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Warez Moving From BitTorrent to Conventional Hosting Services

ericatcw writes "Driven by increased crackdowns on BitTorrent sites such as The Pirate Bay, software pirates are fast moving their warez to file-hosting Web sites like RapidShare, reports Computerworld. According to anti-piracy vendor V.I. Labs, 100% of the warez in its survey were available on RapidShare, which, according to Alexa, is already one of the 20 largest sites in the world. V.I. Labs' CEO predicts file-hosting sites such as RapidShare will supplant BitTorrent, as the former appear better protected legally."

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  1. captain obvious by MoFoQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this one needs a "no sh*t sherlock" tag...

    obviously, when u stamp out one source....and not the demand, a new source will come to existence to fill in that demand.

    Rapidshare, Megaupload, netload, etc. have been around for a while and do have legitimate uses (some times, trying to send to a 20MB PDF or Illustrator (.ai) advertising file can wreak havoc on email, especially with some of the free email ones or if your client is a small business).

    Some opensource apps also use the services to host mirrors to their downloads to lighten the load on their own servers.

    1. Re:captain obvious by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, moving to paid services is one of those short-sighted, brain-dead lemming moves the general public gets involved in periodically. This is simply so because most such sites need actual payment to download (unless you want to download 1 file per 24 hours at something like 10k/s in the "free", "oh how much faster it would go if you only gave us your Credit Card number", "trial" mode - and never you mind horrid java-script hells of a "web page" all of these "services" feature).

      The end result is that there is a complete trail of uploaders, their IP Addresses, their emails, but what's even better, there is a complete trail of all downloaders, including their IP Addresses, emails, user ids and, the Holy Grail of RIAA, MPAA and BSA snooping campaigns: actual financial transactions of these donwloaders which immediately yield their identities and bonus preculde any possible defense of "sharing between friends" as there is actual money changing hands.

      In short: stupidity squared on the part of any people who use RapidShare, MegaUpload and a bunch of similar scams, people who have no clue about the implications of their actions and were, due to their ignorance of technology driven into arms of these scams by the PR campaigns against P2P, people who got brainwashed into believing that the direct-download sites are "safer". All it will take is one of them getting sued and happily forking over all the logs and financial records. Than again, odds are that some of them are already controlled by MPAA etc as a result of some behind-the-scenes settlements.

      No such thing was possible with BitTorrent as a vast majority of tracker sites are anonymous. The snobs participating in "private trackers" had more elevated levels of exposure because of their "registration" process offered additional levels of forensic evidence. In fact most P2P systems offer as the only point of identification the IP Address, which does not immediately translate into a personal identification (unlike your MasterCard with which you paid RapidShare) due to dynapmic IP assignments, possible WiFi holes, access by other people to your computer and what not.

      In short, it will take only a series of mega-busts of MegaUpload users, followed by rapid (due to excellent and undeniable forensic evidence) convictions, until the lemmings will run back to more anonymous and thus more sane methods of file-sharing.

    2. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You talk about Bit torrent use like it's in the past, however it's very much a live and kicking.

    3. Re:captain obvious by MoFoQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      never heard of jdownloader?

      it doesn't have to use a "paid/premium" account to access those files and it automates a lot of the tedious aspects of the free versions of the services.
      plus there are services out there meant for uploading to those file hosting services, anonymously and automatically, as well as payment services from various countries that don't share the bed with the lobbyists like the US/UK/France that handle the payment services as well as proxy services...

      yes...I can go on and on.
      It's a cat-and-mouse game, where the mouse usually is more savy and has a head-start.

    4. Re:captain obvious by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In fact most P2P systems offer as the only point of identification the IP Address, which does not immediately translate into a personal identification

      Apparently you've not been following the RIAA lawsuit mill. According to them (and the majority of courts which have bought into it) an IP address is unquestionable proof of identity. The fact that it's not doesn't matter if you've been screwed into the ground by a frivolous lawsuit.

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    5. Re:captain obvious by FallinWithStyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed... But really though, rs is going to overtake torrents the day that users decide manually downloading 800 pieces of a file from a server is easier than letting an app do it for you (from a network of peers, none the less).

