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One Telescope Per Child

An anonymous reader writes "It seems one-<object>-per-child goes beyond laptops. A project from the International Astronomical Union (IAU) has designed a high-quality, $20 telescope they're calling the Galileoscope, hoping to spark interest in astronomy among kids and make good scopes available to many who otherwise could not afford one. But as OLPC learned, it's not that easy; they are struggling to get enough volume to get production ramped up and costs down, resorting to tricks like auctioning off a few autographed ones, and trying Give-One-Get-One."

63 comments

  1. Done! by ak_hepcat · · Score: 1

    I'll take two, and give one to my daughter.

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    1. Re:Done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      1girl1telescope

      I'm so sorry I said that.

    2. Re:Done! by MrNaz · · Score: 0, Troll

      "I'm so sorry I said that."
      You know, you *can* click cancel when previewing the message. It's not like blurting something crass out at a party about your best mate's wife.

      Oh boy, if only there was a "Preview" function in that scenario...

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  2. Better than they need to be? by tylerni7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An interesting benefit in living in poorer countries is that there is far less light pollution.
    Maybe they could make these even cheaper by making some of the optics smaller (reducing the aperture), since something good enough to see Saturn's rings in rural America should be far more capable in an area with almost zero light pollution, like rural Africa.

    1. Re:Better than they need to be? by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      since something good enough to see Saturn's rings

      Don't bet on it. First of all you're going to need a stable tripod, probably costing as much as the telescope itself. Even at best you will end up seeing an oval blur unless you start using 6+ inch for a refractive telescope.

    2. Re:Better than they need to be? by tylerni7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It says in the article that one of the project goals was to be able to see Saturn's rings, and I know personally that one can see Saturn's rings with a fairly small telescope.
      (Of course it depends on the orientation of Saturn and its rings, but assuming they are ideally situated, I don't see why someone wouldn't be able to see its rings, although IANAA)

    3. Re:Better than they need to be? by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      I think they're more concerned with getting enough food, water, and shelter in rural Africa to worry about seeing Saturn's rings. I would hardly call that a net "benefit".

    4. Re:Better than they need to be? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      On its closest approach, Saturn is about 7 AU away. The diameter of its rings are about 360,000 km. Doing the math, this means that best case scenario, the angular size of Saturn including its rings is around 1 arcminute. The 2-inch diameter Galileoscope has a diffraction limited angular resolution of 0.05 arcminutes. The gap between the rings and the planet (around 6000 km) is going to be about 0.02 arcminutes. This is all large enough we can safely ignore atmospheric seeing.

      So basically this scope is going to be capable of seeing the rings of Saturn quite easily, although they won't be clearly distinguishable from the planet. This is exactly what early astronomers saw, and while it confused them at the time, any kid who has seen a picture is going to know immediately what it is. While the picture in a book or the view from a big expensive telescope is obviously going to be more impressive, there is something to be said for being able to see it at all with your own equipment in your own backyard. Personally, I bought myself a 5" newtonian for personal use even though my current work involves setting up and operating two 16" SCTs, for that very reason.

      And I'm not sure what it being a refractor has to do with it. Tripod is definitely an issue though. I personally like the Celestron FirstScope http://www.celestron.com/c3/category.php?CatID=92 better for that reason, plus it has an extra inch of aperture - it is $50 vs. $20 though.

    5. Re:Better than they need to be? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Man, everytime I think I'm really, really nerdy, all I have to do is come to /. and boom. I'm nobody.

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    6. Re:Better than they need to be? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm thinking One Pocketknife Per Child.

      Telescope? How many bags of rice can you trade a telescope for?

      Sometimes, I get the impression that these do-gooders have never left their own neighborhood.

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    7. Re:Better than they need to be? by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      Well, different people do have different nerdy specialties. You may be able to make him feel the same way in an area of your interest.

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    8. Re:Better than they need to be? by Beowabbit · · Score: 2, Informative

      First of all you're going to need a stable tripod, probably costing as much as the telescope itself.

      It's designed to work with a camera tripod, which works well since it's so light. But the other night I was able to get a pretty good (if very small) view of Jupiter and a couple of its larger moons just bracing my elbows on a porch railing. When Saturn's inclination with respect to the earth is such that its rings are easy to see (not the case right now), I'm sure you'll be able to see them (meaning see that they exist, not necessarily get a good clear view) without a tripod.

      (I got one for myself and one for my girlfriend, and I think it was a great purchase. The instructions that came with the kit were ambiguous and incomplete, but there's a good thorough PDF with photos on the web site.)

