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Patent Trolls Target Small East Texas Companies

An anonymous reader writes "In a sign that patent trolls are getting desperate to keep their cases in East Texas — long known as the friendliest venue for their claims — some have taken to suing tiny, no-name companies that are run by East Texas residents. The hope is that, if at least one defendant is located in East Texas, the judge will keep the entire case there. Nate Neel, a Longview, Texas resident with a small open source software company called CitiWare, was sued by Bedrock Computer Technologies in June despite (he claims) having no customers or other meaningful operations of any kind. In response, Mr. Neel has posted a strongly worded letter to Bedrock's attorneys on his Web site. It will be interesting to see how East Texas judges respond to this abuse of process perpetrated against their own residents."

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  1. Strongly worded letter? by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm going to go ahead and point out that repeatedly dropping the F-bomb is not "strongly worded" it is "unprofessional".
    Not to mention the lack of spell check.

    It sucks what's being done to the guy, but a little professionalism goes a long way.
    And like anything else on the internet, his poorly spelled "FUCK YOU" is always going to be associated with his name.

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    1. Re:Strongly worded letter? by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Heh...well maybe that's why he's not in business anymore. I think maybe they pissed him off. Sooner or later if these trolls keep suing everyday people they're going to run across one that's not wrapped too tight. It's only a matter of time before someone shows up at one of these lawyer's offices with a pump shotgun and sprays the place down. Keep fucking with everybody and the odds go up.

    2. Re:Strongly worded letter? by fuscata · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, and I'd say he's setting himself up for a not-so-frivolous defamation suit.

    3. Re:Strongly worded letter? by hackus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well I disagree here.

      Professionalism means conduct in exchange for service or work completed.

      All he got in the mail was a lawsuit notice.

      Professionalism has nothing to do about this whole matter.

      Might I point out that the other party of this dispute TRULY DOES lack professionalism as well as ethics.

      Simply because you wrap it all up in nice grammar, letterhead and mail it to someone does not make it professional or ethical.

      -Hack

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    4. Re:Strongly worded letter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      there comes a point where you just have to tell someone to go fuck themselves. no amount of chivalry would change anything in a case such as this.

    5. Re:Strongly worded letter? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      A 20x20 pixel white or perhaps transparent shim. Yes, that certainly was illustrative. Sooner or later, someone will post a link to an image that is totally useless. Or are you just collecting IPs?

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    6. Re:Strongly worded letter? by ari_j · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The other part of the story is that his letter is going to end up in front of the federal judge. He might be entitled to sanctions to compensate him for the wasted time and expense in responding to a lawsuit that was brought against him with no basis in reality, but federal judges tend to disdain juvenile responses to serious matters. Like many things in life, there is a right way and a wrong way to respond to a ridiculous lawsuit - this guy chose the wrong way and it will most likely end up costing him.

    7. Re:Strongly worded letter? by orsty3001 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I miss spelled fuck you onetime and never to this day have been able to live it down. You'd never guess there would be so many grammar Nazis in Sunday School.

    8. Re:Strongly worded letter? by Oswald · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seriously. I was on the verge of googling his (repeated) use of the word slim to see what hip, young lingo I needed to add to my repertoire. Then I realized he just can't spell "slime".

    9. Re:Strongly worded letter? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to mention the lack of spell check.

      Sew true, eye all ways ewes a spill chucker!

    10. Re:Strongly worded letter? by ari_j · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Precisely. I am a connoisseur of strongly-worded letters, and his is not one. A strongly-worded letter strikes fear into the heart of the recipient using only on-topic attacks of the recipient's argument itself. Ad hominem attacks always have the effect of derogating your own position by the implied concession that your opponent's argument is too iron-clad for you to respond to it directly. There is a time and place for ad hominem attacks, but at least spell them right.

      Picture yourself as the judge. There are two people in front of you, neither of whom you have met. One of them says, "He infringed my patent by operating a business that manufactured millions of units of products utilizing the claimed technique." The other one only says, "Fuck you, slim[e]!" Right off the bat, you are going to be biased against the guy who can't be bothered to explain why he didn't infringe the patent. He just looks like a puerile, sophomoric idiot.

      Now, try it again. This time, however, the second guy says, "The suggestion that I infringed his patent is almost too absurd to form a response. Not only was I never in a manufacturing business, but no activity I have ever undertaken has utilized the technique claimed in the patent. Even the slightest bit of factual research could have reached that conclusion prior to bringing this lawsuit against me." Now, the first guy is the one who looks like a lazy buffoon.

