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Best Tablet PC For Classroom Instruction?

dostert writes "With all of the recent hype of multitouch notebooks, the Apple Tablet, the Microsoft Courier, and the CrunchPad, I've been a bit curious about what happened to the good old pen and slate tablet PCs. I'm a mathematics professor at a small college and have been searching for a good cheap tablet (under $1000) which I can use to lecture, record the lecture notes along with my voice, and post up video lectures for the class. I have seen some suggestions, but many are large scale implementations at state universities, something my small private college clearly cannot afford. All I have been able to find is either tiny netbooks (like the new Asus T91), expensive full featured tablets (like the Dell XT), or multitouch tablets, that really wouldn't allow for the type of precision mathematics needs. I know a Sympodium device would work great, but we really can't afford to put one of those in each room, so something portable would be ideal. All I've been left with is considering an HP tx series. It seems nobody has created a new tablet like this in quite sometime, and HP, Fujitsu, and Dell are just doing incremental updates to their old designs. Does anyone have experience with this?"

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  1. Motion Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a Motion Computing LE1600. Its an awesome little thing.
    Check it out. I got it used for around 400$ with a docking station.
    www.gainsaver.com

    Motion computing is the only place i have found a true tablet PC that is not a just a laptop with the screen turned over.

    1. Re:Motion Computing by Shamenaught · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So what are the advantages of a true tablet PC over a laptop with the screen turned over? I imagine the latter still has a touch screen, and has the advantage of optional keyboard input.

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    2. Re:Motion Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The keyboard adds thickness & makes it harder to carry around the room while lecturing. If you're just doing slides, then the keyboard is never useful. If you're doing math & equations, then the keyboard is also not very useful. Smaller is better, but larger screen is better. A slate makes a nice compromise between at netbook's weight and a notebook's screen by throwing out unnecessary keyboard, CD, trackpad...

    3. Re:Motion Computing by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      I don't believe that Courier exists. What I think is happening is that the tablet market is set to take off once Apple announces theirs. The Archos 5 and 7 are good products (though they could be a bit slimmer and maybe have higher resolutions).

      Announcing vapor-ware products is what Microsoft has gained notoriety for in the 80s and 90s. They would announce a non-existent product in order to keep development from migrating away from their platform. A perfect example of this is what they did to Pen Computing.

      In Pen's case Microsoft flattered them by asking for a technical demo. Pen was building up steam in the PR market and were demonstrating to everyone how useful their hand writing recognition and pen based OS would be to everyone, particularly to those collecting inventory, etc.

      After the technical demo Microsoft announced that they'd be incorporating pen computing concepts into Windows. Today we have no pen computer elements in Windows. Most people felt that it was pointless to invest in Pen Computing products as long as those same capabilities were going to be integrated into Windows. Pen Computing ultimately died.

      This is Microsoft doing the same thing. They have never been known for their stellar products in the mobile market. They are not innovative, as they copy other products rather than making something new for us all.

      One thing that just struck me is that any tablet that has any worth should have the nVidia Ion technology. Imagine the world that would open up for tablet computing. Imagine being able to play your games on the train, and to switch to listen to music, watch a video, all controlled by touch/pen in tablet form. I think the Ion platform in a tablet form would be the ultimately killer platform.

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    4. Re:Motion Computing by MarceloR2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm having a hard time with your fourth paragraph, in particular this: "Today we have no pen computer elements in Windows." I may have misunderstood what you are trying to say but recent Windows versions starting with Vista (not all versions) have built-in pen support out of the box. Even XP had pen support albeit only in the special version Windows XP for TabletPC.

    5. Re:Motion Computing by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      There are no incorporated pen capabilities in any OS of any significance that Microsoft creates. Not a one. Is there a cheap knock off that appeases the market? What you speak about is a non-product.

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    6. Re:Motion Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Define "pen support" and then let's talk. Your random but vague trolling is pissing me off.

  2. I had one once! by Seakip18 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was the HP TC1100. Great tablet. It had a half-size keyboard but didn't feel cramped. Sturdy construction and decent enough battery life for being used. Too bad mine got stolen. I'd say it would probably fit your needs as long as you don't require recent connections or bleeding edge performance.

    It had great tracking on it and I regret not getting one earlier in my academic career.

    Man...I wish I could find the burglar's who stole it.

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    1. Re:I had one once! by Seakip18 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Recent connections? That sounds like crap.

      It should say "HDMI, DVI, etc". Jeez.

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    2. Re:I had one once! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I also had one (two actually, but I'll get back to that).

      I fell into the "I'm in love with the idea of a tablet, but I don't really need one" crowd. Sure, it was novel at first. Sure, it was fun reading comic books (I was just getting through Marvel's Civil War, boy was the tablet format great for Comic Books).

      Battery life, viewing angle in light, thickness, and a few other issues really ended up making the whole experience painful. One thing that the TC1100 got right was it's swiveling, detaching keyboard. It stowed away behind the tablet while not in use.

      The pen, while better than other touchscreen models, lacked a lot for me. But, to each his own.

    3. Re:I had one once! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a tx2. I've had it for about four months. The digitizer (pen) broke after a month - but I called HP and they overnighted me a new one no questions asked and I haven't had an issue since.

      Other than that it's been great - the hinge is pretty sturdy and the screen has held up pretty well. It (the screen) has a screendoor effect - but all tablet PC's have this to some degree due to the touchscreen and digitizer layer. Keyboard feels pretty good for a laptop as well. The only downside is pretty poor battery life - I have the 8 cell extended battery and if I don't turn the screen brightness down and do something processor intensive I'm looking at two hours of usage. If I turn down the screen and put it on power saver mode I get 3-3.5. Get the 8 cell battery - I can't even imagine what it's like with the 6 cell.

      Oh... and the other downside is the HP bloat. It took about two hours to get it all uninstalled. One example of the insanity of the bloat - a 60MB TV tuner/scheduler program is installed by default on tx2. A tuner is not even an option on the laptop (and the software does not support a USB tuner or similar). Positively brilliant: good design trashed by poor software.

    4. Re:I had one once! by Compholio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had one once! It was the HP TC1100... Sturdy construction...

      Not a chance, we've got a lab worth of each of several different HP models and we have had huge problems with the TC1100. The biggest issue we've had is completely unrepairable (outside of replacement). You see, the power connector is connected directly to the motherboard (it's not floating) and is right next to the keyboard and video card controllers. If you bump that power cord at all while it's plugged into the TC1100 then you'll have huge issues. The problems start out small, but once you've damaged it then just normal operation of the tablet will quickly lead to a completely useless computer.

    5. Re:I had one once! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually you can buy HP's usb tuner that works with the tx series (I know, I have it) and it works with the included software if you install HP's driver from the disk that comes with it.

    6. Re:I had one once! by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ugghhh...by all means stay away from HP tablets in general. Their hinges are complete crap, and their mainboards go out continually. HP & Compaq (same company so that's a shocker!) some serious quality control issues. The Lenovo tablet PCs are vastly superior in comparison.

    7. Re:I had one once! by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll agree the TC1100 is garbage, but just like all recent HPs, the way their connector sits always lends itself to having cold solder. Just crack the thing open already, and fix the solder joints. Problem solved in 30-60min.

    8. Re:I had one once! by Compholio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We tried a few times, if you don't catch and secure them fast enough then the traces inside the board get cracked. Catching them fast enough is impossible if you hand them out to students (the entire purpose of having a whole lab of them).

    9. Re:I had one once! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GCC, is it?

      The HP tc4200/4400 series tablets are all very nice - My tc4200 is going on five years, and I am still using it as my primary computer. The tablet functionality is great for classes, and unlike the tc1100, it can be used as a full-featured and capable laptop, as well. Great computer.

    10. Re:I had one once! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I've one and boy it is really HOT. and slow. the Athlon x2 is a slow hot beast, and I'm hating it with full force. Comes with a decent video card, but the multi touch price premium don't justify the purchase.

      also the touchscreen is not compatible with anything adobe, as they don't have a licence for the wintab api used by photoshop and gimp. this is a SERIOUS drawback.

    11. Re:I had one once! by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Wow...3 months? Please come back in a year when the hinge snaps, mainboard goes dead, or the Wacom sensor goes wonky due to heat the machine is outputting.

    12. Re:I had one once! by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      So just fortify the DC Jack connection. Laptop Repair 101 has a pretty nice walkthrough on how to do it. Plus really, the only trace you need to fix is the POS trace. Worst case you do the fortification, and solder a wire directly to the resistor, fuse, power filter etc. the trace would be going to anyways. I've fixed far too many of these x_x http://www.laptoprepair101.com/laptop/2008/10/28/fortify-damaged-power-jack-connection-in-laptop/

    13. Re:I had one once! by Compholio · · Score: 1

      I think you're failing to see that the problem is not that we can't repair the DC jack (we can), but that the torque applied on the jack has resulted in damage to other nearby components.

    14. Re:I had one once! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC, though I just ordered one so wish me luck.

      I'm thinking the original AC implied you were not being honest. Sure, stuff breaks. Sometimes you get part of a crappy batch. But most of the complaints on computer products I've seen are intentionally lacking information. Some people abuse the crap out of their computers and blame the company.

      Case in point my previous Sony laptop. Sony laptops are known for being junk. The main complaint with this model? the hinge. board after board said the hinge will fail and not to buy it. 6 friggin' years and the hinge never broke on mine. I think it eventually died because of heat buildup on a dusty fan. When I took it apart i found that the hinge assembly was the hardest part to disassemble and was probably the heaviest part in the entire laptop. I can send pics. I'm pretty sure it is made out of friggin' steel!

      I'm guessing everyone dropped theirs on the corner repeatedly or maybe bent it back too far just one time and cracked it. Regardless, everyone blamed it on Sony making a defective product (which they usually do!) because if they owned up to how they treated the thing people would call them a moron.

      I am hoping this is the same situation. I hope to god my new tx2z blows up, catches fire, molests my children, runs over my dog or whatever in the first 21 days so I can return it. But the other AC and I will rightly take your complaints with a grain of salt.

  3. Try Motion Computing. by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're slate PCs and they're damn good.

    In my experience, Motion doesn't skimp on hardware, is reliable as hell, and the external batteries will LAST - my little brother's old LE1600 still gets six hours of battery life off the primary and secondary batteries with everything on and cranked up to full (and Win7 Professional).

    No matter what manufacturer you go with, I strongly urge that you go to Windows 7 for this - the handwriting support is worlds better than in Vista, and that was a hell of a leap from XP Tablet.

    They are kinda expensive, though.

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    1. Re:Try Motion Computing. by natet · · Score: 2, Informative

      I second the motion computing. The ones I've seen at work also include a detachable USB keyboard, so you have a faster input device on hand when it's needed.

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    2. Re:Try Motion Computing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seconded... I have been using a Motion Slate for years in the classroom and I LOVE it.

      I think a key aspect to good virtual whiteboards is using an active digitizer. I just sit back and draw on the slate and it comes up on the wall so nicely... My students love it.

      Keep in mind though, that the slate form-factor is (IMHO) mostly USELESS in any setting other than a classroom... they are extremely clunky to use anywhere else. So something like a Lenovo X200 convertible tablet is ideal for someone looking for full computer functionality... When I'm not teaching, my Motion tablet is in my locker... waiting for me to need it for it's one special task.

    3. Re:Try Motion Computing. by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      They're slate PCs and they're damn good.

      They're also $3,000!

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    4. Re:Try Motion Computing. by Xenophon+Fenderson, · · Score: 1

      I'll second the recommendation of Windows 7. The tablet PC features in Vista and 7 work much better than those in XP (IMHO), and Win7's memory footprint and overall performance appears to be much smaller/faster than Vista's. My only complaint is with Intel and Microsoft not writing an updated (WDDM) driver for their older displays. While I was able to get the older (XDDM) driver working under Vista, I cannot seem to find the right combination of sacrificial chickens and unholy incantations required to make the very same driver work under 7 (even though others report success) - a common complaint among those of us stuck with laptops featuring the Intel Graphics Extreme/Extreme 2 (mine's an Electrovaya SC2200).

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  4. save cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use a chalkboard or whiteboard. The former is a proven, time-tested education solution. The latter is respectable and it's cheap.

    1. Re:save cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, because audiotape and longhand notes are irrationally infeasible.
      How in heaven's name did anyone attend college before the 21st century?

    2. Re:save cash by gknoy · · Score: 1

      The point is, he obviously feels he needs it. Having recorded lecture notes (to put on the web, to save for later review, etc) is fantastic. He can even record audio, if he wants, and post that too.

      He might jsut prefer being able to show powerpoint, or use some math software on the screen.

