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Korean DDoS Bots To Self-Destruct

tsu doh nimh writes "Several news sources are reporting that the tens of thousands of Microsoft Windows systems infected with the Mydoom worm and being used in an ongoing denial of service attack against US and S. Korean government Web sites will likely have their hard drives wiped of data come Friday. From The Washington Post's Security Fix blog, the malware is 'designed to download a payload from a set of Web servers. Included in that payload is a Trojan horse program that overwrites the data on the hard drive with a message that reads "memory of the independence day," followed by as many "u" characters as it takes to write over every sector of every physical drive attached to the compromised system.' ChannelNews Asia carries similar information."

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  1. first post.. by stillpixel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good day to be a linux/mac user eh? In South Korea the worm eats your data.. doh!

    1. Re:first post.. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

      since all south korean online banking is done with windows computers, friday will seriously suck.

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    2. Re:first post.. by macshit · · Score: 3, Funny

      since all south korean online banking is done with windows computers, friday will seriously suck.

      Hmmm, maybe we've been a bit hasty in judging these bot-writers... anything which provides some incentive for korean websites to change that crap can't be all bad...

      Perhaps the dear-leader is just showing a bit of tough love?

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    3. Re:first post.. by stuntpope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And anything that may get the average S. Korean to take computer security seriously and not roll their eyes dismissively when you make secure practice recommendations, is a plus in my book.

    4. Re:first post.. by maxume · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are wrong. The GGP (my GGGP) is talking about the ActiveX widget that banks use for encryption in South Korea:

      http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2007/02/27/the-cost-of-monoculture/

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    5. Re:first post.. by PMBjornerud · · Score: 2, Interesting

      since all south korean online banking is done with windows computers, friday will seriously suck.

      I've been scanning the news for updates on this.

      Now it's past 9 PM in Seoul, and I still can't find any news on what actually happened, just a lot of stories like TFA.

      Nothing happened?

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    6. Re:first post.. by stuntpope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right.... because hoping some good will come of a computer intrusion is just like hoping for the deaths of people to make a political point.

    7. Re:first post.. by david_thornley · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, I got killed by a Romanian last month....

      Oh, oops, it was a computer intrusion. I opened up a port without confirming that everything inside was properly secured.

      Sorry, they're so similar sorts of things, I just got confused.

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    8. Re:first post.. by Zancarius · · Score: 2, Funny

      And anything that may get the average S. Korean to take computer security seriously and not roll their eyes dismissively when you make secure practice recommendations, is a plus in my book.

      Hey now, let's be fair here. The South Koreans can't all take a monopoly on ignorant users.

      I'm pretty sure the average user in the US is far more ignorant! Hell, at least in S. Korea, you get people rolling their eyes. Over here, you might be lucky if the person in question has a glazed-over look while drooling slightly.

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  2. Apple viral marketing campaign by mokeyboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its all a plot to make people buy Mac

    1. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by evilviper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, it CLEARLY is a plot. It should be pretty obvious to everyone...

      It was designed to attack less important government websites, while keeping collateral damage to a minimum... No attempts on the power grid, FAA, etc., and no private companies affected.

      Joe Lieberman went up before a room full of press and cameras and said, (roughly) "If this was someone sending us a message, we got it loud and clear."

      Plus, it launched on July 4th, not a particularly significant day for North Koreans... And while anybody could look it up, who here can say they know the dates of big Chinese holidays? Really?

      And now, it's doing exactly what good worms NEVER do... Killing their hosts, and themselves, suddenly, flagrantly, and unnecessarily. Exactly what any of us would wish to do with zombie PCs.

      So, it seems pretty damn likely it was in fact anti-malicious. Some misguided white-hat who thinks drawing attention and cause a small bit of undeniable pain is the only way to make things get better. Frankly, it sounds like the ideal NSA fund raiser...

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    2. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It sounds more like the destruction of evidence. But then again, why'd I want to do that if I was already identified as the culprit? What could I gain? If anything, I'd want the attack to continue indefinitly, even after I've been wiped out, so to maximize the damage to my enemy even if I should not survive it.

      To anyone playing chess: If you can't save your queen, make sure you can trade it for his.

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    3. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well I must say that I was waiting for such a virus. I the last years, virus are considered like an invisible nuisance that doesn't eat more than a few CPU cycles and some bandwidth. People forgot about the first virus that routinely erased data. Maybe if this kind of virus make a comeback, we will see more people seriously concerned about IT security.

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    4. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by EdIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Plus, it launched on July 4th, not a particularly significant day for North Koreans... And while anybody could look it up, who here can say they know the dates of big Chinese holidays? Really?

      Actually, you're just plain wrong about that. July 4th is a very important day for North Koreans. It is when Americans celebrate their independence, and their capitalist freedoms. The propaganda in North Korea starts from a very young age. July 4th is a bad day for North Koreans and they are taught that THAT day is when their mortal enemy celebrates and plots their demise.

