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Rude Drivers Reduce Traffic Jams

BuzzSkyline writes "Traffic jams are minimized if a significant fraction of drivers break the rules by doing things like passing on the wrong side or changing lanes too close to an intersection. The insight comes from a cellular automata study published this month in the journal Physical Review E. In effect, people who disregard the rules help to break up the groups that form as rule-followers clump together. The risk of jamming is lower if all people obey the rules than if they all disobey them, according to the analysis, but jamming risk is lowest when about 40 percent of people drive like jerks."

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  1. and yet NYC still has traffic jams by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    especially on the Belt Parkway where people seem to slow down to 30mph to go over a bridge

    1. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least 30mph is moving. Have you ever driven near/in/around Washington DC?

    2. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by sys.stdout.write · · Score: 4, Funny

      especially on the Belt Parkway where people seem to slow down to 30mph to go over a bridge

      The rule only applies if SOME people break the rules, not every one of you hot-dog-eating-bastards.

    3. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ditto on the D.C. beltway. I don't understand people who slowdown for bridges or curves. It's not going to kill you to take the curve at 65mph. That's why the sign says 65 - because it was designed for high-speed travel. (duh)

      By slowing-down you impede the flow of traffic and create a chain of cars behind you. Show some consideration. (sigh). This is why I leave home at 5 a.m. Most of the idiots don't come-out until after 6:30. Leaving early helps me to beat them.

      Aside-

      Another cure for traffic jams is to make our highways 20-lanes wide (like in Asimov's novels). I guarantee that a nice, wide, open stretch of macadam won't jam up if you have that many lanes to serve the cars.

      Yet another cure is to simply let your office workers stay at home. Do I really need to drive two hours a day to sit inside a Baltimore office and type code all day? I can do the exact-same work at home.

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    4. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The saturation point is a random variable unfortunately because the first "jerk" that causes or gets into a crash was one too many as that stops traffic completely. Unfortunately this could be the 1st jerk, the 10th jerk, or the 100th jerk. No way to tell in advance.

    5. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And it depends on which rules, and where. Not all rule-breaking helps, just those that encourage the flow of traffic.

      Personally, there's one rule I'd like ingrained in every driver's head: never match speeds with someone in the lane next to you. Pass, fall behind, whatever. Just don't sit there turning a two-lane road into what's effectively a one-lane road.

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    6. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by xaxa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last week I was in France, in a car, on the motorway. I couldn't understand why the traffic was so jammed up, but I sat in traffic on the 3+3 lane road for almost an hour. There was no traffic on the other side.

      Then, as I came up to a bridge I noticed there were people lined up underneath it -- the Tour de France was passing underneath the motorway. Some people were driving past at less than walking pace hoping that the cyclists would pass by at just that time, but they didn't. Once over the bridge, there was no traffic jam at all -- except on the other side of the road, where the jam went on for miles.

    7. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by philipgar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      20-lane roads won't really solve the problem, as now you end up with the left few lanes having the long-distance drivers, and the right lanes being a mess of cars trying to change lanes and get over to their exits. How many times have you seen cars fly across 3 lanes of traffic to get to an exit? Now imagine cars trying this across 5 or 10 or even 20 lanes. Now you need far more road to change lanes, and now you'll get stuck with multi-lane traffic accidents. I suppose traffic can still move around them fast, but the roads definitely wouldn't be safer (a side issue, but normally considered more important than how fast traffic flows).

      Phil

    8. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another cure for traffic jams is to make our highways 20-lanes wide (like in Asimov's novels).

      Two words, separated by a hyphen: rubber-neckers.

      They are the cause of almost all traffic jams.

      (I live in Sterling, couldn't fathom driving into or out of DC every day. I'd do what you do and leave at 5. My neighbor does that as well.)

      I notice a lot of other little tendencies that also contribute to the problem. There's one in particular that comes to mind.

      I usually see this on four-lane highways, where you have two lanes going one way and two lanes going the other way. Anytime there are only two other cars, they are right beside each other, in lock-step, doing the exact same speed over the course of miles. That way no one can pass them. If you tap (not lay on) your horn to try to get the guy in the passing lane to do some crazy like y'know, pass the other driver so you can get by them, they often think you're challenging their manhood rather than asking them not to monopolize a public resource. When I see this shit all the time, it becomes easier to understand why impatient drivers get fed up with it and will make dangerous maneuvers (like cutting right in front of someone) to get around these people. I'm not saying it's an excuse, only that if you create a strong enough temptation some people WILL succumb to it even if they aren't supposed to.

      I often notice people will try to stay in my blind spot so they can do this. There's just no way that they are accidentally going my exact same speed over the course of miles. Any fraction faster or slower would eventually cause one car to pass the other over distances. I also see that when I have to stop for a traffic light, the guy beside me will slow down at the same time that I slow down even though there may be cars in front of me that require me to slow down earlier than he does. This often causes them to stop short, or to stop short, realize it, and then pull up to the light. Or if you take an exit ramp off the highway and you are slowing down in a turning lane, watch the guy who is still on the highway; often he will slow down on the highway lane just because you are slowing down in the separate turning lane, needlessly holding up anyone behind him. I refer to highways that are specifically designed so that turning traffic has its own lane and need not slow down the main road. I think drivers don't understand that groups of cars exhibit wave-like behaviors, so a minor needless slowdown can contribute to jams miles behind you. That is, it does not occur to them to even think at all of how their decisions are affecting other people, which sums up nearly all traffic problems.

      I really don't think they intend to do it. I think they're just such sheep that they cannot even independently choose their own speed. Doing as others around them are doing is just so deeply ingrained. I won't allow someone to hang out in my blind spot for very long at all and will alter my speed to prevent it, both because it prevents me from being able to change lanes and because it limits my maneuverability if I ever had to dodge an obstacle. It has these two downsides and it has no upside for anyone so it's not even selfish of the other drivers, just stupid.

      Another issue that causes some jams is the traffic lights themselves. Traffic lights seem to be why cars travel in these huge packs because they all line up at the red light. The tendencies I mentioned above guarantee that the packs usually don't disperse over distances. If I can manage to get in front of or just behind such a pack of cars, it makes things much easier for me than when I'm stuck within one. I'd be interested in whether something like traffic circles would prevent these large packs from forming.

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    9. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by moeinvt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tell that to all of the A$$holes who suddenly feel the need to accelerate as you try to pass them! Maybe it's just an unconscious competitive thing for some people, but it happens all too frequently. These are definitely not the types of jerks who increase the flow of traffic. I've got my cruise control on, and am steadily approaching the car in front of me at a relative speed of 5-10 mph. I change lanes to pass and all of a sudden the relative rate of speed drops to '0'? Maybe my cruise control just stops working in the center or left lanes?

