ezekiel 23:20
this process is so clean and efficient when the RIAA's the victim but when the RIAA lawyers break rules this stuff, if it happens, gets dragged on and on until it's forgotten.
Yes, yes we do~
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
In a word, "yes".
You can see from this article and the pressure that's being put on Professor Nesson to keep the proceedings secret that the RIAA has reasons to keep what it's doing out of the media.
That's the best reason I can think of for making sure it gets in the media at every opportunity. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on our justice system or corporate media, both of whom are heavily influenced by corporate money, to tell us what's going on.
Maybe you think the most important thing we can read about on Slashdot is the latest patches for the iPhone, but what's happening in our courts right now is going to have a much greater impact on our lives and use of technology for years to come.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The way I see things, that one is the actual problem. If they did not have so much undue influence over the political process they very well may have been forced to adapt to the Information Age already. Even if that isn't true at all, I would still say it's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people.
I think the biggest single mistake we made was to give corporations all of the rights of a real person. The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations). That should be against the law, with the penalty being the revocation of their corporate charter, the public auctioning of all assets, and the proceeds returning to the shareholders. If they participate in politics by means of front groups, that should be against the same law with the addition of criminal fraud charges, personally applicable to any members of management who helped to arrange it.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
You know, you might want to be here for more than a couple of months before you start telling the editors how to do their jobs.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Holy fuck, did you tell him!
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Trolling is a art,
Well you know, the RIAAs crimes do not go away, just because you find them less interesting with time.
I bet when the Nazis rose in Germany, you would also stated that there would be too much stories about the NSDAP in the news.
Ooh, it bores you? Well, then we must stop. Because your entertainment is the most important thing on the planet! Nothing can come between you and it.
How rude of some people, to actually still care about the systematic deconstruction of our freedom and of the Internet as we know it.
Stop whining! If you want to stop those stories, DO SOMETHING against the RIAA!
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Disconnect from the RIAA. - Do not provide them with money, directly or indirectly. - Do not consume their products, legally or illegally.
As a bad faith actor, the RIAA must be exiled from our community.
Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.
Convince two others to do the same.
This might actually solve the real problem. It would also send the right message.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
Want some cheese too?
"Be prepared, son. That's my motto. Be prepared." --Joe Hallenbeck
Yes! Slashdot's new game!
RIAA on White, Sanity on Black
It's an Alekhine's Defense to the mark!
1. RIAA-e4, Jammie Thomas - f6
2. RIAA-e5, Jammie Thomas -d5
3. RIAA-d4, Prof Nesson- d6
4. RIAA-c4, Jammie Thomas gets kicked to b6 with the 1.92Mil verdict.
5. RIAA-f4 , ____
We have only about 3 moves left before they get a total lock. Our move.
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You know, you might want to be here for more than a couple of months before you start telling the editors how to do their jobs.
Clue for you: you can create new accounts. My oldest one dates to right after they added accounts. I've been around and posting comments since a few months after slashdot was created. Abandoned it about the time I decided I didn't want my boss knowing how much I was slacking off posting to slashdot (I had my name on my sig for a while and all it takes is one google search for my name to link me to it).
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Try reading my post. I didn't complain about coverage of the trails, but about the level of detail. Hell, it was right there in the TITLE.
My post was no more self-centered than your little rant here, and if I do say so myself it was quite a bit less petulant. Time to take your own advice about whining.
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How is it that everyone on this site with a 7-digit UID is actually an old-timer with a single-digit UID who forgot his password? It's uncanny.
Yes! you may go!
Why bother
But it's not being posted in "the media." It's being posted on slashdot, a site where the great majority of us are already on-board the "RIAA is evil" bandwagon. It's not changing any minds having the legal minutiae posted here.
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The person who called whiledo (1515553) a "shill" after his first comment on this thread did accuse him too quickly.
However, his subsequent posts, and his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners, do bolster the accusation, and indicate a shill-like nature, if not outright shill-dom.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Clearly, you haven't seen what the stories in the Firehose are like...
