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NVIDIA To Exit Chipset Business
The rumor that we discussed a few months back is looking more real. Vigile writes "Once the darling of the enthusiast chipset market, NVIDIA has apparently decided to quit development of future chipsets for all platforms. This 'state of NVIDIA' editorial at PC Perspective first highlighted the fact that the company was backing away from its plans to develop a DMI-based chipset for Intel's Lynnfield processors due to legal pressure from Intel and debates over licensing restrictions. That effectively left NVIDIA out in the cold in terms of high-end chipsets, but even more interesting is the later revelation that NVIDIA has only one remaining chipset product to release, what we know as ION 2, and that it was mainly built for Apple's upcoming products. NVIDIA still plans to sell its current offerings, like MCP61 for AMD platforms and current generation ION for netbooks and nettops, but will focus solely on discrete graphics options after this final release."
Do we get mad at Intel?
This is a sad day.
Competition is good, I'm sorry.
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Tegra, Tegra, wherefore art though Tegra?
Do we get mad at Intel?
Yes. Intel hasn't produced a competitive GPU for its integrated graphics. This will become painfully apparent once web sites start to use JavaScript bindings for OpenGL ES.
due to many problems. reports of data corruption at the design level (not build or parts but *design* faults). their ethernet drivers were horribly reverse engineered and never came close to the stability of the eepro1000, for example. at least on linux.
there were issues with sata and compatibility.
in short, they were over their heads. glad they finally admitted it (sort of).
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No they are stopping production of their nForce line of motherboards.
They better have a compelling product with the upcoming fermi then, but from I what I hear they're trying to design their GPUs for more general purpose computing, specifically scientific computations. It's a really big gamble and I can't see that it will be a huge market. Their upcoming products are supposed to have 3 billion transistors which is way more than 4x the amount in an i7 CPU. It's probably going to cost a ton too.
I would argue Intel's strength relies a little on the U.S. intellectual property laws and procedures. If the country loosened intellectual property law, Nvidia might have a chance in hell.
But this is also about a global market where 80% of product comes from maybe 10% of all possible manufacturers and there are few laws preventing Intel from doing all kinds of market shenanigans in places like China.
I know the loosening of intellectual property laws would help Nvidia's case, but I don't think it would bring about a semi-competitive marketplace because this market (global OEM) has few legal constraints.
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...that nVidia are at least giong to make a stab at providing graphics-enabled southbridges or something... as for things like HTPC's an Intel CPU + nVidia integrated graphics is brilliant. If I'm in the market that's looking for integrated graphics (in the case of HTPC's, power usage and space considerations) then the GPU is more important than the CPU... and I find myself being pushed to AMD for the whole platform.
Intel is really shooting themselves in the foot with all the bus licensing stuff IMHO. By scaring off nVidia IGP's, they're left with their own mediocre offerings which, in my experience, are vastly inferior even in graphics tasks that don't involve 3D.
If nVidia can supply us with miniscule IGP's-on-a-PCIe-stick-for-a-tenner then great, but their recent developments seem to be pushing themselves into niche applications (bigger and bigger GPU dies primarily) and I'm worried an Intel platform will make me choose between Intel IGP or a power-guzzling graphics card. Heck, pretty much every machine I've built for others in the last five years has come with an ATI or nVidia IGP because I don't know anyone that games.
Disclaimer: I have every type of GPU in my house; I use nVidia IGP's for all my HTPC's since they're the only ones that are consistently good for HD content under both windows and Linux. Intel IGP's suck for video (my X3100 can't keep up with SD x264 scaled over a 1900x1200 screen without tearing and lag) but are fine for my laptops (low power usage preferred), and a mix of ATI and nVidia grpahics cards on the machines that need 3D. I was annoyed enough when nVidia IGP's stopped appearing for AMD boards, but not having them at all will be a serious pain in the arse.
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Let me quote the fine summary:
I'll let you decide, which of these two questions that quote is relevant for:
... if it weren't a complete fabrication.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-graphics-chipset,8821.html They have explicitly stated they have no intention of leaving the chipset business.
x86 would go nowhere if only IBM could make PCs, only open OEM market achieved dominance of competitors like Apple or Commodore. If Intel is not letting other people release chipsets/motherboards for it's own processors but AMD is free for all, any technical advantages of Core/Xeon would not be enough to slowly erode the market share in favor of a more open product.
