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Apple Says iPhone Jailbreaking Could Hurt Cell Towers

AHuxley writes "Apple suggests that the nation's cellphone networks could be open to 'potentially catastrophic' cyberattacks by iPhone-using hackers at home and abroad if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their wireless devices. The Copyright Office is currently considering a request by the Electronic Frontier Foundation to legalize the widespread practice of jailbreaking. Apple has responded to the request by saying that if the 'baseband processor' software — which enables a connection to cell phone towers — is exposed, then a user could crash the tower software, or use the Exclusive Chip Identification number to make calls anonymously. Apple also thinks its closed business model is what made the iPhone a success. The Vodafone scandal from a few years back showed how a network could be compromised, but that was from within. So, what do you think? Is Apple playing the 'evil genius' hacker card or can 'anyone' with a smartphone and a genius friend pop a US cell tower?"

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  1. Think of the towers by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Those poor little cell phone towers. I'm glad somebody is thinking about them.

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    1. Re:Think of the towers by YayaY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Security by obscurity does not get you very far. If the cell tower software is so fragile, it needs to be secured correctly.

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    2. Re:Think of the towers by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Worse, trusting the client is always an idiotic plan. Even if it isn't iSteve's precious baby, there will always be some phone(s) were the evil unauthorized users have access to the baseband(if nothing else, the people who design phones have to have the baseband interface specs, and I'm sure that sort of thing gets lost/dumpster dived/hacked/inside-jobbed from time to time). Solving cell tower security issues by trying to lock every handset would be like trying to make the internet safe by making Symantec Endpoint Security mandatory for all devices with public IPs.

      This is just Apple wrapping themselves in the "Security" blanket to get what they want. Should we expect a series of PSAs about how iPhone jailbreaking aids the terrorists?

    3. Re:Think of the towers by gnick · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd imagine that the software is locked down well enough for the current environment. Playing devil's advocate, you could see how somebody who had found an exploit in the iPhone OS could make anonymous calls. Or potentially launch a DoS on a tower is they had a large army of compromised iPhones. And, while I don't know jack about cell-phone-tower-handshaking-protocol, perhaps you could initiate some kind of DoS by doing the equivalent of a SYN flood with a smaller group of phones.

      Apart from those possibilities, I don't see much danger.

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    4. Re:Think of the towers by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should we expect a series of PSAs about how iPhone jailbreaking aids the terrorists?

      Might not be as far off as you think. "...could...use the Exclusive Chip Identification number to make calls anonymously." sounds like a good set-up for that kind of approach.

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    5. Re:Think of the towers by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you were a giant company making shit-tons of money for lazy coding, would you pay for the security changes, or would you do the much cheaper and simpler option of passing legislation that makes breaking your crappy code illegal?

      Remember, they've already bought the congresspersons and senators needed.

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    6. Re:Think of the towers by mini+me · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the software is vulnerable, it is vulnerable with or without a jailbroken iPhone. Even confiscating every single iPhone in existence will not stop someone from taking advantage of the vulnerabilities, if they are so inclined.

    7. Re:Think of the towers by mini+me · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Attacking a cell tower is already illegal. No additional legislation is needed here.

    8. Re:Think of the towers by Anonymusing · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Blueboxing. There's an app for that!"

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    9. Re:Think of the towers by DoubleDownOnEleven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And does anyone seriously believe that someone willing to launch a DoS on a cell phone tower would be deterred because the jailbreaking process isn't legal?

    10. Re:Think of the towers by sootman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The funniest part is...

      I guess you're not supposed to do such things when you run a company that makes handsets, though.

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    11. Re:Think of the towers by recoiledsnake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, this is like MS claiming allowing unauthorized applications and devices on the internet would break the ISP's or Tier 1 provider's routers and then locking up all applications with a App store raking in 30% of the cost compulsorily.

      Also, from the response from Apple:

      Looking at the four statutory fair use
      factors,18 although the use per se of the modified iPhone bootloader and OS on an individual
      handset is of a personal nature, it is not a transformative use, and because a jailbroken OS is
      often used to play pirated content, the act of jailbreaking should be considered of a commercial
      nature since it facilitates obtaining applications without paying fees for the them.

      snip...

