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BSA Says 41% of Software On Personal Computers Is Pirated

An anonymous reader writes "Individuals are turning to P2P networks and auction sites in staggering numbers to acquire or transfer illegal software and in doing so are harming the economy whilst exposing themselves to malware, identity theft and criminal prosecution, according to a report from the Business Software Alliance. Beyond P2P and auction site piracy, the report also draws correlations between Internet piracy and the spread of malware such as viruses, trojans and spyware, which often exploit vulnerabilities in illegal software that does not benefit from security updates provided by manufacturers. Although the correlation is not universal, geographies with high instances of software piracy suffer from high instances of malware."

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  1. 41? by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While you're guessing with such precision, why not choose 42% and grab more nerd eyes?

    1. Re:41? by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well I'm actually surprised it's only 41% pirated software on personal computers, considering it's not often that people buy software applications for non-work purposes and most are free or have alternatives.

      But it's true that piracy is hurting the industry (be that software, games, music or movies). Yeah it would be nice if all of that would be free, but it's not a good model to sustain the development and producment. You can always argue that those who like doing it "just for the fun of it" will keep doing so, but it's not going work. The quality suffers and there wont be as many different options or products. There's a reason why everything isn't free already (because it could be - there's nothing to limit it). Market and income is how world works and is needed to produce products, in a way or other. Either by user directly paying for it, or from ad revenue ala google (and losing some of your privacy in the trade) or by other means like open source with support and sponsoring from other companies.

      And it's not really a surprise that you might get infected with malware when downloading from warez sites.

    2. Re:41? by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

      >>>But it's true that piracy is hurting the industry (be that software, games, music or movies)

      No it isn't. See my signature. One study estimated 5000 downloads per 1 lost album sale, and another study estimated 2500 downloads per 1 lost album sale. I took the more-pessimistic estimate. Both studies were done by college universities with no bias, unlike the studies coming from RIAA and BSA. (Use google to find them if you're curious, same way I found them.)

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    3. Re:41? by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      So it is hurting the industry, but not as much as the industry claims.

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    4. Re:41? by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

      While you're guessing with such precision, why not choose 42% and grab more nerd eyes?

      Because pirating software is not the answer to life the universe and everything.

    5. Re:41? by Calydor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I disagree.

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    6. Re:41? by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah just like getting bit by an ant "hurts" me, but not really. It's just an ant. Nothing to have a hissy-fit over like IRAA and the BSA seem to be having.

      BSA: "Oh noes! We've been bit an ant. The end is nigh"
      US: "Stop being a wuss."

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    7. Re:41? by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "But they've decided to ask a price for it, and if you want to use it, you need to pay for the asked price. If it's too much, just be without it."

      Listening for free or not listening at all gives the exact same amount to the maker: 0. So why wouldn't I listen? I pay what I can, but I'm not going to deprive myself just "because", I act based on reason, not on some orthodox morality.

    8. Re:41? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>>> Both studies were done by college universities with no bias, unlike the studies coming from RIAA and BSA.
      >>
      >>If it's on the internets it must be true!

      No it's in two university studies - published in peer-reviewed journals. Can you not read? Besides if you really thought the 2 studies I cited were wrong, then you'd go off and find some other university studies to prove that copyprivilege infringement is horribly high.

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    9. Re:41? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But 2500 is far less than multiple millions. I don't believe the "pirating" of songs and videos has a large impact on the bottom line of these companies, and I wouldn't care if it did, to be honest, but to say it has no impact is just not true. The question of whether that impact is good or bad is simply a matter of perspective.

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    10. Re:41? by Sgt.+B · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference here, you are comparing a roughly flat rate music industry to the software industry.

      Autodesk Maya 3D software is $1300.00 just to name 1. It is well worth the money but some kid trying to learn it might be tempted to pirate it because there is no way he can afford it. Thankfully they offer a free version for learning but you get the idea. A $16 music CD does not compare to a $1300 software package as it relates to lost sales.

    11. Re:41? by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But it's true that piracy is hurting the industry (be that software, games, music or movies).

      [citation needed]

      I'm sure it was the pirates. The global recession had nothing to do with it.

