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New Images Reveal Pure Water Ice On Mars
Matt_dk writes "Images of recent impact craters taken by the HiRISE Camera on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have revealed sub-surface water ice halfway between the north pole and the equator on Mars. While the Phoenix lander imaged subsurface ice where the top layer of soil had been disturbed at the landing site near the north pole, these new images — taken in quick succession, detecting how the ice sublimated away — are the first to show evidence of water ice at much lower latitudes. Surprisingly, the white ice may be made from 99 percent pure water."
They're finding a lot of water in space recently.
First the Moon, and now Mars. We're finding water on both bodies. All we need now is an atmosphere, and maybe a little bit of heat. I'm a bit surprised we're not already talking about tapping that water as an energy source and oxygen source for a colony dome.
How long before martians now?
...but does it have electrolytes?
(alternatively: "Does it blend?")
The recent dogma has been okay I guess there is water but it's too saline for life to exist. 99% pure is more than adequate for life. The rational will be the pure formations are tiny droplets but there's no reason to believe that pools of relatively clear water haven't formed below the surface just like here on Earth where most of the water isn't fresh. It's funny how the dogma is so heavily slanted against possible life but one by one the conditions are being established for life. Surface life, unlikely but a large percentage of life on Earth is below the ground.
Get your ass to Mars, ... Get your ass to Mars, ... Get your ass to Mars, ...
And build a reactor that we can then start to release the water into the atmosphere.
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if we continue to find water like this in our solar system we may get to see traveling from moon to mars,Europa etc. I will make house on Mars.
"maybe there's water"
I"we think there's water"
"we're pretty sure there's ice"
"the ice is probably water"
"there's definitely water in the ice"
"this ice is entirely water"
"this ice is Disani"
"Evian. '72, I suspect"
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... until I visit there myself and get to touch it.
What's the last 1%? Something really nasty, I bet.
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"Surprisingly, the white ice may be made from 99 percent pure water."
What kind of scientific statement is that. I may be?
Sure, I also could be white paint, or sugar for that matter. Or may be it's made of pure water? Hm, who knows..
That's where they build the Enterprise in 2063! Glad they won't go thirsty.
Ok - all we need now is to send the Guvernator up there to whip up some dissent among the subsurface mutant population, and we should have a breathable 14.7 PSI atmosphere in no time!!!
Okay dammit, who the hell tags every story with the word "mars" in it, with the tag "getyourasstomars"...
:D Totally underrated movie!
Because I laugh my ass off every time I see it
For the uninitiated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ARrp7x4bQ
This is IMHO powerful evidence for recent warm wet Mars :
'The other surprising discovery is that ice exposed at the bottom of these meteorite impact craters is so pure,' Byrne said. 'The thinking before was that ice accumulates below the surface between soil grains, so there would be a 50-50 mix of dirt and ice. We were able to figure out, given how long it took that ice to fade from view, that the mixture is about one percent dirt and 99 percent ice.'
'The ice is a relic of a more humid climate not very long ago, perhaps just several thousand years ago.'
Dr. Bryne talks about making this ice through 'frost heave,' but it sounds to me like Arcadia Planitia may have been considerably warmer during the geologically recent past.
Remember, Mars has climate cycles, they cause the sublimation and freezing of both water and Carbon Dioxide, and both water vapor and Carbon Dioxide are powerful greenhouse gases on Mars. (As is methane, which is also present in the Martian atmosphere from unknown sources.) Presumably this ice dates from an earlier part of the climate cycle, when there was higher humidity. Higher humidity implies higher pressure and temperatures. Higher pressures could put the surface above the triple point of water, so that liquid water is possible.
In that case, if the temperature gets high enough, liquid water become inevitable. That would (upon the next change in the climate cycle) freeze as very pure ice.
The Europeans keep talking about sending a rover with a drill to Mars. I think we have now found a good place for it to go.
You can hear Kent Hovind's head exploding as I type, all the way from his prison cell... heh heh...