      So, North Korea deciding to launch missiles or a cyber-attack on July 4th, is no coincidence. Not by a long shot. It's the exact opposite of what you are thinking. July 4th is the perfectly appropriate day to launch attacks against America.

      Keep in mind, the war between the U.S and North Korea never ended. It has been in a cease-fire for over 50 years. They are not over it. Far from it. I would even say they are still obsessed and paranoid about the U.S attacking any minute. There are a lot of mentally unstable and brainwashed people in North Korea. Aside from the special elite families (in glorious Animal Farm tradition), that get to enjoy all the perks of Western culture, the rest of the people, including highly ranked military officers are very misinformed people with a deep suspicion and hatred of the U.S.

      I would suggest you read about defectors and refugees from North Korea that actually make it out of the country. When interviewed, these people state beliefs in the most outlandish and bizarre pieces of propaganda. Situations like women absolutely convinced that if they touch dropped pamphlets from the South (through air campaigns to spread information to the people) that their hands will rot off . When asked, if they really felt it was true, they state that they really believed it. That's just one example.

      So it's not far fetched at all, that July 4th is a day when North Koreans feel hatred and fear.

      And now, it's doing exactly what good worms NEVER do... Killing their hosts, and themselves, suddenly, flagrantly, and unnecessarily. Exactly what any of us would wish to do with zombie PCs.

      So, it seems pretty damn likely it was in fact anti-malicious. Some misguided white-hat who thinks drawing attention and cause a small bit of undeniable pain is the only way to make things get better. Frankly, it sounds like the ideal NSA fund raiser...

      That's very plausible. Botnets are valuable right now. Destroying this Botnet, is in fact, destroying VALUABLE INVENTORY. For organized cyber criminals, this makes no sense whatsoever to destroy what they worked so hard to obtain, or spent money to purchase.

      I admit, it does not sound like what criminals would do at all. All that loss, just to possibly cover their tracks a little?

      A "white-hat" trying to make a point though? What better way then to cause a little mischief and then mercifully destroy the tools. Your argument is compelling....

    5. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or for a blackhat, what better way to divert the blame?
      Bots are plentiful, insecure windows boxes are extremely abundant and it will be easy for them to acquire more, they probably haven't even diverted all of their current resources to this attack.
      The machines that get wiped will likely just be reinstalled from the recovery cd that came with the machine, thus returning them to the same vulnerable state they were in before - ready to be reowned.

      Incidentally, if you've ever looked at a compromised machine, there's typically lots of different pieces of malware on them, most infected boxes tend to be shared between several groups and some end up a battleground between competing groups trying to remove each others' malware.

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    6. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When interviewed, these people state beliefs in the most outlandish and bizarre pieces of propaganda. Situations like women absolutely convinced that if they touch dropped pamphlets from the South (through air campaigns to spread information to the people) that their hands will rot off . When asked, if they really felt it was true, they state that they really believed it.

      Then they are incredibly stupid. Kids in the West get brainwashed into believing Santa Claus exists, but how many carry that belief with them into adulthood when no one ever told them the brutal truth about the fat red guy?

      (...waits for funny Santa Claus comments ;)

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    7. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by EdIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kids in the West get brainwashed into believing Santa Claus exists, but how many carry that belief with them into adulthood when no one ever told them the brutal truth about the fat red guy?

      What are you saying? You're not saying... ?

      But... but... that CAN'T be true.

      You just shut up. I still get my presents each year.

    8. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      A big, fat guy with a long beard that gives kids presents after they sat on his lap.

      Is it me or is something not quite right there?

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    9. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by ComaVN · · Score: 5, Funny

      Over a billion people claim to believe that a 2000 year old cosmic, Jewish zombie, born of a virgin mother; will offer you eternal life if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force, present on all humans because a woman who was made from the rib of a man, who was constructed of dust, was convinced by a talking snake, to eat a cursed apple, from a magical tree growing in a mystical garden a little while after the universe was created around 6000 years ago.

      You might be right.

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    10. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      The taste should have given it away...

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    11. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by EdIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Escaping North Korea: Secrets of the World's Most Isolated Country by Mike Kim

      I have no idea if you would consider this trustworthy or not, but it comes from that book. The author was on the ground and personally helped North Korean citizens through the underground railroad and interviewed quite a few of them.

      # Publisher: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc.
      # Pub. Date: September 2008
      # ISBN-13: 9780742556201

    12. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by doulos05 · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who believe this, please don't confuse Catholics and Protestants. Catholics (a large percentage, but far from all of Christianity) believe in Transubstatiation (The bread and wine become the body of Christ). However, the majority of protestant traditions teach that communion is strictly symbolic. And it's not "Hey, be a cannibal so I can save you!" It's a backreference to (among other things) the first passover meal, in which a lamb was slaughtered and it's blood put on the doorposts of the house to save it's occupants from the angel of death in Egypt. It symbolises that just as the lamb had to die (and be eaten) to save those in the house in Egypt, so Christ had to give his body to save those who would believe in him; and just as the blood of the lamb protected everyone who took refuge in that house in Egypt, so the blood of Christ protects all who take refuge in his sacrifice.