      And that's how you word things strongly. And, if you really want to have some fun, use the puntacular phrase "patently ridiculous." Judges love puns!*

      * - Well, not really. Some do, but only if you use them judiciously.

    11. Re:Strongly worded letter? by sosume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's not in business anymore. Therefore he is replying as a person and not as a business. No need for professionalism, unless there is some rule that persons have to communicate like lawyers and businesses.

    12. Re:Strongly worded letter? by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you are sued and you believe the lawsuit is ridiculous, you still have to handle it seriously. Failure to do so most often results in it becoming a more serious matter than it needs to be, with you fined or jailed for contempt as a bad outcome or having a default judgment entered against you as a "good" outcome.

    13. Re:Strongly worded letter? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am a connoisseur of strongly-worded letters

      In other words, a frequent usenet user.
           

    14. Re:Strongly worded letter? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like many things in life, there is a right way and a wrong way to respond to a ridiculous lawsuit

      The "right way" being to craft a stately letter filled with "professional" prose, and thus confering not a small amount of legitimacy to the actions of these blackmailers. By doing so, the responder tacitly recognises the worthiness of the claims to be heard in court and dives headfirst into the molasses of rules, traditions and procedures of the legal system, where cunning lawyers have the upper hand.

      Better to reject their claims as contemptible nonsense, and say as much to the court when (if) the matter is finally heard. Remember, they're the ones who have to prove that you've done something wrong. It's not your job to prove you haven't.

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    15. Re:Strongly worded letter? by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am a connoisseur of strongly-worded letters

      In other words, a frequent usenet user.

      No, nothing nearly so respectable. I'm an attorney.

    16. Re:Strongly worded letter? by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      I actually went to law school because I was sick of people taking 'IANAL' the wrong way.

  2. Dog Food by siloko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Brings a whole new meaning to the expression 'Eat your own dog food!'. I guess after they have finished consuming their local businesses and the employment rate plummets then maybe the local legislators will think again about supporting this kind of bullshit.

    1. Re:Dog Food by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

      This doesn't really have anything to do with local legislators. Patent disputes are usually handled in US District Court, meaning that the reason why the Eastern District of Texas has been so friendly to patent trolls is because an unusual number of federal judges in that district are unusually biased in favor of plaintiffs in patent disputes.

    2. Re:Dog Food by xgr3gx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guess I don't get the whole thing with filing patent cases in East Texas.
      A poster a few comments above said Federal Judges in E. Texas seem to favor patent plaintiffs.
      Seems odd - somebody has got to be seeding the panel of judges, and it has to be for the purpose of making money on patent law suits.
      It wouldn't shock me if some law firm was giving huge election contributions to biased politicians to get these biased judged appointed.
      Follow the money - and you'll probably find out why E. Texas is how it is in regards to patent law.

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    3. Re:Dog Food by ari_j · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't worry about it too much. This entire comment thread is based on patently false notions of the legal system underlying this situation. First you have the suggestion that local legislators are in favor of patent troll lawsuits. Then, when that's explained to be wrong, you have the suggestion that 'East Texas laws' (whatever those are - East Texas is not its own legislative jurisdiction with its own laws, it's just a federally-created judicial district for the federal courts) should be changed to stop this from happening. I hesitate to imagine what ridiculous idea is going to come up in response to your correction. We can only hope that it's a Godwin-approved car analogy.

    4. Re:Dog Food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The judges were appointed at the Federal level (That is appointed by the president, confirmed by the Senate). The judges here do not reflect local views. We have more judges in East Texas than we should have, because of a rich gas field and the resulting litigation over those natural resources. The real reason that this area is picked is because cases are heard very quickly (years earlier in some cases). This has earned our federal district courts the nickname "Rocket Dockets". These scams are perpetrated by following the law to the letter, and the scammers use a speedy trial to there advantage.

    5. Re:Dog Food by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are dozens of districts in the federal court system. Just by random chance, it's fairly likely that at least one of them will be off to the side of the bell curve, and once patent plaintiffs noticed which one(s), they started trying to take advantage of it.

  3. Re:Interesting defense by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't realize that "I dun have no cuzmers" was a valid defense against patent violations.

    That's not all of his argument. Although his letter is unprofessional and poorly organized, he says:

    To Sam Baxter - if you wish to acknowledge my email and realize your mistake on claiming CitiWare in your suit on Bedrocks behalf, then remove any claims against CitiWare / CityWare and I can remove this page and any publicity about filling an invalid lawsuit against a company that never used your patent or for that matter even developed any product sold or used (CityWare only used Open Source code under GPL for personal projects or other employers)!

