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Photoshop Disaster Draws DMCA Notice For Boing Boing

Pickens writes: "Cory Doctorow writes that Ralph Lauren issued a DMCA takedown notice after Boing Boing republished the Photoshop disaster contained in a Ralph Lauren advertisement in which a model's proportions appear to have been altered to give her an impossibly skinny body with the model's head larger than her pelvis. Doctorow says that one of the things that makes their ISP Priority Colo so awesome is that they don't automatically act on DMCA takedowns and proceeded to dare Lauren to sue. 'This is classic fair use: a reproduction "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting," etc,' writes Doctorow. 'Copyright law doesn't give you the right to threaten your critics for pointing out the problems with your offerings.' Doctorow adds that every time Lauren threatens to sue he will 'reproduce the original criticism, making damned sure that all our readers get a good, long look at it,' 'publish your spurious legal threat along with copious mockery,' and 'offer nourishing soup and sandwiches to your models.'"

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  1. kudos by hydrolyzer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to their ISP, all the comments on that article mean something, but its the people with at least a fair amount of money behind them (such as mid-size ISP's, in fact) that can make a real difference. Not only in hilarious copyright battles such as this, but pretty much everything. Good on them for actually making a difference

  2. I'm grateful by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Funny

    That Boing Boing was able to get us the skinny on this.

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    1. Re:I'm grateful by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ralph Lauren's Legal Case is kinda thin.

    2. Re:I'm grateful by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      P.S.

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Photoshop and other digital manipulation for photos used in advertising. In fact all they really need to do is amend the "truth in advertising" laws.

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    3. Re:I'm grateful by SoupGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you been discussing this on Yahoo or reddit?

      I don't come to slashdot for the bleeding edge news, I come for the insightful (well, sometimes) discussion of the interesting news stories that might be a day old.

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    4. Re:I'm grateful by vmxeo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ralph Lauren's response was also obviously disproportionate

    5. Re:I'm grateful by mcsqueak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Photoshop and other digital manipulation for photos used in advertising.

      I don't know how easy it would be to do. You shouldn't just have a blanket banning of Photoshop, because it can be used to reproduce a lot of valid darkroom techniques, such as color adjustments, contrast, levels, dodge and burn, etc... things that are legitimate and need to be done to most photos.

      It is awful the digital manipulation like this is used, however... and it just looks flat out FAKE. You can tell when someone has been over-Photoshopped because they just look "off" somehow.

    6. Re:I'm grateful by MarkvW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You couldn't ban digital manipulation of photos used in advertising.

      Advertising speech gets first amendment protection, albeit not as much protection as policical speech, for example. But it does get protection.

      One obvious First Amendment problem that you run into is overbreadth.

      There are a lot of good uses for Photoshop in advertising--like making really cool surrealistic advertising videos, for example. Such videos are not misleading and there is no legitimate interest in regulating them. Any law that would bar their production merely because they were digitally created would violate the First Amendment.

    7. Re:I'm grateful by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have an idea, how about making sure that the ORIGINAL unedited version is available upon request, with a link in the advertisement to the source of the original.

      Kind of like, Open Source for Photography?

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    8. Re:I'm grateful by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are just starved for attention.

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    9. Re:I'm grateful by Whorhay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if we were to ban photoshopping in advertisements what would be next, banning makeup? It's just not going to happen and if it did it wouldn't be worth the trouble. Just push for honesty in advertising in general and hope for the best.

    10. Re:I'm grateful by Old97 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The U.S. Congress should ban the use of Slashdot to propose unconstitutional laws.

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    11. Re:I'm grateful by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I work in design and have done more Photoshop work than I care to recall. It certainly is an extremely useful tool and can't be banned outright, however, they could impose very clear limits on retouching photos of people.

      I personally see two problems. The first is covering up imperfections, freckles, beauty marks, lumps, etc. The second is thinning out individual body parts and in some extreme cases taking the entire person and making them more narrow.

      There's a big drawback here, however. This wont address the use of heavy makeup, creative lighting or photography. And movies have always used all sorts of techniques to make actors look amazing. Celebrities are sometimes virtually unrecognizable in person because of how heavily they're done up for movies. And agencies will likely push models to lose even more weight. Photoshop ultimately is one small part of the larger problem of creating very unrealistic expectations of how people should look.