    12. Re:41? by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it's true that piracy is hurting the industry

      Piracy may be specifically hurting IP industries, but it's a net win for the economy. The dead weight loss caused by monopoly rights damages the economy as a whole, probably by amounts that dwarf the whole revenue of those industries, and only piracy mitigates that damage.

      but it's not a good model to sustain the development and producment.

      At the efficiency levels seen in the monopoly industries it's obvious that neither is monopoly a good model to sustain development and production. At about 5% efficiency, as in the music industry, it's even worse than the worst of government run programs. Others, like productivity software, have a level of fungibility which has at least had some competitive effect. None, however, demonstrate anything remotely like what an acceptable overhead should look like in a competitive industry and together the IP industries are an albatross around the neck of todays western economy.

    13. Re:41? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>Because pirating software is not the answer to life the universe and everything.

      Are you sure? On that somewhat-popular alternate universe called "Star Trek" TNG/DS9/&c, piracy is how everything works. People work and produce goods, and everyone else just takes them for free. They don't even use money anymore. That culture seems to make out okay so perhaps piracy is the answer - the path towards Roddenberry's utopia.

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    14. Re:41? by nrgy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is how most learn VFX software and everyone in the industry knows it. The software companies don't really care except when people use it to make money, the personal learning editions are crippled most of the time in such ways that make them useless for learning. SideFX who make Houdini I think took the correct route and offer a fully functional personal edition for $99 US.

      One could go on about how many people are running around with Photoshop installed but I'll save that for another day ;).

    15. Re:41? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to buy software (mostly games) many years ago, and found that many games were just total crap, despite glowing reviews.. For instance:

      http://www.mobygames.com/game/rise-of-the-robots

      Apparently "Amiga Joker" rated this 91%, and the box itself touted high 90s reviews.. The game itself was total crap, and the few honest reviews gave it laughably low scores.

      A lot of commercial non game software is also total garbage these days too, all bloat and fancy graphics to disguise horrific performance and showstopping bugs.

      As a result i stick to free software... Sure, much of it is just as bad as its commercial counterparts but free crap is a lot more acceptable than expensive crap.

    16. Re:41? by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's called communism, and it fails because humans are lazy and greedy. If you can somehow persuade humans to stop being lazy and greedy, then pretty much any system of government will suffice.

    17. Re:41? by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but so are the people that use open source, the people that refuse to use software that's overpriced and under featured. And of course you'll notice that they're whining about those bastards that buy software second hand as well.

      The BSA is every bit as corrupt, ignorant and greedy as the RIAA and MPAA, the difference is that they've got a pretend right to demand access to business networks to look for "pirated" software.

    18. Re:41? by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And where are they claiming that its lost sales? They've just saying that 41% of software on personal computers is pirated. There's no talk about lost sales.

      Stop making stuff up.

    19. Re:41? by abigsmurf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "orthodox morality"?
      You have no automatic right to software. The fact there's no net cost to them does not make it right.

      I'm not going to 'deprive myself' of a place to sleep so I'll pick the lock (in a non-damaging way) of your front door and sleep in a spare room in your house. No cost to you so any complaints about my squatting are just based on stupid orthodox morality.

      Inane example yes but this sense of entitlement that some people have is sickening. By all means pirate but don't pretend you're not doing anything wrong by doing so.

    20. Re:41? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Harvard Study 5000 downloads == 1 lost album sale - http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=5000+downloads+lost+CD+sales

      I can't find the other study, but it used statistical analysis to determine 2500 downloads results in just one lost CD sale

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    21. Re:41? by PhilJC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well....

      Sixth Annual BSA-IDC Global Software Piracy Study (2008), Page 17, when describing how they calculate piracy:

      1. Determine how much PC packaged software was deployed in 2008;
      2. Determine how much PC packaged software was paid for/legally acquired in 2008; and
      3. Subtract one from the other to get the amount of pirated software.

      To calculate "deployment" they asked 6,200 people (p.17 of above report) how much software they install in a given year. Take into account that these 6,000 people are spread across 24 countries - that's an average of just 258 people per country for their survey! (For those that are interested they estimate the rest of the world based on these 24 countries)

      Software paid for/legally acquired comes from IDC estimates.

      They then get their magic 41% figure... Is it just me or does this seem as flimsy as a polystyrene tow-bar?