      That said, I loved the massive 6-chalkboard setups at my uni. They ensured the prof didn't lecture faster than we could take notes. :D

    3. Re:save cash by zubiaur · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well, yeah, its a lot more accurate too, i've used many many touchscreen devices and... well...nothing replaces the feel of pen and paper, or even better, chalk and chalkboard (whiteboard sucks :p ), I have seen in many colleges (and not small ones) the use of a projector and a video feed of a piece of paper in which the professor develops the class, its looks good, its easy to write and because its paper, it can be easily scanned, check it out : http://academicearth.org/lectures/limits-and-continuity .

      But if you really want a touchscreen device on the cheap there are touch screen kits for most popular notebooks, just search on ebay. There are also touchscreen monitors bellow the 200 bucks, these can be hooked up to the existing desktop in the classroom and serve just right.

      I would advice you not to set high hopes for resistive touchscreens, they tend to reduce the lcd brightness and contrast while incresing reflections and diffusing the image, if your really really want this implemented try before you buy.

    4. Re:save cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get really annoyed by posts like this, where people like you undermine the question being asked because after reading one paragrah, you think that you are a better judge of what the original poster needs than he is.

    5. Re:save cash by tholomyes · · Score: 1

      ...or even better, chalk and chalkboard (whiteboard sucks :p )...

      Both suck if you're left-handed; you have to write at an odd angle to not erase what you're writing.

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    6. Re:save cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get really annoyed by self-righteous cunts like you who feel the need to white knight for some aspie dipshit who thinks technology will solve every problem if you throw enough money at it.

  5. My advice... wait about... by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...1 year to 18 months. There is a plethora of tablets about to hit the market it seems obvious to me that waiting will yield much more choice and better value. Prices would fall after a handful of competiting products have gotten on the market. This will also put more pressure on netbooks which will become cheaper, and the low end of the full laptop market will ratchet down in price too. Apple, Crunchpad and Microsoft, would be the three I'd seriously consider. A lean towards the latter two depending on what software you want to run.

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    1. Re:My advice... wait about... by ciaohound · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seems to me all college classrooms these days come standard with dedicated pc, projector, document cam, and other goodies. If math apps would benefit from a stylus, why not attach a Wacom tablet? Good bang for the buck until tablet pc's come down in price.

      Most of my reading now is done on the web, and I'm anxious for a touch screen tablet to make that activity seem more like reading a book. But I can wait for the price to come down to within my price range. I am a math teacher, and I have two kids to feed.

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    2. Re:My advice... wait about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The best tablet I owned I have been using nonstop for two years, in work as an IT professional, and in three years of college (I only had this the last two). It's the Lenovo x61 tablet, which was replaced by the x200. Here's a link; let me know if you have any questions:

      http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

    3. Re:My advice... wait about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HP's tx2500 is great for that (its not multitouch, but, meh) Its old enough to be cheep, and powerful enough to last a while still (Running Windows 7 Ultimate on mine and it still flys)

    4. Re:My advice... wait about... by carlzum · · Score: 1

      It may be worth waiting just to see how WACOM's auto-switching dual-mode works out. The technology promises to switch between active (pen) and passive (finger) digitizer modes based on the application. The TabletKiosk eo a7330D is an ultra-mobile PC planned for release in October. The initial price is $1,500, but that may come down as more WACOM Dual Mode devices hit the market. It would give you the "pen and slate" functionality you want for certain applications and still work with the "touch" applications on the newer devices you mentioned.

    5. Re:My advice... wait about... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Seems to me all college classrooms these days come standard with dedicated pc, projector, document cam, and other goodies.

      *All* college classrooms? Where do you teach? Here on earth, where I teach, we're lucky if the room we're teaching in has a projector that we can plug our own laptops into. Dedicated PC? That would be great ... I've occasionally seen a nonfunctional or barely functional old lab computer in the classroom that I have to move out of the way so I can plug my laptop into the VGA slot; I guess that's technically a dedicated PC but it hardly does anyone any good. And a document cam? Damn! Does an overhead projector count?

    6. Re:My advice... wait about... by xous · · Score: 1

      The community college I went to had a projector in every class room. We used to steal a room that had no classes and watch movies. The local university also has a projector and shuttle pc in each podium for the lecture labs.

    7. Re:My advice... wait about... by Troy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is really good advice here. I've used a rebranded (Smart) Wacom tablet in my classrooms for several years now. It takes about a week to get used to, and you sometimes need to push/encourage newbies to keep using it. Once they get used to writing on it, it's fantastic. Beyond that, you aren't tethered to one spot in the room.

      The only downside is, because of the surface, drawing accurate curves (ie. graphing anything that's not linear) is pretty hard. I have a whiteboard that is pretty low glare, so I project directly to the white board, and use a marker to draw over the projection when I have to graph.

      I just bought a tablet this year, and there are some nice things about it, but a wireless tablet is a great low cost (around $300/each) solution.

    8. Re:My advice... wait about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We were about to put in tablet PC's for our new high school when I found a better solution. I recommended that we go with Qomo QIT30's, a wireless digital tablet. It has a wireless USB receiver that plugs into your laptop/projector combo and you can walk around the room using the pen and tablet to write, open programs, adjust volume, etc. It has worked out really well for us. Aside from the expense and weight of a full sized laptop, it is much more durable in the hands of kids (and some careless teachers!).

      I tried to argue that with that setup you don't even need a dry erase whiteboard, but they weren't ready for that jump yet...

  6. Not Toshiba by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

    At my former employer, I had a company-issue Toshiba Tecra M4. Hard locks were common (OS was XP), especially in tablet mode for some reason. Docking station was a piece of junk. I wouldn't have one for personal use even if it was free.

    1. Re:Not Toshiba by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      It's the hard drive connector on the mainboard. They used ZIF cables to connect to the mainboard. The system tends to flex more in tablet mode so it's a lose lose situation. Toshiba tries to market their stuff as higher end than competition (while the hardware is mostly the same) as a way to justify their extra cost. Sadly the system sold outside of Japan don't get very good QAing.

  7. hp is no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Don't buy a hp tx (1000, 2000 series). It will overheat, causing the gpu solder to go bad, leaving you with a dead laptop (intermittently I admit). Screens are also incredibly grainy and something has shielding issues, causing the mouse to jump around. Buy anything but a hp.

  8. No demand by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > It seems nobody has created a new tablet like this in quite sometime

    Because it seems nobody really wants tablet (slate) computers. They are really neat and cool, until you have to *use* them. Then you usually find out that the interface is awkward, viewing the screen is uncomfortable, holding them is strange, and typing on a real keyboard is 100 times faster than trying to "write" or touch virtual keys one at a time.

    Sure, there are some specific applications where they work quite well... but there aren't that many such applications. So demand is low and prices are high. This is one reason manufacturers started flirting with so-called "convertible" tablets- really just a standard notebook but with a swivel, flip tablet-like screen. Of course, those have issues too- they tend to be more fragile, more expensive, and heavier than just a plain notebook.

    1. Re:No demand by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Slates are LIGHT though.

      He could easily put a bluetooth dongle on one, and have a bluetooth mouse and keyboard when he wants to type quickly, and yet still pick it up and walk around his classroom.

    2. Re:No demand by selven · · Score: 1

      So I'm supposed to carry a huge 40cm long keyboard around with me AND a computer? Might as well go back to piles of books.

    3. Re:No demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My daughter (now in sixth grade) attends a private school where all students/families are required to purchase a specific tablet through the school for use starting with ninth grade. I don't know the specifics, but they run Windows XP and cost about $2500. A lot of families have complained about why their kids have to use such an expensive machine, especially now that that netbooks have helped drive down the prices of all portables. I've been trying to make a case for OpenOffice/Linux instead of MS Office/Windows, and have been told that the handwriting recognition part is what makes Windows mandatory, as well as "they need to learn MS Office because that is what the real world uses".

    4. Re:No demand by markdavis · · Score: 1

      Make sure to tell them that if they are a REAL school, they then should teach the *CONCEPTS* of using word processing, spreadsheet, etc. Teaching to a specific program only (MS-Office) is a cop-out. It is far more valuable to be flexible than to memorize a specific program.

    5. Re:No demand by SirWinston · · Score: 1

      > Because it seems nobody really wants tablet (slate) computers.

      I have to disagree, because no major company has actually created a decent slate computer. They came close, but then Microsoft came along and ruined the market with their Tablet PC specifications which went in the wrong direction. It really comes down to pen vs. touch issues, and that's where and how Microsoft killed the market.

      Slates with pen inputs had of course been around for many years and had become common in many business, industrial, and math/engineering niches. They're ideal for those sorts of uses by the tech saavy or industrial/delivery workers, but the average user wasn't going to like the need to always use a pen even for basic pointing. Computers with touchscreen inputs had of course been around for many years and were becoming common in public kiosk and collaborative/joint learning installations, and even trickling down to your neighborhood Wawas, Verizon stores, record stores, etc. The public liked their touch-and-ye-shall-receive ease of use, but they were common to fixed installations and not portable. The best of both worlds, and the way to make slates appeal to mainstream audiences, is clearly to graft touchscreen input onto the slate form factor. Several companies like Viewsonic had just begun to make touchscreen slates with mainstream appeal and competitive pricing (although underpowered), when Microsoft came out with the Tablet PC spec which demanded pen digitizer input. Granted, touchscreens aren't ideal for handwriting and precision drawing while pen input is, but palm-rejection technologies of the day made them passable for handwriting and they were only going to improve. But specifically because of the Tablet PC specs Microsoft drew up, every major company dropped touchscreen slate PCs for the same old pen computers which had always been available, practically overnight. The only touchscreen slates which ever came to market from mainstream makers were first-gen models with slow CPUs, unacceptable 800x600 displays, or other issues. They were never given a chance. Microsoft wanted to reserve touchscreen input for their expensive, underpowered, and tiny-screened UMPC spec, gadgets which have always been almost prohibitively expensive and therefore never been popular.

      Fast forward to the iPod Touch, proof that mainstream customers do like and want touchscreen input. HP and a few other companies have now been releasing--for the first time in nearly 5 years--tablet PCs (albeit convertibles, not slates) priced competitively with mainstream laptops which contain touchscreen input (and some like the HPs have both touchscreen and pen digitizers, making them truly the best of all possible worlds). So, touchscreen tablet pcs are only just now being given a decent chance, after Microsoft fudged up the emerging market years ago with their short-sighted inclusion of pen digitizers but not touchscreens in their tablet PC spec.

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  9. NorhTec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try these guys.
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/yc2dwco [norhtec.com]
    It's a great price at $435.
    I'm sure the battery life is greater than average by looking at the hardware.
    It certainly is basic.
    And yes, it does run Linux.

    1. Re:NorhTec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the battery life is greater than average by looking at the hardware.

      It looks like you wrote the manual!

  10. Tablets are Awkward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pen based input is a terrible way to input information for most uses. Typing a 'w' takes 1 keypress, while writing a 'w' takes 4 pen strokes. Multiply this hassle times every character you ïenter, and the problem becomes clear. Additionally, your computer doesn't have to try and parse what keystrokes make a 'w' when you type it on a keyboard. The icing on the cake is that the pen based parts of Windows XP Tablet (and I'm guessing Vista for Tablets) are awkwardly bolted on over an operating system designed to be run by mouse and keyboard. Long story short, for most uses a tablet will just frustïrate you to tears.

    There are some applications where it makes sense, and maybe complicated mathematics is one of them. Check with your academic tech department and see if they have an old one lying around that you can experiment with (our college did), and try to use it for everyday tasks like email and web surfing before you open your wallet.

    If a tablet works for you, there are some good deals on old hardware. I got an old Toshiba M200 on lease buyout for $300 a few years ago, and it still runs flawlessly and does what I need. Also, recording audio from a classroom is an entirely separate problem, and you'll do much better using a separate voice recorder with directional recording and internal noise cancellation for that job.

  11. Work with local guys by martinX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who works in a multimedia department that co-ordinates AV purchases for a government institution (or at least tries to), my advice is to work with your AV guys on this one. Get a comprehensive solution that works for everyone. Otherwise you'll have a situation where you, the keen individual, will have a working solution that only you can use. Others will want one and either do something themselves (badly) or pressure the AV guys into implementing something too fast, too soon. Then whatever you have done will not work with what they have done.

    I see keen individuals all the time. Work with the people whose job it is to get this working.

    And what the guy said about waiting 12 - 18 months is spot on. Remember how many touchscreen phones there were and how good they were before the iPhone came along? Exactly. The landscape is about to change and adopting new tech now will be expensive. Wait.

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    1. Re:Work with local guys by lotsotech · · Score: 1

      As an AV guy that works with higher-ed and government on occasion I wholly support this comment.

  12. We use(d) Gateway M285/M295s by _spider_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work at a school district here in California that we've used OEM'd Gateway M285/M295 tablet PCs for a few years, and they've served their purpose. We've got hundreds of these units.

    The good:
    They do what they're advertised, and thats it. The math teachers like them, and thats about their only purpose.