      I've had friends who couldn't be with a girl if she didn't have the perfect complexion and body type depicted in the media. I've also known many girls who lament how terrible they supposedly look compared to celebrities. But how the hell do you change these attitudes in a culture so addicted to celebrity culture? And it's not a problem unique to the US either. It's bad enough in Europe, and probably even worse than the US in Asia.

    12. Re:I'm grateful by TomRK1089 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have fun clicking that link in print. :P

    13. Re:I'm grateful by ubrgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that'll happen right after the Big Mac that I order ends up looking just like the one in the commercial.

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    14. Re:I'm grateful by mcsqueak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have fun clicking that link in print. :P

      Because, you can't, you know... type it into a web browser. They could also implement a QR barcode you could take a picture with using your phone. Seems like a semi-reasonable idea to me.

    15. Re:I'm grateful by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, banning photoshop is nonsensical. It's not the tool, it's the use to which it is put.

      This sounds like a job for the swarm. There's a lot more people out there with photoshop experience, able to spot these kinds of manipulations, than these companies could hope to pursue. Let's not leave it just to Photoshop Disaster. If a few thousand geeks pursue them relentlessly, we could see real results.

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    16. Re:I'm grateful by CherniyVolk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked in a Print Shop for several years. Don't give me any of that dark room crap please. On one hand, you are right but you are intentionally blind to the exploitation that *will* take place giving *any* leniency to those in marketing and advertising. Their habitual lies resemble that of a heroin addiction in that, only a fool would suggest they might have any restraint.

      I'm tired of looking at advertisements. Of all the hamburgers I have ever eaten, not on has every looked remotely close to any of the hamburger advertisements for their respected establishment. EVER! Yet, the laws aren't in-place or enforced to ensure their advertisements are somewhat *accurate*? The only restaurants that has ever had reasonable display advertisements for their food are the 24hr Mexican food shops in Southern California; where they literally pick a random plate for a customer and take a picture, print it out and post it on the board.

      Is that what I want in advertisement, the grainy messy photos? YES! Because that's what you get at those establishments, and the images are damn accurate to what gets plopped in front of you! Bravo for the Roberto's of Southern California. If I want a artsy and obviously fake photo, I'll look for my computer's backdrop on deviantart.com.

      There is a measurable bounds here somewhere. While the skinny girl in the Ralph Lauren is so grotesquely obvious, I think everyone finds it to be equally obvious that much of any printed advertisement, is too, faked/corrected/enhanced or otherwise some sort of visual trickery like a weird angle off-color lights, accents and hilights, or any single or combination of other stupid tricks on presentation and aesthetics.

      It should all be banned from advertisement. If they want the burger to look good, then make the burger look good; it's a disservice to higher an artist to draw up a fantasy burger to pawn off as if it's an accurate representation.

    17. Re:I'm grateful by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [Photoshop] certainly is an extremely useful tool and can't be banned outright, however, they could impose very clear limits on retouching photos of people.

      Who is "they" and how would they impose these arbitrary limits on photo retouching?

      The problem isn't necessarily with the advertising agencies who are trying their best to fool us that their client/product is "better" than they actually are. That's what they've always done and that is what they will continue to do.

      The problem is with the increasing number of people in our society who lack critical thinking skills and don't question what is presented to them.

      What's nefarious about this particular DMCA take down notice is that its only purpose is to squelch critical opinion on advertising techniques. (It is also just another example of how the DMCA has little to do with copyright protection and is more about handing over control of our culture to the media companies).

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    18. Re:I'm grateful by mcsqueak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worked in a Print Shop for several years. Don't give me any of that dark room crap please.

      Good for you. My late father owned his own commercial photo studio and print lab for about 23 years, in which I spent a great deal of time. I have also shot photography professionally, so I know good and well about "darkroom crap" as well as clever tricks that can be pulled off during the photo shoot itself, without any after-manipulation.

      Here is how I see it: yes, it's gross and dishonest when advertisers try and use these tricks to pull a fast one on consumers. However, I think the problem is that we need to redefine what a photograph is.

      Only in print journalist (and not even there sometimes) is a photograph a literal slice of a moment in time. Most every other photograph needs to not be look upon as literal truth, but as an idealized version of reality.

      Think of all those photos of friends and family smiling, posing for a photograph. Is that how life is all the time? No, it's a posed photo, an idealized version of that point in time. I personally see photography much the same way, and try not to take it personally when a hamburger in an ad looks different than the one on my plate. It's fucked up, but that's how it is, in my view.