Considering that intellectual "property" affects practically every area of interest covered on Slashdot, it seems appropriate to discuss it when it comes up, no matter the section.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being "a public performance." I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.
DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs. There's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day...
"Be prepared, son. That's my motto. Be prepared." --Joe Hallenbeck
An even better question is: do we really need copyright?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Don't /. readers have a say in what makes it to the front page? Maybe your beef is with the community. I for one like keeping up on this topic, and I'll continue supporting it, as it has the potential to really affect the internet as a whole, which as you know it is very important to our daily lives.
Health Freedom is almost as popular as Freedom itself.
The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???
No, we don't. But we already all agree on that. Either that, or those who feel otherwise are set in their ways. So most of your post is just more preaching to the choir. Would you say you see any actual insight coming about from this new information? Would it in any way have helped you to read a single post about this order, rather than getting an update once the order has been responded to and the topic has been mostly decided?
That's my main beef. I like to hear updates, but we've just gotten too fine grained. We don't really need to know about every specific motion and order and legal maneuver. Lawyers on both sides in every trial do tons of shit, not expecting a lot of it to work but just trying it out. For people who are really obsessed with legal maneuvering, Ray's blog is a fine source of daily info.
I consider that, so far as I know, no one has forced you to read this story. I consider as well that you have probably made more posts in this story than any other single poster. Further, there are stories here on the Slashdot main page which really don't interest me; you won't see me posting in them.
In light of that, I believe that what you're doing here is like going into a Mexican restaurant and then complaining to the staff that you really don't like Mexican food. Further, you're getting outraged that said restaurant won't accommodate you when they point out that another restaurant serving food that you do like is across the street. It's something of an entitlement mentality. Now I will tell you one occurrence that is extremely rare, as in it nearly never happens: pointing out to someone in a non-inflammatory, reasonable way that they are displaying an entitlement mentality, and then having them appreciate it and understand that there are more graceful ways. I'm betting you won't appreciate this, but what the hell, thought I'd give it a shot.
A more constructive approach would be to write to the Slashdot staff and ask for more flexible story categories, that way you can just set up your own preferences so that you don't have to be so bothered by headlines that don't interest you. I've written them on a couple of things myself and have found them to be quite reasonable and accommodating. That's even though I am not a paid subscriber. I have no idea if they'd help you with this since I cannot speak for them, but coming from a paid subscriber like you it would definitely be worth a shot.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
If you are tired of reading them why must you read them just to post that you are tired of reading them. Have some compassion for those of us that are not tired of them and just cease and desist! Stop reading go away and shut the f*** up.
Why bother
Hey, at least it's not SCO!
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It sure is. Or something.
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Can't speak to how often it happens, as I've never seen anyone claim it before. In my case, I wouldn't actually want the account back unless I did get a job at slashdot (yeah, right) or was self-employed and didn't need to look for a job again. It has my initials as the username and I signed some of my earliest posts with my full name (yeah, stupid in retrospect but I was still a bit of a young-un at the time). Even after I had that account, I started mostly posting AC because I was getting paranoid.
Since then, I've went through a couple of different accounts because I realize that being such a slacker at work and leaving a nicer trail of bread crumbs showing frequent posting on slashdot might be an unwise career decision. I plan on sticking with the current account for a while, though, since I telecommute now and all my traffic goes out my own router.
Yes, far more information than you wanted to know in response to what was basically a rhetorical question so you could take a pot-shot at me. Sorry, but that's how I roll. If it makes you feel any better, you beat my original uid by over 7k. ;)
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What's your point with all this irritating self pity?
You click on a story that is minutiae overload for you, then whine and complain about the overload.
You can just not click on the story and spare yourself the heartache, so quit your childish whining.
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his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners
[citation needed]
Seriously. Post some links rather than just making accusations. This should be fun.
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You remember your uid but not the password?