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    6. Re:captain obvious by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, nobody will ever be convicted of anything. They may be found LIABLE after the RIAA proves a preponderance of the evidence is in their favor but nobody is getting convicted of anything. There's a reason the MAFIAA keeps using civil suits rather than trying to pursue things in criminal courts.

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    7. Re:captain obvious by logjon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Again, you're disregarding prepaid credit cards that leave no such trail. You are aware it's nearly 2010 correct?

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    8. Re:captain obvious by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BT (and any other pure P2P system) is safer simply because there are additional hoops for the MPAAs of the world to jump through (like ISPs and privacy laws) to get your identity and even so such identity is unreliable (unless your lawyer is a dolt or you have been completely unprepared and are keeping all your downloaded stuff in the open, have no WiFi routers etc).

      This is of course not an impregnable defence but its orders of magnitude harder to crack then simply asking MegaUpload for all your downloads in your account, cross-correlated with your identity coming from your financial record (note that the prickly ISP problem has been circumnavigated neatly).

      P2P can be made far more secure, and it has been, like for example the Japanese Winny system (which was a cross between something like FreeNet and a typical P2P system like Gnutella) and its more modern successor the Perfect Dark. If coupled with steganographic storage, good user practices and other tricks, such systems can be made near-impractical to crack, to the point that mere knowledge of the IP address is (practically) useless from the perspective of copyright witch-hunters.

    9. Re:captain obvious by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, you do not seem to understand. Prepaid cards are a money laundering loophole, far more serious to the powers-that-be than some nerds downloading pilfered porn off of RapidShare. You are thinking: "merry mouse-and-cat chases with the RIAA", they are thinking: "Osama Bin Laden agents paying for communications and bomb components". It doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going to happen in this case.

    10. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are aware that it's not actually illegal to download warez, right?

    11. Re:captain obvious by MoFoQ · · Score: 2, Informative

      one word.... jdownloader

      makes downloading RS easy
      (still time consuming)
      It can even do RS folders automatically.

    12. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop calling these sites a scam. Bandwidth is not free (nor cheap) and the amount of gigabytes transferred on these sites daily is huge. They don't limit download speed for free users to be mean, or force you to pay for the service; there are physical limits to these things, and that translates into free users getting the blunt end of the stick. These sites provide a legitimate service, whether you think it is worth it or not is up to you, obviously a lot of people seem to think the service is worth it. There is no way they could afford the amount of bandwidth they use with ads alone.

      I am happy to pay 10 dollars every once in a while (I tend not to keep up my subscription, but there are some months with a lot of stuff coming out that I pay) for really good speeds downloading mirrors of demos or installers etc. A lot of people have files that they simply cannot afford to host anywhere, and the amount of not annoying download services that are free are pretty slim.

    13. Re:captain obvious by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

      "stores always have to accept cash. it is legal tender, you can't not take it."

      Do you live in the US? I live right in the middle of it, and an extremely large number of business now refuse to accept $50 or $100 bills. I assume they would cite counterfeiting as the concern, but I think it's pure bullshit.

      If you do business in the US, you ought to have to accept US currency.

      If you are owed money in the UK, you must accept legal tender: Bank of England notes of value £50, £20, £10 and £5, coins of value £5, £2, £1 in any amount, up to £10 worth of 50p and 20p; up to £5 of 10p and 5p, and up to 20p of 2p and 1p. You can (of course) accept anything else.

      When you ask to buy something from a shop, you don't owe anyone any money, so the shopkeeper can decided what to accept. Many won't accept £50 notes.

      So, the bus driver is allowed to refuse to take your £50 note, or your handful of 1p coins. But if you get a fine for not having a ticket they have to accept legal tender for payment of the fine.

    14. Re:captain obvious by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      My mother was a crackhead, you insensitive clod.

      (I've always wanted to do one of these. I'll stop now... ..probably.)

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    15. Re:captain obvious by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not it's not, it's DYING!

      <whisper>(shut up!)</whisper>

    16. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The following are also not legal tender in the UK:

      Amounts in 1p and 2p coins over the value of 20p
      Amounts in 5p and 10p coins over the value of £5
      Amounts in 20p and 50p coins over the value of £10

      So anyone attempting to pay their £1000 fine or bill in pennies to try and be clever is going to be shit out of luck because no one has to accept it.