    19. Re:I'm grateful by mattack2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      or, hey, a bar code you can swipe with a cat-shaped thing, and make another company go bankrupt!

    20. Re:I'm grateful by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, where can I get the original source? I mean the model. I'd like to do some code checking. :P

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    21. Re:I'm grateful by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is awful the digital manipulation like this is used, however... and it just looks flat out FAKE. You can tell when someone has been over-Photoshopped because they just look "off" somehow.

      It is pretty sickening that Madison avenue has so distorted our view of how women should look that they're starting to move INTO the uncanny valley.

  3. It is kind of sad to think by rimugu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is kind of sad to think that some people will think she looks perfectly normal. Event though they have never seen someone like that, just other adds, tv, etc.

    1. Re:It is kind of sad to think by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, she looks perfectly normal for an Ethereal. I think that X-COM sould pay that advertisement company a visit and investigate a possible infiltration.

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    2. Re:It is kind of sad to think by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      Although it's typical for thin women to have little cleavage, sometimes you see the rare thin woman with large breasts.

      I know a woman like that, and hers are silicone. Hint to any young females out there who are thinking about breast augmentation -- silicone gets hard as it ages. When you hit forty, your tits will be hard as rocks. Hers are.

  4. Too open for abuse... by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The DMCA needs to be updated to have two points in it:
    1) Filing a claim that isn't supported by copyright law is fraudulent under the good faith premise of the filing process
    2) No guilty intent on the part of the filer is necessary for it to be civilly or criminally actionable.

    If you're some dumbass who files a report that is incompatible with the law, without knowing what the law says, no matter how right you thought you were, you should be guilty.

    This is one of the few areas where my instinct says that a guilty mind should not be necessary at all to punish someone.

    1. Re:Too open for abuse... by modecx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Filing a false DMCA notice is already an act of perjury, a potentially criminal act in this case. Of course, unless it's related to taxes or bearing false witness at a criminal trial, that crime almost always goes unprosecuted. Just make it easier to file a complaint.

      In a way it would be silly to waste the time and resources for such a petty thing, but it would be fun to send a message, especially to boneheaded law firms. If a few lawyers were locked up for a short time, I bet the casual filings of these notices would disappear overnight, the burden of proof would be strongly elevated, and this law could be used as intended--and not as a means to censure unpopular opinion.

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    2. Re:Too open for abuse... by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is one of the few areas where my instinct says that a guilty mind should not be necessary at all to punish someone.

      Your instinct isn't wrong. Courts have long upheld judgements that ignorance of the law is not a shield from it. Lawyers know this better than anyone but they make routine (ab)use of the fact that non-lawyers frequently aren't aware of their own rights and responsibilities.

      Additionally, you *can* go after someone who makes a false DMCA takedown claim. The problem is, the DMCA does not allow you to dispute the takedown notice until after the "infringing" material has been removed. To me, that's the most bullshit part of the fully-bullshit DMCA.

    3. Re:Too open for abuse... by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Informative

      Publishers are often extremely careless about sending out scattershot DMCA notices. For example, I'm the author of a free and open-source calculus textbook. My book is available on my own web site, and also on some other sites such as lulu and scribd. I got an email today from one of the folks at scribd saying they'd received the DMCA takedown notice below. The takedown notice is so vague and sloppy that it's hard to tell what they're even claiming. Are they claiming that scribd is violating my (Ben Crowell's) copyright? If so, then what business of it is theirs? (Macmillan isn't my publisher, and I've never heard of Attributor, Inc., until today.) Or are they claiming that my book contains content that infringes Macmillan's copyrights? (It would seem not, since they list "Original Work: Calculus," as if it's the entire book whose copyright is being infringed.)

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: <remediesspamproofing@attributor.com>
      Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:14 PM
      Subject: Unauthorized Use of Macmillan Publishers Material
      To: copyrightspamproofing@scribd.com

      *** Sent via Email - DMCA Notice of Copyright Infringement ***

      Dear Sir/Madam,

      I certify under penalty of perjury, that I am an agent authorized to act on
      behalf of the owner of the intellectual property rights and that the
      information contained in this notice is accurate.

