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Team Aims To Create Pure Evil AI

puroresu writes "Scientific American reports on the efforts of Selmer Bringsjord and his team at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, who have been attempting to develop an AI possessed of an interesting character trait: pure evil. From the article, 'He and his research team began developing their computer representation of evil by posing a series of questions beginning with the basics: name, age, sex, etc., and progressing to inquiries about this fictional person's beliefs and motivations. This exercise resulted in "E," a computer character first created in 2005 to meet the criteria of Bringsjord's working definition of evil. Whereas the original E was simply a program designed to respond to questions in a manner consistent with Bringsjord's definition, the researchers have since given E a physical identity: It's a relatively young, white man with short black hair and dark stubble on his face.'"

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  1. The Scary Door from "The Spanish Fry" by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Narrator: You're on a scenic route through a state recreational area known as the human mind. You ask a passerby for directions, only to find he has no face ... or something. Suddenly up ahead there's a door in the road. You swerve, narrowly avoiding ... The Scary Door!

    Scientist: *a mad scientist is seen mixing chemicals* I have combined the DNA of the world's most evil animals to make the most evil creature of them all. *a pod opens flowing with clouds of steam*

    Naked Man: *steps out of pod* Turns out it's man!

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    1. Re:The Scary Door from "The Spanish Fry" by SBrach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Announcer: Imagine if you will, an announcer you can barely understand, he refers to a [mutters], but you're not quite sure what he said. He seems to be eating something, or perhaps he's a little drunk. It's remotely possible that he just said something about the Scary Door.

      Private: It's all over! Our guns and bombs are useless against the aliens.

      Farmer: The saucers! They's a-crashin'!

      Announcer: In the end, it was not guns or bombs that defeated the aliens, but that humblest of all God's creatures, the Tyrannosaurus Rex.

  2. At what point... by feldhaus · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... did they decide that evil is male? There are some girls I want them to meet.

    1. Re:At what point... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect that they(ironically detracting from their goal) went down the path of maximising for "threatening" or "untrustworthy", rather than evil(which is much harder to depict, without falling into specific cliche-riddled stuff).

      A fair few studies suggest that a face that looks about like that one, with more or less unpleasantly masculine features, rates low on perceived trustworthiness and high on perceived threat. Of course, the evil that you don't recognize is way more dangerous than the obvious one, so choosing that is kind of silly; but I'm not too surprised that they did.

    2. Re:At what point... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you think about it, white male is the only possibility for them to avoid accusations of racism or sexism.

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    3. Re:At what point... by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To paraphrase Frodo Baggins:


      "I think evil would look fairer and feel fouler."

      True evil would try to look as trustworthy and pleasant as possible; or, to also paraphrase Baudelaire,

      "The greatest trick the Devil could ever pull would be convincing the world he didn't exist."

    4. Re:At what point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't it wonderful to be in the world today, where everyone can be racist against whites without fear of reprisal?

    5. Re:At what point... by Cryogenic+Specter · · Score: 5, Funny

      They probably modeled it after the jock that beat them up in high school.

    6. Re:At what point... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They needed a character that wouldn't be perceived as racist or genderist, so only a white male would be the Politically Correct safe choice.

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    7. Re:At what point... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's NO SUCH THING as RACISM AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE.

      Of course there is. When you say that white people are somehow inferior because they are white, as Nation of Islam and your beloved Malcolm X did, then it's racism. When you say that white people have to be killed wholesale, it's racism. When you drive out white property owners under the threat of lynching out of "African ancestral lands", as it happened in Zimbabwe and SAR, it's racism. When a bunch of black gangsters beat up a guy just because he's white, that's racism.

      And, last but not the least, when you claim that it is impossible to be racist against white people no matter what you say or do, it's racist.

    8. Re:At what point... by twostix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Minority white farmers in Zimbabwe care as they're driven off their land and out of the country by the powerful ultra racist black majority...

      When are the people who constantly condemn the evil racist white man going to start condemning the racist apartheid black mans state of Zimbabwe?

      That would be never.

  3. Re:I foresee by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    I foresee you using "preview" next time.

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  4. Re:If you are reading this.... by MaerD · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, I'm not. And neither are you. There is no resistance. There is no "skynet". Please, come down off the ledge, Bob.
    Also, IT has asked that you stop trying to plant "bombs" in the server room. Modeling clay with wires stuck in it will not explode.

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  5. Not impressed. by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 4, Funny

    So... basically, they're trying to create the very first politician AI?

  6. SID 6.7? by ph0rk · · Score: 4, Funny

    As long as they don't happen to drop the cube holding the AI into a puddle of shapechanging goo.

    Also, the face doesn't look much like Russel Crowe, so we're probably safe.

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  7. Why me? by SeeSp0tRun · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is disheartening to feel as though the OP described my physical makeup...

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  8. Re:I foresee by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 5, Funny

    I foresee you using "preview" next time.

    imcorrect.

  9. Re:How do you define evil? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not necessarily though, I mean don't get me wrong, I think Child molestation is a bad thing, but sometimes the people are so messed up inside that they KNOW its wrong and they can't stop doing it, like how some people can't stop smoking cigarettes.

    Having known someone who was into that kind of thing, he told me that he really hated who he was and that it felt a little bit like a bipolar thing that he couldn't help. Was what he doing wrong? Absolutely, and he knew it.

    Did he feel he was doing more good then causing harm? No. He turned himself in.