    The bad:
    The drivers are funky. They seem to only work well with the factory image (LOADED with junkware). This makes creating and maintaining software images for the units cumbersome, not to mention the seemingly impossible task of finding a virgin version of WindowsXP Tablet Edition. The displays aren't very bright, which is painful in well-lit classrooms. The physical design (especially the keyboard) doesn't seem to hold well to a lot of use. Battery life is decent.

    The worst:
    The original OEM who we purchased them through has gone belly up. Even though our laptops had warranties, they all mean nothing now. Gateway doesn't support us. And the pens seem to fail at an alarming rate, and cost $79-99 each.

    On the flipside, our district is moving to Mac, and thats been working very well. Apple's support for education makes you wonder why the rest of the industry hasn't caught up (its the customer, stupid!). We're at a standstill right now as to what to do with our aging tablets (that we get ZERO support for now). We don't want to get stuck in the same position as before, but Apple is also a proprietary system (but their support is awesome!!!).

    I really, really like to see some good web-apps (ala Google Apps), or mutli-platform/open-source software that the students can use.

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    1. Re:We use(d) Gateway M285/M295s by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm....$99 pens that fail at an alarming rate. By design perhaps? Now how does that happen and why do they cost $99?

    2. Re:We use(d) Gateway M285/M295s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The pens fail because they have a aaaa battery in them that doesn't last forever (yes that's 4 a's). It's soldered at both ends rather than on a spring or something.

      I tried to modify a pen to have a replaceable battery on a spring and all that - I should have just soldered a new one in because with all the fiddling I did I managed to break the tip.

      Also, the pens may not be designed to come apart, the one I took apart was one that had been altered by someone else, badly, once already and it came apart easily. But they had melted the plastic and it wasn't really straight anymore and didn't fit in the pen holder. Also the melted bits didn't look good.

      The pens on those don't have tilt compensation, the calibration program sucks, and the standard driver doesn't support pressure sensitivity, though the hardware does.

      There used to be a driver for photoshop that supported the sensitivity for that pen, but since the company was sued out of business by a patent troll, I haven't been able to find the driver. Also following the directions to get the pen working in Ubuntu have failed me numerous times.

      The digitizer is slow (lags behind your drawing) and as I said the calibration sucks so you can expect the mouse to be a few centimeters off all the time.

      Still, it's a great computer apart from being obsolete and having an inferior digitizer, so it's kinda a deal if you can find one used.

    3. Re:We use(d) Gateway M285/M295s by MunchMunch · · Score: 1

      I also have an M285, bought in a fit of irrational exuberance over tablet PCs. Basically, if you think of it like a laptop with some extra tablet support, it's great. But as a tablet device, it's pretty much a failure.

      The main issue is, as mentioned, the digitizer. It's probably around 5 pixels inaccurate at its most extreme points, no matter how you calibrate it, and I went through about 4 pen replacements while under warranty and I never had one working for more than a few months. Currently I'm stuck with the last pen, which works for about 30 minutes after a reboot, and then starts jumping all over the screen and fails to register dragged clicks consistently (a problem when you're doing text recognition and it picks up a glitch as a "lift and reclick").

      The other problem was Gateway support, which was somewhere between awful and terrible. They have American call centers, which you'd think is a benefit--but really, the scripted responses and unwillingness to really consider my specific problems were all the same as the worst foreign call centers. After spending about a year with them trying to work out whether my digitizer (in)accuracy problem was a design or manufacturing flaw, and them unable to give me any useful feedback or options whatsoever, I finally told them I wouldn't be buying anymore Gateway products.

      I paid probably about $1700 for mine in 2006. If you can get one for a few hundred bucks nowadays, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, look elsewhere.

    4. Re:We use(d) Gateway M285/M295s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one of those Gateways, and their choice to use a no-name knock-off instead of Wacom hardware for the active digitizer was the fatal flaw that caused that expense. There was a strange "charging" function to the pens, making them unwieldy to use, and highly prone to glitches and failure. I'm not sure they ever fixed the pressure glitches it had in Photoshop, because I unloaded it on someone who wanted it only for a laptop, first chance I got.

  13. Of HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Fujitsu seems the best by mike.rimov · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a Fujitsu T4210 for a few years and after seeing people struggle with LOUSY HP and Dell notebooks, I was very surprised at how zippy that little tablet was. (Can't comment on the latest round of tablets). It was fairly robust as well... survived a 3 ft plunge onto a concrete floor (I wouldn't recommend it as a regular practice though!)

    Whatever you do be sure to uninstall the Norton Security trialware that comes with it. Performance will be significantly better.

    1. Re:Of HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Fujitsu seems the best by AniVisual · · Score: 0

      I have a FUJITSU T4220. Let me just add that the FUJITSU Lifebook tablets guzzle battery power like an air-conditioner. Battery hour was 3 hr max, or so it was advertized. Mine lasted 1 hr 30 min.

  14. Direct Link by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Here. Let me save the planet a few man-hours of copy/pasting: Link.

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    1. Re:Direct Link by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Dang shift key. Here.

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  15. Lenovo x61t by kcitren · · Score: 1

    The thinkpad tablets are good. Nice battery life, sturdy as hell, linux compatible. The only think I don't like about it is the resolution [the one I've got is 1024x768, can't seem to work with that low a resolution anymore, but I think they offer a new higher res one now],

    1. Re:Lenovo x61t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thinkpad tablets are good. Nice battery life, sturdy as hell, linux compatible. The only think I don't like about it is the resolution [the one I've got is 1024x768, can't seem to work with that low a resolution anymore, but I think they offer a new higher res one now],

      X61t with a high-res (SXGA+, 1400x1050) screen is awesome, but discontinued. Most tablets I see these days are WXGA (1366x768), including all the lenovo thinkpads (X200). The difference in resolution is pretty significant, and an absolute show-stopper in my opinion.

    2. Re:Lenovo x61t by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      ...linux compatible.

      Cool. Has anyone here had experience with handwriting recognition on Linux? That's one thing I've never tried in over 15 years of using Linux. Trouble is, my handwriting is pretty idiosyncratic, so I suspect it might be a tall order for any software to cope with it... :-(

    3. Re:Lenovo x61t by Fraggy_the_undead · · Score: 2, Informative

      the only thing I've tried so far is cellwriter, which works fairly well, but it's symbol based rather than word based like the hand writing recognition software of Vista. So it takes longer and isn't nearly as fun to use.

  16. just a suggestion by chelroms · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    i've been studying and searching for good devices.... i only recommend to read on this site maybe the one you are fits the gadgets in here... here yu go mr. dosert...http://www.techandgizmo.com

  17. My solution by plague911 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dont do it. My school had exactly what your trying to do and they got rid of it because it cost an arm and a leg to do it right. I personally like the feature but they basically needed a dedicated room and production crew to do it. (They did it for a while so students could video commute to class). For me as a TA and a student the best solution has been simply use a projector which can project a piece of paper and scan the paper later and post it online. If you really want some kind of video. The best option ive seen is a laptop with power point hooked up to a projector and a external microphone. If you want a tablet esq feature get a usb drawing pad for 100 bucks....itll save you an arm and a leg.... Its funny around here you see a lot of old professors using tablets etc however most of the younger professors use the old fashioned tech. I think part of growing up with all the technology is realizing when not to use it..

    1. Re:My solution by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      I worked IT at a college, we had desktops with projectors already, and we went with hitachi Starboard monitors. They were roughly in your budget, but they will last a bit longer, since they don't have to be replaced every few years because they get slow. We had the exact same needs, teaching math in an interactive way, that we could save the teachers lecture notes, and play back later online for students that were home.

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    2. Re:My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second the Hitachi Starboard monitors.

    3. Re:My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's neither as hard nor as expensive as you think it is. You are correct that you need support staff to do remote, and more bandwidth than your management will believe, but it's possible.

      I'm a staff MCT. We have a branch office to which we do remote all the time. We use Polycom hardware and any largish TV for seeing each other (this keeps the people in the branch office engaged).

      I do a ton of boardwork, which doesn't project well, so I use my tablet (ancient, Toshiba R15) and send that locally to the projector, and to a separate video link to the remote office. This second link goes to monitors between the students that they watch.

      We also do remote with audio only, for customers with any reasonable bandwidth. We use GoToMyPC so that the students are working on images that we control, and so I can see what they are doing and help them. We use a combination of whatever IM client the students want (I just use Trillian) for side conversations, and Communicator for shared desktops. I can use my tablet to send boardwork to these people.

      Yes, it was expensive and difficult for the IT guy to set up, and we needed an additional T1. That said, it paid for itself in the first 3 months. We started with a pilot and then tripled it. It's making a profit because we get people we wouldn't have otherwise been able to sell to.

      You don't need a special room at all. We have eight classrooms and have taught all 3 scenarios: local, remote to branch office, and remote to anywhere all at the same time in any room we need.

      YMMV.

      Waccom tablets, IMO, suck if you get used to a tablet. I guess they're OK of you don't mind writing on something where you can't see what you're writing, and having to look somewhere else, but with a tablet, you don't have that problem.

  18. Fujitsu LifeBook T Series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had a Fujitsu LifeBook T4215 for nearly 3 years as my primary computer. It's still alive and kickin'.

    It's been incredibly reliable, still reasonably powerful, and works great in Linux. I'm currently running Fedora 11 x64 and the tablet features worked with zero configuration.

    However, I question the effectiveness of using a tablet PC for instruction. Virginia Tech's College of Engineering has had a policy of requiring the tablet convertible format for several years. Very few students use it for taking notes after freshman year where it is required.

    Lesson = Technology doesn't automatically mean your students will be better engaged. It usually means they're surfing the internet or playing solitaire while pretending to pay attention in class.

  19. Same place by icepick72 · · Score: 1

    Wherever the tablet PC went, the multitouch will likely follow, and for the same reasons, many I'm sure are posted in here somewhere by others.

  20. I've had a tablet for two+ years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I have been using my ASUS R1F-K049E since August 2007 which works like a charm. I got tired of doing "Insert >> Symbol" for all of the greek letters, which for any engineering equation there's bound to be about 5 per line. The operating system that came with the tablet PC was Windows Vista Business, which doesn't have the bloatware and Windows Media Center, so it wasn't as resource intensive. When Windows 7 came out I've been using it since beta, and even with 2GB of RAM it works great.

    When you're looking for tablets, be sure to study how the tablet is designed and how it vents. My ASUS has one large vent that vents outward when you're writing (turned 90 degrees) so it doesn't burn your hand when you're writing for hours. Also beware of what's on the side of the tablet as well. If you hold the tablet against your chest while walking around in the halls while writing (or rushing between classes like I do), then you want to be aware of what buttons you're pressing. My ASUS had a problem because I kept hitting the DVD drive's eject button. But I solved the problem by taking that drive out altogether and getting a second battery to put in. It extended my battery life from 2.5 hours to about 8 hours - which is pretty cool if you're on a long plane ride across the US.

    Also, I've tried a few tablets out after I bought my ASUS. The old HP ones didn't have very good response when writing and I kept on having to stab the monitor with my stylus to get any response at all. The ASUS one is pretty awesome, but since it's not multitouch, you can't use your fingers. Also the Fujitsu one's pretty good too.

    Lastly, only get a tablet PC if and only if you don't require video acceleration. Most tablet PCs only come with 'integrated video", which is only great for business graphics, but anything that has to do with gaming or modeling/CAD work will make your computer lag. Hope this helps.

  21. Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by who's+got+my+nicknam · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work in the tech department for a small public school district with a heavy emphasis on educational technology integration in the classroom (we have a 1:1 laptop program as well). A few years ago, we did an experiment with tablet PCs, where we purchased 5 different models from the major vendors (IBM, HP, Fujitsu, Acer, and Toshiba), played around with them, and then offered them to a few teachers to try out. The only one we had any success with was the HP tc4200, which was given to a Primary teacher who used it extensively for a year.

    The Thinkpad was the best unit in terms of 'feel'- it was light, solid, with a good battery life. However, both the first and second models we got were sent back because of poor performance (very slow to boot up, high latency during operation, and a tendency to run very hot). The Fujitsu was too heavy, as was the Toshiba. The Acer (Travelmate C200) was great in terms of performance (dedicated 256MB Nvidia graphics, 2GB RAM, etc), but was a bit bulky due to its built-in optical drive. In addition, Acer's method of sliding the screen up from the slate position was stupid, locking it into one angle when using the unit as a notebook. I'm using that one as a gaming platform now (three years later!). The HP tc4200 was, quite frankly, the best tablet I have ever used. It's light, sturdy (not quite as solid-feeling as the Thinkpad), and quick. The lady who used it said she never felt it was annoying to carry it around her classroom for most of the day. In addition to the tablet, we gave her a wifi-enabled projector, so she could work untethered while moving about, and this worked perfectly.

    My suggestion is to get one of the tc4200's- they are dead cheap these days, and you can upgrade the RAM and hard drive easily if you wish. I have seen them for $400. Not only that, but you can even shoehorn OS X onto them if you are bored- I did that with our for shiggles and it was awesome for a few days before I missed my Macbook Pro too much!

