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China Considering Cuts In Rare-Earth Metal Exports

SillySnake sends in a report from the Telegraph on draft plans in China to restrict exports of rare earths. "Beijing is drawing up plans to prohibit or restrict exports of rare earth metals that are produced only in China and play a vital role in cutting edge technology, from hybrid cars and catalytic converters, to superconductors, and precision-guided weapons. A draft report by China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has called for a total ban on foreign shipments of terbium, dysprosium, yttrium, thulium, and lutetium. Other metals such as neodymium, europium, cerium, and lanthanum will be restricted to a combined export quota of 35,000 tonnes a year, far below global needs."

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  1. Not a Great Analogy by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just what the world economy needs. A single-country "cartel" that will cause prices to greatly rise. This should be interesting to watch.

    I guess rare-earth metals are the new "oil".

    Some key points you may have missed from the article:

    Mr Stephens said China had put global competitors out of business in the early 1990s by flooding the market, leading to the closure of the biggest US rare earth mine at Mountain Pass in California - now being revived by Molycorp Minerals.

    So, if this goes through, we merely open the mine in California. I'll feel better about paying a higher price for something if it is created under tighter environmental regulations than what they have in China. Cheap labor and lack of an EPA and potential corrupted officials? Of course they can undercut California!

    Secondly a rare metals dealer in Australia said

    This isn't about the China holding the world to ransom. They are saying we need these resources to develop our own economy and achieve energy efficiency, so go find your own supplies.

    So your analogy is lacking in many ways. We can refine the metals here and China needs them for their own growing demand.

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    1. Re:Not a Great Analogy by lambent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Our oil fields are not dry. Our demand outstrips domestic production. It's just easier to buy refined oil from other countries. The bottleneck has been our craptacular refineries for some decades, now.

      We have lots of choices of where to get oil, including the choice to stop using oil. It's just easier to pay someone else to do it for us.

      I assume the same is true of these rare earth metals.

    2. Re:Not a Great Analogy by cats-paw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll feel better about paying a higher price for something if it is created under tighter environmental regulations than what they have in China. Cheap labor and lack of an EPA and potential corrupted officials? Of course they can undercut California!

      Isn't this the problem ? There is no such thing as "free trade". We're all Ferengi now, the profit is what's important. The mine should have not been allowed to close in the first place. It's ridiculous to say companies have to compete when the competition is an autocratic country with no environmental laws and other "advantages".

      And no, the answer is not to weaken our environmental laws, that's called the race to the bottom, and I don't want to run in that race.

      Child labor, lack of environmental laws, repressive regimes, none of it matters when it comes to "free trade".

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    3. Re:Not a Great Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Frankly, I miss the days of over-engineered machines built of inferior materials.

      I have wood working machines from the early 1900's that are more durable, accurate, and mammoth than the cheap plastic shit you buy today.

      Funny thing is, they still work. Like new.

      If this means we actually start over-engineering and building things to -last- again, I'm all for it.

    4. Re:Not a Great Analogy by ZekoMal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not against drilling; drill away. The problem is that there isn't enough; even if we just started drilling in every spot we could, we wouldn't have enough. It's. Not. Sustainable. Every time we find a new pocket of oil, everybody falls silent and slows down work on alternative energy. Look at our alternative energy options: all of them rely on oil in some way. We have no plans, and drilling to fix our oil problems is so short term that it's laughable.

  2. Reciprocal regulations by valinor89 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that if they do so they won't mind if we ( as in the other western countries) put prohibitions and restrictions of our own in other product importations. We could revive our cloth, electrodomestic, chemical, (whatever) old industries. It might be a bit expensive at first (mostly for those multinationals ) but then we can be sure of better occupation rates. I's a shame that this is only wishfull thinking...

  3. Cash for Rare Earth Metals Program by Maltheus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they're getting tired of exchanging their wealth for our paper. I admire the way China is focused like a laser on their infrastructure and the acquisition of raw materials, while we're busy making up new problems to solve as a way of avoiding the very serious ones we already have. Perhaps if we focused on production, rather than consumption, we might have a little extra wealth to spend on our own decaying infrastructure.

  4. Re:The new "oil" by xerxesVII · · Score: 5, Funny

    Muslims?

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  5. Re:The new "oil" by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uuum, what have the Chinese nationals to do with their asshole government? They are not their government. It's like punishing you for the murderings by the US Army in in Afghanistan and Iraq. Wouldn't you feel unfairly treated?

    Perhaps they even go to American schools to *avoid* "their" government.

    It's people with your mindset that create hatred against a whole nation for the fault of a few.

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  6. Re:Woo-hoo - by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Revenge? It's not revenge. It's their resources, they can CHOOSE to sell it to us, or they can CHOOSE to hoard it for their own use, or they can CHOOSE to turn it into a life sized replica of the pyramids just because they can. That's the nature of it being THEIRS.

    Looking at the history of things like rubber, tea, diamonds and oil, it would seem that we are not aware that we have no God given right to the resources of others, no matter how much we tell ourselves we need it for our survival. Has UK/US historical foreign policy gotten that far into the public mindset that we now get all angsty and self-righteous whenever some country decides that they need their resources more than we need their resources? Seriously people, if we're going to think this way and then acquiesce to the military being used to go fetch those resources and destroy the other country in the process, then lets at least not act all surprised when they get fed up and fly planes into our buildings.

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