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Underground App Store Courts the Jailbroken

PainMeds writes "Apple's stepped-up and controversial rejections are helping to foster competition in the app store marketplace. According to an article by Wired, developers aren't taking AppStore rejection lying down, but are turning to the hacking community's repository system for the iPhone to launch an app store of their own. The 4-month-old Cydia store is yielding notably higher sales for a few application developers than Apple's AppStore, and is reportedly running on over 4 million Apple iPhone devices, with perhaps 350,000 connected at any one time. In this store, developers are distributing applications they've written that push the limits of Apple's normal AppStore policies, with software to add file downloads to Safari, trick applications into thinking they're on Wi-Fi (for VoIP), and enhance other types functionality. You'll also find the popular Google Voice application, which was recently rejected by Apple. Third party application development has been around since 2007, when the iPhone was originally introduced, and became so popular that O'Reilly Media published a book geared toward writing applications before an SDK was available. The Cydia store acts as both a free package repository and commercial storefront to third-party developers."

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  1. Bye Bye Monopoly by GreenTech11 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And there goes Apple's monopoly. I can't say this is a bad thing, it gives users another option, without severely damaging Apple.

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    1. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I jailbroke my iPod touch with fewer than 5 clicks. iPhones/iPods are probably the easiest phones in history (maybe an exaggeration, maybe not) to jailbreak, due to their popularity.

    2. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      need jailbroken iphone

      There's an app for that.

    3. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by solcott · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that you need jailbroken iphone, which wont be so easy for average joe. There wont be final resolution before Apple also learns that restricting so much is a bad decision.

      Out of curiosity, have you even jailbroken an iPhone?

      I'm going to say that for an average Joe, jailbreaking an iPhone is *not* a problem assuming said average Joe both knows how to read and owns a computer with internet access.

      Maybe the "below-average" Joes who have an iPhone, but either do not know how to read or do not have a computer with internet access would have a problem figuring out how to jailbreak, but the truly average ones, they won't have any trouble at all.

    4. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by oahazmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm somewhat inclined to believe the only reason Apple are so hell-bent on denying you service with any carrier of your choosing is due to their exclusive (and soon-up-for-renewal) contract with AT&T. Apple understands that a sold iPhone is a sold iPhone, but AT&T understands that an iPhone on T-Mobile is approximately $90 a month in lost revenue. I would not at all be surprised if AT&T has a clause in the agreement that states Apple must be pro-active in protecting the device from being used on other networks for the duration of the contract.

      I'm also somewhat inclined to believe that should the AT&T exclusive deal come to an end, and the iPhone can be taken to a compatible network of the customer's choosing, the use jailbreaking would decline. I hear far more tales of people who wish to take their iPhones to another carrier rather than download applications that haven't been approved.

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    5. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "I'm somewhat inclined to believe the only reason Apple are so hell-bent on denying you service with any carrier of your choosing is due to their exclusive (and soon-up-for-renewal) contract with AT&T."

      That and their control fetish.

    6. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by EvilIdler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Average Joe won't have trouble doing the jailbreaking thing. They do protest about doing anything that *sounds* complicated. Some people don't *want* to learn anything about computers and electronic devices.

      So Apple's own AppStore is safe because most people are lazy idiots :)

    7. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are confusing Jailbreaking (ability to install non-Apple blessed software) with Unlocking (ability to run on a different carrier's network). The 3rd party apps require only Jailbreaking.

    8. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Tyr_7BE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most people won't do it though. Sure your average college kid or whatever has no problem downloading an app to jailbreak the phone, but joe average on the street doesn't tend to flock towards anything involving firmware modification. They buy a phone, they use the phone, and that's all they do.

    9. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by mini+me · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have you read any comments in the App Store? The average iPhone user has no idea how to read.

    10. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple seems pretty lax, especially compared to other companies, with the OSX86 AND Jailbreaking communities.

      They really only went after Pystar when they tried selling OS X clones. The Hackintosh community is doing pretty well just like the Jailbreaking community. Worst I've seen is a takedown letter for some files, but instructions for OS X on the Mini 9 are still out there.

      Apple seems to be making it 'reasonably' difficult to keep the interested parties (RIAA/MPAA/AT&T) happy, but they really don't make it impossible to do stuff. OS X Client still doesn't have a 16 digit code to enter to install it. They sell a Family pack of 5 licenses for relatively cheap, even though there's no way to actually hard lock it to JUST 5 computers.

    11. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "but if you had the position in Apple to make that decision"

      I see your point. I have stockholders to answer to, as well as being responsible for honoring contractual commitments.