      I have a good faith belief that the page or material listed below is not
      authorized by law for use by the individual(s) associated with the
      identified page listed below or their agents and therefore infringes the
      copyright owner's rights.

      I HEREBY DEMAND THAT YOU ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY TO REMOVE OR DISABLE ACCESS TO
      THE PAGE OR MATERIAL CLAIMED TO BE INFRINGING.

      This notice is sent pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA),
      the European Union's Directive on the Harmonisation of Certain Aspects of
      Copyright and Related Rights in the Information Society (2001/29/EC), and/or
      other laws and regulations relevant in European Union member states or other
      jurisdictions.

      My contact information is as follows:

      Organization name: Attributor Corporation As Agent for Macmillan Publishers
      Email: remediesspamproofing@attributor.com
      Phone: (650) 306 9474
      Mailing address:
      Attributor, Inc.
      1775 Woodside Road, Ste 100
      Redwood City, CA 94061

      *** INFRINGING PAGE OR MATERIAL ***
      Infringing page/material that I demand be disabled or removed in
      consideration of the above:

      Original Work: Calculus
      Infringing URL:
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/10559480/pdf-mathematics-calculus-volume-1
      Infringing URL: http://scribd.com/doc/240367/calculus-by-benjamin-crowell

      My electronic signature follows:
      Sincerely,
      Attributor, Inc.
      /s

    4. Re:Too open for abuse... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is, the DMCA does not allow you to dispute the takedown notice until after the "infringing" material has been removed.

      This is not true. The DMCA sets no limits on when you can dispute a takedown notice. It just doesn't require the service provider to notify the user until after (though "promptly" after) the material has been taken down, in order to remain in the safe harbor against liability to the user. Provided that it didn't interfer with the providers ability to "expeditiously" disable access to the material, a provider could remain within the safe harbor provision while notifying users before disabling access, particularly if they happened to be able to notify them in real time.

      Since the DMCA allows electronic signatures on coutnernotice, if they had an online, standard counternotice form as well, it might even be possible for them to provide a very brief window in which it was possible to file the counternotice before the access was disabled without falling outside of the requirements of either safe harbor provision.

      OTOH, providers are concerned about being sued by media companies, with whom they have no contracts limiting their liabilities, and not so much by their users, with whom they usually have contracts which are set up to restrict liability. So they are much more concerned with the safe harbor with respect to complaining potential copyright holders than anything else with regard to the DMCA takedown provisions.

    5. Re:Too open for abuse... by the_womble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You own the copyright and they are representing themselves as your agent under penalty of perjury?

      It sounds like they should be in trouble. The question is who it is up to to sue them.

  5. wth by MorderVonAllem · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I seriously can't understand how someone could even photoshop that and go 'Well, looks like my work is done here' or the marketing guy who ok'd the final product...sheesh

    1. Re:wth by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well there was, in the BB thread, an opinion put forward that the ad (as it was presented to Photoshop Disasters and then to Boing Boing) is a hoax and the result of a photoshop perspective transformation. In that thread, the poster shows the result of the reversal of this and the model looks far more 'human'.

      If you notice, the black bars down the side of the image in the story link become thicker at the bottom of the image.

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    2. Re:wth by vorpal22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I propose that photoshop-skinnying models is probably analogous to heavily salting food: the more you do it, the more desensitized you become to it, until you reach a point where it still seems natural to you but ridiculously overdone to everyone else.

    3. Re:wth by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 5, Informative

      More up-to-date, BB has posted that Ralph Loren has admitted a "my bad," and that they promise to be more diligent about it in the future. Scroll to just above the comments.

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    4. Re:wth by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please mod my parent post down - as the other replies point out, events have moved on:

      http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2009/10/blog_and_ralph_lauren_fight_over_skinny_model_ad.php

      "On Thursday, Polo Ralph Lauren released the following statement about the retouched ad: "For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately."

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    5. Re:wth by TheRon6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I propose that, for the simple reason that any male involved in fashion is gay (not a homophobic troll, hear me out!)

      *Goes on to imply that men participating in stereotypically feminine activities or caring about their appearance is wrong for no particular reason other than it being "gay" and that having such interests somehow makes men inherently weak.*

      Yeah... not a homophobic troll at all.

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  6. One of these days... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...these morons are going to figure out the whole Streisand Effect thing. Keep screwing yourselves, fellas.