  2. xIAA loses by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    with things moving away from p2p and back to the client-server model, the number of people open to lawsuits drops dramatically. downloaders are no longer forced to upload, so they're no longer "making available", the the most they can be realistically charged with is making one copy.

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    1. Re:xIAA loses by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Erm, but the whole weakness of the client-server model is that there's a single point of failure - the server. Napster got taken down easily. I don't care if these sites are hosting other fiels amongst illegal torrents, you better believe the MAFIAA will sue the fuck out of Rapidshare and/or they'll just remove these torrents as much as they can.

  3. Free games? by nycguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean RapidShare has something else besides porn on it? I'm going to have to grab my other joystick!

  4. That's not new by jeffasselin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of warez stuff has been hosted on such services for a while now, it's only more noticeable because other services are being used less.

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    1. Re:That's not new by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Definitely not news. Before peer-to-peer became a buzzword, a common way of distributing this kind of thing was to slit it into lots of rar files and upload each to a free hosting service. Things like i-drive and geocities, for example, would host things for free with something like a 10MB limit. A 100MB file would be split across ten of these sites and there'd be a web page somewhere with links to them all. The individual components had innocuous names, and the hosting companies couldn't tell that they were illegal because they couldn't decompress them without the other parts. Back then, hardly anyone had broadband, so you'd often download things by getting all of your friends to get one piece then passing a ZIP disk around to collect all of the pieces.

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  5. The future of piracy... by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They'll continue to make more and more draconian laws. In twenty years, they'll be threatening people with fifty years in the electric chair with a gerbil up their arse, and it will have done nothing to solve the problem. And between websites, new protocols, new control methods, demands to the ISPs, and all of that, the community will survive on shifting sands, always staying one step ahead of their pursuers because it takes time to legislate and administrate a response to what is inherently a social movement without any defined leaders or organizational structure. They cannot beat the economics of the situation, no matter how much technology or social control, or legal action they take: Which is that the cost of reproduction is effectively zero.

    They will do everything they can to make distribution as expensive as possible, enforcing ludicrous bandwidth caps and trying to control the internet as much as they can. Eventually, it'll reach a critical point where the cost of forming a new decentralized network will become cheaper than continuing to use the old methods of communication, and the community will give birth to the successor to the internet. It's something of an irony that the internet was created on the ideas of free information exchange and ensuring that an open line of communication would always be possible between its participants turning into a profit-orientated tool by greedy corporations. But while they may someday succeed in control of the network, they will have done nothing to attack the ideals upon which it was originally built, and so long as those ideals live, it will continue to rematerialize like the goddamned phoenix, generation after generation, even as society claims to have no use for it.

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    1. Re:The future of piracy... by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Everything adapts. Software will be something you rent on the Internet and never resides on your computer.

      Music? The situation in China has "evolved" to the point where there is no more recorded music sold (or produced). In the West check your local radio stations... what is selling there is oldies. What will continue to "sell" will be music from the previous century and the Internet will be dominated by garage bands offering stuff for free in hopes of landing a gig.

      Movies? Eliminate digital distribution (DVDs) and you eliminate the problem. If it is going to be on DVD, lots of people will just download it for free. You want a theatrical release? It is going to have to be in theaters only, for years. Maybe sell DVDs years later, maybe never because once released on DVD the revenue stream ends.

      User generated content? Check out YouTube for that, especially ShayTards and Magibon. This is the height of user-generated content and people are starting to discover (realize?) that it is crap. All crap, all the time. No, that isn't going to be the future of entertainment.

      What most people don't understand is we've grown an entire generation that believes it all should be free and will never, ever pay. This is going to require a major adaptation that most "media" and "entertainment" isn't going to survive, but the adaptation will eventually succeed.

      No, only in your fantasy will it really all be free. Someone has to pay, and patronage doesn't work. So we all have to pay for what we consume.

    2. Re:The future of piracy... by DentInYourHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, I'm fine with this future. A return to live experiences may be best.

    3. Re:The future of piracy... by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Informative

      What do you mean recorded music isn't sold or produced in China? I've got a handful of recent CDs from China sitting in front of me right now.