    10. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by groslyunderpaid · · Score: 3, Funny

      wow. Asshole Saturation Point. When that happens, I don't care *who* you are, you ain't looking good in them jeans.

    11. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many times have you seen cars fly across 3 lanes of traffic to get to an exit?

      Actually, the number of flying cars I've seen up to now was very low. :-)

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    12. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by fredjh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interesting post... I do that all the time, too. I use my cruise not just to maintain speed, but because I'm a leadfoot it helps keep me from getting tickets, and I see it all the time. I think some people are just jerks, but many people do it subconsciously... they'll actually slow when someone is behind them (not necessarily tailgating, as I avoid that), and speed up when you change lanes. It's just perception, as we've both come to the same conclusion by the same means.

      Other things that completely screw up traffic (besides the obvious grid-lockers and rubberneckers, even when someone is just changing a tire or getting a ticket):

      1. "hypermilers" who don't understand lights are timed for the speed limit, and if you don't get up to speed in a reasonable amount of time, you're just going to waste all that gas at red lights.

      2. During rush hour, the problem on "surface" streets is that lights can't be long enough to allow everyone to go through during the green light, so those people just sitting there when the light turns green are racking up the number of cars that are going to get stuck for an extra cycle... but the problem, as I see it, is people have largely stopped honking, so they'll just sit behind such an oblivious person and just wait. If people honked, we could get things moving again. It doesn't have to be a nasty lean on the horn, just a toot-toot.

      3. Cops... I like cops, I appreciate cops, I have cops in the family; it's not really the cops, it's the people who drop below the speed limit simply because one is nearby.

      A few other things that affect me daily: we have a number of locations where the right turn goes into a protected lane... so there are "keep moving" signs... nothing so infuriating as the people in front of you coming to a COMPLETE stop at a "keep moving" sign. In the same vein, there are a number of places with RIGHT turn arrows that are green when the cross traffic has the left turn... again, people come to a complete stop, and sometimes don't even continue moving at all, treating it as a right turn on red.

      And lately, the past year or so, I wouldn't necessarily call them "hypermilers" but so many people seem unwilling to even get up to the speed limit, let alone exceed it by a few miles per hour, as if you're going to get a ticket for 48 in a 45... I know the police aren't going to give me a ticket for 5 miles over, and I often get passed by cops when doing so.

      Whew. Nice to rant about it every once in awhile... "cathartic" experience.

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    13. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Reziac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think this may be hardwired behaviour, NOT due to just being a competitive asshole. It is essentially herd behaviour -- stick with the herd, don't get left behind for the predators to notice.

      I've noticed my neighbour, who has no push-and-shove in her at all and is very much a "herd animal", will drive faster to "keep up with" a car in the next lane, AND DOES NOT REALISE SHE IS DOING IT. She will speed up by as much as 10mph to "keep up" and still doesn't notice she's done so.

      Me, I'm a predator by nature, and I find that my natural response is to get AWAY from the car in the next lane, to get ahead of or behind them, but never to travel side by side.

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    14. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by DJRyanJ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except when you have a jerk on your backside that will clearly blow past you at warp 2 the second he has a chance. THEN pacing the car next to you is the only sensible option to teach those insensitive clods a lesson. /me runs away and sings Dennis Leary's "Asshole"...

    15. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by PoopMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because speed limits have long ago ceased having anything to do with safety and become only revenue generators.

    16. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okay, none of these people are allowed to drive any car with an automatic transmission, ever again. They can drive when they can think.

      Hah! I have also wondered if that alone would change much of this.

      When I was a teenager and had a learner's permit I had a choice of whether I would start out with a manual or an automatic transmission as my parents had each. I chose the manual. I have never regretted that. The extra involvement with what the vehicle is doing helped to give me a better awareness of what's going on around me, because to operate a manual transmission smoothly you can't just react, you have to anticipate what the traffic around and in front of you is doing. That is, it's best to see ahead of time that traffic is slowing down or speeding up so you can already be in the right gear when it does. Learning to use a manual skillfully also implied extra time practicing, giving more opportunities for my parents to notice and correct what would otherwise have become bad habits. Not to mention that if you are familiar with a manual then you can drive nearly any vehicle (at least, any vehicle a normal license would allow you to drive).

      I wish I could prove it but I am convinced that if automatics were outlawed there would be a strong reduction in the number of accidents.

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    17. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Like the guy a few posts up said, the people who irritate me the most are the people who sit in the fast and go the same speed as everyone in the other lanes. We've got a 4/5-lane highway with a speed limit of 65 running through town.

      Going home from work I'll see quite a bit of traffic in the right two lanes, a little less in the third lane, and hardly any in the left lane. Except the one jackass who's going the same speed as everyone in the other lanes and just wants his (her?) own lane. I have no problem running up on those people and sitting on their bumper until they get a clue.

      If you're going the same speed as people in the lane next to you, get in the lane next to you.

      The cop-drivers like you said are always good for a laugh. On the same 65mph highway I'll come up on a clump of cars and, sure enough, there's a cop leading the pack. These people might be going 5 or 10 mph below the speed limit, but no one wants to pass the cop. Assuming there's a lane open I always enjoy passing the clot at 10mph over everyone else and leaving them wondering why the cop isn't pulling me over.

      I saw this once in my rearview, a cop pulled on the onramp and everyone behind him slowed to match his speed (which was lower than the limit). I was the last car in front of him and for the next several miles until we were out of view I just watched the headlights in the mirror get farther and farther back, not a single person passed him. There was a miles-wide gap between myself and the cars in front of me, and the cop.

      Yeah, we should have a daily traffic thread to get this out.

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    18. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by MaXintosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but so many people seem unwilling to even get up to the speed limit, let alone exceed it by a few miles per hour, as if you're going to get a ticket for 48 in a 45...

      Tell that to my officemate, who got a ticket for doing 48 in a 45 zone. It's utter BS, but they do give tickets.

    19. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally, there's one rule I'd like ingrained in every driver's head: never match speeds with someone in the lane next to you

      I think that's a pipe dream. You know what rule I want to beat into every driver in every flyover state?

        (rage bubbling just thinking about it)

      DON'T FUCKING GO SLOWER THAN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IF YOU'RE IN THE PASSING LANE

      I'd be happy if they learned that. If you find yourself in the left lane, and the traffic in the right lane is going faster, do one of a few things
      -learn to use the gas pedal
      -get into the right lane as soon as possible
      -find the nearest cliff and drive off of it
      -wait for me to ram you off the road and kill all the children in your backseat you appear to be thinking of

      I know the speed limit says what it says, and it's good to go that speed. Good for you. If there are people who are not going that speed, you do not try to force them to go the speed limit, that's dangerous for everyone on the road. If someone is passsing you on the right, that should be a major wakeup call to you: you're causing other people to do dangerous things. I've been guilty of this myself at least once or twice, just get over into the right lane ASAP and feel stupid about it, because you were in fact being stupid. Numerous times I've seen drivers create slowdowns on what would otherwise be mostly empty highways because of this. Always in the midwest though, presumably because elsewhere they quickly get shot.