    Most projectors these days have built-in wifi for wireless projection (at least from Windows computers!), and this can really make a huge difference for instructors.

    From a pedagogical perspective, you can even justify the cheap route and buy a bluetooth-enabled Wacom tablet. Sure, you don't get a screen built in, but for $250 you get the mobility of the tablet, as well as all the functionality of the penabled software such as Smart or Promethean offer. You can mark up notes, documents, etcetera and save your notes, email them to your students, and so on.

    But my money's on the tc4200.

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    1. Re:Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by _spider_ · · Score: 1

      Are these tablets in use by the students (grades 6-12) or by teachers? Ours are used almost exclusively by students.

      I thought of the Wacom solution as well, but, the problems become having a more complicated setup to be over-seen by a teacher with 28-36 students in a classroom that wasn't originally designed for computers. So, they have to be put away, charged, taken out and used the next period.

      On the flip side, we also have a lot of Windows-only software (Fun with Construction, etc.). We have both Promethean and SMART boards as well - thankfully they work on Mac too, but Linux support needs to be looked at.

      I'd really like to hear more about your program and the challenges you've encountered.... j o s h v o g e l g e s a n g ((( a ))) g m a i l . c o m

      The hackintosh method has crossed my mind, but, obviously there is that little legal issue. :)

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    2. Re:Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by ami.one · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. Have been using a TC 4400 for nearly 4 years now. In fact I have been looking to upgrade since a year but it still seems better or at least as good as the newer models like X200 or TX2 etc. Only upgraded the RAM some time back so that I could run Win7 and the HDD so i could dualboot PCLinux and still have space for a lot of data. I think if you ask long time users you'll find TC4200/4400 to be the best and cheapest solution. As good as any other laptop and with all tablet functions.

    3. Re:Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by who's+got+my+nicknam · · Score: 1

      Meh, legal, schmegal. You can now do an install off a retail Snow Leopard disc, so all you're violating is the EULA, which probably won't hold water anyhow!

      Am following up with an email...

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    4. Re:Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      My biggest issue with using tablets (the external kind) is the lack of direct and precise feedback. With my mouse it's at rest and I'm moving muscles very little to get a response.

      With pens they are never really at rest. It's either so close to the table that the cursor is jumping all over the place, touching and thus triggering a ton of inputs, or not close enough to move the cursor, giving me no clue where the bloody thing will jump the next time.

      And unlike a mouse I can't just lift the pen away from the surface and move it to the other edge or middle, because that's not how they work.

      What I would like to see is a large tablet with a screen underneath. Shouldn't be a touch sensitive screen, just one that works with the pen, so I can see, what I'm doing directly, i.e. the table's width/height is the screen's pixel width/height. Then it doesn't matter if the table is 4x6 inches, 8x12 or whatever, because I'd have a direct visible connection with it.

    5. Re:Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second the TC4200 recommendation - I'm actually posting this from a TC4200. I supported about 20 of these in a medical clinic with minimal hassles for 2 years. The only problem any of the docs or nurses ever had was one unit that had a bad ambient light sensor - sometimes the screen would just turn off or dim down, and only a reboot would 'fix' it. Used 4200s are cheap these days, and so is laptop DDR2. One last caveat - they take IDE drives, and you can't shoehorn a SATA in there comfortably.

    6. Re:Speaking from an ICT integration perspective... by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      "Unlike a mouse I can't lift it..."

      Incorrect; almost all tablet drivers support both absolute and relative cursor positioning.

      "What I would like to see is a large tablet with a screen underneath."

      Google 'Cintiq'. Then go win the lottery in order to pay for one. They are a dream to use, however.

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  22. Looked at a Cintiq? by LinkFree · · Score: 1

    Have you considered using a Cintiq? It's fairly inexpensive by comparison, and should work with just about any computer. I haven't used one myself, but I know a few people who swear by them for working in photoshop, so it should offer the precision you're looking for.

  23. The problem is your budget by ZosX · · Score: 1

    Niche portable devices are never cheap. Your requirements are pretty low. Why not just shop around for some older (cheaper) tech that needs some love? All it needs to do is record sound. Portable usb microphone? HP Compaq Tablet PC Tc4200 is just a hair over $700 used. How much more power do you need for notetaking/voice recording/video playback/mathmatica? Drop in 2 gigs of ram (the max) and windows 7 and you are set. Judging from prices I doubt any newer models will get much cheaper and will likely hover in the $1500 range or so. Personally I don't see this sort of thing taking off. Graphic designers might drool over the idea, but the average user needs a keyboard. As another has suggested a wacom tablet may be a pretty good compromise, or, even alternatively, a cheap desktop PC with a touchscreen display. Throw in a cheap project and you can do a lot of things. Though not as portable, you could easily put it on an AV cart and wheel it around. It could easily be cheaper than $1000 as long not taking it home isn't an issue. Not as sexy, but I think on your budget you might want to start looking at compromises given whats's on the market right now and what it costs. A $500 laptop and even a $500 touchscreen would meet your needs pretty well. I've reread your question several times now and I can't seem to figure out if your are either buying the tablet for yourself or planning a buy for your department. Hope that gives you some ideas.

  24. Big Chief by davidwr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Biggest Carbon-based Tablet for a child - Big Chief writing tablet.

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  25. Wacom Cintiq 12WX by DivemasterJoe · · Score: 1

    For my mathematics lectures I have been very happy with my Wacom Cintiq 12WX. It is portable, has a reasonable surface area for writing, and a nice "feel". My personal preference is for Smart Technologies Notebook 10 software but other vendors, such as Interwrite, have similar products. The Smart Technologies software does require a $300 license when used on a non-Smart branded tablet so together with the $1000 for the Cintiq 12WX my setup is a little beyond your stated budget.

  26. 4 ways I have tried this for CS4102 at U. VA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have had the same dilemma. I teach an algorithms course at UVA; it is math- and proof-centric. I wanted the ability to "write like one might on a black board" but to also record my writing and my audio so that my lectures can be easily posted online for students to review later. I have used several different tools for this task:

    (1) Toshiba Tecra? Windows tablet/Powerpoint/Camtasia. I would make my slides in Keynote. Export to Powerpoint. Give lecture on the Toshiba, use Camtasia to record, and then export to a flash and ipod format for the web. The best part of this is that Powerpoint+Camtasia+Tablet is well-integrated. Powerpoint allows you to mark up a slide using the tablet and save the strokes. Keynote and Powerpoint-on-Mac do not have this feature. However, this laptop belonged to a colleague. It was old, faulty, and involved hassles. Fonts would be routinely messed up between Keynote and Powerpoint. I researched new windows tablets to buy, but could not bring myself to buy one. I happen to use a Mac; I feel anxiety and unctuousness when I have to interact with a windows interface.

    (2) Instead, I purchased a Wacom Cintiq 15" display. You can connect it to any laptop, and you can write on it like a tablet. It is also pressure sensitive; a pleasure to use. I used this with my Airbook in the following bizarre combo: Airbook-->VGA splitter--1-->projector and --2--> to Cintiq. Thus, I would get one presenter display for the airbook and one screen on the Cintiq/projector that was public. Unfortunately, Keynote did not allow writing on slides. Either did Powerpoint-on-mac to my surprise! I tried various "screen grafitti" applications on top of Keynote, but none of them would allow the markup to be saved. Finally, I came upon the "Jarnal" program---an open source program written in Java---that allows a notebook functionality. You can import PDF files into it and annotate them. Thus, my workflow is something like: Make slides in keynote--->Export to PDF--->open as background in Jarnal--->Lecture. Jarnal can also record the strokes and play them back. However, I found that a screen capture program "iShowU HD" could capture both audio and everyone that was presented. I would then transcode this into flash and post. This worked for 1.5 semesters. Jarnal is sometimes flaky. It does not render PDF correctly all the time. However, it exports your strokes to PDF, and it saves them in an easy to read .jaj file for future processing. We also use jarnal to grade homeworks online and return them online (no paper printing!),

    (3) My current setup is this: Axiotron Modbook + Jarnal + Camtasia for Mac. The Modbook is a mac tablet. I thought it would be fantastic, but it hasnt really solved all of the problems. The pen/tablet interface is fine on the Modbook---but a little flaky sometimes. Jarnal is open source; and I really believe in using open source when I can. The recently released Camtastia for Mac works very well, but misses an important feature that the Windows version has: it allows the slides or pages that you use in your lecture to be bookmarked. The Mac version, however, is intuitive to use for me, and I have given 9 lectures so far without too many problems. It is also very convenient to come to class with just a tablet (instead of the contraption in (2)). You can see the results of some of these lectures from say http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~shelat/4102/2009/09/23/l9/#more-179 (skip over the first 15 min which is a guest speaker discussing if you want to see the jarnal/writing part). I do not use keynote animations (only drawings of data structures, algorithms, etc). Thus, the setup is the best one for me overall.

    (4) Cheapest and surprisingly good solution: The Livescribe pen. (I received one to try for free, but it is only $129). You must write on special paper with dots. The pen has a camera and a microphone. You can give lecture and use one of those "overhead camera" contraptions that takes a picture of what you are wri

    1. Re:4 ways I have tried this for CS4102 at U. VA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a small Wacom graphics tablet which I use with my MacBook Pro. It works quite well; people often ask me whether it is difficult to write without direct visual feedback, and the answer is "initially, yes, but not after a small amount of practice". The Cintiq sounds like an awesome but much more expensive (and much more complicated) version of the same thing.

      I have one thing to add to the parent's setup: try the Skim PDF reader. It allows you to handwrite on top of any PDF (I export mine from Keynote) and save the annotations. It works much better than any of the alternatives I've tried. The authors of Skim recently added the ability to write in presentation mode, which was previously absent.

      And for those who think that "nobody wants a tablet PC": have you looked at all of the descriptions above of the badly-designed and badly-made tablet PCs?!?? It's not a surprise that these didn't sell -- clearly nobody wants a crappy tablet PC. I still think that if someone made a good one it would sell well. Here's hoping that Apple eventually gives it a try...

  27. Always Innovating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dumb name but atleast their product has actually shipped. Of course it's an ARM processor so it won't run Windows except for whatever their portable thing is. It's also a little light on ram and disk space but I think if I needed it, I'd just use it to VNC/NX/RDP into an actual workstation to do those tasks. http://www.alwaysinnovating.com

  28. Want something dirt cheap? Very cool device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's basically a pen input that allows you to record voice as well. Perfect for a student or teacher and very afordable.

    http://www.livescribe.com/index.html

  29. ASUS R1F nice, also consider standalone like MOBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an ASUS R1F and have been really happy with it. You might also consider a standalone tablet, there are several out there that are designed to be used in the classroom, such as the MOBI from eInstruction. Combined with the Workspace software that comes with it, it would meet your goals. Although no multi-touch but the cost is no where near the price of a whole new machine.

    MOBI
    http://einstruction.com/products/interactive_teaching/mobi/index.html

  30. The best tablet is a notebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A notebook is a tablet with useful entry devices (keyboard, trackpad) and a monitor stand (the base), and can do everything else you asked for.

  31. Do NOT get a HP TX. by srothroc · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have the misfortune to have an HP TX, from the 2xxx series. They have massive overheating problems, some of them have cores that won't actually run at the advertised frequency, and worse still, the wacom layer will NOT work properly due to the overheating problems.

    The way they're designed, the primary vent is on the rear right-hand side of the laptop. If you use the laptop for a while and it starts getting hot (and boy does it get hot), that vent will screw with the wacom layer, causing your cursor to jump to the lower-right corner of the screen and right- and left-click randomly in that area. Yeah, right there, where the system tray is. You can imagine the problems this causes.

    The only way to prevent this from happening is to disable the wacom layer entirely, in which case you have an expensive, underpowered laptop with a bright screen and a single shoddy hinge assembly. No touch or wacom interface at all. It completely defeats the purpose of having a tablet PC.

    I contacted HP about this several times and they refused to admit that it was their problem, despite the fact that numerous other people have complained about it as well. It's a crippling defect. This crappy product and their crappy service have completely turned me off of all HP products. Do not even consider the TX series.

    1. Re:Do NOT get a HP TX. by srothroc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a side note, there are a bunch of posts like this about the TX series in this thread alone, yet they've all been modded down. I wonder why.

    2. Re:Do NOT get a HP TX. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I got a TX series exactly two years ago and I thought it was awesome until the NVIDIA GPU took a shit this week. Supposedly it heats up enough that after a while the BGA solder joints go bad. Others reported the same symptoms I had (first the wireless went out, followed by total system failure), so I believe this to be the issue. Conveniently for HP, it's out of warranty and they don't have to do jack shit about it.

      The ENGLISH speakers even called me back today and said they'd get me a case manager so please hold for a few minutes.
      I turned down the TV and waited, hoping it meant they'd actually do something for me, only for the case manager to tell me that since there wasn't a recall on the TX in particular for this problem and since the warranty is expired, I would have to pay to fix it.. you know, the exact same thing the Indian call center told me earlier in the week.
      Waste of time.