      Sorry to cloud the issue with pertinent facts though, carry on.

    13. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      Work in the phrase "My savior has two daddies" somewhere in there and it'll be absolutely perfect.

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    14. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fail. See, the only way to talk about Christians on Slashdot is to oversimplify and parody their beliefs until you are describing what almost nobody actually believes, and then claim you have more authority to decide who is actually a Christian than they themselves do.
            It's like you claim Capitalists worship a Giant Invisible Hand and make human sacrifices to it. When somebody starts posting something reasonable about supply vs demand driven economic cycles of commodity items, you then denounce them as not a "real" Capitalist. Wash, rinse, repeat.
            (And to anybody who is a Marxist. Libertarian, Anarchosyndicalist, Anarchocapitalist, Randroid, Goldwaterist, Left-Center-Syncretist Labor Party, Technophile, Technophobe, Techno-is-my-bitch, Viist, Emacsist, FIAWOList, FIJAGDHist, or whatever, don't think there is no way to translate your beliefs into a straw man and then attack them.)
            So far, none of this particular Christian bash has been really vicious, and some of it has actually been funny. For the rest, He says He forgives you.

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    15. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      And he knows when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, and he comes down the chimney 'cause he knows usually people forget to secure that.

      That old geezer scares me.

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    16. Re:Apple viral marketing campaign by Kent+Recal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry to cloud the issue with pertinent facts though, carry on.

      Talking about "facts" in the context of jewish zombies, born of virgin mothers, is a bit laughable.

      Especially when all you have to back it up is a lamb that was slaughtered and had it's blood put on the doorposts of a house to save it's occupants from the angel of death in Egypt. Yeah, right.

      And now excuse me while I go slaughter a lamb. These goddamn death angels are all over the place here on Saturdays, time to take action.

  3. U ? by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Trojan horse program that overwrites the data on the hard drive with a message that reads "memory of the independence day," followed by as many "u" characters as it takes to write over every sector of every physical drive attached to the compromised system

    Wow, and I thought only 0 and 1 could actually be written to the hard drive.

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    1. Re:U ? by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why this is newsworthy.

    2. Re:U ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      u in binary (yeah, I know what you meant):
      1010 0101

      I would have expected
      0101 0101
      which is "U"
      (or 1010 1010, but that doesn't seem to be a nice ASCII character I can type)
      Hmm, maybe it is a capitalization error on someones part, or maybe they just like the palindromic nature of 1010 0101?

    3. Re:U ? by broken_chaos · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wouldn't expect either of the linked articles to know binary. It probably is "U", meaning just a repeating 010101010101010101........ Makes the most sense given the structure of hard drives and the fact that a repeated sequence of "u" after "memory of the independence day" (assuming that comma is also not part of it) makes no sense from any point of view.

    4. Re:U ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      .... "u" in ASCII, represented in binary is 0111 0101, not 1010 0101. "U" is 0101 0101, as you said though.

    5. Re:U ? by Korin43 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a sequence of 01 repeating. The fact that it comes out as "U" is probably coincidence.

    6. Re:U ? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      In South Korea, virus writes U!

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    7. Re:U ? by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Trojan, hard drive is overwritten by "U"!

  4. Really that bad of a thing? by Immostlyharmless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to imagine if these computers are all infected with this one trojan, they are probably infected with god only knows how much other spyware, malware, backdoors, and spambots. This might just be a GOOD thing; when these compromised twits wake up to a completely wiped drive, it might be the thing that drives them to read up on computer security a little bit, perhaps switch to a more secure browser, buy a router with a hardware firewall, etc. Not to mention, it will also wipe out all the aforementioned crapware.

    1. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by tsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forget it. They will just buy a new computer because their old one is 'broken.'

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    2. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More likly they'll complain their kid's game broke their computer, buy a new one and continue punching the monkey.

    3. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      More likly they'll complain their kid's game broke their computer, buy a new one and continue spanking the monkey.

      There, fixed that for you.

    4. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by rodgster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      hhhmmm

      I wonder if the backbone network admins are going to block access to that "set of web servers" or just let nature take it course.

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    5. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This seems to be a popular view here on slashdot but it ignores the fact that 90% of the computer users neither understand nor should have to understand a single bit of what the hell you are talking about. It should be considered a failure of the part of the computer industry to be making products that are incapable of being used for storing important data without expert level knowledge on how to secure it. We in that industry should start admitting that the issue is our fault instead of calling people twits for not knowing what a "router with a hardware firewall" is. Oh, and you can blame MS all you want but the truth is that Linux, if as widely adopted and used by ordinary computer illiterate users, and as targeted by the malware writers as Windows is, wouldn't be a whole lot batter.