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    4. Re:The future of piracy... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Everything adapts. Software will be something you rent on the Internet and never resides on your computer.

      In your dreams, and Microsoft's perhaps. On *my* computer? I think not.

      Music? The situation in China has "evolved" to the point where there is no more recorded music sold (or produced).

      Been to China lately? When I was there last April, I saw plenty of Chinese music for sale.

      (And my gf, who is from Canton, has boatloads of the stuff.)

      In the West check your local radio stations... what is selling there is oldies. What will continue to "sell" will be music from the previous century and the Internet will be dominated by garage bands offering stuff for free in hopes of landing a gig.

      I'm sure these guys (whom we listen to in the office nearly every day) will be interested in learning that Miss Li sounds like she recorded her stuff in the 1920s because she actually did...?

      Movies? Eliminate digital distribution (DVDs) and you eliminate the problem.

      Wrong

      and

      Wrong.

      User generated content? Check out YouTube for that, especially ShayTards and Magibon. This is the height of user-generated content and people are starting to discover (realize?) that it is crap. All crap, all the time. No, that isn't going to be the future of entertainment.

      (I am going to burn in Hell for this, but...)

      [citation needed]

      What most people don't understand is we've grown an entire generation that believes it all should be free and will never, ever pay. This is going to require a major adaptation that most "media" and "entertainment" isn't going to survive, but the adaptation will eventually succeed.

      No, only in your fantasy will it really all be free. Someone has to pay, and patronage doesn't work.

      No, what we've got is a generation that views the 'Every conceivable juxtaposition of eyes/ears with content entails a licence fee' model with derision. And rightly so.

      So we all have to pay for what we consume.

      Please tell that to the rich folk who got that way by finding some way not to pay for something (a lot of something). Which would be most of them.

      But wait -- that's what *they're* telling *you*, isn't it?

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    5. Re:The future of piracy... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

      In twenty years, they'll be threatening people with fifty years in the electric chair with a gerbil up their arse,

      I'd be surprised if they gave us the luxury of the gerbil. After all, if you're being fried on the electric chair, a rectally inserted rodent might offer some comfort and relief.

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    6. Re:The future of piracy... by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      User generated content? All crap, all the time. No, that isn't going to be the future of entertainment.

      It won't be the whole future but it's here to stay whether you like it or not. User generated content is being used as the entire basis for mainstream media content sometimes now, such as in this news story about the "wedding dance video". You are way off base if you think this type of content isn't going to have a place in mainstream entertainment.

      What most people don't understand is we've grown an entire generation that believes it all should be free and will never, ever pay.

      Like with free to air TV and radio? Free content is hardly a new thing, for many people a significant portion of their entertainment has been free (ad supported) content for decades.

      The idea that people aren't willing to pay is a lie anyway and everyone who promotes the idea knows it. iTunes proved that. If you provide the product or service people want they will pay for it. Make paid for DRM free downloads available at the right price and most people won't bother with "pirate" sites with even minimal risk of getting caught. Just having predictable quality movie and music files will win people over on convenience over illegal downloads.

  6. This makes perfect sense by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Insightful
    RapidShare will supplant BitTorrent, as the former appear better protected legally.

    RS et al is more than happy to take down anything determined to be a violation of copyright. PirateBay et al stood up and said "fuck off". This doesn't jive with the workflow IP capital demands under the DMCA. Yes, the DMCA is a parochial piece of shit that is only enforceable in the states, but given the size and power of the USA system and its networks, it only makes sense to appease the DMCA as it is the more restrictive of the nationalist bullshit rules re: IP copyright.

    RS, mediafire, and others will take down stuff when someone complains. Hence, by "killing its own" it becomes much more resilient, as one gets the whack-a-mole effect, but with this major structural difference: with pirate Bay / napster etc. when the system is brought down, resurrecting or building a new network is very time consuming and difficult. with the RS/megaupload/mediafire/etc. model, they own they field on which whack-a-mole is played. So by letting the rights holders chase the pirates, RS et al get to profit on the churn.

    The next thing will be blogs dedicated to software with links to DLs of the stuff in RS et al, similar to music blogs now, and then a master system to search it all, similar to chewbone.