    22. Re:41? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is exactly how I use my Pirated software.

      Through college I had the full version of Matlab/Simulink. I used toolboxes that the school didn't have when doing class projects. I learned everything I could about it and the toolboxes available.

      Now, 6 years later, I was able to talk my boss into buying a few extra special toolboxes for the work we do. Something close to $30k a seat a year. Had I never 'pirated' all that software I would have never been able to sell my self to my company, nor sell my company on Matlab toolboxes.

      Same goes for Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and quite a few other "Pro" applications that should they be needed, I can put them on a resume.

      The personal stuff I use at home. GraphicConverter, etc, I like to pay for.

      Octave is NOT an alternative for most of Matlab.

    23. Re:41? by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't miss the fact that their biggest out and out, completely undeniable, absolute lie, was that piracy was hurting the economy. The truth is, when the money is not spend on licensed content it still ends up getting spent on others things in the economy, like food, clothing, accommodation etc. often things in the economy that are locally produced, have a much greater impact on employment within the local community and are often of far greater 'real' value.

      Technically speaking of course piracy is often far better for the economy as it keeps money in the local community and it even has environmental benefits as it cuts down on media manufacture and transport costs. Whilst it is true that piracy does interfere with the accumulation of huge profits for handful of individuals, in truth for the majority it provides economic relief and a bit of mindless escape in a difficult economic situation.

      To be fair, to crack down on piracy we would also have to crack down on the other side of software licensing, false advertising, non-warranties and cost recovery for damages caused by faulty software. So I have to think making the software companies pay the full costs for their deceits and misbehaviours would likely far out way realistic losses caused by piracy. It is also hardly surprising that an association that supports for profit publishing that adds no value to anything apart from a lot of false advertising is also opposed to P2P the free to publish network, where content creators can use the greater community to publish their works directly to other users.

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    24. Re:41? by haruchai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The BSA operates like a SWAT team on small businesses and are very disruptive. Trust me, if you a small shop relying on a consultant for your support, you don't want them showing up.

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    25. Re:41? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your spare room is not "abundant." You only have one of them, and it can only hold a finite number of people.

      MP3 files are abundant. Once they exist, there can be an infinite number of them at zero additional cost.

      You are kidding yourself if you insist that this fact does not change the moral landscape.

    26. Re:41? by Kirijini · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While you're guessing with such precision, why not choose 42% and grab more nerd eyes?

      Because pirating software is not the answer to life the universe and everything.

      No no no no no.

      42 is the answer.

      Pirating software is the question.

    27. Re:41? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it is hurting the industry, but not as much as the industry claims.

      Suppose a record sells 1,000,000 copies. In order for that to drop to 999,000 copies, there would have to be about 2,500,000 unauthorized downloads (by the worst estimate offered). So, record companies still make 99.9% of their "owed" income as long as downloaders only outnumber purchasers by a factor of 2.5:1.

      The RIAA member corporations want to assrape the constitution for this? To hell with 'em.

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    28. Re:41? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now, 6 years later, I was able to talk my boss into buying a few extra special toolboxes for the work we do. Something close to $30k a seat a year. Had I never 'pirated' all that software I would have never been able to sell my self to my company, nor sell my company on Matlab toolboxes.

      That's makes you part of the problem. If you and everyone like you boycotted Matlab, they would go out of business and someone with less onerous licensing could take over the industry. No snowflake in an avalanche feels responsible.

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    29. Re:41? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But it's true that piracy is hurting the industry (be that software, games, music or movies). Yeah it would be nice if all of that would be free, but it's not a good model to sustain the development and producment.

      So if Jimmy the Geeklet pirates Windows and Photoshop and MS Office, and then when he grows up to be James the Geek with a real job he already knows Windows and MS Office and Photoshop and expects to be able to use those at work and maybe even buys copies (err, licenses) for his own use at home, this is a net loss to the "industry" compared to his knowing and wanting to use KDE and the GIMP and Open Office?

    30. Re:41? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Such as? If you could give me a good, viable alternative to Matlab, Simulink and the Auto Coding functions I'm listening.

      *Everyone* uses Matlab. That level of support does not come cheap. Boeing, Ford, GM, Chrysler, BMW, VW, Benz, Caterpillar, Deere, Cummins, Airbus, Rolls-Royce, Haldex, Samsung. I bet you can't go a day without using something Mathworks helped design. There are some people out there using it for Day Trading.