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    6. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This sounds like an excellent opportunity four a counter-hack.

      no

      If you follow the chain of computers back to the source, won't it end up in the opponent's critical systems?

      likely not.

      The people behind this are probably reasonably good at what they are doing. Most likely it will at best lead to a compromised host which is being controlled remotely. Very likely the loss of the actual original control system where the bot herder is sitting would not be a big deal. Probably there will be one or more levels where you will go through a P2P network which doesn't make it clear at all where the commands are coming from. The only way to be absolutely sure is to actually raid the physical location where the bot control is coming from and catch the guy at his keyboard.

      Having said that, counter-hacking might be a useful investigative technique. If it was legal.

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    7. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This reminds me of the '90s and MS-DOS viruses. At first, people didn't care because stuff like Brain, et al. were annoying but not malicious. Then came more and more destructive variants. Once BIOSes started getting zapped, people started making sure that they downloaded from a clean source and used AV protection.

      Times are similar now. Malware used to be annoying because it was fairly crappy code that bogged down a machine. These days, because malware has matured to the point where a user doesn't even know it is present on a system, they tend not to care. Such as the attitude of "I'll do what I want on my computer, if I get my machine slowed down, Geek Squad will fix it for me". If something malicious software bit them, wiping everything on a widespread basis, it might spur Joe Sixpack into not using IE with all settings set to "Low" because the pr0n sites don't complain that way.

      However, having a lot of clueless users get their data zapped this isn't a good thing overall. A lot of them will not do a thing for their own security. Instead, they will beg the lawmakers to do something, and feel good (or more aptly, feel "secure") legislative solutions rarely address international problems. Lots of bad things can happen down this path, from mandated "security" software to be on machines, to efforts to make PCs closed appliances like video game consoles.

    8. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You, Sir, have said something far too sensible for the Windows hating command-line lovers here to appreciate. They will no doubt vote you off their island of Windows mockery.

      I agree with the parent about the blame game - and I can't see that having thousands of important computer systems blown away in an instant is in any way a good thing, no matter what operating system they're using. Love or hate any vendor or software development methodology as much as you like, but it's the complete ASSHOLES that make this security compromising shit we have to deal with that should be the targets of your mockey.

      Unless you're chicken.

      Which you probably are.

      Else you'd run said insecure operating system just to live dangerously.

      Ahhhh! Seriously, this argument about MS vs Linux vs whatever is getting more lame by each post in each story. It's about as lame as the Flash vs blah blah blah it's SOOO BORING I can't even write about it any more debates. There are different operating systems currently available that are guided by different principles and philosophies. Choose one (or more). Use it (or them). Then get over yourselves when the one(s) you use don't have the same market share as another one, or whatever the pissing contest de jour is.

      And, if you think that a bunch of very smart people in Redmond aren't concerned with security then you're just extremely blinded and foolish. News flash, homeslice, Debian Woody users aren't the only ones in the world that care about keeping their systems secure.

      post anonymously: check
      upgrade antivirus that I don't run anyway: check
      (because it makes everything run real slow: cheeeck)
      offer erect single finger to virus-writers everywhere: check
      offer the same to endless whinging about Microsoft: CHECK
      wish for Amiga to triumphantly return: check (just for kicks to see if anyone's still reading)

    9. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How on Earth is the above comment flamebait? In any way, shape, or form?

      This poster is absolutely RIGHT .

      Car analogies are popular here on Slashdot (I don't know what that is about), so how about this one. Why is that cars can only be properly and safely operated by mechanics, engineers, and aficionados?
      Obviously, that is not true. Cars are designed to be relatively simple to operate, yet can be highly reliable, safe, and low maintenance. At least for the majority of their lifetime, for the average person.

      It's easy to look down and speak badly about the large amount of computer users that have barely a fraction of the skills of the average Slashdotter. However, the poster brings up something rather interesting. Why is it that the various industries responsible for creating these computer systems don't take more responsibility for making it secure?

      It's not impossible. Unfortunately, it would probably require a heck of lot more work and cooperation between people and corporations that have no interest or advantage in cooperating.

      This goes far beyond just the Evil Microsoft vs. Linux Rulez "debate". The poster is asking why there seems to be a fundamental attitude in the industry to shift blame and responsibility. It's a valid question, that is neither trolling or flaming anyone's point of view.

      Is it that unreasonable to wish that computer systems get designed around unsophisticated users skill sets with an emphasis on security? Designing systems that make it difficult to participate in Botnets and other activities that cause considerable financial damage?

      I don't think so. There really is a problem that needs to be addressed, and this poster brings up a valid point to discuss.

    10. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by SilentMobius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, the GP isn't right.