They are stopping their nForce line of chipsets (as in, northbridge/southbridge). I couldn't be the only one to see this coming a mile away, could I? Before AMD acquired ATI, they and Nvidia were perfect partners. After that they became a lot less relevant. With Intel and AMD producing their own well regarded "gamer-grade" products for some time now, I can see why Nvidia sees little point in fighting.
Reported at HardOCP... http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/08/nvidia_statement_on_chipset_business
NVIDIA's Ken Brown wanted to give us NVIDIA's thoughts on the current state of its chipset business. So here it is in its full text.
Hi,
We've received a number of inquiries recently about NVIDIA's chipset (MCP) business. We'd like to set the record straight on current and future NVIDIA chipset activity.
On Intel platforms, the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M/ION brands have enjoyed significant sales, as well as critical success. Customers including Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Samsung, Acer, ASUS and others are continuing to incorporate GeForce 9400M and ION products in their current designs. There are many customers that have plans to use ION or GeForce 9400M chipsets for upcoming designs, as well.
On AMD platforms, we continue to sell a higher quantity of chipsets than AMD itself. MCP61-based platforms continue to be extremely well positioned in the entry CPU segments where AMD CPUs are most competitive vs. Intel
We will continue to innovate integrated solutions for Intel’s FSB architecture. We firmly believe that this market has a long healthy life ahead. But because of Intel’s improper claims to customers and the market that we aren’t licensed to the new DMI bus and its unfair business tactics, it is effectively impossible for us to market chipsets for future CPUs. So, until we resolve this matter in court next year, we’ll postpone further chipset investments for Intel DMI CPUs.
Despite Intel's actions, we have innovative products that we are excited to introduce to the market in the months ahead. We know these products will bring with them some amazing breakthroughs that will surprise the industry, just as GeForce 9400M and ION have shaken up the industry this year.
We expect our MCP business for both Intel and AMD to be strong well into the future.
Let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for your interest.
Best,
Ken
All of the above plus Intel is going to put the GPU on the CPU soon.
Intel is going to kill the integrated graphics market with that move and AMD/ATI is planning on doing the same thing.
So since Intel's GPUs are terrible we will just have to wait and see what comes of this.
The big impact I see is on Apple. They are really tied to Intel but have been using nVidia GPUs .
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ONLY for the new i5/i7 architecture and beyond...
There is no contest in life for which the unprepared have the advantage.
This isn't new, they knifed it a year+ ago. I wrote it up then:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1021993/nvidia-chipsets-history
and no one believed it. Now that NV has no choice but to admit it, they stopped pretending. Yay?
They are doing the same thing about their "not killing" the GTX285/275/260, it is just a temporary shortage or some twaddle. This one won't take a year to admit though.
-Charlie
NVIDIA has clearly stated that this is not the case in a press release as recently as... yesterday:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-graphics-chipset,8821.html#xtor=RSS-181
That has absolutely nothing to do with the story in question. It is a refutation to the ridiculous claim that "Nvidia is abandoning the entire high end and mid-range graphics market".
So, they are stopping development of AMD chipsets, and stopping development of the Intel chipsets, leaving.... what again?
And their triumphant "no we are not" leaving statement amounts to, "We are going to sell the ones we have designed". Great. As long as Intel makes FSB chips, they can continue to trickle out older chipsets. But no new ones. And they aren't leaving. And there are no American tanks in Baghdad.
Come on, the only reason they are countering this is because the financial community is noticing, and that might downgrade the stock. Even an extremely slow monkey can read what they are saying.
-Charlie
Intel's Larrabee multi-core CPU/GPU should be interesting to see.
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>>>ONLY for the new i5/i7 architecture and beyond...
I for one welcome our new Intel overlords. Maybe Apple will get smart and switch to AMD-based macintoshes. Too bad the 68000 series no longer exists, so we could have some real alternatives.
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"Do we get mad at Intel?"
Yeah, they made Nvidia look bad by putting out chipset that met spec, survived average use, then had the gall to not hide the fact! (see http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377) I mean really, how can Intel do business like that? And people wonder why Nvidia is bailing, then trying to hide it before Wall Street notices and downgrades them more.
The story goes like this.