    He's probably flabbergasted that they didn't do any development, they just repackaged/administered GPL licensed open source products and now find themselves the target of a lawsuit. And like the article says, they don't care about him or what he says or the validity of targeting him, they care about keeping the case in East Texas District Court.

    This guy doesn't need a defense, he just needs to reside in East Texas and he's part of this case no matter how ill placed the blame is.

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  4. Amazing patent by paulhar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having just read the patent claims it seems that this patent is on the ability for a linked list to be cleared of expired items. Truly a ground breaking, patent worthy invention!

    1. Re:Amazing patent by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your comment just violated my sarcasm patent for "making a comment worded in such a way that it sounds positive while still carrying an implied negative meaning opposite of the actual wording used."

    2. Re:Amazing patent by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your comment violated my patent on "taking chain jokes one step too far going from funny to redundant"... oh wait...

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    3. Re:Amazing patent by budgenator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes it sounded to me like they patented Lisp and it's garbage collection method. Seems like they would be vulnerable to art priori and lack of novelty.

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  5. Re:Interesting defense by jtev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, if he didn't sell anything, or otherwise distribute anything to anyone then there can be no harm to the patent holder. That means that it is not worth their wile for them to sue him.

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  6. And what Bedrock is doing *IS* professional?? by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why respond professionally to something that is clearly a scam? He's not the CEO of Google with shareholders to worry about FFS, he's just some guy who had a little company and closed it down and is now doing a day job. So he said "fuck". Well stop the press!

    1. Re:And what Bedrock is doing *IS* professional?? by SpacePunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are lawyers, it's a given that they are crooks.

    2. Re:And what Bedrock is doing *IS* professional?? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are lawyers, it's a given that they are crooks.

      All lawyers are crooks except the one trying to help you out of your mess!

    3. Re:And what Bedrock is doing *IS* professional?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, that one's a crook too, but when there's a metaphorical gun to your head, you'll pay just about anyone to make the situation go away. If the nation's laws weren't so twisted and byzantine, people could realistically self-represent in court.

  7. Re:Interesting defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not that he has no customers, it's the fact he closed his branch of the company completely in 2005. FTA :

    "According to the complaint, defendants ...CitiWare Technology Solutions... use the method and apparatus falling within the scope of the '120 Patent in the course of their business operations."

    Suing CitiWare in Colorado where they are based makes sense, suing them in Texas where that branch of the company hasn't existed for four years is a bit nonsensical except to try and keep it in a region known to be sympathetic to their claims. Which seems more than a bit dirty to me, but then again, they are patent trolls...

  8. Re:Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Does anything come from TX that is good and decent?"

    Tex-Mex food and Tejanos in general. This problem solves itself once all the white men are run out of Texas, which demographically will be in about 25 years. Eventually they will all be concentrated in Idaho, and we can nuke that from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  9. Re:Texas by robot_love · · Score: 4, Funny

    I feel obligated to say that, while I have seen repeated admonitions not to "mess" with that particular state, hating it should be fine.

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  10. abuse of process by vginders · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > "It will be interesting to see how East Texas judges respond
    > to this abuse of process perpetrated against their own residents."

    abuse of process? Does such a thing exist in the USA?

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  11. Re:Interesting defense by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe he's a coyote.

  12. Re:Good by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hopefully now that actual citizens of East Texas are being targeted, the citizens will start to vote these types of judges out of office.

    -1, Did Not Do The Research

    Federal judges are appointed for life, not elected.

  13. Re:Interesting defense by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Funny

    This guy doesn't need a defense, he just needs to reside in East Texas and he's part of this case no matter how ill placed the blame is.

    You stay classy, Texas.

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  14. turn it around... by nycguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Should the FSF open an office in East Texas and launch lawsuits for violating the GPL from there?

  15. Re:Interesting defense by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are suing him and others. But he is the only one it the courts venue... What they get from suing him is securing a friendly venue. But in Texas, judges are positions voted on. Piss off the residents, and look for a new job.

  16. Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm very glad when I hear news like this one.
    I'm glad because hopefully is this kind of trials that will make people realize how stupid software patents are.
    I do hope more of this happen, but I feel sorry for those who are the victims right now.
    If is there any kind of consolation, it resides on knowing that you are contributing to the fight against this shit.