    RS

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    1. Re:This makes perfect sense by JoelRodz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personally I've already seen Forums used to post links of RS or MU. I've even seen Twitter linking to a blogger's site which contains the URLs in text files!

      This is already being done... its just not as mainstream as one would think.

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  7. Ideas by robvangelder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish that TV Shows were available on Rapidshare legit. The download speeds are great, and I would definitely pay $1 per episode.

  8. List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny
    List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated.

    General information on accessing these sites:

    • Some sites are slow, down, whatever. Try again later.
    • These sites use advanced authentication methods, such as reverse authentication look-up to local FTP daemon. Anonymous might not allways work if the address that you're coming from doesn't look 3l33+ enough, you might have to use your own userid and password. Also, disabling or enabling a proxy might help.
    • Also, simple PC's with Wind0wz are also totally off the limits. Go to your shell account and use a real operating systems. L4m3rs without multitasking can't get in.
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    1. Re:List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated by ultimad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, simple PC's with Wind0wz are also totally off the limits. Go to your shell account and use a real operating systems. L4m3rs without multitasking can't get in.

      That gave me today's dose of laugh! Considering 90% of warez are applications and games designed for Windows, it's amusing that users with that OS are not allowed!

    2. Re:List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was a joke...that web page is from 1995 or so. You couldn't do anything from a Windows 3.1 box on SLIP dialup. I didn't expect it to get +5 Informative...I was planning on +5 Funny, but go figure.

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    3. Re:List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated by Kjella · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sometimes the moderators have a sense of humor too, they're modding it so others will be fooled. Plus you get free karma, so no reason to complain.

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    4. Re:List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated by Ifni · · Score: 2, Funny

      They forgot one of the best:

      ftp://warez.waldo.net

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  9. Newsgroups by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To preempt any discussion about newsgroups please read the following before posting:

    Do not talk about fucking newsgroups, we have a good thing going here, don't fuck it up.

    1. Re:Newsgroups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're kidding right? The FBI, BSA, RIAA, and anyone else who cares about copyright infringement has known about binaries on Usenet for at least a decade.

      It's the low volume of users that prevents lawsuits.

  10. Agreed by mister_playboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    JDownloader has really come into its own over the last few months. Older versions were prone to errors, dropped links and excessive CPU usage, but the current version does very well. As the program has grown, it also keeps up much better with changes in hoster page layout (which can break downloads).

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  11. The first rule of usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT USENET.

    The second rule of Usenet is that YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT USENET.

    1. Re:The first rule of usenet by MartinSchou · · Score: 2, Funny

      1st RULE: You do not talk about USENET.

      2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about USENET.

      3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or throws up, passes out the post is over.

      4th RULE: Only two girls to a cup.

      5th RULE: One tubgirl at a time.

      6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.

      7th RULE: Flame wars will go on as long as they have to.

      8th RULE: If this is your first night at USENET, you HAVE to goatse.

  12. Re:how are they better protected? by petronije · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rapidshare will not go down because they remove the copyrighted files promptly - as soon as they are notified.

  13. Re:Can we stop calling it "piracy" already? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Frankly, I prefer hearing myself called a "pirate," versus a "copyright-infringing content replicator."

    Not as cool as being called a ninja, but I'll take what I can get.

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  14. Sucks to be American sometimes by Langfat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sorry to be rude, but not all countries adhere to the crazy copyright laws that the USA does. according to my interpretation of current Canadian law (which could very well be incorrect) the levies i pay on blank media go to the riaa/mpaa/canadian equivalents and i am allowed to download as much as i want. this doesn't mean i'm allowed to distribute as much as i want, but with a centralized server which is download only, that's not the problem that it would be with bittorrent, in which you're required to both send and receive.

    not too mention that rapidshare et. al have an air of legitimacy, as they take down any files which are reported to contain content they aren't legally allowed to distribute. of course, "they don't have the resources to check every single file that is uploaded to their servers," only the ones that are reported. And the only reason rapidshare does that is because they are a German-owned company (if i recall correctly). some countries, like Colombia and Egypt don't adhere to any copyright law. presumably a company owned and operated in a place like that would be virtually immune to any information requests from the MAFIAA and their ilk.

    it surprises me, given the invention and popularity of the internet, how many americans still struggle to think globally, and still assume that the rest of the world on their terms. this is not intended to be a troll or flamebait or personal insult, it's merely my own stated opinion.