      Disclaimer: please do not take this as actual advocacy of killing anyone, even drivers who do this.

    20. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know how people justify speeding for any reason other than in a critical situation.

      Because when the limit is 55 and everyone else is going 70-75, it probably isn't safe to not speed.

    21. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...for insurance companies. You left-out that part. They lobby harder than anyone for speed limits, because if you get two or more tickets, they can label you a "wreckless driver" (even if you've never had an accident your whole life) and double or even triple their rates.

      Furthermore U.S. Congressional law mandates that interstates be designed for 120 miles an hour (note I said interstates, not the spurs or beltways). Why we are limited to only half that speed makes no sense to me. Other states like Montana have no speed limit, or like Oklahoma have 75mph limits, and are still just as safe as those states with 55 or 65.

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    22. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by joib · · Score: 2, Funny


      Me, I'm a predator by nature

      Well I'm not just any predator - I'm a frickin' T-Rex! There. Beat that! [*]

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    23. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Chatterton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, this kind of things is my wet dream. No more grandpa stuck in the middle of the motorway at half the speed limit and no more speed jerk running over your bumper because you drive to slow for them but already 5-10km/h over the speed limit... For me a car is a tool to move from point A to point B. If i don't have to bother about the others cars because the car do it for me, I will have time to read/play/work during to commute.

    24. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 4, Informative

      but if it's the latter, why should I make room for you to break the law (go over 65)?

      At least in Illinois, it's the Law to move over to the right lane if there is faster traffic behind you. So in illinois, you would be breaking the law to enforce another one. Not to mention that it's just plain rude of you just move over to the other lane that's driving all legal and stuff. Or become a traffic cop. A real one. with tickets and stuff.

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    25. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by orgelspieler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lights are timed for the speed limit

      Where do you live that the lights are timed for the speed limit? Around the Houston area they certainly aren't. Your probability for catching a green wave does not increase with proximity to the speed limit. Hell, in some neighborhoods all the lights have car sensors rather than timers.

      As for coasting to a stop at a red light, that's not "hypermiling," it's just common sense. I can't count the number of times I've had to stop because somebody gunned past me on the way to a red light, only to have to stop, when we both could have coasted through had he just had an iota of patience. So wasteful!

      people have largely stopped honking, so they'll just sit behind such an oblivious person and just wait

      Man I want to live where you do. Around here, if you aren't immediately moving you get honked at. The great irony there is that if you don't wait at least half a second before hitting the gas, you're likely to get hit by a red-light-runner.

      rubberneckers, even when someone is just changing a tire or getting a ticket

      Slowing down is not rubbernecking when somebody is getting a ticket. In Texas, you're required by law to either move over one lane or drop to 20 mph below the posted speed limit when passing an emergency vehicle with lights on.

      so many people seem unwilling to even get up to the speed limit, let alone exceed it by a few miles per hour, as if you're going to get a ticket for 48 in a 45

      People don't go over the speed limit, because it's the law (in most states, though some have a reasonable speed clause). If you don't like it, petition your local transportation department to change it. Don't ride their ass, honk your horn, and/or flip them off. Not saying you do, but several want-to-go-fast-because-I-can drivers certainly do. I used to be one of them when I was a whippersnapper. And there are certainly locales where the local police force will give you a ticket for going even one mph over the posted limit, even when you're in the process of decelerating from one speed zone to another.

      As for people who stop on acceleration lanes, I'm right with you. It's terribly common in San Antonio. I'm surprised it doesn't cause more accidents than it does. It's second on my list of pet peeves only to those who don't yield to those on an exit ramp.

      In an older copy of the Texas driver handbook, you used to have to come to a complete stop at a red with green arrow. In some states it may still be that way, I don't know. Additionally, if you're turning, it's always advisable to slow down enough so that you can stop if there are pedestrians present.

    26. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Kayden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it's not my fault traffic clumps. I'm doing the speed limit. If others were doing the speed limit they wouldn't be catching up to me, would they? Doing the speed limit doesn't create dangerous conditions. Speeding and tailgating cause dangerous conditions. They don't tailgate because I won't let them speed, they tailgate because they have an over inflated sense of entitlement. The time it's the biggest problem is on 94 when it's 3 lanes. The first lane has people getting on and off. Since they're morons, they get on at about 45, so I don't want to be in that lane both because I don't want to stop for retards and because I'd be in the way of people trying to get on/off. The second lane has a bunch of people in it doing 55 trying to get around the people in lane 1 doing 45. Even when the second lane is doing 65, you still have people that cut from 3 to 1 without signaling 50 feet before their exit. The third lane is the safest, most stress free choice available. And it's not like the other two lanes are empty and I have nothing better to do than sit in lane 3 dragging my feet. Traffic is moderate and the third lane presents the least amount of obstacles. I'm not going to jump lanes because the guy riding my ass at 65 can run up 40 whole feet and ride the ass of the guy ahead of me doing 67. People here take it as a personal offense if you don't let them speed, even if the guy ahead of you is doing the speed limit too. No one should get indignant about not being allowed to break the law.

    27. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by jaguar5150 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, it is your fault. You are not the police. You are not God. Stop trying to control traffic with YOUR over-inflated sense of entitlement.

      YOU are the single point of failure in these scenarios. You are outnumbered by the people wanting to go 69 (or whatever speed) in a 65.

      I typically drive about 4-6 mph over on the freeway. I have no problem moving to the right (or even the center) lane when someone wants to go faster than me. Neither should you. The only reason in the world for you to think it's OK to sit in the left lane going the same speed as the person in the next lane over is because you think you are in control. You are a bad-ass wannabe traffic director.

      Get out of the way of the other people needing or wanting to move faster than you.

    28. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I actually saw a woman driving with her elbow this morning. She had the cellphone in her right hand and her left hand was blocking the sun from her eyes.

      That bitch really needs to learn how to use her knee.

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    29. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you are paying for my gasoline, I will let you choose what speed I decide to move at on the road. Here our speed limit is set to 70. I get better gas mileage at 65. Everyone else goes 83 except truckers, I guess gas just is not high enough for people who speed.

      Fine, just stay out of the left lane.

      The "Speed Limit" is not the "Minimum Required Speed"

      Sure, but it is the expected speed in good conditions.

      Remember the speed limit is created as the maximum safe speed for a given length of road on favorable conditions. So I continue to ask everyone, what is your hurry?