It's funny that you're not the first to follow this line. Complain about me because I complain about something else. I have a lot of posts in this thread, but they're all in response to people responding to me. It's funny how you don't follow your own logic - no one forced you to read any of my posts. And yet apparently you've read many. And you needed to post to complain about them. This same urge is what led me to complain about the story. It's pretty common human nature. Not going to put you down for it, but I hope you realize that you've displayed the same mentality.
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Can you put that in the form of a car analogy?
You don't even need to be a musician to make music nowadays!
Aagh! I just can't help it!
Nope, not bitter, just like to have discussions about something interesting, rather than rehash the same old arguments every time.
You *must* be new here.
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No worries, I understand...my original UID was CmdrTaco until some jackass hijacked it.
Clue for you: you can create new accounts. My oldest one dates to right after they added accounts.
And my other car is a Ferrari.
If someone keeps poisoning the bread, should we stop telling everyone that the bread is poisoned, because it's boring news?
If you can read this, I forgot to post anonymously.
I remember my username. It's rather easy, considering it's my initials.
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I concur with your thought process, and also, in reading the thread down through, think it is a good idea to give the RIAA it's own section. Then you can allow the RIAA-phites to get their daily fix, while keeping the front page diverse.
I understand the whys of how it is always being reported on, but don't understand the thought process behind the editors of this site frequently populating the front page with articles related to an agency that is well known/hated on this site, and promotes the same conversations, from the same people, promoting the same ideals and moralities, through almost identicle threads with the same monotony of names sprouting the same party line b.s that was spouted 6 stories back.
YOU.....ARE.....PREACHING.........TO......THE......CHOIR!
We get it, and we all understand the importance of fighting against the RIAA, but to verbally attack whiledo for simply stating that this dead horse has been flogged enough, well, I thought we were supposed to be intellectuals (thus the "News for NERDS" byline) who discussed a wide variety of ("STUFF THAT MATTERS")
It reminds me of when I first started coming here, and the M$ (nostalgia is the only reason for the "$" sign btw) bashing was going full force! then shifted gears to fights over KDE vs. GNOME, then bashings over the 2000 and 2004 elections (which was awesome)....but one thing happened, those discussions were had, and then STOPPED. However I'm pretty sure discussions regarding the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/software piracy was still talked about a lot THEN......how can you not see the Parent's point?
"This is the value of a summer spent and a winter earned"
It's enough for any professor.
That "jackass" was me, you insensitive clod!
The CB App. What's your 20?
You might not find this interesting, but a lot of us do. This is a major occurrence in an import trial. If you don't want to read about it, fine. Don't read it. Buy why try to deprive the rest of us who do?
"That should be against the law, with the penalty being the revocation of their corporate charter, the public auctioning of all assets, and the proceeds returning to the shareholders."
You would need to exempt the major shareholders from the pay back... ones with people on the board at least? Some top people would need to suffer some personally for the deed as well I would guess...
all the best,
drew
FreeMusicPush If you want to see more Free Music made, listen to Free
The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard' of her order."
The many woes of the geek in court:
1 The lawyer who tells him what only what he wants to hear.
2 The pro bono lawyer with an axe to grind:
"You too can become a poster child for the EFF!"
3 The law professor who thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.
4 The defendant who also thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.
5 The lawyer with an unholy gift for pissing off a judge.
6 The defendant who takes the stand.
Only a geek could unleash such a steaming pile of shit - and never catch a whiff of it. "Tar and feathers ain't good enough for him, boys!"
7 The lawyer who ups the stakes each time he loses a round. The defendant who comes along for the ride.
The Supreme Court accepts perhaps 150 cases a year for oral argument. You just might make the cut.
You might also be the big winner in the tri-state lotto.
Ray, can you provide any insight into what Professor Nesson is trying to accomplish? On the face of it, he seems to be shooting himself in both feet.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
An even better question is: do we really need copyright?