      It is almost to the point that electing to boycott Mathworks is like trying to boycott the i386.

      Tools cost money. Good tools cost more money. If I built houses for a living I'd buy a Dewalt. Even if 99% of slashdot scoffed at paying $300 for a 'cordless drill.'

    31. Re:41? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I simply have to point out that very little of the world's population makes anywhere NEAR "$80-120 an hour". Living in SW Arkansas, I don't think that I could find anyone making 120, but I might find a few making nearly 80. The highest paid individual in my extended family makes a little less than 30, and most make 12 or less. In fact, more than 1/2 make well under $10/hour.

      Pricing schemes look a whole lot different to a man who can purchase a game for one hour's wages, as opposed to a man who has to spend a day's wages for the same game. Especially considering that people who make $10/hr have little if any savings or investments.

      Just something to think about.

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    32. Re:41? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, check this shit out. I run Linux upon which I have a copy of VirtualBox with a pirated copy of Windows XP so I can run my pirated copy of Streets & Trips for GPS navigation. When a workable navigation solution is released for x86 Linux, I'll drop Windows like a hot potato. What percentage of my computer software is pirated?

      Basically, here's my take. Fuck Windows and fuck OSX. I have no respect for any software company that doesn't develop for Linux. I buy my Linux software when it's for sale and I want it. I'll die before I buy software that runs on a proprietary operating system. And that's why I pirate. And really, I couldn't give a fuck less whether anybody liked it or not. Matter of fact, I hope you don't like it.

    33. Re:41? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can somehow persuade humans to stop being lazy and greedy, then pretty much any system of government will suffice.

      To be fair to Star Trek, it wasn't a change in human nature that brought about their Utopian society, but the discovery/invention of a way of having practically unlimited resources. Redistribution of wealth will work just fine when the total available wealth is far beyond what the entire population could possibly use in their entire lifetimes.

    34. Re:41? by photonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I started using Matlab in university and might even have bought a student license as an undergrad. Since then, I have used it extensively as a grad student and now at work. For tinkering at home, I have looked at Octave a few times, but as you said, it is not a real replacement (mainly the hard-to-learn plotting with gnuplot). I also looked at Scilab, but it was even worse (shitty graphics AND an incompatible language). A few years have passed since I looked at those (reached sub-guru status in Matlab meanwhile), but I have finally found a proper replacement: python+numpy+scipy+matplotlib. The syntax for array math is different than in Matlab, but not too much. The graphics are better (my Matlab version still does not do anti-aliased plots). Bonus points: python is a real object-oriented language, with tons of libraries for everything you can think of. And did I mention it is completely free and open source? For specialized topics (some toolboxes) it is not there yet, but it will be in a few years. Me and some colleagues have already converted some of our calculations and plotting to python now. I expected this to be a real competitor for Matlab, especially in academics.

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    35. Re:41? by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And where are they claiming that its lost sales? They've just saying that 41% of software on personal computers is pirated. There's no talk about lost sales. Stop making stuff up.

      How else are we supposed to interpret "harming the economy"?

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  2. Two of the three letters in their name... by ValentineMSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    are true. We'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide which.

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    1. Re:Two of the three letters in their name... by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Funny

      BA? None of them have Master's or PhDs? It's all arts, no sciences degrees? None are left with only high school diplomas or GEDs? None are high school dropouts?

      Next you'll say they all got degrees in the same subject!

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    2. Re:Two of the three letters in their name... by GaryOlson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Speaking of two letter actions in TLAs:
      I'm curious....Was the BSA formed as a result of any actions by IBM?!

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    3. Re:Two of the three letters in their name... by conureman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm doing an informal survey of Godwin posts, and whether they are on-topic, or trolls, and whether they are signed, or AC. Can anyone link a prior study? BTW, nice metaphor, AC.

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    4. Re:Two of the three letters in their name... by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Funny

      "BS Alliance" doesn't sound right to you?

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    5. Re:Two of the three letters in their name... by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm doing an informal survey of Godwin posts, [...]