    To the brothers and sisters who stand and fight, I leave a word:

    Don't stand down, don't give up. You are the heroes of the modern age.

  17. Re:Interesting defense by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Most Litigating Man in the World:

    "I don't always sue people for patent violations, but when I do, I sue in East Texas. Stay classy my friends."

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  18. Dangerous Activity by gravos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Filing a lawsuit against an individual or small business (ie, any entity that is not a corporation) who has not harmed you is kind of like walking up to a stranger on the street and punching him in the face. You'll probably get away with it a few times, but eventually you'll pick the wrong person and get what's coming to you.

    The plaintiffs should be lucky this guy is content to put a 'strongly worded' letter on his website.

  19. Re:Interesting defense by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are suing him and others. But he is the only one it the courts venue... What they get from suing him is securing a friendly venue. But in Texas, judges are positions voted on. Piss off the residents, and look for a new job.

    Federal Judges are appointed for life, and can acquire Secret Service protection without too much difficulty.

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  20. Re:Referer protection by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Parking Lot is Full, Dec 04

    There are like, 54 different comics on that page. Which one is the relevant one?

    That's why I said "Dec 04" in my citation.

    Why should a website be so poorly structured as to not have any direct links to single comics?

    Likely because people have been embedding single comics in forum posts and running up the (self-)publisher's bandwidth bill.

  21. Re:So Let's Change The System by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Small software shops did just fine before this patent mess.

    They will do do better. They won't have to worry about XOR, linked list or VFAT patents anymore.

    The idea that the "little guy" needs patents is so bogus and thoroughly disproven that anyone that dares bring up the idea should walk around with a paper grocery sack on their head.

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  22. Re:Interesting defense by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

    Federal Judges are appointed for life, and can acquire Secret Service protection without too much difficulty.

    Umm, I thought it was the US Marshals Service that protected Federal Judges?

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  23. Re:Texas by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This problem solves itself once all the white men are run out of Texas, which demographically will be in about 25 years. Eventually they will all be concentrated in Idaho, and we can nuke that from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

    I find it hypocritical that you got positive moderation for this when a similar post aimed at a different race would have modded down as the racist garbage that it is.

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  24. East Texas troll friendliness is well known by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was reading about how Bilski is threatening software patents and how some sides are saying "It ain't over yet!" and are interpreting the interest taken by the supreme court as intent to overturn the Bilski decision. On the other hand, at least one supreme court justice is well aware of the questionable nature of the East Texas court and has expressed dislike for it. From that I can see that perhaps the SCOTUS would like to finally reign in the lower courts and the abuse that is propagated by the East Texas court.

    I believe the Bilski decision represents a restoration of sanity to patent law and process as I am sure that others here will agree. When it comes to technology, interoperability and compatibility are absolutely critical to growth and development of new technology as increasingly one thing builds on another very rapidly. To patent software literally and directly imposes roadblocks, or more exactly, private toll blocks on technological progress. One could even argue that without reigning in such practices, the U.S. will be giving up its position of technological superiority because of such abusive greed.

  25. Re:Texas by Lil'wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas

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  26. Re:Interesting defense by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2

    Fortunately, I have no shame.

  27. Re:Interesting defense by michaelhood · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't let reality get in the way of cool sounding stories or posts.

  28. Re:Interesting defense by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 2

    Proxies. Botnets. If you're motivated you can have as many IP addresses as you want.

    What provide the motivation? Getting a reaction from people like you. Somewhere, in his mom's basement, there's a guy with his cock out fwapping away to your post.

    I hope you're proud of yourself.

  29. Re:Interesting defense by Nathrael · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Secret Service protects other government officials (mainly the President, the VP, embassy personnel etc); the federal courts have their own executive, which, yes, is the US Marshals Service.

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  30. Re:Interesting defense by daem0n1x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They could remove this post. It's illegal in my country and would grant the poster some months in jail. Isn't it illegal in the USA?

  31. The "E" is SLIENT (sic) DUDE by JohnnyComeLately · · Score: 2, Funny

    Publik educashun, didn't you lissen? The word slime has a silent e, so you can omit the letter! You wouldn't want to think he was saying slim-ee (spelled slimey, a completely different word which crosses over from a noun to adjective!!)

  32. Re:Texas by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're one of the Dixie Chicks aren't you.

  33. Re:Interesting defense by Froboz23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It may be difficult to defend against a patent lawsuit in East Texas, but consider this: If you defeat a Patent Troll in its lair, you get treasure types O,P,Q,X and 1d4+1 emeralds.

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