      The speed limit is often political, and is defined for the crappiest car that's road worthy - drive a uhaul truck at the speed limit and it's a whole lot more risk than my WRX going 10 (or 25) over. I'm not in a hurry, but I like to drive fast.

      For all those who are wondering about why people tend (see that 40% thing again) to speed up while you are passing them?

      Because some people don't want to drive fast, but can't stand the idea of someone passing them. Pretty messed up, really.

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    30. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by ShaunC · · Score: 2

      they can label you a "wreckless driver" (even if you've never had an accident your whole life)

      Makes perfect sense to me!

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    31. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The former is understandable, but if it's the latter, why should I make room for you to break the law (go over 65)? Sure, it's your choice to speed, but I don't see where I should feel bad about doing the speed limit.

      Because "slower traffic keep right" is the law too, and if you fail to yield then you're breaking it!

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    32. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by nine-times · · Score: 2, Funny

      It IS a character flaw. It comes from mindlessly carrying out a task. It's the opposite of acting in a deliberate, strategic, planned fashion based on your own independent decision-making.

      Ok, well I suppose you might be some kind of freak who has no actual human qualities. Good for you. For everyone else in the world, we occasionally follow our instincts and conditioning. For mere mortals (not you, who I'm sure is a veritable god on earth) there is absolutely no way around it. All the mindfulness in the world will ultimately not allow you to cease following your instincts and conditioned responses. You may as well be trying to prevent your reflex from kicking your leg when the doctor taps your knee.

      What's worse, it's stupid to be so mindful of little everyday crap all the time. There's a reason why your brain allows you to run on autopilot when doing certain things. When I'm walking down the street, should I be thinking, "Left, right, left, right, left, right. Don't walk too close to that guy, Wait, now you're too far. Make sure you're swinging your arms while you walk, or else it looks weird. Left, right, left, right." It would be stupid, and what's worse, it would prevent my mind from thinking about more important things, such as where I'm going. I mean, not you, obviously. You're a god among men, don't suffer from such frailties, and have unlimited cognitive abilities.

      Now honestly, I'd agree with you if you were simply saying that people should be more mindful on the road. It's a dangerous place, and we take it too lightly. But trying to make it about people being "sheep" is just a little silly. If you were human, you'd understand that every single person who drives for any length of time will eventually space out for a little while. Every one. Every single person will occasional fall into some unconscious pattern of following someone else on the road without noticing. All people have unconscious/subconscious forces that help in driving their behavior, and by definition they aren't very aware of it.

    33. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Funny

      ROFL. I think you meant "reckless" driver. When my insurance company labeled my household as "wreckless" drivers many years ago, they gave us a reduction on our insurance rates :D

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    34. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by ZFox · · Score: 2, Funny

      you say that like cops are great scholars of traffic law. I always get told "tell it to the judge".

    35. Re:and yet NYC still has traffic jams by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, they're not. Notice how no one is really happy with the performance of government? It's because the voters don't really have a choice. The only choices you have are ones which are approved by the establishment (the media, the other politicians in power, etc.). It's not like Joe Centrist can run for office and get elected and change all these things; it's unlikely he'll get elected because of all the politics and media, and even if he does get elected, then he can't get anything done which the voters really want because the other people in power won't allow it (you can't get new laws passed without a majority of politicians agreeing). Plus, we have the whole corrupt two-party thing going on, preventing anyone who doesn't conform to one of the two parties from getting elected. Basically, the whole system is rigged.

      Most people want a higher speed limit. This is easily proven by looking at how fast traffic flows on most highways; people driving at or below the speed limit are usually a minority. But it's not going to happen because local governments make a lot of money on speeding tickets (and now, automated speeding cameras).

  2. Doing their part to reduce traffic! by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course rude drivers ease congestion. When they kill someone because of their stupidity, not only will that person not drive again, but they'll probably lose their license, so they won't either!

    1. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by Calithulu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No kidding. I have to wonder if they bothered to look at the number of accidents caused when someone did something stupid. TFA doesn't mention accidents at all.

    2. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In some places, lane splitting is legal.

    3. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by Ioldanach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In some places, lane splitting is legal.

      That doesn't mean its wise or safe. Don't go lane splitting on your motorcycle and then get pissed that someone who couldn't see you because you're moving at twice the speed of traffic tried to change lanes and you wrecked. You were engaging in an unsafe, if legal, maneuver.

    4. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by SnapShot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've always wanted a law that billed people who cause accidents on major freeways (or their estates, as the case may be) the average hourly wage for that state multiplied by the number of total hours lost due to their actions. For example, if some asshole gets into a fender bender on 95 because he was fucking with his goddammed cell phone and 10,000 people are delayed for an hour and the average wage in Maryland is $17/hour then he (or his estate) owes $170,000 which can then be used to fund hypertension treatment facilities and meditation centers in the state.

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    5. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the jury is still out on whether its safe or not - and most evidence so far suggests its actually safer. I know if traffic is crawling along it seems safe enough to me - the biggest problem is being cut off by arse holes who are pissed off you're filtering through traffic despite the fact they are sitting there.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting#Relevant_research

      I know in the UK you can only do it when traffic is flowing below a certain speed, and that they ask you questions about it if you are getting a regular drivers license (yes - hard to believe they'd want drivers of cars to be aware of motorcycles) - of course license requirements there are much much more stringent than they are in the USA.

      Thing is - on a hot day sitting on a hot bike in full gear (its like wearing your fur coat to the beach...) not moving can be really miserable. It can contribute to fatigue, bike failure - all kinds of stuff that I would figure would be more dangerous to traffic than filtering.

    6. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by bill_kress · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also means that people who get angry at lane splitters are often inappropriatly righteous feeling and ignorant.

      I was surprised to have a motorcycle cop explain (traffic school) that it was not only legal, but often required in LA because motorcycles are often air-cooled and physically cannot sit still in a traffic jam at idle in 100 degree weather without overheating.

    7. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by RobBebop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      then he (or his estate) owes $170,000 which can then be used to fund hypertension treatment facilities and meditation centers in the state.

      What about using that money to give tax write-offs to businesses who encourage their employees to work from home to reduce traffic? I personally make it a point to live as close to work as is affordable (currently 20-25 minutes with no time on major highways) but my understanding is that *most* people have 45-75 minute commutes to and from work everyday.

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    8. Re:Doing their part to reduce traffic! by Ioldanach · · Score: 2, Informative

      In which case yes, they've made the practice as safe as it is likely to get. Unfortunately, drivers in most areas are still not used to motorcycles engaging in lane splitting because it just doesn't happen all that often, and are unlikely to be specifically watching for it.