      A computer is a multi-function device its strength is that it can attempt most task. A car is a mono-function device. If you want people to have safe malware-free devices you need to convince them to buy an Email appliance, Web browsing appliance, Movie-playing appliance, Desktop-publishing appliance, etc etc. Then there is a possibility (after the market matures) that these can be secure by-design. But people don't want that, they want a machine that is cheap and does everything, except the things that they don't want it to do, and they want the machine to know the difference even if they don't.

      And that? that will never happen IMHO.

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    11. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with you about the multi-function aspect of the device. However, I don't agree that is what people "want". It has been what is marketed to them. That does not imply, that it was the wishes of the users in the first place.

      What people want is often marketed to them. In fact, that is the ENTIRE point of marketing in general. To get people to want what you are selling.

      Creating sandboxed devices that can switch to performing various tasks that are secure and separate from each other task is not impossible. It just needs to be created and marketed properly.

      We essentially do the same thing now in data centers. I have servers that are running 8-10 virtual machines on them that are really just appliances handling a specific type of task. Email, DNS, Webhosting, PBX, etc.

      It could happen for regular users too. There just needs to be a marketing campaign to convince them that it benefits them, is easy, and keeps them secure.

      Will it happen? Probably not. That I do agree on. The GP still has a point. At the very least, if you disagree with his point, it's not flamebait right?

    12. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by TheP4st · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Car analogies are popular here on Slashdot (I don't know what that is about), so how about this one. Why is that cars can only be properly and safely operated by mechanics, engineers, and aficionados? Obviously, that is not true. Cars are designed to be relatively simple to operate, yet can be highly reliable, safe, and low maintenance..

      Exactly the reason why car anologies are popular here. My 67 years old mother is fully capable of changing oil, checking tyre pressure as well as determine when they need to be replaced. I even remember her changing them when I was a kid and she had a flat in the middle of nowhere, granted there were quite some muted cursing involved but nonetheless she did!

      Not running as admin excpet when really needed,using a updated AV and Firewall is pretty much the computer equivalent to that, yet only a tiny minority of Windows users do those three things. Seriously, I have long since lost count of the times I have read Windows users proudly proclaim in forums "I have not used a AV or firewall in years and I have never had a virus" and I've met them in meatspace too. The only difference is that with these ones it have only taken me moments in front of their machine to prove how utterly wrong they are.

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    13. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... cars can only be properly and safely operated by mechanics, engineers, and aficionados? Obviously, that is not true. Cars are designed to be relatively simple to operate, yet can be highly reliable, safe, and low maintenance. At least for the majority of their lifetime, for the average person.

      Car Drivers need a licence to ensure they are properly and safely operated.
      Car Drivers can be sanctioned for dangerous or irresponsible practices.
      Car Drivers require insurance to compensate people who suffer a lost caused by incompetence or recklessness of the Driver.
      Cars must be regularly serviced and maintained by trained experts.
      Cars must be registered & require regular safety inspections.

      Some similar practices might avoid most of the problems with have with irresponsible PC owner/operators. e.g. worms, virus, UCE/UBE, phishing, fraud, DDOS.

    14. Re:Really that bad of a thing? by steelfood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need to take a test to get a license to operate a vehicle. The purpose of the test is to ensure that anyone driving actually knows how to drive.

      I'd like to see something similar for the networked computer. Not necessarily a use license, but tests that at least ensure minimal security competency before allowing users access to the outside. These "tests" don't have to be the question-answer sort, but something along the lines of putting the round peg in the round hole and the square peg in the square hole. I'll bet just making it illegal for OEM's to pre-install the OS would do wonders for security, as well as wreck havoc on the Microsoft OS monopoly.

      Vehicles can kill if operated improperly (or properly, for that matter). So perhaps there should be a kill switch for the computers of people who either try to fake the test or still do stupid stuff after passing it. A virus that wipes a computer's hard drive a month after infection, or even a virus that disables the network device should be enough to discourage people from continuously doing dumb things.

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  5. Yay? by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least this way they'll get cleaned up and (possibly) patched, right?

    Compare it with biological malware. Ebola causes more damage than AIDS, but it's less of a concern, because it kills the host dead pretty quickly. AIDS causes more havoc, because the host survives for such a long time.

    1. Re:Yay? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the havoc is caused because the host survives symptom free for a long time, potentially spreading the disease for years before being tested and diagnosed, especially in less developed countries.

      A guy bleeding from his nose, eyes, and ears is a pretty sure sign that you shouldn't shake his hand.

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  6. good... by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    about time windows boxes self destructed... people might start to question windows security issues more if their boxes died rather than just slowed down...

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    1. Re:good... by DeadDecoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we're lucky. Odds are MS will use this as an opportunity and say: See why you need Win7? Upgrade now for the measly price of 99.99$.

    2. Re:good... by Fatal67 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And if they all switch over to unix, you'd just have a bunch of clueless unix users. Except now, you'd have enough users for them to actually bother writing malware for it.

      Be careful what you wish for.