      I didn't raise a shitstorm with them (maybe I should have) but I won't give them another dime of my money unless I hear that they really get their act together.

    3. Re:Do NOT get a HP TX. by odoitau · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second that.

      In the school district where I work, we bought some HP tx1000 tablets for the math department. After a few weeks, they refused to use them, and we had to replace them with Gateway TA-6 and TA-7s.

      The biggest difference I found was that the tx1000 series laptops don't have the same touch screen as a tablet. The screen works similarly to a Palm touchscreen (the stylus is simply a piece of plastic, and you can interact with the touchscreen using your fingers.) However, I found the screen is highly inaccurate, and loses calibration faster than an old cheap joystick. After the screen broke and I had it replaced, the touchscreen won't even calibrate at all - it thinks it's a couple inches to the right or something.

      Our math teachers use Gateway tablets and they're satisfied - the Gateways are more solid, the hinge is better, and the Wacom touchscreens are orders of magnitude better than the shoddy HP trash.

      However, the silver lining is that the HP tablet is small and light - the screen is about the size of a US letter sheet of paper, and the machine is lighter than the Gateway tablets we have. Of course, that doesn't really mean anything if the touchscreen doesn't live up.

      Oh yeah, and my experience with HP tech support... well, it left a lot to be desired. As in, I desired that I'd bought a Dell. Or had splinters driven under my fingernails.

      So, I can't really tell you what to buy, but I can tell you what *not* to buy. Don't buy HP. The last decent product they made was the 48GX. Everything after that's been crap, IMHO.

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    4. Re:Do NOT get a HP TX. by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      I've got a TX2524 running ubuntu 9.04. I have absolutely no heating problems whatsoever, though it did overheat in Vista and earlier versions of Ubuntu. As well, my cores and frequency scaling work no problem.

    5. Re:Do NOT get a HP TX. by tehSpork · · Score: 2, Informative

      The tx2xxx series also tends to ship with Broadcom wireless cards that have an alarming failure rate, we've had to replace untold numbers of these.

      Between this and the problems with most of the rest of the HP laptops we see coming in at work my opinion of HP has gone from bad to worse in the last couple years.

    6. Re:Do NOT get a HP TX. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used a tx 2xxx for more than a year now without that problem. Yes it does get hot. I have seen the sensors read >200F, but I has worked flawlessly though it all. The broadcom wireless chipset is flaky at best, but if you want a good tablet, its not bad for the price. The only problem I have had is that the wacom needs to be recalibrated fairly regularly( read monthly), but after recalibration, which takes 1 minute, it works like a champ. It even runs some rather intensive applications like OpNet without issue.

  32. TX2000 looks nice by FishOuttaWater · · Score: 1

    My kid just got an HP TX2000 from eBay for ~$500 to do his flash graphics, college physics, diff-eq's and such. It's a 12" screen, dual cores, has a decent graphics card for a laptop, and seems to work pretty well for him on the whole. When he's not doing his homework, he's playing games on the thing even though he has a new quad-core desktop with whizzy graphics just down the stairs, so clearly the performance is more than adequate. Much to my surprise, I see him using the pen as much as the keyboard, so the pen interface is not a case of "seemed like a good idea at the time." Too soon to say anything about reliability, though. Best of luck in your search. - Tim.

    1. Re:TX2000 looks nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My kid just got an HP TX2000 from eBay for ~$500 to do his flash graphics, college physics, diff-eq's and such.

      It's a 12" screen, dual cores, has a decent graphics card for a laptop, and seems to work pretty well for him on the whole.

      When he's not doing his homework, he's playing games on the thing even though he has a new quad-core desktop with whizzy graphics just down the stairs, so clearly the performance is more than adequate.

      Much to my surprise, I see him using the pen as much as the keyboard, so the pen interface is not a case of "seemed like a good idea at the time."

      Too soon to say anything about reliability, though.

      Best of luck in your search.

              - Tim.

      Adopt me?

  33. Tablet or smartboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we talking tablet or smart boards that can capture your lectures? What about a wii remote and infrared ped?
    http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/

    cheers

  34. Taking math notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those of you reading this from the student's perspective, allow me to tell you a story. It's short.

    I'm currently a math student. This spring, I took set theory from a professor who eats symbol spaghetti for breakfast. As an experiment I decided to take all my notes on my laptop. Not by drawing with a tablet pen, but just by typing.

    And you know what? It worked impressively well, thanks to lyx. Once you learn a few hotkeys and all the \kitchensink latex math names, it's no problem to keep up with a fast paced math lecture. The only thing I couldn't do was draw figures, but seeing as it was set theory this wasn't a big deal.

    As for the original question, consider preparing slides beforehand with something like Beamer, or using pen/paper or a small whiteboard under the document camera, before jumping into something as complicated as trying to record everything from a tablet computer.

  35. Livescribe Pulse pen. by jddj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been using the Livescribe since June of this year in my meetings, and it'd be perfect for this use, particularly if you're the lecturer (vs. listening to the lecturer in a large hall).

    Livescribe records your handwriting and your audio, synchronizes them, allow you to play back your audio from any point in the recording by touching the spot in the notes later (on the notebook, or on your computer), and allows you to upload the notes and audio to a community site. It does a really good job at recording your voice, and there's room for many hours of it on the pen. It's a good writing instrument (much better than the cheap-ballpoint tip in the "Fly Pentop" which uses the same handwriting technology, but doesn't record audio, isn't as polished an experience).

    You'll want the pen, and a few of the hardback journals (so they provide something solid to write on as you pace or stroll).

    the 2GB pen (vs. the 1GB) is $199, can find it at any Target, and comes with one Livescribe notebook (you'll need to use Livescribe's special paper, but they offer a number of good, flexible and classy options).

    Much lighter than a pentop, and arguably less fragile, less of a theft target.

    Only downsides:

    • The pen is completely round and will roll off your podium if you don't tend to it. When it hits the floor, it will break.
    • If it does so prior to a synchronization with your Mac or PC, you'll lose whatever's on it and not-yet-synced.
    • You can't move pen content back onto the pen.
    • You don't have any control over line weight. If you sketch a lot, you'll have to double- or triple- stroke lines to add weight, learn to crosshatch for shadowing and filling.
    • You'll run out of ink before you run out of paper - keep spares around.
    • Finally the Mac and PC software uses different data models, and you can't exchange data between the two, nor move from one platform to the other.

    These things don't stop the pen from being quite useful. More info at Livescribe site.

    1. Re:Livescribe Pulse pen. by zobier · · Score: 1

      I came in to suggest the LiveScribe too, you can use it in conjunction with a overhead webcam + projector thingy.

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    2. Re:Livescribe Pulse pen. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention that the application software it uses is utterly shit. Even requires one to be logged in as an admin user on some versions of Windows.

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    3. Re:Livescribe Pulse pen. by jddj · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd agree to that: the Livescribe Desktop software is not good.

      In addition to the fact that the data isn't portable Mac <=> PC (the real sin in my eyes):

      • The software is very modal, and you wind up having to switch screens to do simple, related things
      • It can't do simple management tasks like multiple selection for deletes or OCR.
      • Can't do multiple selection at all, much less multiple-discontiguous selection for any purpose.
      • Won't allow you to do any kind of editing (you leave the pen recording for an extra 30 minutes by accident at the end of a note-taking session - no way to cut off the :30 of dead air...).
      • Won't allow you to lay back better-recorded audio from elsewhere to a note session.
      • The OCR is a Windows-only add-on (that comes with the 2GB pen, but you still have to download it, and it's not integrated with the Livescribe software).
      • The software is very closed-end, and prohibits lots of innovative uses without hacking (and you accept a clickwrap that says you won't hack it).

      None of that stops the software from being incredibly useful. It's a worthwhile tool - I just wish they'd open it up (and I suspect that the Anoto firm that owns the dot pattern intellectual property is the real villain here).

  36. Re:Lenovo x200 by eufaula · · Score: 2, Informative

    i teach economics at the university level, and i have a lenovo x200. it is way outside the $1000 range. it has a wacom screen and the stylus is very precise (we do lots of crazy math too ya know). my normal computer is a mac, but i LOVE this thing. lightweight, LONG battery life (5hrs easily), and very sturdy construction. its currently running vista and i've had no problems (core 2 duo 2.0, 4gb ram)

    i'd either save up (or convince them to give you more money - if your university is in the US and receives perkins funding, you might go that route. as long as you teach perkins eligible students, your grant administrator can probably find the cash (it might take bribing them with chocolate though..lol)) or, if there is a PC in the room invest in a wireless/bluetooth tablet that you can just carry to the classroom with you. you are going to have a hella-hard time finding all that you need for less than $1500 (unless you go used - our university wont buy used), and one of those cheap ones will just fall apart. one of my colleagues got one of the $1000 HP offerings and HATES it. a year later, the screen flickers, the battery sucks, and the tablet is not very sensitive.

    good luck!!!!

  37. lol by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    "I want to buy the best , what should I get?"

    My advice... wait about... 1 year to 18 months

    That is a worthless truism, in effect for the last several decades (if not much longer), and will continue to be true until technology stops progressing. Anyone who answers with an honest opinion on a product actually available on the market has a better answer (in the spirit of the question) than one of "wait".

    As far as your sig Mankind can no longer expand quantitatively, we must grow qualitatively, well that may be a laudable goal, good luck with a politically correct implementation.

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  38. Tried Wacom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wacom drawing tablets are input devices which are designed to let you draw and write naturally. Unlike a tablet PC you don't get to see your notes appear at the tip of your stylus, but it is easy to get used to watching the computer screen as you write. A basic Wacom Bamboo tablet (what I have, and I use it for taking notes and making diagrams) is about $80.

  39. Gigabyte T1028X by DavidKlemke · · Score: 1

    After spending about a week searching for a decent netbook I came across this little beasty:

    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Notebook/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=3191

    10.1" screen and a decent amount of grunt behind it. The reviews I've read on it so far seem to be positive and I've ordered one for myself since the only other option was the T91, which you mentioned. The difference in features between the two was more than enough to justify the higher price on the T1028X, although the clincher for me was the screen.

    Since I got mine for under AU$900 it would seem to fit the bill quite nicely for you :)

  40. Definately Windows7 if Math is important. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Definately Windows7 if Math is important.

    There are tons of low and mid and high end slate and flip/convertable tablets that are lightweight and you can find older models from 2007/2008 for around $600 to newer top of the line models for as expensive as you want to go.

    The trick is the OS, and Vista was a step up from XP TabletPC Edition, and Windows7 is another step forward with some really nice Math input tools.

    Here are some of the features, scroll down to see the Math Input Panel...

    http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/23/ink-input-and-tablet.aspx

    Also go to YouTube and search Vista Handwriting, you will find several videos of people using Vista with both Tablet PCs, and even Wacom digitizers with Vista and demonstrating how amazing the accuracy is, especially when a human can't read the handwriting, but Vista does just fine. I had a customer that signs her name so that her Capital E looks like a C at first glance, yet Vista and Win7 knew it was an E the first attempt without any training, and that is what is great, as you don't even have to go through a training process, you just start using it, and it adapts and keeps learning on the few things it might miss the first time around.

    (Windows handwriting recognition system is based on 'ink' and uses all information gathered from stroke pressure to direction to speed to figure out what letter you are attempting to make, so that even if you have horrible handwritting, it will still figure out what you meant. )

    Microsoft has been doing handwriging technologies since PenWindows from the 3.x days, and the XP TabletPC revamp of the technology was a new generation of computer usage. Vista and Win7 continue forward with these features included as standard features in the OSes, and all it takes is having a TabletPC/Digitizer driver installed and the features automatically just turn themsevles on.

    PS The math formula stuff in Win7 is quite fun, and there are also other pieces of software from Microsoft, like the included Journal or even OneNote from Office that are amazing with a TabletPC. You can even find some really fun physics based 'object' drawing tools from Microsoft Research, and literally draw a ball and have it bounce around the screen or demonstrate gravity or motion.

    1. Re:Definately Windows7 if Math is important. by _spider_ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah, just buy more....

      I've done the math and it would cost us an astronomical amount to 'upgrade' to Windows 7 - not to mention a far from consistent user experience. We're already trying to get the kids used to the XP Mac routine (which, they've taken the Mac up at an astonishing rate).

      The worst part about the Windows 7 question is that (in our tests) less than half of our district software runs correctly, if at all, on Windows 7 (we've had it on some of our sandbox computers trying things out).

      Our push is now going to publishers of curriculum books, math software especially, to go to web-based apps. Thats where the future is. Personally, I think we should be teaching kids to use the keyboard on how to enter math language, or learn to use a calculator as well - real world skills. I don't like that we're teaching them to use something that they will likely not find in the business world.

