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Opera 10.0 Released
neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."
They might not have announced it, but if i click "check for updates", i get that version 10.0 is available...
It is a joke of a browser. Just use the industry standard: Internet Explorer. It's fast and extremely secure.
But does it run on Linux?
It was released for all Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
Opera has always been my favourite browser. It has pretty much everything packed in that you want and need, and still its really lightweight and smooth. Even firefox doesn't get close, a lot of times it feels quite non-smooth. Responsiveness from the GUI and things like scrolling does *a lot*. And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers. Mouse gestures, speed dial, advanced browsers on Wii/Mobile phones etc.
The old "Next" page also has been updated with little bit of information about 10.10, which will include Opera Unite. So its not included in this version yet.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
Opera 10 final was announced on twitter over 6 hours ago. http://twitter.com/opera
Am I the only one who realizes that the #/100 on the ACID3 test is not the number of tests completed and that it isn't a score? It should be the number of tests -started-. Like the ACID1 and ACID2 tests, it's either correct or it isn't.
You can see teh speed tests in an Opera article over at ARS. Look how slooooooooow IE 8 is.
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Usually the versions used lags a little behind the desktop version, as a desktop version can allow to use more CPU and memory. No idea if 10.0 is in any mobile versions yet (perhaps Opera Mini is). When I worked there, the Opera 9 code base was starting to get into a lot of mobile projects.
I never tried 9 but I just installed 10 and it's running Slashdot beautifully! I hate to admit it, but it's certainly faster than my Firefox. If it only ran XMarks...
I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share... I have been using Opera as my main browser for about 2 years, and I believe that once you get used to it you can never go back..
Ex-Opera employee here: Yes, the same code base is used for mobile and device versions of Opera.
How is that possible? Opera Mini, for example, is a MIDP 2.0 (Java 2 Micro Edition) application, while the desktop Opera appears to be C/C++. I suppose that Windows Mobile edition of Opera Mobile shares code with the desktop Opera browser (which is already coded to the Win32 API), but the Opera Mobile for the Symbian phones would almost certainly have to be Java, right?
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Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
My example: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/
The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.
Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."
I'm sure both Opera users are ecstatic ;)
I don't like it much, but I use it on a daily basis, because it is so light on system resources. (Firefox tends to bring this near obsolete POS win2000 system I have to use at work to it's knees, and IE6 well... let's not go there.)
You can still reuse things like rendering engine and most of the system. Remember that Opera is also available for Mac OS and Linux and they obviously aren't using Win32 API there.
That is why he said code base, and that it lags behind because you obviously have to port some things.
I hate using browsers without adblock/noscript. Are there equivalents for Opera?
Can anything??
Apparently they figured the release was important enough for a full-blown trailer as well ;-)
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1) You can change that behaviour in preferences.
Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs
When closing a tab
- Activate the last active tab
- Activate the next tab
- Activate first tab opened from current tab
Personally I really prefer to go back to last active tab - it speeds up things a lot, atleast for me.
2) You could try emptying cache on exit always
Preferences -> Advanced -> History -> Empty on exit
On same page is always Check if document is updated on server, where I have "Always" and I think they do update when I start Opera.
Opera Mini is just a thin application. The actual "browser", or the engine, runs on a server.
Nope. They use the same engine (the biggest and most complex part of a browser), but not necessarily the same UI.
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And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers.
While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
When Opera wasn't free, people could easily crack it, Opera was a lot faster on dialup connections (because it rendered pages immediately instead of waiting for them to load completely), it had caching that was actually useful and didn't need a lot of system resouces. So installing a "free" browser resulted in faster and cheaper internet. The latest Opera versions are installed because people remember how fast it was. It's still a great browser, and if other browsers aren't a lot better then why bother migrating?
Opera Mini seems to repeat the same success story, GPRS/EDGE internet is slow and pretty expensive in CIS (around $0.15-$0.20 per megabyte), and because Opera Mini compresses reduces the pages' size by 5-20 times, it's even used on devices with "real" browsers.
