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Opera 10.0 Released

neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."

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  1. Don't bother trying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is a joke of a browser. Just use the industry standard: Internet Explorer. It's fast and extremely secure.

  2. Re:That is impressive by sopssa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But does it run on Linux?

    It was released for all Windows, Mac OS and Linux.

    Opera has always been my favourite browser. It has pretty much everything packed in that you want and need, and still its really lightweight and smooth. Even firefox doesn't get close, a lot of times it feels quite non-smooth. Responsiveness from the GUI and things like scrolling does *a lot*. And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers. Mouse gestures, speed dial, advanced browsers on Wii/Mobile phones etc.

    The old "Next" page also has been updated with little bit of information about 10.10, which will include Opera Unite. So its not included in this version yet.

    Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?

  3. Re:Snappiest beast out there by MenThal · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ex-Opera employee here: Yes, the same code base is used for mobile and device versions of Opera.

    Usually the versions used lags a little behind the desktop version, as a desktop version can allow to use more CPU and memory. No idea if 10.0 is in any mobile versions yet (perhaps Opera Mini is). When I worked there, the Opera 9 code base was starting to get into a lot of mobile projects.

  4. Re:Announced on Twitter by Nadir · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh my ${deity}, six hours !!! That's like AGES ago !

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  5. best browser out there by spyk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share... I have been using Opera as my main browser for about 2 years, and I believe that once you get used to it you can never go back..

  6. It still fails at my simple CSS test. by TodLiebeck · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I reported this about a year ago. Create a simple page, with two absolute positioned DIVs, nested one inside the other. Resize the browser vertically (but not horizontally). Watch as the DIVs are no longer positioned according to your specification.

    My example: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/

    The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.

    Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."

    1. Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was under the impression, that "offsetHeight" was nonstandard and not recommended to be used anyway...

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    2. Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. by Animaether · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seeing as I still have all these at my disposal (see some older thread on browsers..)

      IE8: fine

      FF3.5.2: fine

      Safari 4.0.3: fine; although I can't resize vertically completely. The extent of the lime-colored rectangle is always a minimum size to encompass the red rectangle. Can't check horizontally because the window won't resize small enough there :)

      Chrome 2.0.172.43: fine

      cat: fine too (*groan*)

      Opera 9.64: yup, broken.. slow to redraw, the vertical scrollbar pops into and out of existance, the boxes end up overflowing or not being sized right, etc.

      Opera 10.00: also broken.. if I very slowly drag the bottom edge of the window up, the resizing happens in 'pops'. basically any time the top edge of the bottom (status) bar is hitting the bottom edge of the lime-colored rectangle, a resize occurs (vertical scrollbar pops into view, resize occurs, vertical scrollbar pops out of view). If, instead, I do it a little faster.. it just doesn't respond in time at all and I can no longer see the bottom are of the lime rectangle, the vertical scrollbar stays in place, etc. In either case, expanding the window vertically from the window's bottom edge does -not- expand the rectangles again.

      Note that this behavior -is- different from 9. 9 -would- smoothly resize as the bottom edge of the window is being dragged... it's just that it resizes incorrectly

      Platform: Windows Vista

  7. Re:no announcement? by alexhs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Press release

    Maybe it wasn't online at the time of submission, but now it is.

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  8. Re:It's not a score! by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it *is* the number of tests successfully passed. A 100/100 however does *not* indicate a pass, browsers need to pass all the tests at over 30fps to pass the whole test.

  9. Re:rendering Slashdot by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can anything??

  10. Re:Couple of questions by sopssa · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) You can change that behaviour in preferences.
    Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs
    When closing a tab
    - Activate the last active tab
    - Activate the next tab
    - Activate first tab opened from current tab

    Personally I really prefer to go back to last active tab - it speeds up things a lot, atleast for me.

    2) You could try emptying cache on exit always
    Preferences -> Advanced -> History -> Empty on exit
    On same page is always Check if document is updated on server, where I have "Always" and I think they do update when I start Opera.

