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Opera 10.0 Released
neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."
It is a joke of a browser. Just use the industry standard: Internet Explorer. It's fast and extremely secure.
But does it run on Linux?
It was released for all Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
Opera has always been my favourite browser. It has pretty much everything packed in that you want and need, and still its really lightweight and smooth. Even firefox doesn't get close, a lot of times it feels quite non-smooth. Responsiveness from the GUI and things like scrolling does *a lot*. And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers. Mouse gestures, speed dial, advanced browsers on Wii/Mobile phones etc.
The old "Next" page also has been updated with little bit of information about 10.10, which will include Opera Unite. So its not included in this version yet.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
Usually the versions used lags a little behind the desktop version, as a desktop version can allow to use more CPU and memory. No idea if 10.0 is in any mobile versions yet (perhaps Opera Mini is). When I worked there, the Opera 9 code base was starting to get into a lot of mobile projects.
I never tried 9 but I just installed 10 and it's running Slashdot beautifully! I hate to admit it, but it's certainly faster than my Firefox. If it only ran XMarks...
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I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share... I have been using Opera as my main browser for about 2 years, and I believe that once you get used to it you can never go back..
My example: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/
The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.
Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."
You can still reuse things like rendering engine and most of the system. Remember that Opera is also available for Mac OS and Linux and they obviously aren't using Win32 API there.
That is why he said code base, and that it lags behind because you obviously have to port some things.
Press release
Maybe it wasn't online at the time of submission, but now it is.
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No, it *is* the number of tests successfully passed. A 100/100 however does *not* indicate a pass, browsers need to pass all the tests at over 30fps to pass the whole test.
Can anything??
Apparently they figured the release was important enough for a full-blown trailer as well ;-)
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1) You can change that behaviour in preferences.
Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs
When closing a tab
- Activate the last active tab
- Activate the next tab
- Activate first tab opened from current tab
Personally I really prefer to go back to last active tab - it speeds up things a lot, atleast for me.
2) You could try emptying cache on exit always
Preferences -> Advanced -> History -> Empty on exit
On same page is always Check if document is updated on server, where I have "Always" and I think they do update when I start Opera.
Opera Mini is just a thin application. The actual "browser", or the engine, runs on a server.
Nope. They use the same engine (the biggest and most complex part of a browser), but not necessarily the same UI.
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And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers.
While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
When Opera wasn't free, people could easily crack it, Opera was a lot faster on dialup connections (because it rendered pages immediately instead of waiting for them to load completely), it had caching that was actually useful and didn't need a lot of system resouces. So installing a "free" browser resulted in faster and cheaper internet. The latest Opera versions are installed because people remember how fast it was. It's still a great browser, and if other browsers aren't a lot better then why bother migrating?
Opera Mini seems to repeat the same success story, GPRS/EDGE internet is slow and pretty expensive in CIS (around $0.15-$0.20 per megabyte), and because Opera Mini compresses reduces the pages' size by 5-20 times, it's even used on devices with "real" browsers.
Oh yes, there are equivalents. Also, Opera has NoScript built in, in the form of site specific settings.
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But does it run on Linux?
It runs on these OSs:
You can also see specialized versions for your distro of choice on their site
Actually the only thing Opera still kind of needs is as good ad blocker as adblock. While it does have its feature for blocking content, it doesn't have lists and it doesn't always work as good. I know you could find lists for it and put them in the config files, but it's not as comfortable and still doesn't work as good.
Thats why I've always used Ad Muncher tho, it does the ad blocking perfectly (and not just in Opera, but all browsers). But Opera should really fine tune their ad blocking features. Otherwise there's no really features I can come up thats missing in Opera.
It's obvious why this is moded troll, however i believe you have a point.
Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
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Hey it's my web browser. What I filter with it is my own business. For that matter, my choice of user-agent string is my business as well.
Stick to spamming IE users and illiterates. It's more profitable and less annoying to those who might threaten your existence.
Sorry to disappoint you, but V8, Carakan, etc. are for nothing but bragging rights these days. Someone did an analysis. About 10% at most of CPU cycles were taken up by JavaScript even on sites like Gmail. The real performance gains on real sites today are not JavaScript at all.
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Some ad servers are deliberately made incompatible with Firefox with Adblock installed, sometimes resulting in javascript alerts, sometimes the page never stops loading because it seems to be trying reloading the banner ad until it succeeds (or perhaps doing some tricky onload callback, I'm not sure). Opera's ad blocker is mostly immune to these tricks, and blocking lists can be easily downloaded from third-party sites. I think what Opera needs more is Flashblock, because pages that suddenly make sounds or start downloading HD videos without asking are disgusting.
What browser doesnt have problems rendering slashdot?
Really... I'd like to know. Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer all have issues.
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Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.
But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )
There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma
So ... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?
Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' list as a starter.
And, if you really want to be pedantic, there's always the option of using Google to find what you're looking for. There seems to be quite few attempts at recreating Adblock:
Tamil's My.Opera blog
OperaWiki.info has some suggestions
Lex1's blog on My.Opera also has some ideas
There's even a Flashblock for Opera
Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".
Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.
Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Firstly, Opera Software is a Norwegian corporation. It would be Norwegian laws and court that would apply, not US ones. :)
Secondly, theres really no law against "interfering with other people's income". All the other ad blocker software would get sued then. Hell, virus writers and criminals could sue you and police because they're interfering with their income
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Opera's way however is different than Firefox. They like to build all the features natively in. And its great because I dont have to go hunt for every random addon that might be sub-standard; everything you need is build in (and hence doesn't take resources as much either) and is consistent in both quality and in usage.
opera has a brilliant built in email client and rss reader.
they went for the approach of filter/search rather than sort long before gmail made it popular
I hit f4 to show my email & rss on the right of the screen. You can see an old version here:
http://www.freeemailtutorials.com/operaM2/operaMailInterface.cwd
rss is treated much like a seperate mail account
I love it.
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And besides that Opera is also the most slashdot oriented browser. Just type /. to address bar and off you go to slashdot.
Yeah, I know what you mean; I don't like it either but it's the only thing I use and I still can't get enough of it.
Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
Because Opera is NOT a web browser but an Internet suite: it manages web, email, newsgroup, rss feeds, bittorrent and IRC. There's also a preview version that includes a web server (Opera Unite). And with all this it's still smaller (on disk and in memory) than Firefox alone.
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Does it support the W3C standard for MVC markup yet, or is Opera still cherry-picking stanards that suit its business model more than those of its users?