  3. Correlation != causation by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem of cars "clumping" is due to the "rule abiding" drivers following each other too closely. This is in fact not rule abiding.

    A reasonable space must be left between each car to provide enough extra slack to handle unexpected events like braking and slowing. When people follow too closely, this slack is all but eliminated thus causing each unexpected event's effect to become magnified. A quick tap of the brakes causes a chain reaction resulting in a traffic jam. Leaving enough space to handle an unexpected event provides each driver extra time to react.

    In addition, since the additional slack allows for longer reaction times, a faster average speed can be achieved. Bob Dobbs would be so proud.

    1. Re:Correlation != causation by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem of cars "clumping" is due to the "rule abiding" drivers following each other too closely. This is in fact not rule abiding.

      And in fact that behavior is largely caused by the people who break the rules as defined by this study. So, the 40% who break the rules to make traffic flow better cause the other people to drive in such a manner so as to make the traffic problem worse in such a way as that behavior by the 40% fixes.

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    2. Re:Correlation != causation by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That whole "don't follow so close" thing works great, until you have a significant amount of merging going on. When merges occur drivers either need to slow down to maintain distance or start driving closer (or, oftentimes both...). It'd be nice if our roads actually allowed us to drive like that. Certainly in DC they don't, maybe other places arn't as bad.

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    3. Re:Correlation != causation by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Correct.

      In fact, not only will backing up help avoid creating stop-and-go traffic, it help get rid of it once it exists. Get back four or five car lengths, and let the damn stop-and-go average out.

      Stop and go traffic is contagious. It's like a cold. Someone starts it, usually from following too closely and having to break. People catch it from the cars in front of them, and pass it on to cars behind them, and then get cured naturally.

      If you refuse to get 'infected', if you back off far enough that their stop and go doesn't make you stop, yeah, you don't get there any faster, you can't go through the cars in front of you. But you're not going to get there slower, and you'll get there with less gas usage and less wear-and-tear on your car. And the same for all the cars behind you, and very shortly, the entire mess will be over. (As soon as the people in front of you are cured of it.)

      This is, in fact, often how outbreaks of stop and go disappear by themselves. Eventually, without consciously doing it, often just with poor reflexes, people average it into non-existence.

      The problem, of course, is all the idiots who jump in front of you when you back off far enough to make it totally disappear. And their jumping in front of you makes you brake, starting a new case of stop-and-go.

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    4. Re:Correlation != causation by Nethead · · Score: 4, Informative

      See http://trafficwaves.org/trafexp.html for a model of tailgating.

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    5. Re:Correlation != causation by CorporateSuit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Woah, woah, wait a second, there, pal. If you back up 4 or 5 car lengths, and expect everyone else to, then you're, in effect, increasing traffic by 4-5 times. Rush hour traffic jams are caused by too many cars on the road at one time. If you say each car needs to extend its personal sphere by 3-4 times, then you're turning every civic into a double-trailer. Suddenly, the capacity for a highway goes from 500 cars per lane per mile down to 200 cars per lane per mile. This might be ok for a place like... Unknown Town, Idaho -- but in places where traffic is caused by BOTTLENECKS and not just COWS or ACCIDENTS, (cities with populations over 3,000). Breaking because the guy in front of you is breaking or slowing or merging may cause temporarily slowdown or lag in a slinky effect, but it's not what shuts down entire 8-lane freeways for hours.

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    6. Re:Correlation != causation by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wasn't saying do it normally, although I can see how it could be read that way.

      I was saying it should be done as a solution to an existing area of stop and go traffic, not to prevent it. (Although it certainly would do that also! But the price would be too high.) People should just...stop. Once. And let traffic get four to five car lengths in front of them, and then drive.

      And only one person per-lane should be doing this. Aka, someone stopping in front of you and waiting till people got that far should not, itself, cause you do to then do the same thing to them. They already fixed the stop and go, you can just follow them normally.

      Except, of course, this won't work, because fools will jump in. The best solution currently is to just inform people that every time they brake in stop and go traffic, they make the problem worse. So they should let cars get as far in front of them as they are comfortable with, and slowly idle forward instead of moving forward and braking.

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    7. Re:Correlation != causation by dcollins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The cry "Correlation != causation" is now the official Slashdot signal for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and probably didn't read the article.

      (1) This research is done on a computer model of each possible behavior. It's a designed experiment. Neil A. Weiss, Introductory Statistics p. 22: "In a designed experiment, researchers impose treatments and controls and then observe charactersitics and take measurements. Observational studies can reveal only association, whereas designed experiments can help establish causation." (Emphasis his.)

      (2) The issue of slack between cars is not overlooked, it's *included as a major component of the reasearch*. FTA: "However, there is one rule you shouldn't break, according to a new analysis of how high-volume traffic flows along a highway. Cecile Appert-Rolland, a physicist at the University of Paris-Sud, looked at the tailing distances between cars traveling on a busy two-lane expressway in the suburbs of Paris. Most people have heard of the 'three-second rule' for following distances; after the car ahead of you passes a point on the road, count to three. If you pass the same object before you get to three, you're following too closely...

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    8. Re:Correlation != causation by caluml · · Score: 4, Insightful
      From your sig:

      You save only 59 seconds over 8 miles by going 75 instead of 65. Do you really have to pass that guy? Do the Math!

      Think of it like this: you're getting there 15% sooner. 15% of a long journey is not to be sneezed at.

  4. Re:atlanta by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Funny. When I have driven there, I thought that ppl were actually pretty nice, though fast.
    In fact, I normally speed at about 9 over, but was being passed all over in Atlanta.

    Another nice place was Seattle, but they tend to be slow.

    Denver Colorado has some horribly rude drivers (esp. Highlands Ranch), but these are the types that cause jams. They like to drive in left lane AND go slow. I do a lot of passing on the right because ppl here are so bad. Likewise, they like to jam up. I do my utmost to get pass idiots like that and be in the open where I do not have to worry about bad drivers. Drivers here will actually try to prevent you from passing them and will flip you off if you do. We have far too many Texans and Easterners.

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  5. Not Rude in My Book! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Breaking the rules" is not rude behavior on the road, as far as I'm concerned. Most of the problems on our highways are caused by people driving 'below' the rules. Some examples are failing to accelerate to highway speed on the onramp, driving in the 'passing' lane when you aren't passing anyone, and my personal least favorite, not being ready to go when the light turns green at a crowded rush hour intersection. If no-one made these key mistakes our highways would probably be able to accomodate 20% more traffic without any physical upgrades in capacity. yet somehow, I'm the bad guy for flashing my lights at some jerk driving 55 right next to someone else going 55 when there are 15 cars stacked up behind him!