      In sum, the value of the OS software to the iPhone, and therefore to Apple, is that it
      enables the iPhone to function as a platform for the mobile computing experience that
      differentiates the iPhone from its many competitors. This, in turn, increases the value of Appleâ(TM)s
      iPhone copyrights and, again, overall consumer utility, making the iPhone a more attractive
      product to consumers.

      Huh? WTF? A jailbroken OS is often used to play pirated content? Apple keeps rejecting(censoring?) useful apps that developers and companies have spent lots of time and money on for silly reasons such as political content, duplication of functionality, mature content etc. The real reason is not piracy, it's because Apple wants to keep that 30% cut of all apps sold and control all the content while at the same time not angering AT&T with their approved Apps to keep the ~$17/month that Apple gets paid for each iPhone customer.

      Is this what Apple calls the platform for the mobile computing experience? And there are a bunch of people including Jobs calling the iPod touch the equivalent of a netbook. http://www.osnews.com/story/20424/Jobs_on_Cheap_Computers_Netbooks http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/01/the-iphone-and-ipod-touch-apples-netbook.ars Please, no thanks.Do not pervert the word computer to mean a walled garden. Call it a phone, gaming console, e-book reader etc. if you wish. This makes the evil MS look like defenders of freedom in shining armor. God forbid if a company like Apple won the PC wars back in the 80s instead of IBM/PC compatibles. *shudder*

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  2. Wow by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even Microsoft isn't this stupid... yet anyway.

    I've been avoiding Apple products due to their control issues, but this is just ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Wow by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why single out Apple products. The whole concept of a "smart phone" is ingsoc lies.

      A phone is the piece of tech that you can never really own. Many people accept this and take the "free" phone, and pay the high monthly rental.
      The built in obsolescence has got to be one of the worst in the industry.

      MP3 player, calendar, organiser, GPS, ebook reader, camera, bomb, those can all converge as much as they like. Just not with anything that needs a SIM card.

    2. Re:Wow by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What Apple is saying is wrong. Everybody with any knowledge of the system knows it's wrong; even if cell towers were susceptible, jailbreaking doesn't touch the baseband software on the phone. Yet they make the claim anyway, knowing it's false, presumably because they're hoping nobody involved in this process at the Copyright Office has the technical knowledge to know it's BS. Let's call this what it is: it's a lie.

      Shouldn't there be some sort of consequences for just lying in a process like this? I know in courts there is perjury, for lying under oath, but what legal consequences are there for lying in this kind of situation?

    3. Re:Wow by FrostDust · · Score: 4, Informative

      A phone is the piece of tech that you can never really own. Many people accept this and take the "free" phone, and pay the high monthly rental.

      If people want a basic phone, and don't care about the fancy smartphone features, then why shouldn't they be able to pay less for a cheaper model? I do think they should give you a discount if you didn't have them subsidize the phone (use your own device, or pay full retail for the phone), as it does seem unfair that the person who got a $200 dollar subsidy, and is paying it off over two years, pays the same as someone who doesn't owe them that money.

      Also, you can easily "own" a phone. Many online retailers, even official manufacturer's websites (Motorola.com for example), as well as physical retail stores, let you buy a phone at full price, without having to sign a contract. When you do sign up for a plan, there's no term commitment or ETF, because you've already payed full price for the phone.

      In the US, the common plan for a mobile phone comes as a two-year contract. After that, you can cancel your service at any time, and they won't bug you to send the phone back or pay them back for it by paying the ETF.

      The built in obsolescence has got to be one of the worst in the industry.

      Are you expecting them to let you upgrade the RAM or something? Throw in some PCI slots?

      MP3 player, calendar, organiser, GPS, ebook reader, camera, bomb, those can all converge as much as they like. Just not with anything that needs a SIM card.

      My current smart phone (an HTC device) can do all that with the SIM card removed, no monthly fees or anything. Well, I haven't tried using it as a bomb, but I'd imagine that wouldn't need a SIM card either.

  3. BS by jvillain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ya bad people won't look for flaws in the system if only Apple can keep people tied to their contracts. I'm having a hard time seeing the logic.

  4. This is worrying... by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We should ban the sale of iPhones with this potentially dangerous bug until Apple can fix it, either by providing unlocked iPhones, or without this being handled by the iHpone's locking mechanism.