      You know who else did informal surveys? Hitl-*whack* <OW!> *thud*

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    6. Re:Two of the three letters in their name... by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was wondering what the hell the Boy Scouts of America had to do with software.

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  3. BSA invents statistics. by gavron · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I won't repeat previous postings on /. and CNET and PCnews and... and ... which have debunked BSA's "statistics."

    Their first graph (which is in percentages, but they don't label the scale LOL) shows remarkably low rates of malware, and an alleged piracy rate (whatever that is) that is 4-10x higher.

    Maybe they should check out http://garwarner.blogspot.com/

    BSA+RIAA+MPAA=organizations that make up stories and wait for their fake "facts" to be reused by their legislative bought henchmen.

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  4. Well, if that's how they want to think about it... by Pollux · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then far be it from me to not meet their expectations.

    "Hey kids! Remember that new game you wanted? Well, I need to get us up to quota!"

  5. Because malware never comes with legal software... by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because malware never comes with legal software...

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  6. Oooooo pretty graph! by NoYob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking as an MBA, their unsubstantiated numbers and pretty graphs is good enough for me. I'm going to delete 41% of the software on my machines to make sure I'm not a crook!

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    1. Re:Oooooo pretty graph! by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Start with c:\windows. As 95% of all malware hides in there. Bonus it ismost likely pirated anyways.

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  7. Freedom by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the BSA was genuinely concerned about software piracy, they'd be actively promoting free and open alternatives.

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    1. Re:Freedom by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They aren't, and so they won't.

      What they are concerned about is losing market share to open source, so they'd rather pretend it doesn't exist and try to eradicate the philosophy of free software in the public mind.

    2. Re:Freedom by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right so firefox, kde & gnome are all terrible? There are a few areas where commercial software is better than FLOSS (that isn't to say FOSS can't compete). Photoshop has tools pros need that gimp lacks, however for everybody else GIMP is a competitive option (if your a pro then just pay up!). Open Source gaming does suck but that is hardly representative and even then there are many games that are easily competitive in their sub-genres (wesnoth & 3d versions of nethack are good). Outside of gaming, OSS can compete with most desktop software so there is no excuse for pirating software.

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    3. Re:Freedom by iamacat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Open source's answer to Photoshop is still what, GIMP?

      GIMP's target audience is programmers who want to add some artwork to their software without having to pay $700 or learning to think as artists rather than engineers. For this audience GIMP is not only a superior alternative on price - even big companies do not get a license just so someone can draw an icon - but also has a far easier learning curve. For example, there is a single way to define a shape - selection - rather than one set of operations to select and another to draw. Or just the fact that unlimited undos are enabled out of the box rather than running into a rude surprise with Photoshop.

      Photoshop Elements is a better choice for non-technical home users, but there are also a number of basic open source tools for photo adjustment.

      Photoshop is really only an answer for commercially successful artists with deep pockets. It's not an audience likely to contain a lot of programmers or one that is going to attract attention of a typical open source developer. However these artists could have a better product by pooling resources to produce an alternative not tied to any particular company. Since they don't, I guess they are happy with Photoshop.

  8. Hmmm... by jimicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a lousy article - all puff and no content:

    - The FA discusses online auction sites as a "hotbed" of trading illegal software. But it doesn't say whether the BSA distinguish between online auctions offering cracked copies for download, pirated installation media or perfectly legitimate resale of software which the seller has no further use for.
    - There's no real explanation of how they reached this figure - do they assume a single person using a torrent installs the software once? Twice? Never? Once then decides they don't really need it so uninstalls it?
    - Even if the BSA did explain how they reached this figure, how do we know that their methodology is sound and gives reasonably accurate answers? AFAIK there is no methodology that is generally known to give accurate answers to the question of "how many PCs have application X installed, where X may or may not phone home and there may or may not be cracked versions of X in the wild which modify any existing phone-home functionality?"

    Thing is, the BSA must know that these numbers are not reliable and that they can't get reliable numbers. I think the reason this article exists is the BSA are seeding the news wires. Who wants to bet that the next thing they'll do is lobby representatives in governments around the world using these bullshit figures and that's the only reason the figures exist?