1) Nvidia stops designing future chipsets
2) Nvidia blames Intel for nebulous atrocity
3) Nvidia hides the facts
4) It gets out
5) Nvidia admits it
6) Wall Street notices (several analyst reports out on the subject today)
7) Nvidia realizes that Wall Street noticed
8) Nvidia backpedals, hard, fast, and with all due slime
The 'denial' they are throwing around now states that they are not going to develop AMD chipsets anymore, not going to develop Intel chipsets anymore, and only going to continue selling the ones they have made. Until Intel stops making FSB chips in a few months, then it WILL be Intel's fault somehow.
Back to the original question, can you explain how Nvidia voluntarily stopping design of AMD chipsets is Intel's fault? :)
I saw this a year ago when I saw them stop most if not all future chipset products. I wrote it up. Nvidia denied it. A year later, they announce a stoppage for a few hours until the implications sink in. Then they deny it.
Yup. Intel. Those bastards!
I agree about the competition part, but this isn't sad, it was planned.
-Charlie
Intel will be putting graphics on the CPU, according to their roadmap.
AMD will be putting graphics on the CPU, according to their roadmap.
At that point the GPU is already a "sunk cost", noone will buy an integrated GPU that's only slightly better than another integrated GPU. It's also not only legal reasons, but also about pricing, timing, access to resources and so on. Intel can increase license costs, do accounting so more profits go on processors, delay launches of competing chipsets, deny access to resources trying to work out incompatibilies or instabilities and so on. Intel is doing extremely well and is ready to do that landgrab, one way or the other. I think nVidia is doing a better play as the victim of Intel's legal department rather than being gently pushed out the door as the GPU joins the CPU.
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Fuckin' A.
I never thought it would come to this and I'm sorry to see them go.
WTF? Over?
They have a huge contract with Apple as they've adopted NVidia chipsets for pretty much the entire Mac product line. Given that Jobs would preemptively shift to another chipset platform in the last round of announcements if this were even remotely true, I seriously doubt that NVidia would even think of limiting further R&D in their chipsets to Ion 2.
Unfortunately I'm used to the editors slipping at least twice a day...
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Maybe this is a sign that NVIDIA is going more towards ARM, that has always been a system-on-a-chip architecture. Tegra lineup is a very nice product already, with ARM going Cortex-A9 and multicore this year, maybe Nvidia just has a more important space to play in, than to tinker around with x86 chipsets ?
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I stopped using discrete modems and went for winmodems (softmodems) almost immediately because of the latency getting the data through the serial port. Sadly, it is the same for graphics cards which is why you will never catch me dead with one in my machine. I will pown (sic) you all everyday of the week.
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nVidia has published an official response.
http://hardocp.com/news/2009/10/08/nvidia_statement_on_chipset_business
It looks like long-term, Intel and AMD/ATI are going to be the only games in town. That wouldn't worry me a whole lot, because I think their stuff looks good on paper, and they'll compete. And both of them are slowly advancing their open source drivers. But the key word is "slowly." If, say, you want to buy a machine to use as a MythTV box or something like that, right now NVidia is currently the only one it makes sense to buy. Anybody else, and you're going to have to decode your video with CPU and read promises about how some day you might not have to. I hate reading promises.
I am not looking forward to the day when these two windows of acceptability don't overlap. What happens you want to build a box and neither Nvidia nor Intel not AMD have a product that can actually be used, either because they're gone (Nvidia) or their drivers aren't yet working (Intel and AMD)? That is going to suck.
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Which means what the GP said. Nvidia's integrated graphics solutions come in the form of Nvidia chipsets (of which the nForce is the most common). If they're no longer making chipsets, then they're no longer making integrated graphics. There's still the possibility of a maker taking a discrete chip and adding it separately to the motherboard PCB, but with virtually every modern northbridge chip having built in graphics already I don't see that happening. The people who are satisfied with integrated will use that, the people who want something better will want to do so via upgradeable addon cards.
Truthfully, I just don't see the wisdom in this decision. I'd have sooner expected Nvidia to announce that they were leaving the discrete graphics chip market rather than the chipset market.
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Really? That can't be good.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
I was trying not to pimp my own stuff, but since you asked.....