  6. The three second rule by drdrgivemethenews · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Article also says to always obey the 3 second rule. This doesn't make sense. In heavy traffic most folks are 1/2 to one second apart. If you spread them 3 seconds apart, throughput goes down by a factor of between three and six. Too bad, the original research is impressive and spot on.

    1. Re:The three second rule by dbet · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not that throughput is cut down, it's that if you leave that much space, someone will move into it. In rush hour, it's IMPOSSIBLE to maintain more than a 2-3 car distance at any speed, because someone will immediately occupy a 5-8 car distance the moment it is created.

  7. Finally by VorpalRodent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Vindication at last! I can now provide proof to my wife that my driving style has a purpose, and that purpose is for the greater good of mankind.

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  8. Respect rules of the road, not just the official 1 by Faizdog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMO, a lot of problems could be avoided if people respected all the rules of the road, and not just the official ones. For example, I respect anyone's right to drive at whatever speed they feel comfortable with. If that's at, above or below the speed limit I don't care. However, no matter how fast you're going, if there's someone behind you who wishes to go faster, move over to the right. It's not your job to set speed limits, the cops do that, and they exercise discretion too depending on the traffic and time of the day.

    What gets me really frustrated is people in the left lane, going at or slightly below the speed limit, with a LONG line behind them. It's situations like these that cause problems, as people who wish to go faster try to get around the slowpokes.

    In my opinion, if people simply moved over for a faster car, kept the left lane open for passing/faster traffic, then the vast majority of weaving cars and "jerks" on the highways would disappear.

    It's a big peeve of mine. I drive faster than the speed limit, I'll admit it. If I'm in the wrong, the cops will pull me over. However, get out of the left lane if you're going slow and there's 10 cars tailgating behind you!

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  9. Re:Police Siren by fastest+fascist · · Score: 4, Funny

    That depends on the loudness of your horn. If it displaces enough air to actually move the cars forward, you might be a helpful jerk.

  10. Empirical Evidence by njfuzzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I live in Boston, so I have empirical evidence that if 40% people drive like assholes, you still get plenty of traffic jams. Sorry, your model must be broken.

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  11. Re:Riiiight. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, in Germany it would be against the law to change early. It has been shown that driving till the end, and then merging as "one from the left lane, one from the right lane" is the most efficient way to handle ending lanes. Therefore the law demands that. It's called "Reissverschlussverfahren" ("zipper procedure").

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  12. Re:atlanta by ByOhTek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think they did.

    The risk of jamming is lower if all people obey the rules than if they all disobey them, according to the analysis, but jamming risk is lowest when about 40 percent of people drive like jerks.

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  13. Re:40%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, the interesting thing is that the people breaking the rules make the entire situation better for everyone else, too; not just for themselves.

  14. Re:Respect rules of the road, not just the officia by Faizdog · · Score: 2, Informative

    On a related note, my other biggest pet peeve is the slow people who speed up when they see you trying to pass them so that you can't, and then slow down again.

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  15. Unrealistic model of academic interest. by pawsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As somebody has already mentioned in the comment on PhysicsCentral, a realistic model should take into account the dependence between the probability of causing an accident resulting in a traffic jam and the driving style. I could read only the abstract. If the parameter q is the only parameter used, it is not entirely surprising that they got the results they got. In such a model, the rule-obeying drivers driving in the same direction stick together. Rule non-obedience makes the fluid more compressible. Shock waves in compressible fluids appears at higher velocities. It is surely nice their model agrees with the intuition. I would not call such a simplified model realistic, though.

  16. Re:40%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If someone is passing on the wrong side, then someone else already being rude and breaking the rules by refusing to yield the passing lane.

  17. I hate people by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The other day, a person was changing their tire on the shoulder of the road facing the opposite direction (was a 4-lane road, 2 lanes in each direction, separated by a 20 foot or so median) and traffic on my side of the road came to a halt. Once I made it to the front of the line of traffic, in the lane (going the opposite direction) nearest the tire-changer, a car in the lane next to me and slightly ahead of me was gawking at the scene so hard they started drifting HARD into my lane. They were completely mesmerized by someone changing a frigging tire. To the point that they weren't even conscious that they were still driving a car.

    I swear I don't get it. I had to blare my horn at them to get them to get back over into their lane, and they had the temerity to flip me off! Luckily for me, I drive a large truck and was able to pull in front of them at the next light where I stopped, put on my hazards, drug them from their car and threw them into traffic. No, of course I didn't. However, it's interesting how rage-filled we people get in traffic. I am trying to get it under control, but cannot abide selfish, stupid unaware drivers. I hate them with a burning passion.

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    1. Re:I hate people by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

      I suggest relaxing with a nice drink before you drive.

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  18. Re:40%? by GospelHead821 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While they make the situation better for everybody, the people breaking the rules benefit the most. This is sort of like the "tragedy of the commons," with a twist. In the tragedy of the commons, the people who don't break the rules don't derive any benefit. In this situation, they're at least a little bit better off than if nobody broke the rules. Everybody has an incentive to try to be in that 40%, though. (Some people, like me, follow the rules dogmatically and altruistically.) I guess what's called for is some sort of automagic lottery system by which 40% of drivers in high-traffic situations are notified in real-time that they are being encouraged to drive more aggressively. AI researchers, get on that.

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  19. Re:Respect rules of the road, not just the officia by TrevorB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know I slow down when people tailgate me very badly (within a meter), and speed up again when they change lanes. It's a guilty pleasure.

    Honestly, it's the only safe thing to me do. If I have someone driving that close behind me I'll need more time to brake if something happens up ahead, to prevent the person behind me ramming into me.

    Give me space, and we'll go a nice fast speed. I'll be happy to let you pass me and will move to the right. Ride my ass and expect to go under the limit.

  20. Count me as part of the 40%! by dmitrybrant · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nothing frustrates me more than incompetence on the road. I deal with it swiftly, and with great justice!

  21. Re:Rude Drivers by mrsurb · · Score: 2, Funny

    Being Slashdot, the answer would be one that doesn't run on Linux :)

  22. Cellular Autonima don't get into accidents. by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And they don't rubber-neck. They don't break down. They don't get pulled over for speeding tickets,

  23. Re:atlanta by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You've pegged Atlanta. Here, people tend to be somewhat nice drivers. (As opposed to, for example, New York City, where they are horrible mean.) But very, very fast on the highways.

    And, for some totally inexplicably reason, the Downtown Connector has a frickin speed limit of 55, so people are constantly going about 20 over, or about 10 over what it should be. (The greatest stunt ever.)

    For those of you who don't know what the Connector is, that's where I-75 and I-85, the main north-south roads, merge into one giant superroad. 16 lanes of traffic in some places, 300,000+ cars a day.