Fair question, but I think the short answer is yes. But the point of copyright protection was once to protect creators from abuses by big business. In the time of Goethe, for instance, if he did not have family money and wealthy patrons, his writing would not have supported him. When he finished a book, it would get one good printing, and then all the feeder-level publishers would buy one copy each, and make copies themselves. All works would immediately become commodities.
A little more recently, you can look to artists like Little Richard, whose songs were used in Disney films, commercials, TV shows, over and over and over, without any payment to him, because ASCAP wasn't there to enforce copyright protections.
Metallica aside, most artists aren't worried about individuals pirating their music. Hell, I'd be thrilled if someone decided that my old band's music was awesome and it hit number one on the torrents. That would mean that my art touched people. But if Roy Disney decided that one of my songs was great for his multi-billion-dollar film and didn't want to pay me a dime, that would be unacceptable.
My feeling is that copyright is necessary, but it's being abused, and the abusers are working hard to limit--even destroy--any "fair use" cases that we've taken for granted.
The CB App. What's your 20?
How dare you speak to me like that. After all, I am the original # 3, I just forgot my password. And I would like to point out that my current UID is only 6 digits smartypants!
"But this one goes to 11!"
Now you're just being shilly. OK, that was bad, even for a pun, but I couldn't resist.
The CB App. What's your 20?
The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations).
You do realize that the only way the lower- and middle-classes get a say in our political process is because of these "evil" corporations, right? Without the ability to pool their limited funds toward a common goal, no one would be able to lobby the government, save the rich. Organizations like the AARP, NRA, NAACP, etc. are not diabolical "special interests". They're common people who have gotten together to make their voices heard.
Without those corporations, only the people with individual wealth would be in that position.
... and that's when the C.H.U.D.'s came at me.
The problem is in the selection of the submissions.
I like the submissions and I have no problem with frequent status updates with regard to YRO type-stuff.
;)
That said, I notice that many of the chosen submitters are known Slashdot toadies. I think there may be an affirmative-action type thing going on where, if a toady and a non-toady submit the same article and the non-toady's summary is slightly better, the toadie's submission will usually be accepted.
Also keep in mind that some users may or may not have personal and/or special relationships with one or more of the editors. Anyway, no point in whining about it. It's their forum and they can post whatever the hell they want. If it hurts you that badly then become a professional troll out of protest. Reading your posts, though, I don't think you have what it takes
It will be a major occurrence if he actually gets sanctioned. If he doesn't, it will just be another blip. So why not wait until he actually gets sanctioned to post about it? Does anyone think that somehow we can change the judge's mind on this issue?
Having the minutiae ("someone is thinking about doing something but hasn't done it yet") left to blogs like NYCL's excellent one isn't depriving anyone. As far as the "don't read it" argument goes, the problem is that I am interested in the cases. I can't tell it's minutiae that has no effect on the case yet (again, when she decides to sanction him, then it will have had an effect) until after I've read it. So I read post after post, each time rolling my eyes afterwards thinking "damn, I thought something had actually happened." This time I just decided to post about it.
Sorry you didn't find my post interesting. I suggest to fix this that you don't read it. ;)
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How dare you speak to me like that. After all, I am the original # 3, I just forgot my password. And I would like to point out that my current UID is only 6 digits smartypants!
So is mine, but it's a pretty big difference, eh? :P
But if Roy Disney decided that one of my songs was great for his multi-billion-dollar film and didn't want to pay me a dime, that would be unacceptable.
I understand where you're coming from on feeling like you need to control your own music in such a way, but in reality I think you'd be far better off if they used it and didn't get a dime. It'd promote you far beyond anything you could do on your own, assuming people like the music. It's really only when bands get huge, like Metallica, that it makes more financial sense for them to be more restrictive with the music being played outside of their concerts.
Sorry, I accidentally posted something on-topic. My fan club will be terribly disappointed.
