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Communication Lost With Indian Moon Satellite

stoolpigeon writes "All communication links with the only Indian satellite orbiting the Moon have been lost, India's space agency says. Radio contact with the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft was lost abruptly early on Saturday, said India's Bangalore-based Space Research Organization (ISRO)."

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  1. obligatory comment by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... Are they sure that was a moon?

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    1. Re:obligatory comment by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Funny

      scratches head I'm trying to figure out how the first comment to the story could be "redundant". Hey, moderator who did that: You're a moron. Also, you will never have enough mod points to defeat me. nyaaaah. -_- Okay... my childish needs are satisfied for the afternoon.

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    2. Re:obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would explain why he can't draw for shit.

  2. Clearly... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 5, Funny

    They must have asked it something that wasn't on the script!

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    1. Re:Clearly... by russlar · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's no call centre, that's the Moon!

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    2. Re:Clearly... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Funny

      I dunno. Maybe they just need to call tech support....

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  3. rfc1149 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    shortly before contact was lost the system was upgraded to be rfc1149 compliant

  4. Hopefully... by Sawopox · · Score: 2, Informative

    They will at least find out what happened. The more efficient space agencies we have exploring, the better overall for the planet.

    Makes the game more fun.

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    1. Re:Hopefully... by vu2lid · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am quoting from a local language news paper ( http://www.keralakaumudi.com/ ) from India:

      Preliminary analysis shows that Chandrayan likely failed due to inadequate heat shielding (problem was radiated heat from the Moon) causing some of the instruments to fail (like Star Sensor). They raised the orbit to around 200km (from the initial 100km) to save the mission and it did not help much.

      According to the report Chandrayan was successful in completing 95 percent of the mission objectives. The reports also said that they (ISRO) are going ahead with the next moon mission.

  5. Bollywood's Apollo 13 by moon3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey India, maned mission next time around, show us some drama.

    1. Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Maned" mission, eh? Are they sending lions into space to orbit the moon now?

    2. Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      MIssion control has quickly invested the rest of their budget in a Bollywood-made lunar landing.

    3. Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's just a pause before it breaks out in song and dance...

      Bollywood.

  6. Go India! by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before this thread fills up completely with cynical wisecracking Americans, let me be the first to say, as a cynical wisecracking American, go India!

    Seriously. You guys have a very solid set of rockets, a good broad focus (China's too focused on manned missions), and the technical skills to make it happen.

    See you at Jupiter someday!

    1. Re:Go India! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But do not attempt landing on Europa.

    2. Re:Go India! by quarterbuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole mission cost only $75 million, about 7 times the Ansari X-Prize (still considerably bigger than Google Lunar X-Prize though). That's pretty cheap for a full moonshot and satellite. So I guess India can afford to lose a few satellites here and there.
      Last month they had a malfunction and pulled the satellite up from a 100km orbit to a 200 km one , so the images are of lower quality than planned. I am guessing there will be another moonshot now, considering they just started calling this the "Chandrayan-1" instead of "Chandrayan" with no numbers next to it.

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    3. Re:Go India! by dangle · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's an interesting (for many reasons) video on the Chandrayaan site:

      http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/resources_videoCrater.htm

      In it, they allude to India as having the second highest number of scientists in the world.

      Overall, a successful mission, given the difficulty and chance of failure (Item 20 in their FAQ):

      http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/faqs.htm

    4. Re:Go India! by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Before this thread fills up completely with cynical wisecracking Americans, let me be the first to say, as a cynical wisecracking American, go India!

      Seriously. You guys have a very solid set of rockets, a good broad focus (China's too focused on manned missions), and the technical skills to make it happen.

      Also, I found it a little strange that the BBC article didn't mention this, but the Chandrayaan-1 had already been in successful operation for 312 days and had completed all of its primary mission goals. It had already collected plenty of scientific data, distributed to not just Indian scientists but also collaborators in Europe and the US. Of course, another year would be nice, but I'd consider the project a stunning success by just about any reasonable definition, especially since it was India's first ever lunar probe.

      I look forward to India's Chandrayaan-2, which is planned to land a robotic rover on the Moon in 2012.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-1#Completion_of_primary_objectives

    5. Re:Go India! by winwar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "What's strange about the Western media ignoring the enormous positive achievements of anyone..."