Short story #1, the G200b based cards are huge and need expensive PCBs. They cost more to make than the upcoming and likely faster ATI Juniper parts, so NV will have to wrap a $20 bill around each card to make them sell. Not a long term good business plan. I can't say more because I was prebriefed on the ATI cards and agreed not to talk about them. When you read this, keep in mind that I gave Nvidia a very generous benefit of the doubt. You will understand why a lot better next week or so.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-will-crater-gtx260-and-gtx275-prices-soon/
Short story #2, a short while after I finished the above story, I got a call detailing how the GTX260/275/285 and possibly 295 were being killed. I wrote it up here:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/
If you go back and look, the Nvidia denials and attacks against me are personal and do not address the facts, just attack the messenger. Kyle posted one from Ken Brown at Nvidia here:
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/07/nvidia_abandons_market6363636363/
Note HOW they say it, and what they do NOT say. They did the EXACT same thing a year ago when they were denying the chipset knifings. You could almost take this as desperate spinning because their pants are so firmly around their ankles that they can't run, and they can't refute the facts because I am right.
Then again, what do I know.
-Charlie
Note: Cue the Nvidia fanbois in 3.... 2.... 1.....
Except that Intel cannot build a decent GPU. Only a mediocre one.
Try plugging an SSD into one of those chipsets and see how far you get. Especially an Intel SLC SSD. Then go look for a patch on Nvidia's site.
Intel had to patch around Nvidia's bugs, Nvidia wouldn't. There is a long list of these things.
They may exist, but I wouldn't call them good. They essentially haven't been touched, just renamed, and are seriously showing their age.
-Charlie
what about SLI is that Dead to? and also what is the status of the intel chipsets with sil support? is this a sign that Crossfire has won?
They are in a legal dispute with Intel and currently cannot produce chipsets for Intel's new CPUs.
They probably find that they cannot recoup the costs of developing an IGP chipset for just the AMD platform.
And in the quite short term (1yr), Video will move off the chipset and on to the CPU package, making IGP chipsets a dead-end.
Since the Video part has always been the strong point of nVidia's chipsets, they see no point in continuing in the chipset business with non-IGP parts. I understand why.
If I were them, I'd jump into the CPU business though, for fear of getting Matroxed into irrelevance.
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Well, as Apple made public knowledge when they switched to Intel, (not an exact quote) "we develop, compile, and test OS X on multiple hardware platfors, always have since the very first day of development, include new processor platforms as they come available, and can change to an alternate platform at any time."
IBM appears to be working on a low power P6/P7 architecture, AMD has some nice new stuff, They have their own fab now for low power CPUs, I'm sure they're compiling against Atom and likely even Cell...
Honetly, as long as GPUs remain seperate from CPUs, it's long past time when the north/southbridge became integrated into the core CPU silcon. They already added the memory controller and other mainboard resources, now the base systems bus and other common components could all be included. nVidia really is doing the right thing moving into alternate markets, this one IS dying, this may actually be good for both nVidia and intel as it gives intel an advantage in being able to seperate and move away from current trends easier, and gives nVidia a more consolodated and focussed research effoer for GPU/CPU acceleration - generic core processing technology.
nVidia will still reap a LOT of profit from the existing systems for years, and makes a killing in GPUs and AMD chipsets. Saving this reaserch money, shutting down the facilities, and in the end almost certainly winning a case against intel for a few hundred million in cash down the road, this is a great opportunity for them, and I commend their decision.
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Then there's also the whole thing of nVidia producing utter crap chipsets... That might have a teeny weeny little something to do with it.
It has nothing to do with intel's "market dominance" and everything to do with nVidia's inability to be competitive in a market segment they know little about, and the shoddy crap they try to pass off as a chipset. Once you put the koolaid down and have an objective look at their product, it simply sucks.
I've had 3 of them and all three were utter garbage. DFI, Gigabyte, ASUS, it didn't matter. Every time it turned out to be the MCP in the chipset or some other part of it failing or not working correctly to begin with. In one case the interrupt controller didn't work at all with a dual core CPU and on both linux and MS Windows they had to put a "software" interrupt controller in the kernel to make it work with a dual core cpu. As you might guess this made the multi cpu performance _worse_ than a single cpu. And this was a chipset designed for multi-core CPUs.
I've subsequently had 2 AMD crossfire chipsets, both worked perfectly. nVidia chipsets are 0-3 in my book.
Good riddance...
That's hundreds of thousands of consumers that won't get burned. Intel or AMD chipsets for the win...
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At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, I LOVE nVidia hardware and have always opted for nVidia chipsets whenever possible. I've had excellent experience with them, especially when it comes to drivers and support. They just plain work. I've never had a driver conflict or any other bug happen. They work the first time, every time. No comparability issues, no bugs, no need for patches etc. Always smooth as silk.