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  41. Used computer by talcite · · Score: 1

    If you're planning on using this tablet as a teaching tool and nothing else, I suggest getting an used X61 tablet. They're well under $1000 now and they're portable enough to be brought from class to class easily. They're also extremely durable. I'm using a 5 year old T42 right now with no signs of breaking down.

  42. Tablets Not Yet Ripe by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    If this were to be my only computer, it wouldn't be a tablet. Nothing currently available that I've seen can fully replace a desktop, or laptop, computer for all the tasks you're likely to want to do with it. Apple may finally change that game, but Apple hasn't arrived yet, and will likely be pricey when it does. I wouldn't want to type in a term paper on a tablet.

    Were it me, I'd just get an inexpensive netbook for regular computing tasks, and an iPod Touch for music, video, all kinds of eBooks from Kindle to Stanza, and save the rest of my money for when a good tablet finally does arrive.

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    1. Re:Tablets Not Yet Ripe by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 1

      I've been quite happy with my Lenovo X60 tablet for years. You could probably get a refurbished one now for
      However I mostly use it as a laptop. I found it more than completely replaced my old laptop. I mean it has a keyboard and a normal laptop setup, but the screen rotates to cover the keyboard, and they you can do work with the machine as a tablet.

      I guess you were talking about the tablet-only computers with no keyboard. In that case, I'd agree with you, but there is a hybrid tablet/laptop option.

  43. I've been doing this for years. by awaspaas · · Score: 3, Informative

    I teach chemistry at a small college and have been using the combination of prepared notes in OneNote and the tablet to write on them in class. I use Camtasia to record the lectures and post PDFs of the completed files as well as audio podcasts and screencast videos onto the web for the students. I have a simple Toshiba Portege tablet which serves its purpose very well, although it is taxed by compressing the video. Toshiba still sells a convertible Portege laptop/tablet like what I use for $1200 - I'm sure you could find a used one on ebay for much less.

    I would recommend a tablet highly over a dedicated in-classroom solution because it has the flexibility of moving from classroom-to-classroom, as well as recording some dedicated online-only lectures at home (like I was just doing tonight).

    Check out http://webs.anokaramsey.edu/aspaas/2061/ for the stuff I've been doing. This is for a hybrid (half-online) organic chemistry course that only meets one day a week for lecture and lab. A course like this probably wouldn't be possible without the tablet handwriting and screencasting tech.

    1. Re:I've been doing this for years. by loftyhauser · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly new faculty (second year), teaching aerospace engineering. I've taught several classes with Onenote, in a similar way. How do you set up the Onenote pages so the page breaks in the correct place (without constantly going back and forth from print preview)?

    2. Re:I've been doing this for years. by awaspaas · · Score: 1

      You need to make a template that's 8.5x11". Do page setup and choose that page size, then Format > Templates and save that as a new template. Whenever you make a new section (tab) go to Format > Templates and at the bottom select that template to be the default for that section. Then every new page in that section will be a nice 8.5x11" sheet.

  44. Advice by ubergeek65536 · · Score: 1

    I've had experience with HP, Acer, Fujitsu, Itronix, Toshiba, and Motion Computing. Our customers have purchased hundreds of tablets and I hear it when they don't work as advertised.

    Do youself a favour and get a convertable with a built in webcam. I've seen refubished ones on Ebay for around $600.

    The expensive ones are better but not usually worth the extra money. You can replace an Acer or Fujitsu three times for the price of a high end Toshiba or Motion machine.

    Avoid machines with 1.8" drives like the plague. They are SLOW and usually around 80GB.
    Make sure it supports 2GB ram, 1GB is usually enough though.
    A 4 hour battery really lasts for 2 hours.
    Price out replacement batteries. You will need to replace it every year. The ones I bought off Ebay are as good as the OEM ones for 1/2 the price.
    Make sure it is visible in bright light and sunlight.
    Call the support line before you buy to see if you get through. I found Acer support the best YMMV.
    Slate tablets are useless.

  45. Record audio separately by mattr · · Score: 1

    I have not used Livescribe recommended by another poster. But it seems to me you will not be able to record your audio unless you actually walk to the blackboard with your tablet. Of course if you are always in tablet mic range then it might be okay.

    Another thing is quality. You can get a pin mic (see audio technica brand or there are others) and voice recorder (they all have sd cards and usb these days, the most popular one for business will record 1000 hours or less at MP3 quality, best I am told is Olympus but there are other brands and some are pretty small).

    This might give you better quality and you can pin the mic to your lapel or shirt front while slipping the recorder in your pocket. But if you can indeed just use tablet for all drawings and always be near it you might have good enough quality plus be able to synchronize. Of course this assumes you have a way for the student to play it back. I think personally it would probably be much better quality if you do this:

    Create written course notes in advance with nicely written equations etc. on your tablet
    Draw on blackboard with tablet and record that, give this and the advance notes to the students on your course website.
    Use voice recorder to get high quality sound and dump the sd card to your website. Verbally say which page of notes, or blackboard drawing, you are talking about.
    Optionally have a video camera synched to voice recorder, depends on how animated you are and how important are the gestures at the blackboard. Maybe not so important.
    Then organize the files on your site, with a wiki or blog and maybe a rss feed to let people know when it is updated. Maybe scribd would be useful too.
    I saw some info at
    http://www.slideshare.net/hebertm3308/interactive-classrooms-presentation
    and http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired/fil/pages/listweb20s.html

     

  46. Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From a student.

    Don't do it. If you want a new toy buy one and play with it, but leave it out of the class room.

    I've been through several "let's get all high tech with the teaching" initiatives, and they all failed miserably.

    The vast majority of the class ended up suffering through the mandatory attendance lectures and took notes from the book instead.

    There is no concept in mathematics at that level that you cannot teach with a stick and a large patch of dirt.

    Indoors, a chalkboard will do.

    Any additional complexity or whizz bang gadgetry is at best a distraction and at worst a complete waste of your student's time.

  47. Thinkpad X200 Tablet by etherelithic · · Score: 2, Informative

    I used a Thinkpad X61 tablet pc for note taking and lecture recording while doing my bachelors in EE, and still use it as a regular notebook and note taking now as a grad student. I recently loaded Windows 7 on a SSD and it flies. The screen's 1400x1050, so no screen real-estate complaints here. Most of the time I type my notes, but when I need to write down equations and diagrams, I flip it around and draw them, then go back to typing when I need to. It's fast enough to be a regular use noebook, especially with the new SSD. I love it. The sad thing is they don't make 12.1 inch IPS high res screens anymore, as the latest incarnation, the X200 tablet, uses a 1280x800 screen that's far inferior. Still I think it's worth a look.

    1. Re:Thinkpad X200 Tablet by ichifish · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the reassuring post. I have a Thinkpad X61 with Vista and the 5400 drive and 2GB ram and it's a dog. I was just looking into getting the drive upgrade -probably the 7200, not the SSD- and the ram to go along with Windows 7, but was skeptical as to whether it would be enough.

  48. Just say no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't use technology as a crutch to prop up poor teaching skills.

  49. Fujitsu stuff by mrpgilbert · · Score: 1

    As a Fujitsu reseller, I've shipped quite a few of their tablets over the years, both slate and convertible. We have a Primary school in Cornwall successfully using Stylistic slates with kids on a daily basis, but price has always been the issue. They have currently got a convertible thing called the Lifebook T1010, which is sub-£1000 (we're nearly at parity, aren't we...), but its battery life is crap and it lacks the modular bay of the T5010. Upcoming to launch alongside Win7, however, is a T4x10 range, which looks a lot better. Should be reasonably sub-£1k. As an alternative to the Sympodium, try the Interwrite iPanel. Cheaper, better and doesn't have nasty SMART software... And if anyone can tell me why the keyboard on my old Lifebook T3010 has died after I spilt a cup of tea on it...

  50. My experiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We recently deployed some in-house high-tech classrooms with video/lecture recording in Truman State, MO. Professors and students *love* it. There were some advanced math courses going on and the students really like the ability to interact in-class as well as review the lecture after each class session.

    The interactive equipments we used are pretty cheap, but you will need to talk with the AV/Instructional design guys in order to set them up. We used the equipments from Smart Technologies to provide an large, beautiful interactive whiteboard. It's not very expensive and is under $1000, provided you already have a projector in the room - and you have a huge, wonderful thing to write on. If you want to go with an even cheaper option, Smarttech provides a thing called the AirLiner to provide Wacom tablet alike functionalities over bluetooth (that you can use while walking around the class and hand to students as well!) The deal? They come with a software suite that is specifically designed for classroom use, which is not groundbreaking but is really a joy to use. Basically it will turn the whiteboard to a notebook and a presentation platform with as many pages as you like with as many types of multimedia contents as you like. Then it will export lecture notes to a PDF file that you can provide the students to download and review later on. The software also runs on Linux and Mac with no problems at all if those are one of your concerns.

    For audio capture, again you really need to talk with the AV guys, if they have some decent clip-on wireless microphones laying around. We use a dedicated system to capture the audio (and classroom video also) but I imagine the same functionalities can be achieved by plugging the receiver into the computer, and record the audio using a software application such as Audacity.

  51. Maybe off topic but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really think you should reconsider the good old blackboard. I have probably attended 500 lectures, and the top 10 have either used a blackboard or nothing at all. I think the fundamental principle for every good lecture is a common focus between the lecturer and the audience. This would be impossible if you had your eyes on your tablet while the class was paying attention to a large screen. The lecturers activity level is another important factor. Technology makes the lecturer more passive, and the subject more boring. This is why so many power point presentations is a drag.

  52. Toshiba M200 is great and cheap now by j-stroy · · Score: 1

    this a great tablet, used mine daily for 4 years before the graphics chip partially failed, (probably the ball grid array) 12" 1440x1080 screen with integrated wacom tablet.. writing looks and feels like a fineliner pen, dedicated vram. can ebay them cheap now performs great with extra ram used it teaching graphics.

  53. Digital Paper by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Or you could bypass the issue all together and go with a "digital paper" solution. I think the questioner is mistaken asking "what is the best tablet PC", and instead should be asking "what is the best method of achieving what I want". Solutions like Oxford Papershow use a form of patterned paper (very faint) that you draw on with a bluetooth-enabled pen, and it then transforms pretty much any computer into a tablet. You have to use it to get a real feel for it, but it's incredibly easy to set up (at least the Oxford Papershow tool) and you can use it on as many or any computers you want. Arrive in lecture theatre, plug in USB dongle, spend three minutes setting it up and you're good to go. You buy the initial device (pen and USB dongle combo) for around UK£100, I think. Then pads of the special paper are around UK£10 for a pad of a 100 sheets, I think. It's an expense, but it's upfront and works out okay actually. Certainly better than a lot of ongoing licences depending on how much you use. You can even print out copies of your slides onto the special paper in advance so that you're drawing on your powerpoint slide or whatever. The whole thing can be recorded, you can use it as a normal interface like a mouse, it's really surprisingly good.

    The above sounds like a sales pitch. I have no connection to the company though our university is now trialling the product. I would rate it as better than spending the money on a tablet for a lot of people's needs. Windows only so far as I know, but I could be wrong.

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  54. The Apple Tablet? by dangitman · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure why the story mentions "the Apple Tablet" as such a product doesn't exist, and is only a hallucination in the fevered minds of rumormongers.

    Moreover, why the obsession with tablets? They can be kind of neat for some things, but I think the submitter is too attached to a particular form factor, or a fantasy of how things should be, rather than actual usefulness and educational outcomes.

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    1. Re:The Apple Tablet? by dostert · · Score: 1

      dagitman
      Basically, we've got some off-site campuses that are 1-2 hr drives away, and none of the mathematics professors want to drive out there for lectures. You're 100% right that me going, doing work on the board, and doing a tradition lecture is best, but that's really not feasible. I can record lectures that I do here, but the problem is that the courses offered at the off-site campuses are not necessarily what I offer on the main campus, so I'd have to sit and lecture to and empty classroom. I thought doing a lecture on the tablet, while recording voice and video, would be akin to doing a lecture. I can also use it in my non-class time to work through HW solutions and exam solutions to post online for the students.

    2. Re:The Apple Tablet? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I thought doing a lecture on the tablet, while recording voice and video, would be akin to doing a lecture. I can also use it in my non-class time to work through HW solutions and exam solutions to post online for the students.

      Sure, but why do you need a tablet to do that? Wouldn't a conventional laptop or desktop (with appropriate input/output devices) do just as good a job?

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    3. Re:The Apple Tablet? by dostert · · Score: 1

      That's one of my questions actually.

      Unless I'm mistaken, one of the i/o devices you're talking about lacks a display. If they do have a display, then we're talking about something like a Sympodium device, which I'd love to have, but is nowhere near my $1000 budget. Without a display, I envision the problem being that I'll have to face the board to write correctly, which would mean I cannot face the class. This is actually a big issue (if you've got an 8am class, good luck getting them to pay attention and not sleep if your back is turned from them the whole time). The other problem I'd see would be that in math, I'm not just scribbling text, I'll have to go back and edit equations, change entries in a matrix, etc. I believe it would be a bit of an issue for me to do this without being able to see exactly where I need to edit. I could be VERY wrong about this, but that's exactly why I wanted to ask! If you've used some of those devices, definitely let me know how they work!