    1. Re:Hmmm... by XMode · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They simply live in a world where all second hand software sales are piracy. Its the only possible way this figure could even be remotely correct.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Informative

      But it doesn't say whether the BSA distinguish between online auctions offering cracked copies for download, pirated installation media or perfectly legitimate resale of software which the seller has no further use for.

      Well, from the PDF of the actual report, they run through a bunch of 'case studies' which are by and large about who they targeted on these auctions sites like iOffer:

      In August 2009, BSA announced that its members won a $210,563 judgment in the US District Court for the Northern District of California against Matthew Miller of Newark, Del., who sold illegal copies of software through an Internet auction site. Software programs published by Adobe, Autodesk, and Microsoft were at the center of the case, which stemmed from a 2008 investigation by BSA. US District Judge Susan Illston awarded the plaintiffs $195,000 in statutory damages and an additional $15,563 for filing costs and attorneys’ fees. Miller was barred from committing future acts of copyright infringement involving Adobe, Autodesk, and Microsoft software products, and was ordered to immediately destroy any and all infringing copies of such software in his possession or control. According to legal documents filed on behalf of BSA member companies, the defendant “admitted he had ‘downloaded software, burned and copied CDs, and sold about 200 to outsiders for $8.00 to $12.00.’” Records in the case also describe how Miller used the popular iOffer Web site to sell unlicensed copies of BSA member software. In one particular instance, Miller was accused of offering approximately $12,000 worth of software to an undercover investigator for just $52, with an agreed price of $45 after some haggling.

      And another:

      In early 2009, Timothy Dunaway of Wichita Falls, Texas, was sentenced to 41 months in prison by US District Court Judge Reed O’Conner for selling counterfeit computer software through the Internet. Dunaway was sentenced to two years of supervised release, ordered to pay $810,000 in restitution, and forfeit a Ferrari 348 TB and Rolex watch. From July 2004 through May 2008, Dunaway operated approximately 40 Web sites that sold a large volume of downloadable counterfeit software. He operated computer servers in Austria and Malaysia; US and foreign law enforcement agents cooperated in the investigation. Dunaway purchased advertising for his Web site on major Internet search engines and processed more than $800,000 through credit-card merchant accounts under his control. The software sold by Dunaway had a combined retail value of more than $1 million.

      There are more. I didn't see anything in the report about illegitimate versus legitimate resale and replication. I'm guessing they rely on the license terms to determine whether or not it's legitimate for me to resell my Warcraft 3 CDs or Windows XP Key. I'm guessing that Blizzard & Microsoft would be the ones informing them that's not legitimate.

      By and large, however, the report focuses on people who pretty blatantly violate copyright and sell them on auction sites. A guy I knew in college did this and made a couple thousand on eBay before getting a seriously nasty letter from Microsoft. This would have been in ~2001 I think. I'm sure the same crap goes on with more serious consequences.

      I'm not defending the BSA but they list case studies of the kind of piracy they are targeting.

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by conureman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why, yes, I distinctly recall, when I bought my last mainboard on the hotbed, er, Ebay, the pirates that sold it to me tried to offer me a CD of stolen drivers to go with it. Righteousness and morality took the field and I chose to download them legally from the manufacturers website. Thank the Gods.

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    4. Re:Hmmm... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Funny

      A guy I knew in college did this and made a couple thousand on eBay before getting a seriously nasty letter from Microsoft.

      Whoah I'm in the wrong business.

      He made a couple of thousand on ebay and the only downside was a *letter*???

    5. Re:Hmmm... by Endo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, except you're about 8 years too late. I'm pretty sure you'd get a lot more than a "seriously nasty letter" now.

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    6. Re:Hmmm... by conureman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Close. FA means "Friendly Article" and TFA means "The Friendly Article". RTFA means "Read The Friendly Article". RTFG

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  9. Piracy on home computers by rossdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since the BSA is only concerned with business software, what they probably mean is that 41% of copies of MS Office on home computers are not legitimate copies, mostly copied from work. If those people didn't have a pirate copy of Office, that would probably be using OO.org or some other free equivalent, they wouldn't be paying for it.

    (I guess a lot of people have academic versions of Office, and other app;ications like Adobe's suite, and they no longer are students so I guess that makes them pirates too.