    All going 80 miles an hour. Down a road that doesn't have a medium, or a shoulder half the time. (The road essentially goes underneath the city streets, straight through both Downtown and Midtown, with walls down the side and buildings on top of them looming over the road.)

    OTOH, people will, in fact, let you into traffic on the surface streets, and not attempt to wedge their car up your ass or cut you off.

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  24. Re:Respect rules of the road, not just the officia by La_Boca · · Score: 5, Informative

    the safe thing to do is you should have already switched lanes (if you're in the left that is) by the time they got to you if you see them coming up.

  25. Re:Californians and their "log jams" by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wish I had a dime for everytime I've been on 101 and there are 4 cars in front of me all going 65 (the limit) with nothing in front of them. Nobody seems to understand that the passing lane is for passing.

    As someone living in CA, I agree that it's a nuisance (San Diego seems to be much better about this than LA), however, the left lane is NOT a passing lane in CA as it is in other states. All lanes of traffic are free for general travel, and it is expected that faster traffic moves left. In some states it is illegal to stay in the left lane, but not CA.

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  26. Re:Surprise! by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cute. But actually the paper is more about the probability of forming jams, not about getting rid of jams once they've already formed.

    The conclusion is more like: Though traffic rules are designed to lead to orderly flows, the lowest jamming rate (under certain conditions) actually occurs when some fraction of participants ignore the rules.

    (As a side note, it's a bit of a pet-peeve of mine when people make fun of studies by saying "That conclusion is so obvious! What a waste of time!" Common sense, hunches, and gut feelings are often wrong, which is why we do rigorous research to get at the right answers. And even if the general conclusion is obvious (in hindsight, mind you), rigorous research means that we can say something about error bars and make specific statements about applicability and predictability of models.)

  27. Re:Four words by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The convenient thing about jerks is that, nearly by definition, they aren't worried about justification.

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  28. Re:Respect rules of the road, not just the officia by hamburgler007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hopefully I won't get trolled for this, but it's that kind of mentality that causes accidents. Not the part about slowing down in front of a tailgater necessarily, but intentionally speeding up as soon as they go to pass you in the other lane.

  29. Re:40%? by groslyunderpaid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As an FYI not all states require the passing lane to be "yeilded" so long as you are going the speed limit. This is the case I believe in MD as well as NC, among others. If the speed limit is 65 and and both lanes have people next to each other going 65, get over it, no law is being broken.

    And if the speed limit is 65, and I'm in the left lane going 75, and you come up on my ass flashing lights trying to get me to move over, you will get ignored. I don't give a shit if you want to go 85 in a 65 like 30% of the other drivers, the limit is 65 and I'm already going 75. I'm not going to move into the right lane and get stuck behind someone going 55, unable to change lanes because everyone on my left is going 25-30mph faster than me.

  30. Re:Respect rules of the road, not just the officia by RobBebop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the safe thing to do is you should have already switched lanes (if you're in the left that is) by the time they got to you if you see them coming up.

    This isn't always possible. Often, there are people in the right hand lane going 70-75 mph and passing the speed limiters in the left lane who are traveling 65 mph. Just because you want to go 85 mph doesn't mean the slower motorists should automatically bow to your speedy abilities. This would, in my opinion, mean that *you* are driving like an asshole.

    This is *most* evident when two tractor trailers are passing each other on a major two or three lane highway. But basic congestion causes it too... and whenever you drive like an asshole when there is already congestion... you are only going to make it worse.

    Corollary: I've always thought cops should actively seek to give tickets to motorists who get passed on the left by drivers who are traveling at a legal speed limit. That behavior is just a dangerous as the asshole who weaves in and out of traffic. So, slow drivers in right-hand and middle lanes are assholes, too.

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  31. Re:atlanta by saider · · Score: 2, Informative

    D10 dice. Roll for enhanced "jerk". Less than 4 succeeds.

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  32. part of the solution by big+dumb+dog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nice! I am finally part of the solution.

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  33. Re:Respect rules of the road, not just the officia by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm with you there, I used to like to speed. Now I like to cruise in the slow lane, and I have the opposite peeve: Asshats who refuse to use the two empty lanes on my left to pass, and ride my frickin bumper. I'll give em a minute, then the foot comes off the gas. Had one guy wait until we got down to 35 before he passed me. So sorry, is changing lanes really that hard?

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  34. Re:40%? by Darby · · Score: 2, Informative

    If the speed limit is 65 and and both lanes have people next to each other going 65, get over it, no law is being broken.

    That just means that your legislators are utter failures. There does not exist an excuse for failing to prevent people from blocking the freeways. This is the primary cause of congestion and accidents.

    I'm not going to move into the right lane and get stuck behind someone going 55, unable to change lanes because everyone on my left is going 25-30mph faster than me.

    So you'll stick *everybody else in the entire passing lane*r behind your dumb, slow moving ass and you thing that's somehow ok while it's a great tragedy to expect you to keep up with the flow of traffic WTF you utterly sleazy self-centered piece of garbage wrapped in skin?!?!?! I'm truly amazed at how fucking vile some people go out of their way to choose to be.

    *You* are the problem in this situation. *You* are the jerk, and *you* are the bad guy.

    You refuse to keep up with the traffic in the passing lane yet you also refuse to remain in the lane appropriate to your speed and driving abilities.
    The people going 85 in the *passing lane* are going with the flow of traffic and are driving appropriately for the conditions. You are not doing either of those things. You are intentionally and with malice aforethought blocking the passing lane in order to prevent other people from using the roads they pay for in a the perfectly safe manner they choose. You are increasing everybody's risk, and you're doing it solely so that you can be a jerk to the people around you. If you can not keep up with the normal pace of traffic in the fast lane, then the only decent, rational, or appropriate thing for you to do is stay out of the way of the people who are traveling at the proper speed. There is nothing about your actions that justify the problems you are willfully choosing to inflict on the poeple around you solely due to the fact that you can't be bothered to go the appropriate speed. The appropriate speed is never determined by the laws which you've already admitted your legislators are failures at determining, it's determined by the speed traffic is traveling. You are in the wrong and there is nothing that could possibly justify your active asshattery. Please stop it and start acting as if you were a decent human being instead of the malicious asshole you declared yourself to be.

    You're not even helping yourself and you're fucking over tons of people around you. I mean think that through, Sparky, and consider what a vile scumbag your chosen course of action *proves* you to be absolutely and beyond any possibility of a doubt.

     

  35. Re:40%? by RoverDaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My take on that, is that as long as you are actually passing somebody, you have every right to remain in the passing lane, even if some %#^@*! wants to go 10 mph faster than you. However, once the lane to your right is clear for a reasonable distance, you must yield the passing lane, even if you think the guy behind you is going unreasonably fast. This is the law here in MA and I believe most states enforce "keep right except to pass". Driving the speed limit does not entitle you to the left lane, even though it's an apparent contradiction that the speeder behind you has the right to pass you.