      The BIG problem here is money. If this were a state university, I'd get a tablet, get an i/o device, and get a sympodium and find out which was best for me. The dept. would be able to afford it, and someone in the dept would be able to use my "leftovers". Here, there are 4 of us in the Math/CS group, so not a lot of free flowing cash!

  55. Dell Latitude XT and XT2 by dtdmrr · · Score: 1

    The Dell XT and XT2 and the HP TX all use roughly the same digitizer, though apparently different revisions in each. I have used a XT and XT2, though mostly in linux. I can say that I've seen multitouch function in windows, though I can't comment about stability for more than a few seconds of play. Between the two, the xt2 is an incremental improvement: its considerably lighter, a bit faster, and the hard drive moved from an obscure "standard" to a SATA connector (which may more convenient for long term maintenance). The one advantage of the xt is that its now considerably cheaper. If your primary usage is as a tablet, the dell laptops do not have a rigid latch to hold the lid in place, just magnets and rubber bumps/guides. It stays pretty well, but the sturdy latch on the thinkpad convertibles is better for prolonged use as a tablet.

  56. Re:Lenovo x200 by Fraggy_the_undead · · Score: 1

    To stay within the $1000 a x61t might be an option. I got mine half a year ago for roughly 800â, so I think it should be possible to get one in the US for that figure in USD or less. Only thing I'm not sure about, is whether you can find a place where new ones are still sold, they have been phased out. The shop where I got mine doesn't offer it anymore....

  57. Maybe the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Touchbook http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/

    I don't know if you are platform dependant yet this makes a great deal for you if you want a tablet like device.

    Another option is Notebook, which is a Mac app. I can record lecutures. It really functions like a real life notebook. http://circusponies.com

  58. Nokia Maemo N900 by sandGorgons · · Score: 1

    Why dont you use the Nokia N900 for all your stated purposes.

    Given that it is running a variant of Debian Linux (Maemo), and has a 5MP Carl Zeiss camera (which has provably excellent video recording , it takes care of your video needs.

    It is also multitasking, so you can switch on your video recorder and flip to your notes.
    Given its pre-release price of 650$ (without contract) and the fact that the developer market for Maemo is a given, considering it's Debian roots, I'd say it makes for a pretty decent solution for you.

  59. Try Promethean and Smart! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to look at educational technology companies rather than laptop manufacturers.

    All of these companies Prometheanworld.com, Smarttech.com and eInstruction.com are doing some amazing things. Whether you get an Interactive Whiteboard, a slate or something in between they are certainly popular with schools in the UK and US. I think about 70% of classrooms have an IWB in the UK now, so I don't think you'll be breaking new ground.

  60. Very well written piece of viral marketing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you wanted to advertise (or hype up) the existence of a certain Microsoft tablet which was under development... maybe a great idea would be to write an article for Slashdot like this:

    "With all of the recent hype of multitouch notebooks, the Apple Tablet, the Microsoft Courier, and the CrunchPad, I've been a bit curious about what happened to the good old pen and slate tablet PCs. I'm a mathematics professor at a small college and have been searching for a good cheap tablet (under $1000) which I can use to lecture, record the lecture notes along with my voice, and post up video lectures for the class. I have seen some suggestions, but many are large scale implementations at state universities, something my small private college clearly cannot afford. All I have been able to find is either tiny netbooks (like the new Asus T91), expensive full featured tablets (like the Dell XT), or multitouch tablets, that really wouldn't allow for the type of precision mathematics needs. I know a Sympodium device would work great, but we really can't afford to put one of those in each room, so something portable would be ideal. All I've been left with is considering an HP tx series. It seems nobody has created a new tablet like this in quite sometime, and HP, Fujitsu, and Dell are just doing incremental updates to their old designs. Does anyone have experience with this?"

    Well done.

  61. Handwriting support? by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can handwriting recognition be used only as an indexing tool? There is no point in changing what you actually see in the handouts.

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  62. Thank you SLASHDOT!! by dostert · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to say thank you to everyone's comments. I'm going to look further into a lot of your suggestions, but I see a few problems with some of them. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but these new "multitouch" devices won't support pen type input...right? They're basically going to work like a big iPod Touch, where you'll be using your fingers to navigate. Second, I looked into Wacom, because their add ons are extremely precise, but I believe I'd have to write while looking at the projector screen. To me, this is unacceptable, since I can't see my class (which, at 8am, is a HUGE advantage to actually face the class!). My college could like to increase the number of "remote" classes we can teach, so I need to get onboard soon. Odds are I'll try out one of these machines around $1000 and then apply for some grants to try to implement some of your "better" suggestions. I've been combing blogs and sites for two weeks trying to find some good info. I should have known better and just posted this to slashdot in the first place! Thank you everyone!

    1. Re:Thank you SLASHDOT!! by dostert · · Score: 1

      After finally getting through the majority of the comments, I just wanted to clear up some things that people were asking.

      This would not be a personal computer, but rather belong to the department. If we went with a tablet, and not a fixed solution (like Sympodium) then it would likely be shared by 3-4 faculty.

      For those of you who perhaps only had 1 or 2 math classes, we would use this for many classes from basic statistics to linear algebra and numerical analysis. Some suggestions have nice 5.6" screens and whatnot, but writing solutions to 4x4 matrix problems, or doing a simplex tableau, is not really feasible on something like that. So precision and screen real estate are of utmost importance.

      The reason we're looking at a tablet is simply because of the ease in transferring to different classrooms, and the ease at which we can use it for non-classroom instruction. For example, right now I type of fairly detailed solutions to HW and exams in latex. I would instead record myself working out the problems on the tablet. Also, most other Math/CS/Bio/Chem professors do not post up solutions and things like that, so I was hoping I could convince them by showing how easy the tablet was to use.

      I am at a SMALL private college in the rural south. We do not have a lot of money, and for those of your in higher education, I'm sure you've the huge drop in operating budgets this year. Under $1000 us really a must, until I can find some grant money, which will take at least a year.

      I'm sorry to keep repeating myself, but thanks again for all of the comments. I've found a dozen or so suggestions which I need to go look into further!

    2. Re:Thank you SLASHDOT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Toshiba M400 and the Lenovo x200, for example, have touch + pen. If the pen is close to the screen, touch is disabled automatically and the pen has precedence. It works quite well (surprisingly so). Only occasionally do I get myself in trouble when I try to brush off some dirt from the screen and leave doodle marks on my writing.

  63. Touch and/or stylus by lad.kocb · · Score: 1

    The Nokia N800 linux tablet has both touch and tablet screen. How did they realize that, I do not know. It seem that they left this concept on the newer N810 which only has stylus. All the new gadgets indeed seem to have only touchscreens for fingers and no stylus. They want us to write by fingers! Well, not really. They now only address the entertainment and browsing and social media..... I face the same problems as you. What I do is to use Macbook with an external Wacom drawing tablet. One can scribble equations and small drawings, exactly as I would do on the blackboard or on paper. Mac has this fantastic screen capture (but you must reprogram the hotkey, otherwise your fingers get confused by command shift 3 or whatever they had as default) and you paste the drawings quickly into OpenOffice or any other software which can import pictures directly. It is not really designed for such use, but it works...... It is a pity that the designers do not follow us who are doing real mathematics or physics (or chemistry) work. The entertainment and "user experience" seem to be the only leads the designers follow - except naturally the typing. But it takes time to type an equation, while it takes no time to write it.

  64. Fujitsu by mjhorn · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the Fujitsu Stylistic Line. They offer slate tablets in addition to traditional tablets. We just picked up several at work and they're very cool devices. The latest model, 6012 I believe, starts around $2000, but I'm fairly sure you could find previous models that are more in your price range. I'll also say that if it counts for anything our experience with their support staff has been better than most companies I've dealt with.

  65. Another Math Dept. tech advise by demck85 · · Score: 1

    I work at a university for technical support for the Math Dept. also. We just got 14 Lenovo x200 Tablets that have been really good. They are little expensive, but all schools should have some form of technology fee being charged to the students that goes to a pot for the colleges to buy stuff for teaching purposes. If not, then that must be a tiny school then. The school should spend the money on something with better quality, that last 2-4 years, not something that'll break in 1-2 years. I'm not saying Lenovo is top notch, but we had a contract with them, so we got a deal on the 14 tablets.

  66. Tablet PC + DyKnow to record and broadcast notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At our school we distribute Lenovo Tablets (now the x200) to all students majoring in the sciences, with great success. It is sturdy, fast, the battery lasts long enough, and the pen features work well. Only drawback is the external DVD. I myself teach mathematics at the College level using a Toshiba M400, which is just great: fast, reliable, and it has a great solution for a sturdy hinge mechanism that does no wobble at all.

    As software I use a program called DyKnow (http://www.dyknow.com), which let's you deliver your lecture in handwriting mode via projector. If students brought their own laptops to class (Tablet or otherwise) they can "join" my session and have my lecture notes delivered to their screen in real time, where they could add private notes to my slides as I broadcast them. I can even share control of the screen with any student(s) to allow for class participation where I can pose a question and have one or more students work it out with me, while everyone watches. DyKnow adds features like quick polling, supports group work, lets students submit their own work (like an in-class quiz) to me electronically, and can record your voice and synchronizes it with your notes during later playback. It even has an optional feature to "lock down" other laptops that have joined a session so they can only use programs from an approved list. Also, if a student can't make it to class (H1N1 anyone?) they can join my session in real time from their room.

    The program is free but to use the interactive classroom features you need to have a server license for yourself and the students. We use a hosted solution, so there is little overhead on our side. I've been using DyKnow exclusively for all my math lectures for two years now, and the students absolutely love it.

  67. Look at the software... by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd highly recommend you check out Classroom presenter from the University of Washington. It's what I and some friends have used previously with our tablets (currently a tc4200 but previously a tc1100) to give in-class presentations.

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  68. Fujitsu... or Kohjinsha? by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

    Fujitsu makes the best tablets hands down, but they are pricey. If you want a cheaper tablet, Kohjinsha makes netbooks that have flip around screens that turn into tablets. I don't know if they are sold wherever you happen to be living (America) but they are cheap and good.

  69. Chocolate Tablets? by youn · · Score: 1

    They may not cover all your needs, but hey...

    Taste good, very cheap, awesome experience, great user interaction an you'll feel good after eating one

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  70. CS101 tablet project by rinoid · · Score: 1

    Not sure if this will help but FWIW:

    http://learn.bowdoin.edu/computer-science/tablets/index.shtml

    > Round Table Project Executive Summary

    > For the Round Table Project, Professors Adriana Palacio and Stephen Majercik re-designed the introductory-level computer science course to become an interactive, problem-based learning class. By making use of HP Tablet PCs and Dyknow software, the instructors increased the engagement of students with a wide range of knowledge and skills. The primary goal of Round Table was to facilitate a positive learning experience for students, who have varying degrees of exposure to computer science, in order to encourage prolonged study and interest in computer science.

  71. Avoid the TX line, they're flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The HP tx line has an overheating problem that fries the wifi/motherboard, and HP refuses to issue a recall. Also, they're tech support on the issue is terrible, and any repair leads them to re-image your hard drive. At least that's what they did to me.

    1. Re:Avoid the TX line, they're flawed by IsaacD · · Score: 0

      from a tx owner and user: i have a tx2513cl from costco. I agree entirely that heat is a fierce problem. This thing can get over 90C easily. Though with everything turned down to power saver, you can get back down to ~50-60C. Most likely, the x64 AMD processor is the culprit (and reason for lower price at the same time). The machine came with Vista x32 and I have had very few problems with the OS. Of the few problems, most are minor, but using the external VGA contributes to the heat and will sometimes just shut the whole machine down. As for hardware, there seems to be some magnet in a small corner spot that throws off the stylus by a few millimeters - not a major deal, but I'm annoyed that it does this. In Vista, I sometimes accidentally touch one of the panel buttons and start up some app I do not want - Media Center stuff usually. In low ambient light, the panel display lights are a bit bright. The 6 cell battery doesn't last long at all unless the display brightness is at a minimum and all other power saving (read: performance decreasing) features are enabled, an 8 cell is available. The touchscreen is also very reflective, which I believe (think ?) to be a problem with a lot of these machines, it can be almost impossible to read when the display brightness is low. I have calibrated the screen maybe three times, and that was just for "fun", as the touch input really is great. When temp is high, the fan can get a little noisy, but not much more than what I've experienced in other laptops. I upgraded to an OCZ solid state drive and installed Windows 7 (x32) and the thing absolutely flies now. Power consumption is still an issue, though. With 7 the handwriting features see some improvement and the external VGA never fails. With OneNote (pre-installed), I have found a lot of success using it for a year in college now. I use a SBS 2003 server with SharePoint to keep it synced/backed up. I've not found any other software on the market that can compete with OneNote, though there are probably some competing vendors. OneNote really is an impressive piece of software. I paid ~$950 for the machine and considering the price and even the aforementioned problems, have been happy with it, more so after the Win7/SSD upgrades. Others on the market in this line were twice that price at the time. Hope the lengthy input helps!