    1. Re:Piracy on home computers by clickclickdrone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure what the deal is these days but for years, where I worked, there was a deal with Microsoft whereby employees could install Office at home for free. Pretty sure that was the licence arrangment with MS rather than the firms coughing up for licenses.

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    2. Re:Piracy on home computers by TimSSG · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am a student of life. So, all my student copies are still legit. Tim S.

  10. Re:BSA invents statistics - higher ethics? by dyfet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe one reason for such a poor correlation between alleged copyright infringement and malware rates is that most who engage in and enable copyright infringement actually do have higher ethics than some companies which deliberately add creepy spyware and malware-like features to their applications in the name of controlling what user's do. Indeed, I wonder if some even explicitly choose copyright infringement sources simply to get spy and malware disabled versions of certain applications.

  11. Maybe software prices are too high? by Yacoby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe they have never considered the fact that there is a correlation between the state of the economy and the amount of pirated software. Maybe they should consider that their prices are far too high to be able to afford. As for harming the economy, my money tends to go towards food rather than software. It isn't like I am saving the money and pirating software, I don't have any money to save.

  12. I have to wave the bullshit flag on this one. by dotfile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, but wait... it's a BSA report, which means anyone with a brain already KNOWS it's bullshit. Unfortunately, that means most members of Congress thinking it's true, and I suspect that's their intended audience. It's certainly a not "report" aimed at us. Their goal is to get more laws passed to make them and their masters money, extracted by law from everyone whether they have ever used any of the software in question or not. Another tax on blank media, anyone? How about one on hard drives, CPUs and other components? Pay by the megabyte for connectivity, because obviously we're stealing software? All they have to do is convince Congress-critters it's a good idea, which seems to be shockingly easy to do if you supply enough cash.

  13. Bloat by rant64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The other 59% of disk space occupied by legal software consists entirely of Adobe Reader.

  14. Re:Why doesn't the BSA promote Linux instead? by dotfile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because RedHat, Novell and the others aren't paying them to shill their stuff.

  15. From BSA Figures: Most Piracy Is Not Filesharing by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even according to the UK Government's recent consultation, about restricting Internet access of suspected filesharers, the figures of estimated damages due to software piracy is a staggering 144 times that of music, TV and films from filesharing:

    The BPI claim P2P file-sharing costs the UK music industry £180m pa (2008) while IPSOS gives a loss in the UK for TV and films of £152m (2007). ... Figures for software - the biggest of the creative industries - are difficult to obtain, but it is estimated by the Business Software Alliance that the global business software industry suffers annual losses of some US$48 billion out of a total market of US$450 billion due to piracy. The bulk of these losses is caused by unauthorised copying of software within businesses, rather than by P2P.

    ( http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file51703.pdf )

    So even though the Government has no reason to speak favourably of filesharing in this document, it still acknowledges that most software piracy is within businesses. So why does the BSA now focus on individuals and filesharing?

    Note that even if we assumed every download was a lost sale(!), that means the upper bound for damages is $974 million for a six month period, according to the figure in the article, a fraction of the BSA's own estimate for commercial piracy damages, at $24 billion over six months.

    the report also draws correlations between Internet piracy and the spread of malware such as viruses, trojans and spyware

    Oh, and Government plans to reduce the bandwidth of suspected downloaders - thus making it hard or impossible to download the large Windows security updates - won't effect the spread malware at all...

  16. The proprietary centerpiece.... by drjuggler · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...is the Online Auction Tracking System" previously used to prevent piracy of online FPS titles, software pirates have come to fear Quakers' OATS.

  17. Depends.. by Thyamine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it depends on the user. You have users who call their friend/family member/etc when they have a question, and clearly are not the ones pirating. Then you have the people who know what they are doing (and from my personal experience) quite often do. The reasons everyone gives are different, but there is often a good bit of it. And they are just as likely to install it on that friend/familiy member's computer when they call needing help with Office or whatever ('Oh, this is an old verson, let me upgrade you).

    I've mentioned it before. I have a friend that almost refuses to buy music when they can use whatever the current flavor of P2P is to get it. I had a different friend that gladly would download the newest games from torrents and play them. Not to mention the various other indiscretions I or other friends have done. Several people still will email me with a 'hey, do you happen to have a serial number for...' These aren't college students or poor workers from some low-end job. They are often well paid professionals (often in IT). They just don't want to spend the money. It's not some sense of 'information should be free!' or 'software shouldn't be patented!'. They just don't want to spend the money, so while these reports may not have numbers that everyone believes, I certainly have seen it day to day. Just without a metric that I can quote.