  7. WTF kind of ad is that? by SoupGuru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact that anyone so much as had the idea to butcher the female form to that extent makes me want to raise any daughters I might have on some deserted island somewhere. That they actually went through with it... well, I'm speechless.

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    1. Re:WTF kind of ad is that? by dickens · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that if my healthy, athletic, 13yo daughter saw that picture you would get a Duane Johnson-esque eyebrow and a lifelong aversion to anything with the Ralph Lauren label.

  8. IANAL, question for real lawcritter by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the BB posts, noted that falsely issuing DMCA notices might be construed as abuse of process. If any real lawyers are lurking out there, could this be used as a counter tactic? What is the likely hood that you could make such a charge stick to the plantif or their counsel?

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    1. Re:IANAL, question for real lawcritter by mpoulton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the BB posts, noted that falsely issuing DMCA notices might be construed as abuse of process. If any real lawyers are lurking out there, could this be used as a counter tactic? What is the likely hood that you could make such a charge stick to the plantif or their counsel?

      The DMCA itself provides for penalties, both civil and criminal, for false takedown notices - it's perjury, and probably tortious interference with a business relationship. However, this case is not so clear-cut. They reproduced the ad in its entirety, unmodified. The fact that they subsequently ridiculed it may or may not really make this fair use. Most likely it does, but arguments exist both ways. Thus, there is enough law to make the takedown notice non-perjury.

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  9. I'm confused... by aztektum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ISP is in Canada? Why should they comply with a US law?

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  10. heroin chic is back? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone page Sir Mix-a-Lot.

  11. fuck the law by LordKaT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    blind obedience to words written by the social elite only keeps the populace oppressed.

  12. I don't want an apology for Heroes Reborn. by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was, however, surprised to find that Rob Liefeld was now working for Ralph Lauren.

    Look at it. Body parts which were obviously mixed and matched from several different mannequins, a spine that has to travel through another dimension to reach her pelvis, and no feet. Throw in a couple belts covered with pouches and you've got every Liefeld girl ever drawn.

  13. Re:Let me be the first to say by Attrition_cp · · Score: 5, Funny

    s/tap/snap/ig

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  14. Another shot of the model, more realistic by RichMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Found the link in a BoingBoing comment
    http://www.ralphlauren.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3558821&camp=affiliate_k108283
    She looks more human here.

  15. I work where they do a lot of these photoshoots by alen · · Score: 3, Informative

    don't work for anything fashion related, but in the same area in NYC. i see some of the models going in and out of the building and i swear in real life it's like they are auditioning for Schindler's List 2

    1. Re:I work where they do a lot of these photoshoots by mewsenews · · Score: 5, Funny

      Schindler's List 2: This time, he's checking it twice

  16. Terrible Photoshop work by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a horrible Photoshop paste job. Does that head even go with that body?

    There's a wry New Yorker article about Pascal Dangin, the leading photo retoucher for the New York fashion industry. The print version of that article has before and after pictures. He's much better than whomever did that botched Ralph Lauren ad.

    Dangin is much more subtle. Although he's been criticized for slimming down Madonna's arm muscles.

  17. Viral Advertising by Chruisan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought it was a viral ad for the sequel to Nightmare Before Christmas, Jana Skeleton Strkes Back!

  18. Re:Let me be the first to say by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative
  19. Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by VoxMagis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, the DMCA is stupid.

    Now, can I ask WHY people buy T-Shirts, undies, etc from big designers?

    I just don't see why you would buy something for $100 from a designer label when you can buy something without a name on it for $4. I mean, the amount of marketing that has to go into this must be insane! It would be one thing if the big fancy labels used legitimate, well-paid, non-sweatshop labor to make these things, but I don't see that happening.

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    1. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by TheABomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You might as well ask why peacocks display their plumage.

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    2. Re:Hey - a new Ask Slashdot idea is born! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      To attract peacunts, of course.

  20. Re:pa-ra-pum by noundi · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a few years, when this is forgotten, Ralphy will remember this as one of the skeletons in his closet.