      There. Fixed it for you.

      News: We did it, allies did it (maybe), perceived threat did it (China, Russia, etc.)

      Not News: Pretty much anybody else.

  7. So they called tech support... by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 4, Funny

    OPERATOR: Hello, my name is Prakesh Vijay Chandrashekar Subrayaman, but please call me "Bob." What seems to be the problem today?

    MISSION CONTROL: We've lost communications with our lunar satellite.

    "BOB": I see. Well, have you tried rebooting the system?

    MC: There is no system to reboot. It's a satellite, not a PC!

    "BOB": I see. Well, have you checked to see if the power cord is plugged into the device?

    MC: Are you not listening? There is no power cord, it's a *satellite*.

    "BOB": I see. Well, sir, I'll need you to find the original CD-ROM that came with the satellite and put it into the CD-ROM drive, the turn the power off, then turn it back on again.

    MC: OK, this is getting ridiculous, "Bob". I thought this was the satellite technical support line. Do you know anything about *satellites*?

    "BOB": I see. Well, let me see what I can do. Can I place you on hold for four or five hours?

    MC: -- click --

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    1. Re:So they called tech support... by 1s44c · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sir, are completely out of touch with tech support scripts.

      You say that like it's a bad thing.

      Now go and unplug your dam satellite and hold the reset button down whilst plugging it in.

    2. Re:So they called tech support... by CheeseTroll · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's Mission Control's fault, for calling the Toshiba Satellite tech support number.

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  8. data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid decel by Locutus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Could it be that the last few seconds of data shows no sign of altitude loss and rapid deceleration?
    Maybe it ran into a rather large, mostly colorless, and smooth monolith.

    LoB

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  9. reboot ? by georgeav · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have they tried turning it off and on again?

    1. Re:reboot ? by lxt518052 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Watchdog.

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    2. Re:reboot ? by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      For the uninformed:

      When the Soviets launched Sputnik 2 a small dog was on board. The dog had been trained to monitor the primitive electronics on board. Unfortunately the dog was not that good at monitoring the life support equipment and died of suffocation. The idea lived on though but now we use monkeys. They tend to be a little smarter and they can turn dials in addition to pushing buttons. Most commercial satellites now launch with monkeys aboard.

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    3. Re:reboot ? by F�an�ro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When the Soviets launched Sputnik 2 a small dog was on board. The dog had been trained to monitor the primitive electronics on board. Unfortunately the dog was not that good at monitoring the life support equipment and died of suffocation. The idea lived on though but now we use monkeys. They tend to be a little smarter and they can turn dials in addition to pushing buttons. Most commercial satellites now launch with monkeys aboard.

      Excellent bullshit. I'd give it a 4.7

  10. The world is not okay by brusk · · Score: 2, Funny

    2009 was the year the Indian lunar satellite went out of control.

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  11. Re:Aliens... by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suppose they could have a mobile base that continually moves so as to always stay on the dark side, but wouldn't it make more sense to just put it on the far side and leave it there?

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  12. Re:data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid dece by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blessed Ganesha, it's full of cows!

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  13. Please do the needful! by Random+Q.+Hacker · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the needful had been done, this would not have happened.

    1. Re:Please do the needful! by panthrkub · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Link to another forum- same topic by Advocatus+Diaboli · · Score: 3, Informative

    A more detailed discussion - from the Indian viewpoint. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4395&start=1440

  15. Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult by QuoteMstr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Orbiting the moon is a lot harder than orbiting the earth. The moon's gravitational field is exceptionally lumpy because of concentrations of mass beneath the surface. If not actively corrected for, these mass concentrations will make a satellite's orbit go through increasingly violent gyrations until it eventually intersects with the surface.

    I wonder if this is what happened to the Indian probe.

    1. Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult by RocketRocketship · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While that sounds pretty good, I'm fairly certain from a logical standpoint the odds of impacting the moon are as good or worse than the odds of leaving orbit and flying out into space. (Especially with the low gravity levels of the moon.)

      I'm less than certain. Intersecting with the Moon would only require changes in ellipticity, whereas causing the satellite to become unbound would require a considerable increase in the satellite's kinetic energy.

    2. Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult by Buelldozer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No.