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I disagree. This is a major issue, whether he gets sanctioned or not. At stake is whether the Judge can legally prevent him from posting a recording of a public proceeding.
I: Did you ever bother to read this? I didn't post anything agreeing with the RIAA. My post was how NYCL's post made it sound like the RIAA was gonna get smacked down, and the complete opposite happened. I was disappointed.
LOVE: This was basically the same thing, only the first time it was a general comment and the second time it was directed at Ray, who responded. It's funny you can take a comment where I say I don't like the verdict that Jammie Thomas is guilty and claim that's RIAA shill.
THE: Saying it would help her to have an alibi is being a shill and supporting DRM? If I said it would help Hans Reiser if he had an alibi, would that mean I'm a murder shill?
RIAA: Again, saying that we need to change the pro-RIAA laws before we can get the judges to follow them is being an RIAA shill? I'm beginning to understand why you think I think so differently from you. You take my comments and read them to mean the exact opposite.
ALOT #1: Okay, now this is just getting silly. That was a thread about gun control. Which part of that is "support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners"? You're really grasping here, buddy.
ALOT #2: Responding to a post claiming the GPL is pro-(software)copyright by stating that the GPL uses copyright against itself and would be unnecessary if we got rid of copyrights altogether is now pro-copyright?
Did you just decide to hate me first and then read my old posts to fit your mindset, or have you really misread my posts so badly?
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The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations).
You do realize that the only way the lower- and middle-classes get a say in our political process is because of these "evil" corporations, right? Without the ability to pool their limited funds toward a common goal, no one would be able to lobby the government, save the rich. Organizations like the AARP, NRA, NAACP, etc. are not diabolical "special interests". They're common people who have gotten together to make their voices heard.
Without those corporations, only the people with individual wealth would be in that position.
What I am proposing is in the spirit of no one but the common person being able to lobby the government. Taking coporations out of the political equation would mean that the rich find themselves greatly outnumbered by the other 90+ percent of the population and thus, their particular political views would be nearly irrelevant. What we have right now is quite the opposite, which is why so many people can be against the RIAA and the RIAA can be composed of such a small fraction of the overall society and still wield so much clout (i.e. if they want a new law, they will probably have it)
In fact I'd be willing to consider the idea of eliminating all lobbying and all campaign contributions of every sort, outlawing them as either corruption or bribery (respectively). Then give political candidates an extremely generous (lest there be excuses) grant of public money and let them use that as the sole legal means by which they run their campaigns. That way, the politicians would care about one thing and only one thing: our vote and how to obtain it. Right now they care about two things, money and votes, and the former can be used to buy the latter so they care much more about the money. Right now that's a big part of why they don't represent us.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
This guy doesn't have enough sense to anonymously leak the recordings to the web so he can't be sanctioned for them, and he has the nerve to call himself a professor? Dude, put it up on Bittorent, not your own website!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I'd love for you to be a shill. I really would. Shills are fun because of their lack of standing in reality. Listening to a Darl McBride or a Craig Mundie contort facts so they can somehow not sound like jackasses is like watching a beautiful ballerina getting shot with a tommy gun, beautiful and tragic and darkly hilarious.
Sadly, after reading the posts, they don't paint you as a shill. Bastard. Why not shill a little, so I can have more fun?
It's been a long time.
And there are no individually wealthy people at the top of the RIAA, right? No people who are running the show while also running a facade that this is about the common people who want their voices heard?
so what you're saying is that you have been wasting the better part of an hour in order to complain about the topic of conversation on a site that you shouldn't even be reading on your bosses time ?
Amazing.
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Interesting how being a shill and realizing the other side may have it's points, is the same thing to many people.
It's not always an "US OR THEM!" situation.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???
no. no we dont. there is not a single artist that has been helped in any way by the RIAA over the past 15 years. the RIAA used to be a place to find recording standards and good information. They got infiltrated with bean counters and lawyers and honestly are useless to everyone.
the RIAA is not needed. in fact the world would be better without them.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
No, the problem is that the cake is a lie.