    3. Re:good... by noundi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah you're not stereotyping at all. You're right, Linux propagation is not about "improving the world's computer safety". Life is not a comic book and we're not IT vigilantes looking to fight the unjust. I'll let you in on a secret, we all use Linux for various reasons. Some because of the copyleft, some because it's free of charge, some because once it's yours it's actually yours and not on lease and others for many other reasons. For me it's more about the terms. I mainly dislike Windows or OS X due to the terms. These terms are strictly due to the policies of each company producing the OSs, thus it is not the software itself but e.g. MS and Apple that make me not want to use it. There are of course other aspects but I believe that they are merely a product of the terms, and that if the terms would change so would these, such as interoperability and freedom of choice rather than dependency.

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    4. Re:good... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I care because their compromised machines mess with mine.

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  7. +1 Insightful by zooblethorpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This might just be a GOOD thing; when these compromised twits wake up to a completely wiped drive, it might be the thing that drives them to read up on computer security a little bit, perhaps switch to a more secure browser, buy a router with a hardware firewall, etc. Not to mention, it will also wipe out all the aforementioned crapware.

    Precisely my thought on reading the summary -- good riddance to some severely compromised systems on the one hand, and on the other, I sincerely hope the users gain a clue.

    Getting hit with the clue bat hurts. Otherwise, folks tend not to remember.

    Cheers,

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    "A four-foot prune."
    1. Re:+1 Insightful by religious+freak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Who wants to take odds that a malware author will act to save these machines? It's not an impossibility - who would want to potentially lose many thousand boxes when you could just push a fix down to the machines? These machines are assets in the malware authors' "business".

      It'll be interesting to watch. If it happens, it'll be kind of like a geek version of spy vs spy.

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  8. It's already Friday in most time zones. by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's already Friday in most time zones. Is this happening?

  9. Nah by copponex · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm still running a huge network of unpatched XP SP1 boxes and

  10. Re:Omg, think of the pr0n by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's hope the guy who's good at curing cancer is also good at making backups...

    Seriously. It overrides every attached HD. How well does a RAID stand up to that in terms of data protection? Or an attached USB HD?

  11. Independence Day by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've been trying to figure out whose independence day it is referring to. Based on Wikipedia, it's not Korea's (North or South) China, Japan, the US, or Russia. Nearest I can figure for Friday, July 10th is... the Bahamas?

    ...Unless it means next Friday, July 17th which celebrates South Korea's Constitution Day; the day that the Korean Constitution was proclaimed in 1948. But, no, clearly it's the Bahamas.

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    1. Re:Independence Day by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Informative

      The attacks started on the 4th July weekend.

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    2. Re:Independence Day by ntufar · · Score: 2, Informative

      North Korean news agency (http://twitter.com/kcna_dprk) keeps celebrating 15th Anniversary of Demise of Kim Il Sung. Maybe it is this one.

  12. uh what? by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > From The Washington Post's Security Fix blog, the malware is 'designed to download a payload from a set of Web servers. Included in that payload is a Trojan horse program that overwrites the data on the hard drive with a message that reads "memory of the independence day," followed by as many "u" characters as it takes to write over every sector of every physical drive attached to the compromised system.'

    Did the washington post writer get this wrong, or is this a misreported urban legend? The "trojan horse" part doesn't make any sense -- the computer is already compromised.

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  13. Man by copponex · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know you live in a fucked up country when you collectively hate the Bahamas.

    Hats off, Kim Jong-Il. That's going to be a tough one to beat.

  14. Well... by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sucks to be running Windows.

    *gets back to work in gedit*

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  15. We both missed it. by copponex · · Score: 4, Funny

    The correct joke would be:

    Everything looks fine !@#-)@^Y^)$_*^*$&@) memory of the independence dayuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

    And then the lameness filter would ruin it anyway.

  16. It's worse than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NO.

    In fact the S. Korean government is publically saying that North Korea is to suspect, along with some "pro-North" factions in South Korea.

    Or, in terms you are more familiar with: "OMG! TEH TERRORISTS! WHERE IS NATIONAL SECURITY?"

    This will be an opportunity for the current government to distract people from their having put our nation into a pile of horseshit, and to round up some anti-government people for being "pro-North" and "hating freedom." Well, yes, *some* of them may be crazy enough to be pro-North, but many will be just innocent citizens who just can't stand any more crap from our current president.

    Sounds familiar? Heh.

  17. happy ending by Errtu76 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad there's a happy ending to this story. Thousands of unpatched windows machines will cease to exist, hurray!

  18. No SC players? by Arivia · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm surprised they aren't filling the storage with "kekekekekekekekekekekeke"...

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  19. What is the source? by xenophrak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Over at Yahoo ( http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090710/ap_on_hi_te/as_skorea_cyber_attack ) they are reporting that there are only 86 IP addresses causing the outages:

    "SEOUL, South Korea -
    Cyber attacks that caused a wave of Web site outages in the U.S. and South Korea
    used 86 IP addresses in 16 countries, South Korea's spy agency told lawmakers
    Friday, amid suspicions North Korea was behind the effort."