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  21. While they're at it... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While they're at it, how about creating a "truth in News reporting" law. .. no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#In_USA

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    1. Re:While they're at it... by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The court held that Fox News had no obligation to report truthfully, and the First Amendment protects their right to lie. Therefore, the court held that firing a reporter for refusing to lie is not actionable under the whistleblower statute. The story can be seen in the feature length documentary film The Corporation." The Corporation is where I first heard of this. Journalistic Ethics is becoming a contradiction in terms. Activities should be categorized as "entertainment", or "journalism", or "advertising", and obviously different legal standards need to be applied to each. An informed public being necessary to the workings of a democracy, this is beyond stupid and well into a dangerous zone. As the law currently stands, behavior approaching that of treason is not actionable. In a democracy we've really only ourselves to blame for letting this happen to us, too.

  22. Re:NOT The Streisand Effect by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is the Streisand Effect because Ralph Lauren doesn't want anyone drawing attention to the fact that they photoshop the living crap out of their models to make them into non-human images.(The real reason for the takedown notice. You really don't think it was because they thought their actual copyrights were being violated did you? Why would they care if someone just ran their ad as is and gave them for free what they would normally need to pay someone to display?) Seeing as now even I, someone who has zero interest in fashion or Ralph Lauren, knows about this, I would say the Streisand Effect is working against them beautifully. Yes, Ralph Lauren does want publicity for their products, but does not want publicity on how they alter their images to make models look even more impossibly proportioned.

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  23. Re:pa-ra-pum by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm glad Doctorow had the spine to stand up to this. I really couldn't stomach another battle of talking heads.

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  24. Looking for the Streisand effect by ianezz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Remember, there's no such thing as "bad" advertising.
    1. Prepare an ad campaign with a so "badly" retouched photo that everyone having eyes can't avoid noticing it.
    2. Wait for some famous blogger to pick up the bait, telling his readers how bad the ad is
    3. Issue him a takedown notice, hoping that Mr. famous blogger goes doubly vocal on the issue as expected
    4. Wait some months: nobody remembers exactly the issue, but in many minds, the trademark of the advertiser is permanently associated with something shocking.

    The sad thing is that the famous blogger above has both every right to criticize the ad, and also he may gain further popularity in doing this. The only way for him to avoid being a pawn in the game is to ignore the whole argument, and that gains him nothing. It's an almost self-sustaining system, be prepared for more in the future.

  25. Re:Let me be the first to say by corbettw · · Score: 2, Informative
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  26. Baby Got Jack by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Funny

    Baby Got Jack

    I like small butts and I cannot lie,
    You honkies can't deny,
    When a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
    and a big thing in your face I get Sick,
    cuz I like a toothpick
    I'll beat that booty with a stick
    Even the jeans she's wearing, her pants
    are almost tearing
    No, baby I want a flat booty,
    That's tootie fruitie, while honkies tried to warn me
    that butt you've got is, oh, so corny ooh Chicken
    smooth skin you say you wanna get my olds,
    well peck me,
    peck me, cuz you ain't that average chickadee.
    Hell with romancin', I'll take her wallet dancin'
    Rich. Bitch. I'll dig for her money ditch
    So tired of ebony, Big butts are not my theme
    if you ask me what my
    flavour is I'll tell you vanilla ice cream
    So honkies
    (yeah) honkies(yeah) does your girlfriend have a derriere?
    (Hell yeah!)
    Well shrink it, shrink it, so I can get right down
    and dink it,

    Chorus:
    Baby got Jack (wh-white honkies with the real small boot-wh-white honkies with the real small booty)
    Baby got Jack (wh-white honkies with the real
    small boot-wh-white honkies with the real small booty)

    I like 'em flat and small, and when I'm in the mall,
    I just can't help myself
    I'm doing the dog pund
    call (woo woo woo woo)
    Don't like a sister, who farts
    while playing Twister.
    I wish those beans did miss her,
    even Uncle Ben would fist her
    I like my booties real
    slender and tender,
    And if I see a big booty, I'll
    put it in the blender
    Don't want a rear fender.
    I get into my Honda
    What the hell is an anaconda?
    All I know is that I like Jayne Fonda's, better than Yolanda's.

    Chorus

    Yeah, baby, when it
    comes to females, Comso knows everything what they're talking about
    36, 24, 36... haa haa, only if she's 7'8"

    Flat on the bottom, and I like it like that,
    Flat on the bottom, and I like it like that.

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  27. It's not even as if they had to bother... by davebooth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to her online profile, unphotoshopped that model is 5'8" and wears a size 6, measuring 33-24-35. No need to alter those proportions at all.