  72. Don't do it! by Lord+Crosis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am currently a college student, and am at least minoring in math (Considering a double major). When I started I was 10 years out of high school and had forgotten so much that I had to start way back at Math 055 (Basic Algebra). Since then I have taken, in succession, Intermediate Algebra, College Algebra, Trig, Calc I, Calc II, Calc III, Linear Algebra, Proofs, ODE, and am now in Discrete Math. What I have discovered for myself, and from discussions from other students is that we learn the most and the best from instructors that use a good old fashioned chalkboard. It slows you down enough that we can take good notes and still follow what you are doing, it gives you something big enough to clearly point at when you are talking about a piece of what you are doing, and it largely prevents you from just displaying preprepared notes that you post online afterward and hope we manage to follow. If you feel we should have material supplemental to our notes and the textbook, make a handout or post such material online. Math has been successfully taught for ages using a chalkboard. Perhaps there are improvements that can be made to how we teach math, but believe me, switching to a tablet PC is not one of them.

    1. Re:Don't do it! by dostert · · Score: 1

      Lord Crosis

      Believe me, I am a HUGE believer in using the chalkboard, but we're getting a lot more non-traditional students that like the convenience of being able to look at their lectures outside of the classroom (yes, I know, that is not ideal for classroom discussions). I create lectures ahead of time, but don't display them, I simply work through them on the board. The way I plan to use the tablet is the same. I'd simply use it as a "computerized chalkboard" not as a powerpoint displayer that I can write on. Would you object to this? Essentially, the only difference would be that I don't walk back and forth in front of the class with my back turned to them. I do everything by hand, but while facing the class and looking them in the eye.

      The other advantage is that if I do use technology (I'd use Matlab A LOT in linear algebra to demonstrate difficult examples), it doesn't feel so awkward. Right now, I stop lecturing, pull the screen down, turn on the projector, wait for it to warm up, login to the computer (or turn it on), then do an example. Then, if I wanna write something on the small remaining portion of the board, I can, but I really must put the screen back up and turn the projector off if I want to go back to lecturing.

      So, the way I describe it above, does that seem a bit more interesting to you?

    2. Re:Don't do it! by Lord+Crosis · · Score: 1

      The way you describe using a tablet is the best you can do with a tablet, but it is far worse than using a chalkboard.

      First, in providing the lecture notes you discourage students from taking their own notes, since they know that most of what they might have written will be provided. When a student is actively taking their own notes, they often add detail that help them understand their own notes later. Don't worry about whether or not student's "like the convenience of being able to look at their lectures outside of the classroom". Learning math isn't convenient. It's hard work. They need to be in class, taking good notes, following the lecture, and applying it to the homework problems. If they have to miss a lecture, they need be responsible for the material, and if they can't figure it out from the textbook they need to see you during your office hours, or a tutor. It's a system that's worked for a very long time, and the tablet changes it without providing any real gain, and in fact some loss. In the best of cases it promotes student laziness, and in the worst of cases it lends to students being even more lost than they might have been in a traditional class.

      Second, because you are writing on something that is more like pen-and-paper, you will write faster. This makes it so that it is difficult for those of us who weren't discouraged from taking notes (in the first point) to keep up in recording our notes and at the same time follow what you are actually doing. It's always difficult, when you fully understand a mathematical concept, to force yourself to explain it slowly enough that someone who doesn't understand it yet can follow. The chalkboard imposes a bit of a speed restriction since it forces you to write everything in a larger space which takes longer.

      Third, a typical classroom chalkboard provides more real estate, so if the student is taking notes and falls a bit behind (because they recorded more detail on a point, or decided to do a side calculation to ensure that they are following what you've done), it provides more of a buffer for them to use to catch up.

      Finally, and maybe this one is just me, but there is a huge difference between using a cursor to point to something you've already written, and actually pointing at it on the chalkboard.

      One other comment, not related to the tablet: The best math instructor I have ever had did the least lecture preparation: He looked at the book to see what subjects were covered in the sections he planned to go over before class, and then did not look at the book again. He then spent the class period explaining and proving the material as much to himself as to the rest of the class. The notes I took from his lectures were always more thorough and better explained than any text book I have ever read.

  73. There's demand, smartphones have been a bandaid by MMInterface · · Score: 1

    Then you usually find out that the interface is awkward, viewing the screen is uncomfortable, holding them is strange, and typing on a real keyboard is 100 times faster than trying to "write" or touch virtual keys one at a time.

    The problem is most people don't know where or when to use slate tablets despite the fact that there are plenty of situations where they do excel and because of that they often compromise by using a Smartphone in those situations or just waiting until they get stationary. If you are comparing them to a notebook then that is probably the first mistake. If you are at a table or a desk you probably don't need a slate tablet. However if you are standing, walking or in a situation where you need to hold your pc with one hand, then using a notebook is not only awkward, strange, and uncomfortable, but it's dangerous. Basically tablets allow you to use a full pc in situations where you can't easily use a notebook. It's not a rare situation because smartphones attempt to do the same thing, and as much as people love their capabilities, smartphones just don't work for many types of applications. Consequently many smartphones have been moving in the direction of a slate tablet. It's almost as if they are working backwards towards a technology we already had.

  74. Do NOT buy a HP TX-series! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do NOT purchase an HP TX-series laptops. They contain the well-known Nvidia GPU Defect that will quite literally cause your system to degrade from overheating just after a years' (standard warranty) time.

    The best part is, HP has been -paid- to fix this problem for their customers, and yet they refuse to believe the TX-series is flawed. Just look at the Support Forums link off of HP.com and see how many complaints this dismal-of-a-company is getting. What a debacle.

  75. Tecra M4 saved my tuchus as a MS student by theschles · · Score: 1

    I can tell you that as a MS in ICS student, I wouldn't have passed my courses or comprehensive exam if not for my Toshiba Tecra M4 combined with JPG exports of classroom slides and M$ OneNote. (drag and drop the JPG slides into OneNote, then mark them up -- all while recording using OneNote)

  76. The Portege M200 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen it posted yet, but I strongly recommend the Toshiba Portege M200.

    Pros:

    -Cheap, cheap, cheap. You can get an M200 on eBay for less than $300 after shipping. I've seen them for as low as $200.
    -Highest screen resolution by far of all tablets. (1400 x 1050) (There are a couple of others with this resolution, but they are rare and a lot more expensive and/or plagued with hardware issues. The Tecra M4 suffers from a common video card burn out problem, and the Levono models are in the $1000 range if you can find them.) Some people don't like such a high resolution screen because it makes text and icons quite small, but I find it very comfortable and I really appreciate the gobs of extra screen real estate such a high resolution translates into. It also lends itself well to graphic arts.
    -The model is durable and reliable. These are solid machines with an excellent track record and no hardware issues of note.

    Cons:
    -Drivers can be a fiddle to get working properly.
    -Screen does not have a wide viewing angle and the screen protector has a 'graininess' to it which some find annoying. (I don't).
    -No internal CD/DVD drive.

    Other than that, the Portege M200 is a great little starter computer. I picked one up just to experiment with and it has become my machine of choice. My desktop system sits idle now as my entire workflow has moved over to the tablet. I use it for graphic arts and design, and I have it mounted to my drafting board with a raised skirt to make the screen flush with the table surface, and an external keyboard mounted above it. It works very well.

    Cheers!

  77. Good Idea by Suicidal+Gir · · Score: 1

    Here at Penn State several of the electrical engineering professors use IBM tablets. They're nice and tiny, last all day, and are possibly the best teaching tool I've come across. I personally own a Toshiba tablet, and while it was pretty good for a while, the hardware has failed constantly. The support was pretty good, but the computer is struggling now that the 3 year warranty is up (dead accelerometer, pen pressure sensitivity not working, screen is wobbly, fixed the CD-ROM myself). I've heard a lot of good things about the IBM models, namely the x61 I believe.

    My one tip? For God's sake, don't be that teacher that sits through class endlessly trying to figure out how to use it. Don't introduce it into your classroom until you have the routine down. I had one professor that decided to use it for a signals and systems review, and at least half the time spent was him trying to figure out how to use the computer. He was more of a side walk chalk on the board kind of guy...

  78. One tablet approach that works for teaching EE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I teach using a refurbished Lenovo X200 convertible tablet; I got it for $930 from CDW-G using our university discount. It has some weird quirks, but it is a reasonable machine.

    You can spend a lot more on an X200 that has all of the accessory features, but I see a new one on CDW-G right now for $971 (and we get a few percent off that).

    I prepare the background slides in LaTeX, and hand out a partially blank lecture; this has some titles and the main results. I then annotate the lectures using PDF annotator, save the annotated version, and post both to the website. It is also straightforward to use PPT to record the lecture with audio.

    The student reviews have been positive on this approach; it avoids some of the frantic writing to record derivations and main results, but also avoids the canned nature of pure-presentation teaching approaches in which students just sit back and watch you magically work out relationships and problems. You can adjust the percentage written and typeset in advance between 0-100%.

    You can see how it works out here:
    https://courseworks.columbia.edu/cms/outview/courseenter.cfm?no=ELENE3106_001_2009_3 (this semester)
    https://courseworks.columbia.edu/cms/outview/courseenter.cfm?no=ELENE3106_001_2008_3 (last year)

  79. Mobi tablets by JAF30 · · Score: 1

    Right now my employer, the largest college in the state is heading towards using Mobi tablets from eInstruction. http://www.einstruction.com/products/interactive_teaching/mobi/index.html Very much like a wireless Wacom tablet, the only thing you need is a computer with a USB port for its RF adapter and a way to show the video out of the computer. The software that comes with the Mobi has all that is needed for a electronic whiteboard,annotate power points, pdfs, etc. We are buying them at the educational price of $400. And as mentioned in the replies above most classes now have a ceiling mounted projector and computer in each classroom. Just install the software and you can take the Mobi from room to room. It also charges over USB.

  80. westtxfun by westtxfun · · Score: 1
    I purchased a Toshiba M200 (off lease, through eBay) for under $300 before going in for back surgery. I simply wouldn't be able to use my heavy 15" wide screen laptop after surgery, so this seemed like a real boon to be able to use it while stuck in bed healing. The flip-top laptop has a 2GHz CPU, 2GB RAM, an upgraded 160 GB hard drive, and a 12" screen, but not optical drive.

    That was two years ago and since that time, it has replaced a more powerful desktop and laptop (the heavy 15") to become my primary PC for email, web browsing, light web editing or coding, and light gaming. I use the other two when the demands exceed what the little laptop can do. It really excels in a few areas:

    1) Graphics: In the past, I used a USB tablet for art or photo editing, but it didn't feel natural - I wasn't looking where I was editing.

    2) Notes: It's very natural to fire up One Note (or similar app) to take notes during a meeting. I'm not killing trees and it's easy to organize my notes in my documents. Plus, I can go back and edit the notes after the meeting to clean things up. 3) Browsing: If I'm just wondering around on the web, I'll often go into tablet mode and click through the web. On the rare occasions that I need to type a search term, I'll use either recognition (OK, but not thrilling) or the on screen keyboard (slow but more accurate.) It's a relaxing and enjoyable for me. 4) Pen games: I'm addicted to several pen-based games that are almost impossible to play with a mouse. A crossword puzzle using handwriting (with good recognition) is an absolute blast! However, it's not well suited to programming, web design, 3D gaming, or other high demand uses. It simply lacks the power for that, so I'll switch to the desktop and other laptop for those uses. The flip-top (swivel-top? Convertible?) gives me the best of two worlds. I can use it like a standard laptop when doing email and other common office tasks, but can easily convert to tablet mode when needed. Unlike some other comments, I've found the tablet PC to be reliable and well-built. A little care goes a long way, so flipping the screen around at a moderate pace goes a long way to preserving the cables in the pivot. I'm an IT manager for my department and support several professors who use tablet PCs as virtual white boards and then record the session with Camtasia or other capture software. They then post the work to the class website, so the students can play back the equations at their own pace. It greatly improves student retention of the math work. Overall, I'm very impressed and use the little tablet as my primary PC. It's not perfect (lacking an optical drive, moderate power, and just 2 USB ports), but it does the job for me.

  81. Motion computing and TabletKiosk too by lobsterpot · · Score: 1

    motion makes a good tablet. I had the LE1700 and it worked really great. TabletKiosk also makes a good slate tablet Sahara i440D and it switches between pen and resistive touch screen. I saw it demonstrated at a tradeshow and it was sweeeeeet but expensive. http://tabletkiosk.com/products/sahara/i400s_pp.asp