    Now, I'm a little skeptical that they didn't mean ISP instead of IP, but if it is true that there are only 86 hosts generating this much fanfare, then the network admins should be strung up with cat6 for not just blackholing these punks at the edge router. I guess we get the best govt. IT we can afford, right?

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    1. Re:What is the source? by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      over at DarkReading they say: Earlier Wednesday, the National Intelligence Service said in a statement that 12,000 computers in South Korea and 8,000 computers overseas had been infected and used for the cyberattack. Seems a little more realistic for a national threat

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  20. Blood in the water by Pecisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This will be ugly and exciting at once. First of all, I bet all mob supported worm writers will be fuming, because someone broke silent agreement that there should be no destructive viruses, otherwise people would start to actually care. And if people care => more correctly patched boxes => less posibility to own them => no profit at all.

    Second, it will send very interesting message to people who have ignored subject of IT security so far. Imagine company with 100 computers suddenly standing on nothing but the air - no data, no OSes to work with, nothing. Third, I am afraid that some control maniacs (those who usually end with having an actual power to be maniacal) will use it as an excuse to impose more control on Internet. Of course, it will be laughted at by serious IT security specs, but those freaks will freak out and it will be interesting and frightening at same time.

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    1. Re:Blood in the water by Pecisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, to be frank, Y2K didn't happen partly because it was hype, sure, and partly because everyone jumped on it and if there was serious systems which could fail, they were fixed. Claiming that all it was hot air would be going in same absolutes like claiming that it could have definitely caused end of the world.

      This time, I am not so sure that it is Y2K type. It could be pure sensationalism, sure, but such virus can be written by anyone. I simply see it as virus authors so far haven't been interested of causing damage to PCs - mostly because they need them to do their DDoSing and spam spewing.

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  21. If I was still in Tech Support by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd be scrambling now to get that day off. Failing that, I'll find a doc that writes me a sick leave, if necessary for a bribe. Failing that I'd quit.

    There is no way anyone in support will survive that day without a ringing in his ears.

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    1. Re:If I was still in Tech Support by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no way anyone in support will survive that day without a ringing in his ears.

      Yes, that would be the telephone. It kind of goes with the job in tech support.

  22. And something of value was gained? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bots and other malware that do no appreciable harm to their hosts have made users complacent about keeping their systems clean (or preferably secure). In the meantime, the collateral damage of spamfloods, spyware, and DDOS attacks has been inflicted on the whole community. An exemplary episode in which the infected machines actually suffer may wake users up again. Windows users are, as usual, the witless accomplices/culprits in this case, but Macs can be just as easily penetrated (demonstrated in the hackfests each year), and poorly administered Linux/BSD/Solaris systems can also be vulnerable.
    Let the vendors of protective measures celebrate! Sales of anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-rootkit, firewalls, and so forth may benefit. The publicity may even cause some security holes to be patched, and better practices to become default. Maybe the rest of us will benefit...

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    1. Re:And something of value was gained? by xouumalperxe · · Score: 3, Funny

      I fail to see how giving an old virus to a dead composer would help.

    2. Re:And something of value was gained? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      We can rebuild him - we have the technology.

      Then we can nuke his BIOS! From orbit, preferably.

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  23. Re:Final code by xmundt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Greetings and Salutations...
              First off, I fear this is a hoax, simply because we are hearing about it BEFOREHAND. One of my favorite comments (said about a recent event where some flake was arrested after some very vocal threats against our President) is "Real assassins don't tell you they are coming to kill you".
              Secondly, if it were me, I would overwrite the hard drive with "DEADBEEF". Not only is it traditional, but, it has a certain charming truth to it that would add amusement.
                regards
                dave mundt

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  24. Re:FFS by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are two types of people in this world - those who make regular backups and those who have never suffered data loss. The net result is the same, I don't see how data loss through an insecure OS is any different to data loss through theft, fire, HDD failure.

    People in IT go on about backups like a mantra, repeating it like Ballmer repeats "Developers! Developers! Chair...er... Developers!". Yet I guarantee you not a single person walking this green earth has ever paid proper attention to that mantra - at least, not until they lost something important.

    I don't have a great deal of sympathy for anyone whose data is at serious risk from something like this. They'd have lost it all eventually anyhow, one way or another.

  25. Re:Omg, think of the pr0n by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have a disk-to-disk backup solution, most likely both sets of data will be hosed from this virus. Unless backups take place on tape, or the drives are rotated for off-site safety, the victim is fucked!

    As much I'm happy to hear this virus self destruct, no one deserves irrecoverable data loss.

    How well does a RAID stand up to that in terms of data protection? Or an attached USB HD?

    The hardware abstraction doesn't matter if all the virus does is make read/write calls using the OS like any other application. In other words, if Windows has a volume mounted, then the virus will be able to see it and whack it out of commission.