How we know is more important than what we know.
to actually still care about the systematic deconstruction of our freedom
I suspect that a systematic deconstruction of our freedom would actually be quite boring.
Metallica is a difficult example to use, because they broke the cardinal rule that requires abuse of copyright by large entities: They fucked over their fanbase.
I paid 30 dollars for Saint Anger. 30. Back at the time, I made minimum wage, and it was much lower than it was today, so we're looking at 6 hours of work to pay for their CD. The CD was a fucking joke. It was written by a five year old and played by a couple ten year olds who broke into their parents studio.
They took my 30 dollars and have the gall to bitch that it's napster's fault they're not making the money they expected? They won't be seeing another dollar from me. I spent the 30 dollars on an indie band that doesn't pull that bullshit on the fanbase.
It's been a long time.
What makes their business model irrelevant is that the advancements in technology makes them redundant middlemen.
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being on the board when the corporate charter gets revoked gets you barred from being on the board of any other company for 10 years. That's largely how it works in the UK (except that it's 5 years, and is the regulation for a limited company going bankrupt rather than being hypothetically shut down).
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Correction:
Justice may have been the intent when the system was created, but today it's all about enforcing laws. Frequently unjust laws, but laws nevertheless.
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The more corrupt the State the more numerous the laws.
-- Cornelius Tacitus
Those aren't corporations.
Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite (TM)
Godwin'd.
What you propose is more or less what torrents do, we are making thousands of copies of whatever music and films the people are interested in.
If the media companies are interested in doing business, let them come forward and offer good quality copies in convenient formats at reasonable prices. As long as they insist on maintaining their old and tired business models, they'll keep failing.
The really old timers, who shun the use of cookies and measures to track our habits, keep on keeping on as anonymous cowards and the public is none the wiser. It's better that way. We've learnt from the USENet flame wars that it is often better to not be able to be associated with something (even if under the guise of another login.)
sure, sure.
Clue for you: No one can know if you have older account so don't jump down their throats when they comment on your new account.
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No, but you need to be a baker to tell if the bread is barely stale.
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I'm actually so elite that I have the only Slashdot UID that has a fractional component thanks to some Y2K hackery. However, due to shitty CSS on the site (designed by me, because I'm that 1337), my UID is multipled by 100,000 in the display. I don't fix the CSS now because I like my 6-digit UID. It allows me to hang out with you commoners, sort of like a celebrity who wears a big-ass fedora and Wayfarers.
In all seriousness, I abandoned a login after a major change in the status of my education and personal philosophy. I just didn't want to be associated with that person anymore.
The lesson here is that if you want massive law review articles, the kind of people who use the word "modality" in every sentence, then go to Harvard. If you want a LAWYER, go to a law school and not a a place with its head in the clouds. I suspect the defendant would've been better off with a professor from Suffolk...
Well played, sir, well played. I think I'll try to get ahold of the court transcripts and record myself reading them aloud, then release them into the public domain.
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Yes, because only an idiot would still be eating bread. The appropriate action would wait until there's a method in place to demonstrate the safety then tell people it's safe.
Saying it's poisoned over and over again tends to have a diminishing effect on people's interest.
Those aren't corporations.
Non-profit corporations, are still corporations.
... and that's when the C.H.U.D.'s came at me.
And there are no individually wealthy people at the top of the RIAA, right?
I'm not saying that there isn't. But, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here. If you get rid of the ability for common people to band together to promote their agenda, the only agendas we'll hear of will be from the individually wealthy.
... and that's when the C.H.U.D.'s came at me.
Taking coporations out of the political equation would mean that the rich find themselves greatly outnumbered by the other 90+ percent of the population and thus, their particular political views would be nearly irrelevant.
The rich are already greatly outnumbered.