That's just my own personal experience and I'm sure someone out there will dispute it, but for me, consistent positive experiences like that are something no advertising can buy. I've had enough experience with products from Intel, AMD, ATI (before and after merging with AMD), Matrox, Creative and... well, you name it. They generally work fairly well, but none have been as headache free as nVidia.
Just like when VIA announced they'd stop making chipsets:
Good riddance, nVidia. Take your bowl of broken, buggy chipsets with you on the way out.
Next up: SiS.
I'd have mentioned ServerWorks, but they got brought by Broadcom. Oh, in that case:
Next up: Broadcom.
Larrabee might change that. Or it could be another i740.
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nVidia was playing the same game in terms of wanting an excessive amount to license SLI to Intel. That was why Intel boards used to only support Crossfire, not SLI. ATi licensed it for a minimal fee, nVidia didn't because they wanted to push their own chipset products.
They won't kill it, not when Intel has historically released the worst graphics chipsets on the market.
They are -years- behind ATI/nVidia when it comes to graphics, and gamers won't accept inferior Intel shit.
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The summary and the official response say the same damn thing. Furthermore, if you would have RTFA, you would know that it quotes the official statement that every one is posting, giving a paragraph by paragraph critique of how it does not refute anything, just tries to spin it nicely for the stockholders.
NVIDIA currently has no plans to create any new AMD or Intel chipsets after the ION2. Period.
Does this mean that we'll be able to use Nvidia SLI on a non-nvidia chipset motherboard now?
If so, hurray!
It's the new imac and mini thinner with Intel GMA video half the speed of are old system and $100 less.
apple should move to ati/amd and dump low end intel systems. The ATI780g / 790GX video systems kicks intel laptop cpu + intel gma video and the mini and imacs need to have desktop cpus and much better video cards. Apple can keep intel in the laptops + ati video and the high end mac pro and make the xmac.
Their only chance of getting into the CPU business is ARM. x86 is a licensing dead-end. Luckily companies like TI, Apple, Nokia, and Google are driving a wedge in there, so they might be able to get their foot through the door with those high-performance 2ghz ARM quad-cores that are supposed to come out in 2010 or 2011.
Sorry, it won't be as "good" as the i740.
Just what exactly happened with the platform nVidia was putting together with VIA? From what I can tell, the specs looked pretty good, and then nVidia suddenly killed it.
What they were putting together seemed to resemble their current ION platform, except intended for the Nano CPU. I'm guessing there was some kind of nVidia-Intel deal that resulted in the sudden switch between CPUs? Still, I can't understand why nVidia would swap out VIA (which really needs the business) for Intel, who pretty much has no interest in pricing Atom at a level that would let a competitor take part of their chipset business.
I hate to say it but I hardly think Intel makes a "well regarded 'gamer grade' product" with reference to GPUs. Intel GMA is at the bottom of the totem pole in gaming...
who uses integrated graphics for gaming anyway? if nvidia won't sell you a competitive addin card buy one from amd/ati. gb
that's much better......
Isn't this move inviting AMD back, in a big way? AMD has a very strong chipset offering that, when all things considered, may tip the choice in favor of an AMD cpu even though it may seem a poor choice initially.
Right on! Before they bail out of the business, the should refund the money of the people who (often unknowingly) bought their garbage.
I had similar problems with the Intel X3100 on my mythtv box. You can fix the problem by telling mplayer to use the overlay port (I inserted vo=xv:port=138 into my mplayer config).
I'm pushing 720p mp4 content to a 1080p panel with no issues now!
Don't forget the mobile chipset debacle either. Virtually every HP made in the last three years has an nVidia chipset, and due to a manufacturing defect they all fail at around the 1 year mark. At work we have seen over 150 of these in the past year, all with the same fault.
Typical symptoms are: powers on but screen remains blank, wifi randomly drops out, screen randomly goes black, does not turn on at all. It's no just HPs, other manufacturers are affected, but HP are the only ones who used nVidia chips in all their consumer laptops. The dv9000 and dv6000 series are particularly bad.
HP are doing everything they possibly can to get out of dealing with this. Their "fix" has been to release a new BIOS that underclocks the GPU to try and prevent it heating up (which is the cause of the faulty due to improper soldering and problems with the materials used) giving you a laptop of lower spec than you paid for and which will still die just now it will be out of warranty. Even the warranty replacements only have the same motherboards so will also die outside the warranty period.