    1. Re:Sucks to be American sometimes by Artemis3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually the law is not like that in US, thats why its crazy. If ONLY the author were the copyright holder and the only one with those rights, it would made some sense. However, the US system allows "transfer of ownership", thats the death trap. The original US copyrights lasted 14 years, and were meant to put a stop to perpetual rights of printer guilds in UK. Today, these "printer guilds" (corporations) have restored their hereditary powers. For this reason, if you are not going to fix it, we are going to ignore it, or even better, legalize non-profit sharing and put an end to the abuse.

      You keep your US only Hulu and your DRMed iTunes, i keep my worldwide p2p file sharing sites and my anonymous p2p networks. If artists want money, they better start touring or taking direct donations, i don't believe in third parties "owning" content and exploiting said artists beyond their lives. Or the corporate state imposing their rule to the world.

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    2. Re:Sucks to be American sometimes by misexistentialist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As has been said many times here, copyright is really only ethical as a means of preventing others from profiting off creators' work. Corporate controlled copyright has perverted copyright by exploiting artists more often than not, while increasing scarcity and decreasing quality of material. People have always shared information, and while p2p reduces revenue, it's more a reduction from "obscenely fucking profitable" to just "fucking profitable".

    3. Re:Sucks to be American sometimes by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 4, Informative

      How exactly did "they" "steal" from you?

      They (being corporations) stole the public domain.

      The prime example is disney. Here's what happens...

      1. Disney pilfers the public domain to create a "new work", for example, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, or Aladdin.
      2. Disney changes just enough to allow the work to be copyrighted.
      3. Disney enjoys the privileges of copyright until they would expire, then purchases a renewal by way of lobbyists and campaign contributions.

      Note that copyright is extended every time Steamboat Willy would pass into the public domain. Note also that many of Disney's works derive their value from previously existing public domain works. Other media corps are no different than Disney, it is just that Disney is the most blatant example.

      To summarize, media cartels are parasites that steal from the public domain (or "myth pool" for the advanced readers out there) while contributing as little as possible. I hope this answers your question of how "they" have stolen from us.

    4. Re:Sucks to be American sometimes by mrbcs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, you're screwed. Why do you think other nations are 'harmonizing' their copyright laws with the US?

      Good luck with that. Every time our Canadian government tries that shit, we either kick their asses out or we storm their headquarters and threaten to kick their asses out.
      They've tried the Canadian DMCA 3 times now only to be defeated every time. Canadians will not put up with that crap. Once you tell Grandma that she can't copy a song to her ipod, there's no hope for the gov't.
      This faulty American DMCA legislation is probably the reason we now have minority governments. That's not a bad thing. They have to work together or get booted out.
      America is on life support anyway. Not as important as she thinks, and soon to die from her own overindulgence and greed.

      Bring on the trolls mutherfucker. Mod me into oblivion... I could care less.

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  15. Re:Can we stop calling it "piracy" already? by DAldredge · · Score: 2

    Wrong. For electronic and audio-visual media, unauthorized reproduction and distribution is also commonly referred to as piracy (an early reference was made by Daniel Defoe in 1703 when he said of his novel True-born Englishman : "Its being Printed again and again, by Pyrates"[2]). The practice of labeling the act of infringement as "piracy" actually predates copyright itself. Even prior to the 1709 enactment of the Statute of Anne, generally recognized as the first copyright law, the Stationers' Company of London in 1557 received a Royal Charter giving the company a monopoly on publication and tasking it with enforcing the charter. Those who violated the charter were labeled pirates as early as 1603 From wikipedia

  16. http://icefilms.info/ by HNS-I · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://icefilms.info/ Uses some javascript hack to start a divx player in your browser and stream the content directly on the megaupload site. No download limit.