    9. Re:Better than they need to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      One AK per child. No, wait, someone already thought of that.

      One rice kernel per child? Mao done that already.

      Seriously, I believe you are right about never leaving their neighborhood. Not that hard to go out and see true hunger. Got to step outside the tourist trail, but not far.

    10. Re:Better than they need to be? by Amiralul · · Score: 1

      I bought the Celestron's FirstScope just a few days ago. Tough it's more expensive than Galileoscope, I would say it worth the extra.

    11. Re:Better than they need to be? by Omestes · · Score: 2, Informative

      My Dad bought one of these for $20 for the Galileo anniversary, they only go up to around 50x (by combining the 30x and 20x lenses), so a tripod isn't really necessary being that these are about as powerful as cheap binoculars. The 50x combination, though, has a VERY small angle of view though, meaning it might necessitate a tripod, the 20x and 30x lenses, though, probably won't need one. Without using a tripod, I managed to observe 2 of Jupiter's moons, with a largish amount of light pollution, without the assistance of a tripod. So I don't see this as a problem. This isn't intended for "hardcore" astronomy, so it fits its purpose just fine.

      That said, it does have a standard tripod mount, if you want to use it, as well. It also uses a rifle sight for aiming, which I found VERY amusing.

      The most interesting bit of this telescope is the fact that you must assemble it yourself, allowing you to muck around with the various lenses, thus learning the proper placement for your optics. The "hands-on" aspect of this is probably more important that the actual use as a telescope. Believe it or not, it gave me the opportunity to spend around an hour teaching my dad basic principles of optics, without him getting too bored. I can imagine this would be even more useful as a teaching aid to the intended audience.

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    12. Re:Better than they need to be? by Omestes · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've actually used one of these; A tripod isn't strictly necessary. With the 50x lens combination (combining the 20x and 30x) I could see Jupiter's moons without the assistance of a tripod, though sighting it was a bit "odd" using the built in rifle sights. I couldn't test it on Saturn, thanks to bad weather and light pollution.

      This was at my fathers, so I didn't have my usual $70 photography tripod around, but he had one that was around $14.99 at Fry's Electronics, which worked fine with the Galileoscope. You really don't need quality with this telescope, its pretty much an educational toy meant for children. Also, as stated, the main interest of this is the DUY aspects of installing your own lenses.

      I have seen $70 reflectors with base mounts included that are higher than max 50x before (yes, cheap, and very simple), so getting a $50 tripod is a bit silly. The main joy of this is that it is a quick, easy, kit for learning. The design doesn't really lead to "quality" observations thanks to a ton of light leakage, and less than accurate plastic lenses. In a certain sense, it is inferior to cheap binoculars. But that isn't the point.

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    13. Re:Better than they need to be? by Omestes · · Score: 2

      Food and water are important, at least as far as short term survival goes. Education is MORE beneficial in the long term. That is the large problem with developing nations, you can feed them, and throw money at them until your blue in the face, and you never approach the long term problems that cause the problems.

      As someone here on /. once said (sorry for the vague attribution, and general butchery, whoever you are); "give a man a fire and you keep him warm for the night; set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life".

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    14. Re:Better than they need to be? by herojig · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here in rural Nepal, we would use the telescope to see when ama was going to get up the hill with fresh water, or dada was returning from the hilltop with a bit of fresh meat. A similar thing is happening with the $200 netbook project, they are becoming the village telephone and whatnot when the power goes out for the mandatory 6 hours or so. But this is not to say that new low-cost educational tech is not useful or not needed more then fresh water, sanitation, shelter, and food. The low cost cell phone microscope is saving lives, and laptops are powering entire comm links for villages without power most of the time. Keep it all coming!
      Jigs in Nepal

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    15. Re:Better than they need to be? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      I live in London I don't think the kids round here even know what stars are!

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    16. Re:Better than they need to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      China has a one child per child project. But only half of them get one.

    17. Re:Better than they need to be? by Alef · · Score: 1

      Here is a map showing the amount of light pollution. Notice that you can find pretty dark areas in some rich countries as well, including about half of USA. (The next darkest colour in the map means you can still see the Triangulum Galaxy easily with the naked eye.)

    18. Re:Better than they need to be? by chaoticgeek · · Score: 1

      Wait a second... Where are you getting a 20x and 30x eyepiece from? It has the parts to make a 20mm eyepiece that gives you 25x with the focal length (500mm) and a 2x baralow which makes the eyepiece function as if it was 10mm or you had a 1000mm focal length telescope depending on how you see it. Then the 18x correct view eyepiece is another configuration.