Oh yes, there are equivalents. Also, Opera has NoScript built in, in the form of site specific settings.
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While Opera is indeed also quite fast in those benchmarks, I believe what OP was talking about is overall feel when using it, and how heavy treatment it can stand gracefully. It's far beyond any other browser in that regard (and yeah, I like that aspect of it a lot).
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But does it run on Linux?
It runs on these OSs:
You can also see specialized versions for your distro of choice on their site
Actually the only thing Opera still kind of needs is as good ad blocker as adblock. While it does have its feature for blocking content, it doesn't have lists and it doesn't always work as good. I know you could find lists for it and put them in the config files, but it's not as comfortable and still doesn't work as good.
Thats why I've always used Ad Muncher tho, it does the ad blocking perfectly (and not just in Opera, but all browsers). But Opera should really fine tune their ad blocking features. Otherwise there's no really features I can come up thats missing in Opera.
It's obvious why this is moded troll, however i believe you have a point.
Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
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Hey it's my web browser. What I filter with it is my own business. For that matter, my choice of user-agent string is my business as well.
Stick to spamming IE users and illiterates. It's more profitable and less annoying to those who might threaten your existence.
Sorry to disappoint you, but V8, Carakan, etc. are for nothing but bragging rights these days. Someone did an analysis. About 10% at most of CPU cycles were taken up by JavaScript even on sites like Gmail. The real performance gains on real sites today are not JavaScript at all.
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Some ad servers are deliberately made incompatible with Firefox with Adblock installed, sometimes resulting in javascript alerts, sometimes the page never stops loading because it seems to be trying reloading the banner ad until it succeeds (or perhaps doing some tricky onload callback, I'm not sure). Opera's ad blocker is mostly immune to these tricks, and blocking lists can be easily downloaded from third-party sites. I think what Opera needs more is Flashblock, because pages that suddenly make sounds or start downloading HD videos without asking are disgusting.
Opera has had the ability to block ads and other content for as long as I can remember, long before Firefox itself even existed. All that is required is for one to install a simple .ini file into Opera's user profile directory. The file must be updated manually, but it is simple enough to write a script to automatically download the new file every so often. It may not be as powerful or user-friendly as AdBlock Plus, but it works, and works well.
What browser doesnt have problems rendering slashdot?
Really... I'd like to know. Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer all have issues.
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I have been using Opera since Opera version 4 ish - still prefer it above all others and have tried all the rest, but it is still faster, better layout, and more customizable to my taste than any other option. It also wins completely on GUI speed, and on keyboard navigation.
Just started with 10 now, and Opera still has it.
When I do web development, and want "inspect this" element and a browse-able dom tree - I use Firefox. To do layout checking and rendering checking, we fire up both Safari and IE. But for day to day, with 20-50 tabs open, browsing around... Opera is the one that works best.
ALREADY one new feature I LOVE: inline spell checking while I write! (This was one thing I wanted but it took a while for Opera to catch up to FF, and had to add a JavaScript user-side spell checker.)
Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.
But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )
There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma
It really is unfortunate that Nintendo said no to tabs on the Wii. I use a page that simulates tabs to have a few pages open at once (they are just loaded into iframes with tabs that switch between them). The machine starts to chug real bad at 3 tabs if they all have flash or 6 tabs if they don't. I think a browser would have to be built from the ground up for the Wii for it to really feel good and useful (although I do actually enjoy browsing on the Wii).
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"It" being some version of Opera.
To put the list into perspective a bit, lets take a look at the versions of Opera that run on some of these systems:
QNX: Opera 6.01b (which is a beta release). The last stable version for QNX is Opera 5.2.1.
OS/2: Opera 5.12.
BeOS: 3.62.
I somehow don't get to see any other releases. The server probably thinks I have one of the above systems (I have BeOS, but I still should be able to download Opera for any system I want to).