  17. Tough noogie by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We can only accept so much "protection" before we delve into "revolution" once the people realize they are being "protected" right out of their ability to participate in society. Gift cards might be a "loophole" for them mean and evil "terrists" but the fact is those folks are gonna get money no matter what - but without the ability for POOR PEOPLE who have zero credit and no bank accounts to participate in society the folks on Pennsylvania Ave would end up with way more to worry about than a handful of radical nutcases.

    We have become a culture of plastic money. Financially deprived people need access to that plastic as well.

  18. Correction required! by udippel · · Score: 2

    In the post, the major information is sorely missing: the new link for pr0n and gamez; the link to RapidShare.

  19. Anonymous P2P (OneSwarm) will be the next step by PoontangSunrise · · Score: 3, Informative

    Once this short and partial relapse to centralized commercial services will unevitably be sued to pieces (I mean, duh...), the next evolutionary step _will_ be anonymized P2P. The excellent OneSwarm protocol (implemented and working today!) has a very good change of becoming "the sh*t" when it comes to this I think, and I'm very surprised by the low buzz concerning it: http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/ And for more general use, something like the (not equally yet implemented) Phantom protocol will probably have a place in the market too: http://code.google.com/p/phantom/wiki/MainPage

  20. BEGINNING FILE TRANSFER OVER HTML by selven · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  21. Most Copyright Infringement Is Not Filesharing by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, and if you want to talk about what "most of the stuff" is, the bigger picture is that, even according to the UK Government's own documents (which if anything is going to be biased on the anti-filesharing side, as it is supporting a new law to disconnect suspected filesharers), the alleged damages from commercial software piracy by businesses is 144 times greater than the alleged damages from filesharing.

    Source: http://www.berr.gov.uk/consultations/page51696.html

    So if you want to talk about most of the stuff, why aren't we bringing in draconian laws to target where the vast majority of the problem is, instead of worrying about less than 1% caused by people downloading something using bittorrent?

  22. Its Computerworld... (nuf said) by warncke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, who should be surprised that they don't exactly have their finger on the pulse of the "warez" scene?

    More likely than not, VI Labs slipped them a little cash to run this story so that they can pimp some new b.s. product designed to "fight piracy" on direct download sites.

    As others have pointed out, this is just about data being copied. Data is going to be copied using whatever means are available, depending on the tastes and technical abilities of the users doing the copying. Since installing a single standalone helper app still exceeds the technical capabilities of a large segment of the user population, there is always going to be some market for direct downloads, but that is a long way from saying that direct downloads will replace BT.

    What is more important than where users happen to be copying data, is where data is initially being distributed. BT has now become a major network for initial distribution, at least for movies, tv, and music, which has nothing to do with the technology but with the people who are using the network.

    As long as new content is being distributed on BT, it will be the preeminent P2P network. FTP networks are still major sources of original content, and as long as they are, they will continue to be a major factor in file sharing.

    Direct download sites are still very much downstream, because they are only copying data from FTP or BT. They are also unlikely to attract people who distribute original content for a variety of reasons, including their commercial nature, lack of security, availability of superior technological alternatives, etc.

    If RS captures a large segment of the "sucker" market by reselling what other people give away for free, good for them, but that doesn't mean they are going to replace the people who actually distribute the content in the first place.

  23. You could not be more wrong. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    BitTorrent, IRC and Usenet have been shut down for years. I dare you to try to get anything from them! It's impossible. They have been literally shut down by the MPAA and RIAA.

    We are left with one alternative: Rapidshare. Sure, it's not perfect but that's all we have after the effective campaigns of the RIAA and MPAA. Now it looks like they'll have to focus all their attention on Rapidshare. Darn. Then we will be left with nothing.

    But to reiterate, no need to focus on BitTorrent, IRC or Usenet - those are already dead. Yup. Dead and buried. Nothing to see there.

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    1. Re:You could not be more wrong. by destiny71 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ohhhhhhhhhhh sarcasm. oops

  24. Re:All things old... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pft. Who uses a BBS? I'm still trading floppy disks on a non-viable format. Speaking of which I need to get going, and take these 38,000 5.25" disks to the next person.

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  25. Does not compute. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 2, Funny

    How can there be a rule about something that was destroyed years ago by the legitimate and merciful actions of the RIAA and MPAA?

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