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Sam Ramji, Microsoft's Open Source Guru, Is Moving On

barking_at_airplanes writes "Some called him crazy a few years ago when he joined Microsoft to run the Open Source Software Lab, but Sam Ramji endured and made real differences to how Microsoft treats open source and how open source people view Microsoft. Ramji is now heading back to Silicon Valley to join a cloud computing startup. Sam comments in his announcement: '46 months later, I am amazed at the changes that have occurred for the company, for the team I belonged to, and the sentiments of the industry.' It's a statement which, 46 months ago, few Slashdotters would have thought could come true! With Sam leaving, can Microsoft's positive momentum into open source continue successfully? Bill Hilf says they're 'actively seeking someone to fill Sam's shoes.'"

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  1. I know! by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hire Stallman!

    1. Re:I know! by Errtu76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Better yet, have Microsoft 'ask Slashdot'. I'm sure there'll be lots of people with ideas on how to continue/improve things.

    2. Re:I know! by Norsefire · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stallman: We must only use free-software, by my definition
      Ballmer/Gates: We must use only Microsoft products
      Jobs: I don't care what we use but it has to look cool and have shiny logos on it
      Torvalds: I don't care as long as it does one thing and does it well.

      Yeah ... I wouldn't be too worried.

    3. Re:I know! by Timosch · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just had this image of Stallman and Ballmer in a room together.

      Uhm, the chairs would propably get caught in Stallman's beard.

    4. Re:I know! by aetherworld · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait... so we would get free Microsoft products that look cool and only do one thing, but they do it well? Can we please lock those guys up in a room already until they come up with that idea?

    5. Re:I know! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait... so we would get free Microsoft products that look cool and only do one thing, but they do it well? Can we please lock those guys up in a room already until they come up with that idea?

      They have already written FDISK decades ago...

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    6. Re:I know! by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bullshit.

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    7. Re:I know! by jonadab · · Score: 5, Funny

      You don't want to put Jobs and Stallman in a room together, trust me. Gates and Stallman would probably just give eachother the cold shoulder (what would they have to say to one another, after all?), but Jobs would probably do something to get Stallman riled. Could get messy.

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  2. Really? by kubrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sam Ramji... made real differences to how Microsoft treats open source and how open source people view Microsoft.

    [Citation needed]

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    1. Re:Really? by minsk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe it.

      A few years ago, Microsoft was ignoring Free Software and Open Source. Now Microsoft has moved onto misleading branding, false marketing, patent threats, and courting developers with what traditionally turned out to be empty promises.

      So, the same way they treat other competition.

    2. Re:Really? by someone1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Single patent system, so they could effectively fight Open Source (which is not centered in a single country)
      http://politics.slashdot.org/story/09/09/02/2036227/Microsoft-Pushes-For-Single-Global-Patent-System?from=rss

      Failed attempt to sell out a small portions of less useful patents to patent trolls
      (this was most likely a tentative attempt and the next one will have a bigger impact)
      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/213217/Microsoft-Letting-Patents-Move-To-Linux-Firms?from=rss

      Suing TomTom because it is using the FAT filesystem
      http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/25/232212

      'Releasing GPL drivers' after found violating GPL
      http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/23/1327205

      'training' BestBuy employees with false facts
      http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/05/195219/Microsoft-Attacks-Linux-With-Retail-Training-Talking-Points

      I hope you are satisfied by the citations.

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  3. What are you smoking? by Grokmoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article claims Ramji has improved relations between Microsoft and open source people? Since when have relations between Microsoft and open source been anything but negative? We read stories on here almost every day about some new point of conflict.

    1. Re:What are you smoking? by Locutus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that Microsoft Linux Lab is just a training facility for Microsoft upper management so they can be exposed to what open source is and so they can then be moved into other positions within Microsoft and use what was learned to advance Microsoft Windows or at the very least, protect its position. It's not about making money of open source, it's about understanding it and the people behind it. They go to open source conventions, not to sell Microsoft open source products but to see what others are doing and talk to them to learn their strengths and their weaknesses. They join open standards bodies not to move open standards forward but to move them in directions which leave holes open for Microsoft to leverage and to slow down or distract the committees while Microsoft embeds similar technologies into Windows or their other desktop or server apps.

      Do pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. Microsoft's Linux Lab is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. And then some. IMO

      LoB

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  4. Microsoft promises to play nice *this* time by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft has announced Microsoft CodePlex, its new Open Source foundation.

    "We want to be more responsive to your needs," said Sam Ramji of Microsoft during a Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit panel this week as he wiped rotten tomatoes off his suit.

    "We want all open source innovation to happen on Windows. In practice, Windows is too slow, and just putting Linux underneath the same software stack triples performance. So we're running the Windows versions of the software on Linux using Wine. We'll also be funding the Wine on Windows initiative."

    The new Microsoft Amazingly Open And Genuine Public License allows you complete freedom to use, modify and redistribute the software provided that every copy comes with a DVD of Windows Vista Ultimate, you acknowledge that Microsoft's FAT patent protects a remarkable and valuable innovation in computer science and all accompanying documentation is in OOXML. Also, all your data belongs to Microsoft.

    The overwhelming dominance of Microsoft was assured, he said, pointing to their success in paying netbook manufacturers to use Windows XP and paying US retailers not to stock the Linux versions of the computers. "We're also enforcing our patent on right-clicking. And on the number seven." Ramji reassured journalists of his absolute faith in the power of Microsoft's vision, just before quitting to work somewhere -- anywhere -- else.

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    1. Re:Microsoft promises to play nice *this* time by minsk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't knock it... someone porting Wine to Windows might just be the only way to get old applications to work properly :)

    2. Re:Microsoft promises to play nice *this* time by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Informative
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  5. !change by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they still do all these "little things" like screwing Grub after Windows installation, something they can fix in one person/day. Not to mention "big" things, like document formats etc. I don't know what this guy is really talking about...

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  6. Not ever Microsoft employee is evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The overall direction of the company is evil. They have done plenty of evil things. Balmer is still a patent troll. But Microsoft is a giant company win tons of divisions. And many of their employees are real, decent human beings. Not all Microsoft divisions agree with patent trolling, FUD, extinguishing open standards, etc. In fact I talked to a Microsoft employee who once said you have to realize this is a company that doesn't have the management or foresight to have the Exchange team directly tied to the Outlook team, because Exchange is a separate server product, where as Outlook is merely part of the Office team.

    I think a lot of people fail to notice that Microsoft is LESS EVIL than they were before. No doubt, guys like Sam Ramji played a part in that. For that, I am grateful.

    Kudos to you, sir.

    That being said, does his non-compete kick into effect since Ray Ozzie said Microsoft's future 100% lies with cloud computing, and Ramji is going to a competing cloud computing company? And do you want to run a start-up trying to compete with a multi-billion dollar behemoth that likes to crush competition?

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  7. Re:Microsoft's Open Source Strategy by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In all fairness, Bill Gates used to brag how Microsoft never sued anyone (before the TomTom fiasco). They use FUD, but they didn't follow through on threats. I'm curious if the TomTom suit was an isolated incident, or the future direction of Microsoft.

    One of the major failings of the United States is that money can trump justice in civil suits. Simply bankrupting another company in a lawsuit can guarantee you victory, which is why TomTom rolled over, rather than fight a battle they likely could have won in court.

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  8. You forgot one... by ichbineinneuben · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You forgot to add corrupting an international standards body...