What we have right now is quite the opposite, which is why so many people can be against the RIAA and the RIAA can be composed of such a small fraction of the overall society and still wield so much clout (i.e. if they want a new law, they will probably have it)
Are so many people against the RIAA? I would imagine that a large percentage of Americans have never heard of it.
Now, maybe if there was some way for us non-rich people to band together to get the word out... You know, pool our money together, buy some ads on TV, conduct research to bolster our claims, and help shape the political discussion on the issue... Kind of--well not "kind of"--like a corporation of some kind. A non-profit, perhaps?
In fact I'd be willing to consider the idea of eliminating all lobbying and all campaign contributions of every sort, outlawing them as either corruption or bribery (respectively).
So, I shouldn't be allowed to let my representatives know how I feel about an issue?
Then give political candidates an extremely generous (lest there be excuses) grant of public money and let them use that as the sole legal means by which they run their campaigns.
If I'm pro-choice, my tax dollars will help get pro-lifers elected, or vise versa? No thanks.
What if I want to start a new political party? The government can't fund every party; and without private contributions, how will anyone even know we exist?
Right now that's a big part of why they don't represent us.
I think the scarier, and more accurate observation is that they represent us disturbingly well. If campaign contributions are enough to buy votes, what does that say about our national character? Until that changes, regardless of what campaign finance laws we pass, it'll just be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
... and that's when the C.H.U.D.'s came at me.
I think the reason the *.A.As get so much coverage is because thanks to their treasonous bribery...err I mean lobbying, any pretense of having functional copyrights and patents have long been replaced by illegal laws written in backrooms with bribes trading hands to ensure that the top 4% get even more truckloads o' cash.
I mean for Pete's sake, Steamboat Willie is STILL under copyright! Is it encouraging the "arts and sciences" to be cutting checks for something made when planes were made out of cloth and antibiotics were just a dream? Hell no! The laws have gotten so corrupt they are a joke! There is pretty nobody out there now that "isn't a criminal" thanks to asshats like the RIAA saying ripping you CD to your iPod should be criminal since you didn't cut them a check first, and you watch, they'll pull some more treasonous bribery...err I mean lobbying and that will become the law of the land. I mean is there anybody that thinks 1.9+ million verdicts are fair? Meanwhile these same thieves use a little scam called Hollywood Accounting to fuck the actual creators of the works out of the pittance that they get compared to the blood sucking leech multinational corps.
So if you want to know why the RIAA stories keep getting played, it is because they are proof that our courts are broken and our laws are corrupt. After all, in a sane and just society nobody would even be able to keep a straight face while arguing that 150 year+ copyrights are fair or benefit the artist. Yeah, and I'm sure that those checks to Disney are keeping Zombie Walt in fresh paints so he can work on "The Little Mermaid 27" which of course is an excellent example in hypocrisy, as Disney and their pals kill the Public Domain while robbing it of ideas as fast as their thieving hands can grab. Sadly short of violent revolution I simply see no way we will take back the country or even the planet from the super corps. After all, what use is your vote if they can walk in five minutes after the election with their checkbook and buy the politicians vote, and legally I might add?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
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Just look at the legal tactics employed in the various cases.
SCO (like the RIAA) needs to be put out of its misery but they refise to lie down & die.
The RIAA tactics to delay & avoid giving real evidence especially about the real damages incurred is (IMHO) straight out of the SCO textbook.
I wish judges had the nerve to standup to this obvious bullshit & lies and tell them to stop wasting the courts time and get to the nitty gritty. But judges (in the USA) are AFAIK, elected and have to run campaigns so they risk cutting off the source of funding if they do.
I prefer the totally independent judiciary we have here in the UK. I'm not saying it is without fault but judges can give the Government a real boody nose (read Lord Scarman's works) without fear of retaliation.
IMHO, the US civil legal system as shown to the world by the RIAA & SCO cases is horribly broken and it is far too obvious that the only people who benefit are the lawyers who created it in the first place (when they become law makers).
Ok, Rant over, I can get back to breakfast.