    1. Re:This is worrying... by cpotoso · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly my thoughts. If the iphone is so damn dangerous, then apple should be forced to recall all of them off the market. There can be no double standards here: if the device is bad for the networks then the device should not be approved. If the device is OK (and it certainly is) then stop bitching when people do what they want with the device they OWN.

  5. hmm... by aldousd666 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Don't ALL cell phones, even that aren't iphones, especially those which have the capability to install software on them, have this same problem?

    This seems like the equivalent of saying 'If you are allowed to install software on your PC you might bring down your ISP's entire network."

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    1. Re:hmm... by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

      Absolutely, If you have a PC with a 3G wireless card you should not be allowed to install any software.

    2. Re:hmm... by BorgDrone · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't ALL cell phones, even that aren't iphones, especially those which have the capability to install software on them, have this same problem?

      No, you're not able to access or change the baseband software. Also, jailbreaking the iPhone doesn't change the baseband AFAIK. Only the SIM-lock does require changing the baseband, which is a completely separate issue.

    3. Re:hmm... by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The hackers have already been granted an exception to unlock the phone, and ACTUALLY screw with the baseband, jailbreaking just takes away Apples control of the OS running on the main processor, and they don't like that. They are full of shit if this is their excuse, because as i said, unlocking is already legal.

  6. If we outlaw cracking iPhones by sys.stdout.write · · Score: 4, Insightful

    then only outlaws will own cracked iPhones!

    Seriously - if you're going to do an illegal activity (hacking) anyway, then making another activity (jailbreaking) illegal isn't going to deter you.

  7. I suppose nobody's missed the obvious by dzym · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If somebody's going to try to "pop" a cell tower they're certainly not going to care if step 1 of the process was legal or not.

  8. Makes you wonder by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If a jailbroken iPhone can potentially crash a cell tower but a regular run-of-the-mill cell phone cannot, it really makes me wonder what cool toys they've hidden in the jesus phone that makes it so life-threateningly dangerous that it needs to be encased in a kryptonite shield.

  9. Ya, right by HeLLFiRe1151 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a person is going to commit a felony "cyberattacks", why the hell would they worry about the legality of jailbreaking? It's like armed bank robbers worrying that they're fully automatic rifle isn't legal.

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  10. Assholes! by TJamieson · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Exclusive Chip Identifier? Aka the ECID?

    That thing was added solely to make it harder to unlock the phone for other carriers!

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  11. The protect the baseband processor only by noidentity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of locking the whole thing down, just lock down the baseband processor. That way people who want to run their own apps can do so without having to jailbreak anything, and the baseband processor won't have any attention given to it. But of course this would still be a problem with AT&T, who provides the connectivity.

  12. Oh please... by Drakin020 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If these towers could be brought down from a user who jailbroke his iPhone, then it would have happened already.

    No hacker is going to say "Oh well I guess I can't bring down this series of towers, ATT/Apple said it's not legal. Darn..."

    This is the lamest excuse I've heard yet...

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  13. Total crap by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be like saying that allowing PC/Mac programmers to use the IP sockets API will let them crash their local router.

    Give us a break Apple, you're coming across as more and more control freaks and foolish every week.

  14. Yet another nonsensical response. by getclear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We all know the deal. If I wanted to compromise said cellular network, I could use the current published, freely, and openly available jailbreaking techniques. If they legalize jailbreaking of the phones, it is not going to legalize hacking cellphone towers, so the people that are going to do it are already trying. This is just a another preemptive strike by Apple. They are going to lose credibility, because too much press in a short ammount of time for a company can be just as bad as flying under the wire. I think it is time they slip back into the ether and keep quiet for a few weeks.

  15. Let me get this straight by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In order for the towers to be protected, there must be a *law* against jailbreaking (a practice that is currently perfectly feasible, just questionably legal). Will the law, sensing a helpless tower is in danger, jump off the page and stop the evil hacker from using his jailbroken phone to expose flaws in the upstream hardware/software, and save the day?