      Even so, I think the RIGHT thing to do, is to announce that Apple will not support jailbroken and/or unlocked telephones. It's cool to only support the thing as it was sold, with proper updates and company approved applications. That is perfectly cool. Using the phone in a manner not approved by Apple voids any and all warranties is cool. (except the battery issue - I don't think Apple can legally drop any liability related to a phone that burns up due to the battery)

      What is NOT COOL, is attempting to block people from jailbreaking and/or unlocking their phone. Nor is it cool to obstruct this competing app store.

      Obligatory automotive analogy: Ford may very well tell you that modifying your car for stock racing voids all warranties, but they can't prohibit you from making said modification, nor can they prohibit you from racing our stock car.

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    12. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Sentax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I kinda disagree. I showed my jailbroken iPhone to one of my computer illiterate friends and he was impressed with the Winterboard themes, said I should show him how, which I agreed, and said the next time I'm at his place I'll show him. Come a few weeks later, I see him and guess what, he jailbroke it himself... So, I think the average Joe's are even getting sick of the Apple restrictions and are willing to stick their head out there a bit to try this cool jailbreaking.

    13. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason why Apple is so lax is because of their past in the homebrew computer club. They realize that "unauthorized" modifications end up with a better system, they can use it as a test.

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    14. Re:Bye Bye Monopoly by analog_line · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not everyone that can jailbreak an iPhone does either.

      Now, a possibly relevant caveat is that I didn't actually go out and buy mine (gift from my Apple-fan father, after I said don't bother giving me one, since I don't care about it) but I honestly don't see the gain in jailbreaking it. I'm not planning on leaving AT&T (they're a hell of a lot better than Sprint in my experience, which gave me nightmares for years. I don't care how good they are rated right this second, they would have to basically hand me a bag of $100 bills for me to sign back up with them at this point). When things go wrong with the phone, I want Apple and/or AT&T to be the ones on the hook for fixing them.

      And frankly, Apple approving all the software in the App store, while slimy doesn't particularly matter to me, because there's no way I'm ever buying any software for any phone, whether it's an iPhone or a Pre or a Blackberry or an Android phone. On top of that, while I certainly don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart, I see no reason at all why I should trust any of these unofficial app stores any more, especially since I have to allow them to do whatever they damn well please with my phone in order to use their "service". Frankly, I think the FCC investigation is possibly the best thing to happen to the iPhone. I figure there's very little chance that Apple will be forced to allow any unsigned code whatsoever to run (which would pretty much mean I sell off the the phone and get one that isn't an invitation to data theft), but a very good chance that the black box in the approval process will be torn apart, some Apple executives embarassed, and some changes made.

  2. Competition? What is that? by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Normally Apple is on a totally different playing field from any competition... Not here, and it will be interesting to see how they deal with this. :) I am betting lawyers and politicians.

  3. The Obvious Truth by geegel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those that hack or pirate always have it better. No DRM, no restrictions on what software you can install, no need for physical media and the list goes on. Being a nice customer simply doesn't pay anymore these days.

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    1. Re:The Obvious Truth by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those that hack or pirate always have it better. No DRM, no restrictions on what software you can install, no need for physical media and the list goes on. Being a nice customer simply doesn't pay anymore these days.

      That should be obvious, yes. Still I see people who defend DRM and I don't understand it. If it were just the occasional one or two I would suspect that perhaps they are astroturfing. It's more than a few so while I have to admit it has some non-zero probability, I really don't think astroturfing is a satisfying explanation. I think plenty of people really feel this way. I apologize in advance for caps, but to them, YOU ARE DEFENDING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AND COULD NEVER BE IN YOUR INTERESTS, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT FOR ANY REASON?! If nothing else, understanding this behavior would be an interesting psychological study.

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    2. Re:The Obvious Truth by Onaga · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not entirely true. Ask the recent defendant who now has to cough up close to $700,000 for his piracy. While being a nice customer might not pay, breaking the law might cost a lot more. Yes, yes, the law might be stupid, but it's still the law.

      To date, I have never been able to get out of a speeding ticket by telling the magistrate that the speed limit should be 65 instead of 55 on that highway.

    3. Re:The Obvious Truth by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not entirely true. Ask the recent defendant who now has to cough up close to $700,000 for his piracy. While being a nice customer might not pay, breaking the law might cost a lot more. Yes, yes, the law might be stupid, but it's still the law.

      To date, I have never been able to get out of a speeding ticket by telling the magistrate that the speed limit should be 65 instead of 55 on that highway.

      In the US that's actually one of the easiest ways to get out of a speeding ticket (a family member of mine just did it, and has done it before). If you can prove that the speed limit on a non-highway should be higher than it is (based on state guidelines for deciding speed limits) and a review of that speed limit hasn't been done in X years (X= 2 or 3, I think), you can get out of the ticket and force the police to collect data on driving habits on that road in order to define a new speed limit.