I'm amazed this has no had more coverage. There are some sites like hplies.com, but you would think the mainstream press would get in on it.
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So since Intel's GPUs are terrible we will just have to wait and see what comes of this.
I don't know why everybody hates Intel's basic integrated GPUs. While they certainly won't run Crysis, they're fine for a little laptop, use little power and manage to handle stuff like the OpenGL effects of the KDE or Gnome desktops (or presumably the current Windows desktops, which may be less demanding) just fine.
They aren't fit for high end games but work fine for casual office and network use. They're cheap and save power. I neither need nor want the same GPU in my laptop as in my desktop.
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For non-gamers, they are great; cheap, and excellent driver support (that is, they release working, stable drivers early in the hardware life cycle).
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http://www.finkelsteinthompson.com/investigation/hp_laptop_wireless_failure_investigation.php
Isn't just wireless that dies--it just dies first. The whole laptop follows.
Same problem is happening with HP and Compaqs Slimline desktops. Just had one of those in here with an identical problem. DOA. Fortunately I found the customer is entitled to a 12 month extension on his original warrantee. Runs out December 31.
Beware!
I'm not at all certain this is a nVidia problem so much as HP trying to cram a high performance graphic chip onto a motherboard without adequate heat dissipation. But it's a very real problem.
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Ah yes, the dv2000 series too. They are all affected as well.
Apparently the deal HP and nVidia came to is that they will split the cost of "fixing" the problem which means about $100 each per laptop. Of course, by "fix" they mean "keep shoving in more faulty parts until the warranty expires".
In the UK you can get an item replaced or refunded up to two years after buying it. Even though the minimum warranty term is only one year, retailers have to offer an exchange or refund for two years thanks to EU consumer protection law. I spoke to someone at PC World about this and he admitted it had been a huge problem for them, with literally thousands or irate customers demanding replacement laptops from his store alone.
I just can't believe how little press this gets, considering the astounding scale of the problem. Every single consumer laptop HP made in the past 3 years is affected, not to mention other brands. That has to be hundreds of thousands of laptops, at least. The worldwide figure must be well up in the tens of millions.
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Great news. Their chipsets (except for nForce 2) sucks badly.
Intel's integrated graphics can not handle 1080p decoding as well as nVidia's ion and ATIs integrated GPUs. That will be the new minimum GPU requirement IMHO.
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Intel's integrated graphics can not handle 1080p decoding as well as nVidia's ion and ATIs integrated GPUs. That will be the new minimum GPU requirement IMHO.
I don't really see this as a problem. But then I don't really watch TV on my laptop (I have a USB thingie that could grab the DVB-T stuff, but then I'd need an antenna that actually works on the road which it why it permanently lives on my workstation) and it cannot read BR disks. And there just isn't that much HD content online so far.
I even wonder if the screen display 1080 pixels vertically... I think it's 1200x800 or something.
So IMO not a big issue at the moment although it will probably be one of these days when the format becomes ubiquitous. Then it's really a question of having the right decoder (or at least enough of the costly bits, cycle-wise) hardwired somewhere as a lot of chipsets do nowadays.
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Who cares? Yeah I love competition but it's not like nVidia wasn't just making the wrong decisions left and right for years now. I mean, what does it say when ATI opens up more than you on drivers (AMD buyout notwithstanding)? Or how about never disclosing whether exactly which chipsets were the problem ones over the last 3 years.
I've suffered through 2 nVidia cards in a row and their drivers suck, and I mean they suck in comparison to the ones ATI crapped out years ago (pre AMD ownership) for the Radeon 9800 Pro. I mean, ATI has produced a ton of crappy cards but with copious amounts of research and buying the absolute best nVidia cards (BFG Tech usually) I can't find a one that even holds a candle.
nVidia is sad and has been anti-consumer and anti-open source for years. Screw 'em.
Well Hulu, Netflix, and even YouTube HD video is becoming very popular. Frankly I think that 720pd decoding would be good enough for most people.
1080p is becoming the standard for external monitors. You really don't want to drive an LCD at anything but it's native resolution so I see 1080p as being the standard very soon.
I agree that most GPUs can handle this but right now Intel just can not with anything less than a Core2Duo. That is where nVidia's ion/9400m really get the leg up on Intel for the integrated GPU market.
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