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  3. Should go well with the slashdot-crowd. by elFisico · · Score: 2, Funny

    Given that most of us watch real life only through keyholes and telescopes... :o)

    *ducksandrunsforcover*

  4. A direct link by dakameleon · · Score: 3, Informative

    A direct link to the Galileoscope project site would be great, wouldn't you think?

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  5. Kids will be bored by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

    Noble intentions indeed.
    Call me a skeptic, but when you can get a basic refractive telescope plus tripod (which will easily cost more than the scope itself) for under $40 I'm not exactly enthusiastic about this. And when kids find out that all they can do is look at the moon and get headaches, they'll learn one thing: Astronomy without super-expensive equipment is boring.

    1. Re:Kids will be bored by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Noble intentions indeed.
      Call me a skeptic, but when you can get a basic refractive telescope plus tripod (which will easily cost more than the scope itself) for under $40 I'm not exactly enthusiastic about this. And when kids find out that all they can do is look at the moon and get headaches, they'll learn one thing: Astronomy without super-expensive equipment is boring.

      Even with only your eyes and the night sky, astronomy isn't boring. It requires effort, however. Sure, most kids may not care about the sky. But like most interests, it becomes more engrossing as more effort is put into it. Go outside at midnight every night, sit on a roof, and sketch the sky. Learn the names of the things you can see, figure out when they'll be where, watch the planets move, look up notable events like meteor showers.

      Now go buy a good pair of 10x50 binoculars. Look at the Orion Nebula. It's easy to find and it's cool. Now go looking for Messier objects. Andromeda's a good choice - it's quite visible in binos even in a city like San Jose on the right night, but it takes a little effort to find at first. Work your way to more difficult objects. Learn what they are. Learn what they do.

      There's as much to keep you, or a kid, entertained in astronomy as there is in anything else. It just takes some effort, and after the night sky sketching it will likely be fun all the way. Or it may not be for you, but it doesn't hurt to try.

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    2. Re:Kids will be bored by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be so sure. I remember when I was little my family was pretty poor, and I used to spend all my time reading (the only tv we had was an old black and white tv with dials and bad reception. This was 1995 mind you...)

      My dad bought me a really cheap telescope which is really crappy by the standards of the Galileoscope and I still managed to enjoy it. You could see Saturn and Jupiter decently well enough to just barely make out some of their moons, and seeing the amount of detail on Earth's moon was enjoyable too. It really helped get me into science. Yeah, a lot of kids might be bored by it, but I think a lot might enjoy it too.

    3. Re:Kids will be bored by roguetrick · · Score: 1

      Did your dad show you how to use it and help develop your interest in it, or did he just throw it at you and say go to town?

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    4. Re:Kids will be bored by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 1

      My parents both worked over 60 hour weeks as we were quite poor, so I was pretty much on my own with it :P

    5. Re:Kids will be bored by eh2o · · Score: 1

      Astronomy being a science of very-remote observation might not be so great for kids... direct interaction with the environment is an important factor in early education. The idea might be exciting to them, but the technical reality of all the physics is rather intricate. Now, actual telescope hacking would be great fun, but its a bit advanced technically for primary education. Lots of modern astronomy is done with automated telescopes and statistical/computational image analysis to find interesting objects and test hypotheses, but I don't think a $20 scope will get you into that activity.

      Anyways, I can find those objects in two seconds with a google search, in 10x the resolution of any hobby telescope, and that is enough for most people.

      I wish these fellows the best of luck... :)

    6. Re:Kids will be bored by tunapez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget the impending moon impact in a couple weeks, lunar eclipses, passes of the space station. How many stars can be seen in the Pleiades Constellation? (there's more than 7 sisters)

      What really changed my attitude when I was younger was to visualize the sky not as a 2 dimensional canvas with bears and dippers, but in the third dimension by imagining the distance variations between the brighter and smaller stars. Judging distance by size/luminosity proved to be inaccurate, but it was good for a start. The planets/stars size comparison videos really drive that lesson home.

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    7. Re:Kids will be bored by LordVader717 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. I would probably say though that Astronomy without a telescope is more interesting than with one. You can learn the constellations and see how the planets move across them. Or how meteor showers originate from the same patch of sky. Or viewing predicted transits or man-made satellites. With a telescope you try to concentrate too much on how good you see something rather than what you're seeing.