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    4. Re:The Obvious Truth by Chirs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am against DRM in its current form.

      I am not against DRM implemented properly (i.e. in such a way that it allows for legal exceptions like fair use, satire, copyright termination, companies going under, etc.). However, the chances of that happening are essentially zero.

    5. Re:The Obvious Truth by mini+me · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because they are effectively admitting that they had it wrong

      Perhaps they determined that older vehicles, that are only capable of safely traveling 55MPH, were no longer in use? Road construction isn't the only thing that has changed since the speed limits were previously set.

    6. Re:The Obvious Truth by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, that's part of my point - copyright infringement has been blown out of proportion with bought and paid for legislation by the media companies to push it up to the levels of a felony, with repercussions far exceeding the real damages of the crime.

      The point is though, that is *is* a crime, silly restrictions or not, to share your music that way, and it always has been. Fair use doesn't include burning your collection onto 10,000 CDs and handing them out for free in the street. This is a point that I do agree with the music industry on (shudder). You should be able to use your music on any device you own though, and give it to a friend, or your family, or use it on home movies you've made, or non-commercial stuff and so on.

      While the argument that there's no financial loss to the industry since the files are copied and no physical theft occurs, and the people doing it wouldn't have bought the music anyway is sound, the law about copyright has always existed.

      What's really silly is that you can get a $700,000 fine for doing it. If I went into a shop at night and stole all of their CDs in the back of a van, I would not be facing a $700,000 fine, and that really is causing major financial losses to a business.

    7. Re:The Obvious Truth by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ditto here. I got pulled over and ticketed on an obvious speedtrap-- a State highway (State prescribes 50 MPH) on a straight, perfectly safe, stretch of road. For some "mysterious" reason, the speed limit turns to 35 MPH right before a perfect spot for a cop to hide, then about a half mile down goes back to 55 MPH. Went in front of the judge with some photos of the road, and a citation of the State law, and got off.

  4. It was inevitable by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Software programmers are free thinkers. They don't like being told what to do by a monolithic entity trying to hold all the cards and write all the game's rules.

  5. Isn't it ironic... by 2obvious4u · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That the company trumpeting how 1984 wouldn't be like 1984 was the company to most make it like 1984?

  6. Re:Pros and Cons by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although you can't really blame Apple for denying Google Voice and similar apps

    You can't really blame Comcast for denying access to hulu.com or tnt.com or scifi.com.....

    Just something to think about - the motives for these denials are clear.

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  7. I like the idea with reservations by stokessd · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like the idea of free choice when it comes to what I run on my phone. And I'm in serious need of adblock on the phone (c'mon apple, the 3G pipe is small, I don't want to waste time downloading that crap). But the thing that keeps me from jailbraking my phone is:

    1) primarily it's a phone and it's got to be reliable. I'm not going to do anything to reduce the already marginal reliability of the cell network.

    2) Once jailbroken it's a constant game of cat and mouse when it comes to updates. I don't want to have to research every system patch and update to see when it's ok to use it and how. This goes back to point 1, it's an appliance for me, with extra functionality I can strap on. It's not a cutting edge geeky plaything because that would hose up the core functionality that I need (the phone part)

    So in this regard, I look at android and think that the grass is a bit greener over there. But there's a lot of reasons to stay with the iPhone if you aren't butthurt over someone else telling you what you can do with the shiny.

    Sheldon

  8. Re:all hail... by Chyeld · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Apple - Think Less"

    On the other hand if you peruse an actual list of 'real' Apple slogans, some of them work without any changes.

    "Apple - What kind of man owns his own computer?"

  9. Re:Jailbreaking is where it's at by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Funny

    >>>If you haven't jailbroken yours yet, you haven't lived.

    I suspect it's only a matter of time until this falls into common slang. "That was my girlfriend Emily." "Wow she's cute. Have you jailbroken her yet?" "No but she promised me on the night of the prom she'd let me."

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  10. Re:Pros and Cons by Kozz · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't really blame Comcast for denying access to hulu.com or tnt.com or scifi.com.....

    Don't you mean Siffy? Err, SyFy?

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  11. Google Voice not on Cydia by grahamsaa · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Google Voice app is NOT available on Cydia. GV Mobile (not a Google product) is available, but it doesn't integrate well with the iPhone's contact list. GV mobile is a far cry from any native app that Google would have released for the iPhone.

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  12. Wrong mod. by ElSupreme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whoops accidently modded the wrong thing.

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  13. Why Jailbreak? Here's why by blahbooboo · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://thebigboss.org/why-jailbreak-iphone/

    The apps interfaces are so amazing compared to the boring vanilla apps. check qtwitter or sbsettings for examples.