      The lumps of heavier density inside the moon caused localized areas of increased gravity which tries to pull the satellite down. There is no force, except that provided by any motors on board the satellite, that would sent it out towards space.

      What school of logic do you claim as an Alma Mata?

  16. Re:Was the satellite outsourced for design and bui by Quothz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've met a number of Indian 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that India doesn't actually suck at tech. In fact, they are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that they are pushing so much of their populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.

    I've met a number of 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that people don't actually suck at tech. In fact, some are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that society is pushing so much of the populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.

  17. Sigh by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wish that ppl would stop trying to assign DOLLAR figures to China, Indian, or any other country that ties their money to a certain money. Saying that it cost 75 million is plain wrong (most estimates in India show it to be in the $90-95 million). Right now, the Rupee is FORCED by India to trade at 48 rupee to a dollar. According to most economist, it should be around half of that, or possibly less (more difficult to pin this down, than say the Chinese games with Yuans). As such, the missions is around $150-200 million. But, that is STILL not the full truth. The majority of expensive instruments on the sat are from different countries. Basically, the LAUNCH is what costs about $100-150 million, with the sat being less than $50 million. And at a 100 million per launch, they are on par with America, Russia, and EU.

    I am not trying to belittle their efforts. In fact, far from it. I applaud them and hope that we will bring them into the ISS down the road. BUT, I still prefer that ppl are honest about what is going on.

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  18. Re:data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid dece by drspliff · · Score: 2, Funny

    Enjoyed reading post, A++++ slashdotter, would read again.

  19. Re:Japan by SL+Baur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I barely remember as a kid, folks used to make fun of Japanese made stuff.

    Yeah, and after mastering the art of kaizen (and retooling after the war), nobody was laughing at "Made in Japan" any more.

    India has refused to cripple themselves with c(r)ap and trade.

    I know of at least two folks I mentored at work in the mid 1980s who are now university professors. I'm following my job to India, and I'll take up the role I've always taken up and be tutoring as many people as I can. I already have a "conspiracy" set up with a (very) bright programmer in Bangalore to tutor as many coworkers as we can.

    India will not always be considered backwards and disrespected. I think that's a good thing. Competition Is Good.

  20. Wtf BBC? Seriously? by baboonlogic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some critics regard the space programme as a waste of resources in a country where millions still lack basic services.

    Seriously BBC... wtf is up with that? India is a trillion dollar economy and this was 75 million usd project. Can I say chump change? For some context, India recently announced a really stupid 30 billion usd national id scheme. While reporting that, you did not care to mention India's millions that lack basic services. Why do you hate India and real scientific progress so much?

  21. Re:Wtf BBC? Seriously? by jchandra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some critics regard BBC as a waste of resources in a country where millions lack basic services.

    India may be lying in the gutter, but at least they are looking up, and working hard on getting out.

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  22. Re:Wtf BBC? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imho, "some critics" is pretty weak. You will always find "some critics" to criticize almost anything. When reporters chooses to put them in the report, they are betraying their own opinions and biases or at least saying that the criticism is legit.

  23. Re:data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid dece by thrawn_aj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Blessed Ganesha, it's full of cows!

    Nicely done (and in good taste too :)). Pity you're all alone in a sea of mediocre pseudo-wits :(.

    I'm not offended as an Indian (by the over-abused and lame tech support jokes that litter the desolate landscape of this thread); I'm offended as a connoisseur of good comedy . Seriously dudes (who-probably-lost-their-jobs-to-outsourcing-and-are-surprisingly-hard-to-feel-sympathy-for-at-this-particular-moment), that meme is about as funny as the one about Soviet Russia or even *shudder* sharks with lasers. It is scary that Fark is so much better at meme-based humor than the supposedly godlike nerds that inhabit this realm.

  24. Congrats India! by herojig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What an achievement for a country where you can't use your credit card in most places, and where Banks don't even have reliable phone service. Reminds of the time I enfielded from Delhi to Gaya and in the middle of a tea stop a white-robed local came up to me shouting angrily in Hindi and broken English, "India is Great! India is Great!" I responded by buying him a cup, and that seemed to calm him down after I halfheartedly agreed with him, but now I wish now I had the stats on Chandrayaan-1 and perhaps some print outs of the photos sent back. Congrats to the Bangalore team!

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