    8. Re:Kids will be bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Noble intentions indeed.
      Call me a skeptic, but when you can get a basic refractive telescope plus tripod (which will easily cost more than the scope itself) for under $40 I'm not exactly enthusiastic about this. And when kids find out that all they can do is look at the moon and get headaches, they'll learn one thing: Astronomy without super-expensive equipment is boring.

      I bought one of these telescopes and the optics are amazing for the price. It doesn't come with a tripod (you have to supply one, but it's compatible with virtually any camera tripod so at least they can be found on the cheap if you don't have one), which I'm sure is why the cost is so low (back when I got mine, they were only $15 USD, the price increase to $20 came later).

      When I first set mine up I tried to observe the moon from my backyard. I was quite worried about light pollution ruining observations of the planets as I live in the middle of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada which has it's fair share. I had trouble focusing because, although I didn't realize it at the time, I didn't actually have the moon in frame and was just looking at a patch of exceptionally bright cloud next to it. Frustrated, I pointed it at the 2nd brightest thing I could see (a planet to the south) and tried focusing again. This time I found it very easy to focus and I immediately recognized that I was looking at Jupiter because I could, for the first time in my own life, see all four Galilean moons lined up in a neat little row around it. Once focused, lining up the moon was easy and filled the entire image (in the lower 25x configuration [the 'scope can also be rigged for 50x]). I'm still waiting for Saturn to show up at a convenient time for observation, to see if I can make out the "ears" without having to go for a drive.

  6. girlfreinds will be bored by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    "Now go looking for Messier objects"

    That's exactly what I did, and that's how I got into your girlfriend's room. She's tired of you sitting on the goddamned roof, staring at the stars. Now, get your ass down from there, will you? I can't service ALL the women around here by myself! And, just LOOK at her ROOM!!! It's a MESS, just like you said. Satisfied women don't live like this!

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    1. Re:girlfreinds will be bored by Zencyde · · Score: 1

      Oh, sir. You tickle me graciously.

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  7. Great concept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they get the support that they need, this is a great idea for promoting Science. It's cheap enough that even town and city councils could provide them to the community at an even further discounted rate. I really hope it catches on.

  8. light pollution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Most kids live in urban areas. They can't see the stars due to light pollution. Stupid idea.

    Why not internet controlled telescopes so that they can explore with the OLPC laptops?

    1. Re:light pollution? by Lord_Byron · · Score: 2, Informative

      While I disagree with your aggressively hostile attitude towards the Galileoscope project, an Internet-connected scope sounds like a really good idea. I took a quick Google & found a couple already, such as The Internet Telescope but what they seem to lack is real-time control. Sending off an email to request an image of something that a backyard astronomer cannot see is cool, but lacks the visceral thrill of twiddling the knobs.

      I remember seeing a robot arm on the Internet in the early days - you could move it, stack blocks, etc. Maybe something like that would be interesting - mount a scope on a tripod with servos (a ham radio satellite tracking mount, maybe?) with a camera (what type?) mounted to the end.

      I'm going to need a good think about this, and I sadly lack a place to *put* it. Thanks for the idea, though. I wish you'd signed a name to your post so I could credit you if I manage to go somewhere with this.

  9. They are cool little telescopes. by chaoticgeek · · Score: 1

    I just got mine last weekend and they are very cool little telescopes. Although the day after I got it we have had clouds almost all night every night, so no star gazing for me...

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  10. Raising perverts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    free telescopes... creating a whole generation of peeping toms...

  11. sorry by nawcom · · Score: 1

    Sorry Negroponte, you aren't gonna get your ass out of the mess you created by sending telescopes to African countries. Erm. Maybe I should RTFA.

  12. I've used one by abarrow · · Score: 3, Informative

    A buddy brought one of these on our last backpacking trip. Nice an light, and surprisingly good for something with plastic optics. A couple of words of warning: the images are inverted, so they are great for looking at the sky but not as good for spying on your fellow backpackers. Also, the focus is a simple slide, so it's tough to get a good focus without moving the scope around. I can see how a kid might grow impatient with those faults. You are going to want to put this on a secure tripod - they aren't so good holding in your hands.

    Aside from that, I agree that this is something that every kid should have. Perhaps it will get them outside looking at the sky instead of inside immersed in some FPS game.

    1. Re:I've used one by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      Aside from that, I agree that this is something that every kid should have. Perhaps it will get them outside looking at the sky instead of inside immersed in some FPS game.