  14. Re:Jobs doesn't understand history . . . . by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple did open their platform to clones. It very nearly killed them completely. Apple are a hardware company.

    Apple is making an *enormous* amount of money with their hardware and software in its current configuration, and I believe is very high up the charts on total number of machines shipped. They are very clearly not dying. In fact, their marketshare in terms of computers and phones, and portable music players is going up, year on year.

    A hackable iPod/iPhone is a niche market. The slashdot audience really isn't the primary target audience. If you want a hackable smartphone, there's Android. If you just want a flashy smartphone with the internet, street cred, a camera, games, and tons of apps of varying usefulness (from things that make your phone into a flashlight and make silly noises, right up to high quality games, task manager apps and sat nav) then the iPhone is for you.

    Not that I'm saying the Android lacks street cred, but the iPhone really made smartphones cool. Blackberrys were around, and were pretty popular, but when the iPhone came out - boom. And now we have a huge slew of competitors who are releasing phones that look just like an iPhone. Funny that!

    The platform is very transparent up front - ie, you know it is locked to AT&T, you know the app system is tightly controlled by Apple, you know the hardware is tightly controlled. None of this is hidden. If you want a hackable phone, it is yelling at you right out that it's not the purchase for you.

  15. Re:Good For Them! by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like your beef is with the phone companies - and rightly so.

    I think Apple would love to sell you an iPhone that works on any carrier. They would make more money - there is very clearly a market for people who want one but don't want AT&T, just as there is in the UK for people who don;t want to use O2. Unfortunately, they just can't do that right now and are obligated to try to keep you from unlocking it to change networks (even though they know its fruitess since jailbreaking is trivial, they are contractually obliged to try to stop you).

    The same process happened with the iTunes store. They didn't want to sell DRM'ed music tracks - customers don't like it, but it was the only way they could do so at first. Now it has changed somewhat and DRM-free music is available for sale, but it's still not Apple's content, so they are selling it based on an agreement with the actual owners.

    I'm sure that if the exclusive deal is not renewed with AT&T (or another carrier makes a better offer) that the locking will change. It is an artificial barrier that exists solely to further the business model of AT&T - it's not Apple's decision. The VOIP and tethering is AT&T again (didn;t you hear the very thinly veiled digs at AT&T during the WWDC keynote - it is clear that Apple are not happy with them and don;t mind publicly hinting at it with huge comedy wink-winks).

    The consumer pressure is good though - it;s the only serious way to get companies to change things that are not necessarily in their obvious interest (like DRM on music, or tethering, or the dropping of firewire from the cheapest Macbook). Apple reverted that change in response to customer complaints - I expect they are trying to negotiate with AT&T about some of the nasty restrictions on the iPhone.

  16. I have a simple question... by diamondsw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...how hard is a jailbroken device to maintain over time? I understand the initial process is fairly simple, but with most hacks maintenance and keeping it hacked can be difficult (witness hackintoshes when OS updates come out, Tivos when the kernel is updated, etc). Can anyone comment on how hard it would be for an "average user" to not only set this up, but keep it running over time?

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    1. Re:I have a simple question... by DaFallus · · Score: 4, Informative
      It isn't too difficult. This is my routine whenever a new update comes out:
      1. Download AptBackup and Chronus through Cydia. AptBackup makes a list of all the packages you've installed through Cydia and Chronus can be used to backup things like your SMS messages, program settings, and documents. Set these up how you like and choose what you would like to back up
      2. (Optional) Download and install SharePod to ensure that all the music on your phone is also backed up on your computer
      3. Backup your phone through iTunes. This will backup your package list created by AptBackup as well as a number of other settings and your contact list
      4. Install the update (which will remove your jailbroken programs and data)
      5. Re-jailbreak
      6. Restore from iTunes backup.
      7. Download AptBackup/Chronus again and restore

      Maybe not the simplest or quickest solution, but this has worked pretty well for me. I find the actual update installation and jailbreak to be the most time consuming steps.

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    2. Re:I have a simple question... by ernst_mulder · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you install a lot of non-Apple stuff you have to know how to use ssh/scp/rsync if you want to keep all your non-Apple-application data over upgrades. I usually make a rsync backup of my phone before I upgrade so that I can rsync stuff back afterwards. Keeping your packages is reatively easy, just list the ones you installed before upgrading (dbkg -l) and use apt-get to re-install them after upgrading. With the latest Cydia incarnation you have to use Cydia's GUI app to install apt-get after you upgrade. The average user would probably just use Cydia's GUI to install the three or so Cydia apps that got lost during the upgrade. And please change your ssh password (default = well known = alpine) if you leave ssh on. For both users (mobile, root).