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  26. Re:FFS by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As long as we are passing around the Clue Bat..... Let me whack you one time too.

    Nobody here is punishing the users. They are victims. The criminals that made them victims, are just killing them after raping them repeatedly. Please forgive such a graphic analogy.

    By having those systems destroyed, there is an inescapable conclusion that follows: They are no longer participating in a Botnet that is harming other people and corporations .

    Does it have a chance of changing their behavior? Of opening up their eyes to security and the implications of being added to a Botnet? Who knows. You may be right that it, "it will not do a damn thing to increase security".

    It's absolutely horrible that these users are victims and they have to suffer such losses. However, these posters are right. It's a good thing..... for the rest of us. Unsophisticated users and Slashdot geeks alike.

    That does not mean, I am an ass**** or that I have no compassion. Just recognizing that these victims can no longer be forced to participate in harming other people.

    There.... Okay, who else wants the Clue Bat?

  27. Re:Brainwashing is in the eye of the beholder by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Point taken. However, most people in the U.S think that their leaders are full of crap. Not much different than most parts of the world.

    However, in North Korea, the average citizen has practically zero access to information from the outside.

    So if brainwashing was say... at a 3/10 in the U.S, it's a 10/10 in North Korea. I mean, come on, your hands rotting off by picking up a piece of paper? It's not like the levels of bullshit are equal in the scope of the lies they represent or their damage.

    I did not bring up the point to say America is "number one" and that our crap does not stink, just wanted to point out that with all the brainwashing going on in North Korea it is fact that the average North Korean hates and fears us. To say that July 4th is not a significant day in their lives is just incorrect. That's all I was sayin'.

  28. Starcraft by GF678 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The lack of any computers in South Korea still left alive to run Starcraft will cause a country-wide panic. There will be riots on the streets! Blood will run free, mark my words...

    1. Re:Starcraft by hellfish006 · · Score: 2, Funny

      a trojan zerg rush?

  29. Hi, I'm a Mac by chfriley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi, I'm a Mac, and uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...we're a PC.

  30. Re:Brainwashing is in the eye of the beholder by mforbes · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or maybe Clinton just decided that chasing skirts was a better idea than getting his brains blown out.

    Clinton got something else blown out instead.

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  31. DVD players and game consoles by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    Movie-playing appliance

    That's called a DVD player. There are also game-playing appliances, but these are typically locked down so tight that works developed by students, hobbyists, and small businesses can't get in through the normal channels.

  32. Friday? Friday! by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Funny

    > Posted by timothy on Fri 10 Jul 01:41AM
    > hard drives wiped of data come Friday.

    NOW you tell me?!

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    1. Re:Friday? Friday! by selven · · Score: 2, Funny

      It probably won't happen until midnigmemory of the independence dayUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

  33. Re:Final code by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, they deciphered exactly when and how it will strike, but can't figure out how to remove it?

    They have already figured out how to remove it.

  34. Re:Brainwashing is in the eye of the beholder by mystik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What if we had enemies dropping pamphlets on us?

    What if our government told us they were infected by Ebola, or anthrax, or some other bioterrist agent and shouldn't be touched? (Whether or not they are)

    Having your hands rot off doesn't seem to far fetched now ...

    Smart folks might be able to figure out & confirm the government is full of crap. But lots of the folks out there, who can't even explain the scientific method? They might be inclined to believe them. Why would the government lie to them?

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  35. Only 50,000 machines by Twillerror · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a small amount, but considering there are 100s millions of machines around the world it is a pretty small amount.

    How many machines out there have a HD failure everyday? I'm guessing it is less than 50,000, but probably not much lower. Google and wiki searching only gave me numbers like 3% annualized failure rate up to 13%.

    Once the system is rebooted what kind of error message will they see? OS not Found from the bios? I wonder how many users will simply think their harddrive failed.

  36. Re:Brainwashing is in the eye of the beholder by Jhon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What if our government told us they were infected by Ebola, or anthrax, or some other bioterrist agent and shouldn't be touched? (Whether or not they are)

    Wouldn't work with a free press. However, no such press exists in north korea.

  37. how are those statements brainwashing? by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    those are outright lies by politicians. disconnected and ridiculous

    in north korea you are talking about a concerted effort since birth to convince your citizens the world outside your borders are full of bloodthirsty tribes ready to destroy you at a moment's notice

    not that there doesn't exist people who believe that in the west, but there isn't a concerted effort by the government to create that belief

    comparing real brainwashing in north korea with the worst example of demagoguery that you could find in the west: not even remotely in the same league

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  38. Re:MOD PARENT UP [Re:Apple viral marketing campaig by maeka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can you defend free-will without believing in God?
    Either causality exists and your brain is a machine with a determined output to its inputs - or you have a magical soul which can move matter.

    Just a curious atheist here...