      Hmm an astronomy based FPS where you have to shoot and target certain stars in the night sky actually sounds kinda fun but it would need more elements than "find the star" to do real well. It might be good for kids in areas with large amounts of light pollution.

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    2. Re:I've used one by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      The instructions stink too. I'm pretty consistently putting stuff together from bad instructions, but this one really takes the cake. I checked with my kid to make sure I wasn't just overthinking it. I suspect they make perfect sense for somebody who has been involved with the CAD design of the unit, but some user testing seems to have been left out. I bought two extras for the cousins and I know I'll have to be involved with the assembly.

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    3. Re:I've used one by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I'll send printouts of one or both along with the gift 'scopes.

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  13. compared to a $28 telescope by bxbaser · · Score: 1

    Im curios how it would compare to something like this that is the same price range more or less
    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7999783#ProductDetail

    1. Re:compared to a $28 telescope by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      The Walmart one would probably show horrible images under any magnification. The key giveaway is that they don't list the type of lens in the ad (apo, acromatic... etc). That, coupled with the cost means that it is most likely a single lens, which will show a lot of false color under magnification.

      What is nice about this Galileoscope, is that it has been designed by astronomers to provide they best image they can provide in a price range, at the expense of niceties like a tripod, metal construction, a finderscope, etc...

      Frankly, I think that while admirable, it will not take off. Most kids just don't have the interest in astronomy to look at the sky on a semi-regular basis. For most people, the sky is boring compared to TV or the computer. It's dark outside and often cold. Big cities have horrendous light pollution and sky obstructions that you can't even find the constellations. And have you ever tried to look at something magnified above 20x without a tripod? It is very difficult, especially with short (child) arms and a long telescope with a sliding focuser. Kids will lose interest very quickly.

      And for younger kids, the optics will get dirty and wiped clean with a tee-shirt... scratching them. Some retard will convince their friend to look at the sun, even with the warning sticker. They will use the scope as a club or bat... and on it goes...

      And I am typing this as someone who has a telescope and looks at the sky on a regular basis. The best thing to do is to put an observatory somewhere and let people go and see sky objects through that. That way, the equipment is top-end and maintained, allowing people to see much higher quality images. Also, there are astronomers there to guide the public and teach them. Sure, they will reach less people that way, but they will also be more likely to inspire them than they would with such a tiny scope.

    2. Re:compared to a $28 telescope by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Its like a math teacher I had in high school, who responded to someone asking why we needed to know this when all the math most of us need is balancing our checkbook and cooking; "I'm not teaching this class for all of you, I'm teaching this class for the one individual here who will get the spark of interest and change the world. Sadly you won't know if this is you until your older." All this needs to do is ignite the interests of 2-3% of the people who get them, to make a difference, if it happens then it is worth while.

      Think of your topic of interest, the area of knowledge you love today (your on /., so I'm guessing your a nerd, and I'm guessing your obsessed with something boring and "knowledgy"), now think how you got interested, and how many people doing the same thing at the same time were bored and moved on to other things. This is the point.

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  14. One more thing... by nilbog · · Score: 1

    The abstract misses the fact that the Galileoscope is a reproduction similar in image quality to the one Galileo himself used.

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    1. Re:One more thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not accurate. The Galileoscope has an achromatic objective lens.

  15. One Telescope Per Child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One Voyeur Victim Per Neighbour

  16. One Velociraptor Per Child! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://velociraptorz.org/
    http://blog.mithis.net/archives/gaming-miniconf/97-programmer-art-its-deadly

  17. What's wrong with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm amazed by the fact that people seem reluctant to buy this. It is an awesome telescope and the perfect christmas gift, even for whole families. Don't be scared by the 20$ price tag -- they also accept donations if you think it is too low.

    My younger siblings will have a whole lot of universe to learn the upcoming year.

  18. Re:One Velociraptor Per GOTO! by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
  19. I just ordered five of these by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 1

    One for me, one for each of my nieces. Hopefully they'll arrive by christmas.

    At this price, you can afford to buy them even if they might end up going unused. Why not test it out? You might like it.

  20. one [object] per child... by garutnivore · · Score: 1

    "Every child should have health insurance..." Okay, we all need to be healthy to live and children should not be penalized for their parent's ineptitude. Well, in fact if the parents are inept, the children are penalized in many ways already but let's try to make it easier.

    "One laptop per child...." Computer literacy is an essential part of modern life. Rare is the job in which someone does not have to use a computer at one point or another. Computers are versatile so the child can use it to write stories, write software, explore mathematical concepts, search about history, learn Sanskrit, etc. etc. etc.