  11. Re:Snappiest beast out there by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is that possible? Opera Mini, for example, is a MIDP 2.0 (Java 2 Micro Edition) application, while the desktop Opera appears to be C/C++.

    Opera Mini is just a thin application. The actual "browser", or the engine, runs on a server.

    I suppose that Windows Mobile edition of Opera Mobile shares code with the desktop Opera browser (which is already coded to the Win32 API), but the Opera Mobile for the Symbian phones would almost certainly have to be Java, right?

    Nope. They use the same engine (the biggest and most complex part of a browser), but not necessarily the same UI.

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  12. Re:plugins? by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh yes, there are equivalents. Also, Opera has NoScript built in, in the form of site specific settings.

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  13. Re:That is impressive by azior · · Score: 5, Informative

    But does it run on Linux?

    It runs on these OSs:

    • Windows
    • Mac OS X
    • Linux x86 64
    • Linux PowerPC
    • Linux i386
    • FreeBSD i386
    • FreeBSD AMD64
    • Solaris Sparc
    • Solaris Intel
    • QNX
    • OS/2
    • BeOS

    You can also see specialized versions for your distro of choice on their site

  14. Re:That is impressive by sopssa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually the only thing Opera still kind of needs is as good ad blocker as adblock. While it does have its feature for blocking content, it doesn't have lists and it doesn't always work as good. I know you could find lists for it and put them in the config files, but it's not as comfortable and still doesn't work as good.

    Thats why I've always used Ad Muncher tho, it does the ad blocking perfectly (and not just in Opera, but all browsers). But Opera should really fine tune their ad blocking features. Otherwise there's no really features I can come up thats missing in Opera.

  15. Re:That is impressive by hkmwbz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but V8, Carakan, etc. are for nothing but bragging rights these days. Someone did an analysis. About 10% at most of CPU cycles were taken up by JavaScript even on sites like Gmail. The real performance gains on real sites today are not JavaScript at all.

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  16. Re:That is impressive by zlogic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some ad servers are deliberately made incompatible with Firefox with Adblock installed, sometimes resulting in javascript alerts, sometimes the page never stops loading because it seems to be trying reloading the banner ad until it succeeds (or perhaps doing some tricky onload callback, I'm not sure). Opera's ad blocker is mostly immune to these tricks, and blocking lists can be easily downloaded from third-party sites. I think what Opera needs more is Flashblock, because pages that suddenly make sounds or start downloading HD videos without asking are disgusting.

  17. Correct, but please note... by Animaether · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.

    But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
    ( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )

    There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma

  18. Re:That is impressive by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So ... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?

    Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?

    And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.

    Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' list as a starter.

    And, if you really want to be pedantic, there's always the option of using Google to find what you're looking for. There seems to be quite few attempts at recreating Adblock:
    Tamil's My.Opera blog
    OperaWiki.info has some suggestions
    Lex1's blog on My.Opera also has some ideas

    There's even a Flashblock for Opera

    Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".

    Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.

    Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".

    And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.

  19. Re:email? by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 4, Informative

    opera has a brilliant built in email client and rss reader.
    they went for the approach of filter/search rather than sort long before gmail made it popular

    I hit f4 to show my email & rss on the right of the screen. You can see an old version here:

    http://www.freeemailtutorials.com/operaM2/operaMailInterface.cwd

    rss is treated much like a seperate mail account

    I love it.

  20. Re:rendering Slashdot by sopssa · · Score: 5, Informative

    And besides that Opera is also the most slashdot oriented browser. Just type /. to address bar and off you go to slashdot.

  21. Re:That is impressive by unifyingtheory · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, I know what you mean; I don't like it either but it's the only thing I use and I still can't get enough of it.

  22. Re:email? by TeXMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?

    Because Opera is NOT a web browser but an Internet suite: it manages web, email, newsgroup, rss feeds, bittorrent and IRC. There's also a preview version that includes a web server (Opera Unite). And with all this it's still smaller (on disk and in memory) than Firefox alone.

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