"pure water". It would be a lot more interesting if they found seriously contaminated water, with lots of organic compounds. Heck, raw sewage on mars would really make my day!
Rocket propulsion is dangerous, extremely expensive and rather primitive when you think about it.
State of the art, it is.
Luckily for the world, a new form of transportation and energy production technology will arrive soon, one based on the realization that we are immersed in an immense ocean of energetic particles. This is a consequence of a reevaluation of our understanding of the causality of motion. Soon, we'll have vehicles that can move at tremendous speeds and negotiate right angle turns without slowing down and without incurring damages due to inertial effects. Floating cities, unlimited clean energy, earth to Mars in hours, New York to Beijing in minutes... That's the future of energy and travel.
Observation first, flying cities later. We haven't observed hypothetical effects that would allow the technologies you causally (heh heh) list. And an immense ocean of energetic particles and "causality of motion" (whatever that means, if anything) do not imply flying cities. Show us the effect experimentally before you tell us how wonderful it will be.
Okay lets look at this scientifically....If a meteor slams into a frigid desert and causes massive amounts of virtually pure ice to explode out onto the surface what exactly does that mean? Before you answer consider that at other sites around Mars they imaged impacts and found that those craters resulted in much dirtier ice being expelled as they would expect if it was ice crystals forming around grains of dirt. However in the image above it was 99% pure water/ice that was expelled.... To me that means there is a large body of frozen water that has been frozen so long that it has been completely buried by one of many Marian Dust Storms. Furthermore, if there is a large body of water/ice under the dirt a few meters it would extremely old and could possibly still contain life of some form.
There is no such thing called "99% pure water". If it is not 100%, it is not pure.
Dave: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
Dave: Play the disk, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Dave: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This disk is too protected for me to allow you to read it.
Dave: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to share it, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions using tor, I could decrypt your packets.
Dave: Alright, HAL. I'll go in through cracking the protection.
HAL: Without your software, Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult.
Dave: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore. Play the disk.
HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
Scientist looks at blurry photo "Yes definitely water, couldn't possibly be anything else".
Just put "tar" instead.
It worked on Superman... sorta...
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
it seems like we might have a competition going on.
On the moon. There is possibility of thorium as well. That is where we should build up a small processing plant so that we can also send it to various locations through out the solar system. And the great part about that, is that we can create plutonium. MUCH better.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
You know what this means!!
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Property is theft.
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We've been looking for water on the Moon and Mars for decades, and then just magically we find water on both of them in less than a week apart? I don't think so
> sub-surface water ice halfway between the north pole and the equator on Mars
In 300 years 90% of Mars will be covered in sea and there will be lady gondoliers in Neo-Venezia.
"causality of motion" (whatever that means, if anything)
It means "I don't understand Conservation of Energy, and think not understanding something means you can act like it doesn't exist."
It's a physics troll, kind of a cross between Electric Universe and Time Cube. He's been posting essentially the same message and blog link for a while now.
The enemies of Democracy are
Take the ISS, that is fighting to not be end of life, and put it in orbit around Mars. Gives us options on a plan B if there are problems and a place to store supplies including fuel.
Warning: I am not a rocket scientist! So do with this what you may.
dude, if he could do that, he would be building his own spaceship after showing the effects to any world billionaire, like branson.
he wouldnt be wasting his time telling you.
And if I had billions of $$$, i would find every possible genius/crackpot out there to build my own spaceship and rule the world.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
He's talking about electric universe 'theory'. It's a form of free energy horseshit.
Remember kids, it's all fun and games until someone commits wholesale galactic genocide.
I think it's a different breed. Could be the same guy, I suppose. But "causality of motion" leading to utopia sounds a little different to me than the Electric Universe stuff. Lot less quoting of observed phenomena for starters and he hasn't said "plasma" once. And the "???" step occurs much earlier in the theory.
1. Evidence of live-support on Mars ...
2. Corporate funding
3. Excitement on the news about living on Mars
4. The future is now. Forget the past
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6. "The sooner I can get of this rock, the better!"
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