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    1. Re:It's not even as if they had to bother... by tokul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to her online profile,

      She is also eighteen, vegetarian and likes puppies. How do you know that online profile is not "photoshoped"?

  28. its satire, should be protected by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.metnews.com/articles/2009/legalcommunity012909.htm

    When courts are presented with a satire case, they don't say "this is a satire, so we will give it extra latitude." Rather, they painstakingly set out the manner in which the new work comments on some social condition and use that as a significant factor in their analysis. Satires are an unspoken subset of fair use, which often causes confusion among parodies, satires, and jokes.
    Courts haven't said much about the intersection of satire and fair use, although several cases provide insight into how it might be treated if the court were to consider the issue:
    The most recent case involved the artist Jeff Koons. He was paid $1.6 million to create a series of paintings entitled the "Easyfun-Ethereal" for Germany's Deutsch Bank. He culled advertising images and his own photographs, scanning them into a computer and digitally superimposing the scanned images against backgrounds of pastoral landscapes to comment on the ways in which our most basic desires are depicted in popular images. In one particular instance, Koons scanned a photo by Andrea Blanch, titled "Silk Sandals by Gucci," which was, as the title suggests, a photo of a pair of woman's feet wearing Gucci sandals. Blanch had shot the photo for a Gucci ad. Koons incorporated part of the photo into his own artwork, which depicted four pairs of women's feet and lower legs dangling over images of various dessert dishes.
    Blanch, recognized her photo. She was not happy. She sued.
    She lost.
    The court explained the satire in detail by describing the social comment being made, rather than sticking the satire label on the painting. In fact, the court doesn't mention the word. The court focused on the first fair use factor (the purpose and character of use), and said it weighed in favor of Koons' appropriation because the use of the photo was transformative and because its purpose was to demonstrate how advertising whetted our various appetites, not to sell shoes for Gucci. Koons used Blanch's work to comment on its social meaning rather than to exploit its creative virtues.

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  29. Well, not really... by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ISP in question is Canadian.

    I attended a talk by Michael Geist, where he said that 30% of Canadian ISPs comply with DMCA takedowns. This figure was presented by some pro-copyright lobby as "shocking" evidence that Canada is a lawless place where copyright isn't respected.

    Geist agreed that it was shocking - but for a different reason. He said it was shocking that 30% of our ISPs caved to a law from a foreign country, and complied with a request they had no legal requirement or authority to obey.

    1. Re:Well, not really... by jo42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some 'Canadian' ISPs, such as PEER1, are actually based out of the US.

      Throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the caving in to a law from a foreign country...

    2. Re:Well, not really... by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Canadian's

      Somebody shoot me.

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    3. Re:Well, not really... by Demolition · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read a bit farther, it appears that the ISP did cave and remove the image.

      Just to clarify... Boing Boing's ISP is Priority Colo. They did not cave.

      On the other hand, Photoshop Disaster's ISP, Blogspot, did cave in to the DMCA takedown notice. Needlessly, as it turned out.

  30. Not me by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    I didn't even read the article; I just came to this discussion because someone said there would be soup and sandwiches.

  31. So what? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually DMCA takedown notice is a benign part of that act, unlike anti-circumvention provisions.

    So what? It is NOT the law in Canada. We have laws guaranteeing public access to healthcare which are benign - does that mean that the US should be required to follow Canadian law? The correct response from the Canadian ISP should be to mail back an elementary school book explaining about how countries are different with a suggestion that they read it and learn something.

    I would also dispute how benign it actually is because it can be used to intimidate people into taking down material that they are legally entitled to show such as the case here.

    1. Re:So what? by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nope - culture, publishing, etc. was specifically EXEMPTED in NAFTA.

      And if you want to end NAFTA, be our guest. We'd love to see the provisions that guarantee you access to our specific percentages of our water and energy lifted, now that the auto makers aren't keeping up with keeping a proportionate share of production in Canada (I'm looking at you, Ford!).

      Don't forget - we're your #1 supplier of petroleum products - more than Saudi Arabia. If NAFTA goes, we can charge less for oil in our domestic markets, and grab a significant chunk of what's left of US manufacturing. And what you don't want to buy, China will be happy to take.

  32. Clearly by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's readily apparent here that they hold the copyright on all of calculus. By publishing a calculus book, in whole or even just an equation, you are obviously in violation.

    And a well-earned copyright that was. People don't just invent a calculus every day.

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