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  36. Re:Californians and their "log jams" by sdnick · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wish I had a dime for everytime I've been on 101 and there are 4 cars in front of me all going 65 (the limit) with nothing in front of them. Nobody seems to understand that the passing lane is for passing.

    As someone living in CA, I agree that it's a nuisance (San Diego seems to be much better about this than LA), however, the left lane is NOT a passing lane in CA as it is in other states. All lanes of traffic are free for general travel, and it is expected that faster traffic moves left. In some states it is illegal to stay in the left lane, but not CA.

    California Vehicle Code: 21654. (a) Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

  37. Red light: foot OFF the gas by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. "hypermilers" who don't understand lights are timed for the speed limit, and if you don't get up to speed in a reasonable amount of time, you're just going to waste all that gas at red lights.

    2. During rush hour, the problem on "surface" streets is that lights can't be long enough to allow everyone to go through during the green light, so those people just sitting there when the light turns green are racking up the number of cars that are going to get stuck for an extra cycle... but the problem, as I see it, is people have largely stopped honking, so they'll just sit behind such an oblivious person and just wait. If people honked, we could get things moving again. It doesn't have to be a nasty lean on the horn, just a toot-toot.

    And lately, the past year or so, I wouldn't necessarily call them "hypermilers" but so many people seem unwilling to even get up to the speed limit, let alone exceed it by a few miles per hour, as if you're going to get a ticket for 48 in a 45... I know the police aren't going to give me a ticket for 5 miles over, and I often get passed by cops when doing so.

    He's a thing I do: When the light in front of me turns red, I get my foot off the gas, and I let the car decelerate towards the red light.
    When I'm in the zone, I pretty much don't stop at red lights because they have the time to turn back to green before I get to them.

    Now, here's the problem with that: The masses of idiots who are in a fucking hurry to go park on the red. They cut me off, and then I have to stop behind them while I wait for them to start up again when the light turns green. Some of them are salvageable, as after seeing me do my thing for a few lights they understand the principle and start laying off the gas when they see the next red, some are not, and insist on cutting me off and, I dunno... win the street race going on in their demented little heads. First one wasting gas and brake lining wins! Woo!

    Anyway, leadfoot, remember that red lights mean "stop accelerating", not "this is the finish line to the race, quick, get here before anybody else" :)

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  38. Re:40%? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Calm down, chief. If he's going 75 in the passing lane like he said, and the other lane is going 55 he is exactly where he should be. If he's passing, he belongs in the passing lane. Your right to pass him is not more important than his right to pass others. If you think it is, that makes you the "utterly sleazy self-centered piece of garbage wrapped in skin."

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  39. Speed camera logic is blown up by this study by bjdevil66 · · Score: 2

    Here in the Phoenix, Arizona metropolitan area, we have dozens of fixed and mobile speed cameras on our state highways. (There is currently a drive to ban them - go to camerafraud.com to learn more about their drive - but that's another story). A big part of the pro-camera argument coming from the vendors (and the Highway Patrol - called DPS in Arizona) is that the cameras significantly improve traffic flow and make the roads "smoother and more efficient" for drivers, and this study flies in the face of this oft-preached philosophy.

    I'm one of those "jerk drivers" this study was talking about, and my anecdotal experience has been that since the cameras were installed and turned on last November, the drivers now will not move over and let other drivers by (this behavior suddenly appeared the week of the installation, so there's strong correlation between the two events.) Whether it is because of speed camera fear, pride, revenge-driven anger at speeders, or gadget-induced ignorance of the drivers around them (cell phones, texting, etc.), they are now clogging ALL lanes at cruise control like speeds. (In many cases I have seen these drivers taking advantage of their "smooth" time by choose to text or call other people or do some other menial (and dangerous) task while being oblivious of the rolling traffic jam that is forming behind them.)

    When I can finally get past these drivers and go around them at 15+ over the ridiculously low 55 or 65 MPH speed limits they are rolling along at (keep in mind that these are speed limits on newer, modern, wide, and smooth 10+ lane highways), it breaks these clogs up for various reasons. Sometimes the slow drivers realize that they are a problem and move over. At other times, other drivers are encouraged to speed up and go around the slower drivers. Either way, the traffic cesspool that forms due to one or two "law abiding citizens" that don't move out of the way is broken up - by me, a "jerk" driver.

    So, if this study is correct, and speed cameras continue to go up everywhere, and license plates are tracked in order to enforce speeds EVERYWHERE, traffic is going to suffer greatly in Arizona, unless us "jerks" keep it moving more efficiently.

  40. Re:My driving pet peeves. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Welcome to Seattle!

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  41. Re:Riiiight. by LordKronos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I take issue whatever study showed that waiting until the last minute is more efficient. You've got 1 lane of traffic, and for any given speed that lane travels at, you can only get a certain flow rate of cars through that bottleneck, no matter if it's 1 lane feeding it, 2 lanes, or 100 lanes. Well, if you wait until the last minute to merge, you end up with cars tighter together, which means the tolerance for merging is a lot smaller. This would be perfectly fine if everything were computer controlled, but since we've got human with emotions involved, you end up with people having to slow down to merge more carefully. But see, by slowing down, you've just decreased the speed of the lane, so fewer cars are going to make it through in a given time. On the other hand, if you merge early, vehicles will not yet have moved into a tighter formation, so you can more comfortably merge into a single lane without having to slow down as much. You can maintain a higher overall speed, and thus get a higher flow rate through the bottleneck. However, even if you can merge together at the last minute without slowing down, at best you get the same flow rate as if everyone had merged early, so in what way is merging late better?

    Of course, we are talking theoretically here. As soon as the one idiot gets greedy and waits until the end, you lose that benefit as everyone has to slow down anyway. However, that's where proper enforcement can come into play. Start ticketing people and they'll learn. Then again, you start ticketing people and that just compounds the problem as people start slowing down..."oh my god, it's a police officer....and he's writing a ticket....slow...down...I've...never...seen...that...before". I guess the only way to make it work right is to go vigilante and start blocking the lane, but then that opens up a whole different can of worms. I guess you can't win.

    Also, on this topic, I find it interesting to see how people in different areas behave. Here in Michigan, you will almost always see people waiting until the last minute to merge. A few years ago we went down the the Smokies/Blue Ridge Parkway. On the way back, we were in Virginia (or maybe West Virginia). There was construction at a tunnel, and we were merged into one lane. There was nobody waiting until the last minute to merge. I looked back in the mirror, and for as far as I could see (at least a half mile), there was just a single line of cars and an empty lane.