I'd rather be riding my '63 Triumph T120.
I disagree. This is a major issue, whether he gets sanctioned or not. At stake is whether the Judge can legally prevent him from posting a recording of a public proceeding.
But that was decided long ago: Courts routinely restrict recordings of public proceedings, and it's quite legal. This is why courtroom sketch artists have such a long tradition.
There's not some broad principle at stake. Whatever decision is made will be made specific to this one case.
In other words, your well-reasoned and clearly-articulated arguments were falling on deaf ears when people saw the username "AwSumDood69"?
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
that sounds a lot like what swedish pirateparty is doing in eu right now - their stance is that personal use is not subject to copyright restrictions, among other things (which, i'm sure, you already were aware of :) )
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Yeah, well my other car also doesn't exist.
If I have nothing to hide, don't search me
No. I want to see these submissions from NYCL. If it wasn't for his submissions I wouldn't hear much about these cases at all and I wouldn't even know he had a blog (negating your first point). Keep it up NYCL, people need to be reminded of the crap the RIAA is trying to pull.
The public should have a right to view the proceedings of the court. As risk of judicial bias, due to party affiliation and political contributions; in addition to the high profile nature of the case, the additional access and disclousure is necessary to secure the confidence of the population at large.
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Or we should just ban lobbying entirely, and set a very small limit on individual campaign donations.
The major record labels need the RIAA. The question is, do we need the major record labels?
In years past it cost a tremendous amount of money to record, a tremendous amount of money to manufacture, and a tremendous amount of money to market the records. I met a fellow in late 1974 or early 1975 named Dwayne Mahoney; I was stationed with his girlfriend's brother, and we went down to SF for a visit (Joe didn't have a car). Dwayne had played his guitar for a record producer, who'd told him that if he cut a demo he'd be famous (the producer was right, but Dwayne had to change his name). It cost him $200 to record a single song. That was back when gasoline and milk was about fifty cents a gallon.
A few years back I hung around with local musicians here in Springfield (see the old K5 Paxil Diaries), and there are several recording studios in this small city alone. It only costs $5,000 to record and have a few thousand CDs professionally duplicated. At $5 per CD the band was making money selling them at their shows.
The artists no longer need the record companies, meaning nobody does.
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I would still say it's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people.
And so long as you can "donate" to both major party candidates in any election regardless of whether you are eligible to vote for them, that's the way it will stay. It seems to me to be an intractable problem; people with power aren't going to give it up.
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If you remember what email address you had back then, write the /. staff.
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Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
*raises hand*
I'm a 6 digit UID with an old 5 digit UID floating around somewhere, in the 40ks IIRC, back from when I used to live in Ypsilanti. Some theme on The Reaper (my BBS handle back in the day) or Mister Grimm or something like that... good times, good times.
Perhaps. IANAL. But this is not a murder trial, it is a civil proceeding, in which the public has a great deal of interest. In order to keep it away from the public, doesn't the judge need some kind of valid justification? A "compelling interest" as it were?
Considering the last time any comment by you was NOT modded -1 was last January, you might not be the best person to judge anyone's life as "empty and meaningless".
Of course, you might just be misunderstood...
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You new guys are such clowns. Is this really better than Compuserve?
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They produce nothing. If the money that I paid for the CD actually went to the artist I'd really have to buy more CDs (for my wife as, with a cochlear implant I don't hear music any more) and feel right about it. The "music industry" and the RIAA are making outrageous profits as a marketing company. That is all they know. The worst thing about it is they've lost their touch and are frantic to restore the social and creative relevance they had just a decade or so ago. The RIAA would rather bring in the lawyers than do what they used to be good at: selling culture. Those who were once the gods of cool are now yesterdays news.
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Much better. Compuserve's only good point was that I could get on it with my TRS-80 and a 300 baud modem.
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My oldest Slashdot account was made the day before you made yours. I just choose not to use it because I was in grammar school then and had to give up that email address when I invented SMTP.
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