The BeOS version is unusable on the web today. It was only marginally useful when it was still new.
I don't know about the other two, but the story is probably somewhat similar.
Recent versions have become increasingly brittle. In the "final" version (at least for linux), it's got a showstopper bug that causes it to spin in a loop anytime the cpu gets busy, causing it to eat up even more cpu time. This is nowhere near ready for release.
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So ... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?
Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' list as a starter.
And, if you really want to be pedantic, there's always the option of using Google to find what you're looking for. There seems to be quite few attempts at recreating Adblock:
Tamil's My.Opera blog
OperaWiki.info has some suggestions
Lex1's blog on My.Opera also has some ideas
There's even a Flashblock for Opera
Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".
Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.
Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Firstly, Opera Software is a Norwegian corporation. It would be Norwegian laws and court that would apply, not US ones. :)
Secondly, theres really no law against "interfering with other people's income". All the other ad blocker software would get sued then. Hell, virus writers and criminals could sue you and police because they're interfering with their income
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Opera's way however is different than Firefox. They like to build all the features natively in. And its great because I dont have to go hunt for every random addon that might be sub-standard; everything you need is build in (and hence doesn't take resources as much either) and is consistent in both quality and in usage.
Someone's made a flash blocker for Opera using just user stylesheets and javascript. I've used it for Opera 9 and works well for me--haven't tried 10 yet.
And besides that Opera is also the most slashdot oriented browser. Just type /. to address bar and off you go to slashdot.
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income?
Huh? This doesn't even make sense. Please provide any statutory or case law that even remotely would back one bringing such a frivolous lawsuit.
Yeah, I know what you mean; I don't like it either but it's the only thing I use and I still can't get enough of it.
I use Opera under Ubuntu and increasingly more ads are slipping through and are impervious to the Block Content... method. Digg is probably the worst site about this.
Oops - I mentioned Digg on Slashdot; there goes all my Karma.
So am I. The quoted 10% number is meaningless if, for instance, the cpu consumption shot to 100% for a second after every mouse click, and sat at 1% at all other times. It might average to 10%, but still feel hideously slow.
What issues printing? Last time I checked, Opera was the only major browser to correctly handle the pagination-related CSS directives.
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Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
Hmm, I believe this has something to do with "open source" values vs. "free software" values. The open source movement tries to convey the message, that open source produces better quality software. Since it's only the quality of the software that matters, "open source fans" are more likely to use what works better for them. People, who really care about freedom, however, are much less likely to use Opera. However, since there are different kinds of freedom, when talking about web browsers, things can get a little confusing, so let me clarify:
- Opera promotes open standards (HTML, CSS) for the web, so it fights for the freedom to be able to use any browser that you choose (including free ones), and still be able to access the web. However, Firefox does the same thing also, and actually has been a lot more successful in achieving that, since it was the first browser to grab a significant marketshare from IE.
- Firefox itself is also free software by the FSF definition, so it also has all the benefits that follow from that: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Personally, I'd never even consider using Opera, unless they release it under a free license. And I don't care if other people use it or not, as it is not a threat to free software, so it doesn't really affect me at all. The real threat for free software on the web right now is IMHO Adobe Flash, which still has no usable free alternative, and which I'm forced to use under Linux, although I hate it.
And actually, Google Chrome is free/open source, at least according to the license. The only problem with it is that it was initially developed in secret internally by Google (which kinda violates the free/open source spirit) and only supports Windows, which is non-free (although a Linux version is being worked on).
Nintendo doesn't build the browsers into their consoles, both the Wii and the DSi require you to download it from the shop channel (both free now). I figure it's about not paying royalties on systems that never go online but it'd also make it easy to remove Opera (temporarily?) if an injunction happens.
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Does it support the W3C standard for MVC markup yet, or is Opera still cherry-picking stanards that suit its business model more than those of its users?