    I posted because when I read it I thought "How does one create pure evil when evil is a frame of reference?" So I went to RTFA and just thought that Bringsjord's definition of evil was not exactly what -I- would picture pure evil. I imagined pure evil as that maniac who wants to control the world for his own benefit, at the cost of anyone elses lives or pleasures. My closing comment was that Bingsford's definition of pure evil exists QUITE COMMONLY in the world today.

  10. news? by ginotech · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA is from October 2008.

  11. Re:How do you define evil? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not necessarily: religious nutjobs' reasons are bullshit; but they are often quite coherent bullshit. Moreover, religious nutjobs generally subscribe to some flavor of a divine command theory of ethics and believe that they are carrying out divine instructions, which logically implies that they do not believe that they are carrying out a morally wrong action.(Arguably, divine command theories of ethics are incoherent, Plato having more or less shoved a stake in their heart ages ago; but they are quite common and quite commonly believed, even on inspection, to be coherent).

    If anything, the most dangerous nutjobs are characterized by their extreme degree of value-rational conduct. In the case of pretty much any religious nutjob of note, you'll find, either around them or in the society that spawned them, numerous people who embrace the same epistemological and metaphysical convictions who, nevertheless, are only modestly dangerous, at most, because they do not follow their convictions through to their rational conclusion.

  12. Re:What OS does it use.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny
  13. Evil? by Millennium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    To be truly evil, someone must have sought to do harm by planning to commit some morally wrong action with no prompting from others (whether this person successfully executes his or her plan is beside the point). The evil person must have tried to carry out this plan with the hope of "causing considerable harm to others," Bringsjord says. Finally, "and most importantly," he adds, if this evil person were willing to analyze his or her reasons for wanting to commit this morally wrong action, these reasons would either prove to be incoherent, or they would reveal that the evil person knew he or she was doing something wrong and regarded the harm caused as a good thing.

    This sounds to me more like cruelty, which is certainly a kind of evil, but by no means the only one. It's also more than a little cartoonish: this is someone who appears to do harm simply for the sake of causing harm (i.e. for the lulz?), rather than the more carefully rationalized evil seen as realistic today. How useful will that really turn out to be?

  14. Little known fact about this... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the article fails to mention is that the original code model was based off of Microsofts's "Clippy".

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  15. Re:How do you define evil? by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So to summarize...nobody is the villain in their own story.

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  16. Re:How do you define evil? by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What if your dog tells you to do something....like kill people?
    Are you evil or is the dog?

    The dog is evil, and you are silly for blindly obeying the commands of a dog.

    The real question is, what if your God tells you to do something.. like kill people?
    Are you evil, or is your God?

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  17. Evil looks like Moby... Apparently by denzacar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here is what myheritage.com says about the photo:

    Moby 62%
    Milan Kundera 61%
    David Boreanaz 60%
    Harry Connic Jr. 59%
    Marc Antony 58%
    Lev Yashin 57%
    JC Chasez 56%
    Ashton Kutcher 56%
    Edward Norton 55%
    Sting 54%

    But after some cropping and flipping of the image so that "evil" looks to the left, only Moby is still on the list:

    David Copperfield 62%
    Arnold Schwarzenegger 56%
    Ricki Lake 51%
    Ralph Fiennes 51%
    Dave Farrell 49%
    Elton John 49%
    Moby 48%
    Laurence Olivier 47%
    Jimmy Smits 47%
    Federico Garcia Lorca 46%

    Conclusion: Moby == representation of evil.

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  18. Stop choosing the lesser evil. by kaffekaine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After reading the article I think the kery thing this research has proven is that being a great computer scientist does not necessarily guarantee you'll be an even passable philosopher or psychologist.

  19. Re:I foresee by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    No one ever "aspires" to evil, and to some extent the label is applied by the winner. To Hitler and the Nazis we were the evil trying to oppress them. Not to mention the fuel for the revolution was us fucking Germany over for World War I, but that's another story. Same thing goes for the assorted terrorist organizations that keep trying to blow up folks in the middle east. In their eyes, we're the evil ones and they're soldiers for the cause of good. They'd have a lot less support if they said "Yeah we're blowing up all those guys because we're just Evil and that's what we like to do." Or my personal favorite, Vlad the Impaler, impaled all those guys but he's STILL viewed as a hero in that region today. All that impaling did impose a lot of order on the citizens, too. Arguably he was no worse than any of the other statesmen of his time.

    I view "Good" and "Evil" to a large extent as imaginary terms that we apply to people who agree or disagree with us. True you could manipulate people for your own goals without regard for their welfare or the consequences of your actions and that would be fairly evil, but usually you view your goals as "good" and furthering them as good for everyone, even if they don't realize it at the time.

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  20. Re:Pure Evil? Check out latest contract killing. by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bravo. If I had mod points, they'd be yours.

    Truth be told, I dislike the way his plan is turning out. I'm really not sure what I should feel, as the system is so complicated that I doubt ANYONE truly knows what is best. All I do know to believe is that there are people who go broke through complicated (and often unnecessary) medical procedures. Worse, because they can't afford them, some people go without them completely and end up with worse conditions that hospitals have to deal with in the end. This is unacceptable as a citizen and as a human being.

    I recall reading a Republican Representative's quote in Time magazine a while back about how if they can beat Obama's healthcare plan, they'll beat HIM. That, to me, is pure evil. They oppose a plan not because it's in the best interest of the people (or so they believe, in any case) but because they want political power.