    Even if this is true, legislation is clearly NOT the way to go here. Either they are giving away too many secrets just by having easily exploited hardware/software in consumers hands, or they are running woefully unprotected towers (or both). In any case, a law against it isn't going to do a whole lot except speed the prosecution of said 'evil hacker' who would already be breaking numerous laws anyway.

  16. Re:Ignorance is bliss by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple is partially right. Their closed business model has lead to the success of the iPhone. (Happy now?)

    Seriously. The tight control on the user experience is what maintains the appeal of the device. For most people.

    However, where they're wrong is in thinking that they need to prevent jailbreaking in order to maintain this. The people jailbreaking their phones aren't in the majority who bought the phone for the slick and stylish integration. They're a harmless minority, and Apple should be grateful for the extra revenue that a little bit of hacking has brought in.

    Also, the part about being a risk to networks is nonsense.

  17. This will save us! by Abraxis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because it being illegal will stop those intent on using their phones for nefarious purposes FROM JAILBREAKING THEIR iPHONES? Sorta like how traffic laws will prevent robbers from double parking while pulling a bank heist (double parking the vehicle can speed the getaway!!).

  18. To be, or not to be by scout-247 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ability to make anonymous phone calls shouldn't be seen as such an evil.

  19. Same Old Apple - 1980s Over Again by abroadst · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple doesn't learn. This very same strategy is what gave Microsoft such a big opening in the 80s. If Apple sticks to the closed system approach they will have higher price points in the short term, but long term will lose out to more open platforms like Android where the incentives for a more diverse network of partners will be greater. In the early 80s Apple outsold IBM and everybody else in PCs. They took their Apple II win and moved up-market with the Mac. Sure the technology and user experience were radically better than the competition, but they further closed down the platform to partners and end users. Pretty quickly the open platform, multi-vendor combination promoted by IBM, Microsoft, and Intel won the day - even though it didn't work as well.

  20. Play the fear card by Smegly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Play the fear card whenever you want your political way...

  21. hahahahaha by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    and hahahahahaha!
    Maybe if people put their jailbroken phones in trebuchets and fire them at cell towers...

  22. Re:Ignorance is bliss by Ghostworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're not really playing to the ignorance of their base, as it's not their base that they're trying to convince. They're trying to convince the Copyright Office, which is almost as bad because they cannot be reasonably expected to understand the intricacies of cellular network technology. That burden lies with the network operators and the FCC. As for the question of whether jailbreaking is good policy from a copyright perspective, the Copyright Office shouldn't care much about potential network problems.

    Now from a technical perspective: AT&T is a GSM/EDGE/UTMS network. If the iPhone is supposed to work on their network, it conforms to those international, well-vetted standards. (An part of those standards is the use of a SIM card specifically so a user can separate the handset from the network.) There shouldn't be anything that an iPhone can do on their network that any other cell modem couldn't do. TFA isn't coming up for me, so I'm not sure what Apple's specific claims are, but I have a hard time imagining that AT&T gave them some unique, magic software key to a very well-defined tower structure.

  23. Idiotic by tomz16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is IDIOTIC. How can any reasonable person possibly buy this argument.

    Anyone that wants to bring down a cell phone tower or cell network IS NOT GOING TO CARE whether or not it's LEGAL to screw with the cell radio baseband software. They are ALREADY attempting to do something much worse.

    Let's be honest here, the "security" aspect of this argument is a smokescreen. It's blatantly all about the profit!

    Furthermore, the cellular network should NOT be so fragile that a single rogue cell phone could take it down (AFAIK it is not). BUT if AT&T is truly insistent on making this argument, then I believe a full investigation by the FCC is mandated. The self-admitted fragile state of their network means that their stewardship of a public resource (radio spectrum) is being poorly managed and truly endangering national security.

  24. Additional Research by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Additional research by Apple Labs has shown that unlocked iPhones cause erectile dysfunction, global warming, birth defects, and leprosy. Protect yourself by purchasing a new, locked iPhone with a five year contract extension. It's the only way to be safe.

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  25. UMTS uses a CDMA air interface by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except AT&T and the iPhone are GSM not CDMA.

    The original iPhone supports GSM, considered a 2G standard. The iPhone 3G supports GSM and a 3G standard called UMTS, which is designed to be used alongside GSM networks. UMTS uses a CDMA air interface.