    "One telescope per child." Say what? I think we are veering into "pet project" territory here. How about these?

    "one terrarium per child"
    "one guitar per child"
    "one bicycle per child"
    "one cadaver per child" (promote medicine)
    "one mentally ill person per child" (promote psychiatry)
    "one [intentionally left blank] per child" (promote imagination)

    Hmm... but maybe I should seize the opportunity and start my own pet project: "One Sanskrit grammar per child."

    1. Re:one [object] per child... by Lord_Byron · · Score: 1

      So? Yes, it's probable that this money could be spent on more vital projects but the odds are it wouldn't be. This will attract science geek to put in their U$20 instead of buying lunch out, or whatever. We all know Sally Struthers is out there collecting money to fight hunger, and are already donating as much, or little, to that as we choose. I doubt strongly that this project is going to have any measurable impact on basic necessities projects.

      It can, however, get cheap, decent scopes in the hands of people who will enjoy them & learn from them. Increasing pleasure and spreading knowledge are good things, so this project is a net positive.

      Also, if you write a Sanscrit learning tool that actually works for U$20? You bet I'll buy/donate a couple. :)

  21. this is discriminatory to inner city youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I kid, I kid... But these things are useless if you live within 10 miles of a large metropolitan area. I live outside of a large city and im lucky I can see the moon at night with all the light generated by the city.

  22. Shoot, at that price... by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    Have you priced decent telescopes? I am sure these probably are not too much better than the $50 ones at Wal-Mart, but shoot, I would be willing to plop down $100 to get me one and buy 4 kids one. That is something cheap and practical, and as other people mentioned, in poorer countries with less light polution, this is like the perfect gift. Well, that and food, but I already sponser hungry children and bag food.

    1. Re:Shoot, at that price... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you priced decent telescopes? I am sure these probably are not too much better than the $50 ones at Wal-Mart, but shoot, I would be willing to plop dowt and food, but I already sponser hungry children and bag food.

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      Actually the optics are exceptionally good. It uses proper fancy bi-layer achromatic glass lenses and is better optically than many telescopes that cost 10 times as much (I know this for a fact, I have a Galileoscope and a good friend spent over $200 locally on a telescope for himself, but we both prefer the Galileoscope--it has more magnification options and a much clearer image)

  23. My daughter's arrived last week by StyroCupMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am an amateur astronomer and bought one of these for my 12-year-old daughter's birthday. I thought it would be a fun daddy-daughter project putting it together and that it would be a good first telescope for her. I got it before they raised the price recently, so mine was around $23 shipped.

    Here is my honest review of the scope and my buying experience. It took about two months longer than they said for it to arrive and their communication was non-existent. I was billed but never got a shipping notification. The invoice said it would take 4-6 weeks for delivery. After 6 weeks had passed, I tried to contact them to find out what the status was.

    They have a phone number and email address listed on the site you can use to contact them, but the phone is never answered and just goes to voicemail, which was full the two times I called it. My emails were never answered. They eventually put up some vague delay information on their website, and I did finally get the telescope 11 weeks after I ordered it.

    It was a fun project putting the scope together. The instructions were not very good, but we printed off some more detailed instructions from their website and everything went smoothly. The optics are good quality. Much, much better than your standard cheap department store telescope. We took it out on the first night and got a pretty good view of Jupiter. Note that the scope does not come with a tripod. I knew that (it is clear on their website) and had a couple photo tripods ready to use it on.

    There are two main downsides to the scope. The first is the focuser. If you have used a regular telescope, you know that they all come with rack-and-pinion focusers. With this scope, you slide the eyepiece tube in and out (like an old pirate-y telescope) to focus. It is very difficult to keep an object in view (like Jupiter) when you have to slide the tube in and out. There is a lot of friction, but there has to be or it will just slide out of focus. So focusing is an exercise in frustration. My daughter was unable to do it and I had a pretty hard time myself.

    The second is that it cannot use a diagonal. There is not enough travel in the focuser to allow a diagonal. That means that you strain your neck trying to see objects higher in the sky.

    Having laid that information out for you, I still think it is a good scope. I hope my daughter gets some use out of it. I think that with practice the focusing will get easier.

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  24. I bought 2.... by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

    ... after Bad Astronomer pimped them a bit. Good cause, all that.

    They're decent enough scopes, and VERY good for the price.

    The delivery time is atrocious, however. I think mine took around 3-4 months to arrive. As cheap as they were, I'd about written them off as a scam.

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