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  18. It needs to be said that... by sajuuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    1. Re:It needs to be said that... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it doesn't. It's said way too much on this website, up to the point where it's a sign of lack of critical thinking.

  19. Re:Why doesn't the BSA promote Linux instead? by sajuuk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because corporate America considers Linux to be pirated as well. As well as all FOSS software for that matter.

  20. More like 0% here by thebrid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a Ubuntu user, I can say precisely 0% of the software on my PC is pirated AND I have no issues with malware, viruses, trojans, etc. (according to ClamAV anyway). In fact, probably 99% of the software I run is free & open source. The only proprietary software I use for the time being is Adobe Flash and the ATI Radeon driver, both legally obtained.

    I know we'd all like to say that there is no link between illegally copied software (I refuse to use the word "pirated") and malware, but I'm sure we've all seen instances where relatives' PCs got infected by software downloaded from Kazaa, etc.

    What really surprises me is that, when given the choice between maybe catching viruses or getting prosecuted for downloading/installing illegal software and using the free and legal open source equivalent, so many people still choose to download their software illegally. I have to say, as a full-time user and software developer, Ubuntu's offering is really, really well put-together and a pleasure to use.

  21. Re:Because malware never comes with legal software by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well:

    1. Is simply not true. Adware and spyware are common in commercial software.
    2. Also not true - the first thing a pirate does is strip out the crap.
    3. If you *have* paid for it, it could be infected. That's why you scan everything.

  22. Re:Because malware never comes with legal software by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Informative

    This article is BS. There are probabilistic elements in software piracy and malware, but those statistics came from /dev/random
    If you know where to get your pirated software, then it's more than the distributors honor is worth, to let anything dodgy get into their release.

    The bit about "geographies with high instances of software piracy suffer from high instances of malware"; Ok that is probably true, and in S.Korea I don't think you can call legally sell it as a "computer" if it isn't full to the brim with malware.

  23. Re:Not to be confused with that other BSA by ubrgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apparently it doesn't matter which BSA it is - tbey'll both try to bugger you.

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  24. Re:Because malware never comes with legal software by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    - If you've paid for the software, it's highly unlikely that it will contain malware or adware.

    Unless it comes from Sony or Microsoft...

  25. Statistically worthless by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Can't measure it - you can't measure how many people downloaded your software through illicit channels because, by definition, those channels are usually unmonitored, don't keep logs, and aren't subject to easy investigation. You might be able to measure a particular computer at a particular point in time but any measurement being done on "behalf of" the BSA is going to be worthless. You'd have to randomly monitor thousands of PC's in dozens of categories (home, business, mobile, poweruser, etc.) and get permission to report on any "unlicensed" software there, and then chase it up with the company concerned to see if it was actually unlicensed (rather than just using the wrong VLK or similar for convenience).

    2) Can't compare it - the chances of those metrics being stable across such countries as Turkey and the US are unlikely.

    3) Can't correlate it - Just because malware goes up with pirated installations doesn't mean anything - it just means that the pirates prefer to download porn which may or may not introduce malware... it doesn't mean the malware is in the pirate software.

    Statistics are worthless quoted out of context. We have no idea what was measured, how, why, what bias was introduced by the measures, or anything else.

    To be honest, I imagine the percentage to be *higher*... I've seen dozens of people with Winzip on their computers who haven't actually bought it but they heard they needed it to open ZIP files. I've seen dozens of work laptops come back with full installations of football games, office, etc.... technically that's copyright infringement ("software piracy") because it's a breach of the license. I expect the true figure to be nearer 80 or 90%.

    But then you have the reasoning that it's somehow linked to malware in any way other than "people get malware too"... almost 100% of the home PC's I see have items of malware on them (again, depending on your definition).

    If you want to say "copyright infringement is bad and puts £5 on the cost of every game you buy, or £50 on the price of Office", people would listen. Making up bollocks statistics about nonsense correlations just makes me switch off and let's me know that, actually, you're just trying to scare me into buying things because you can't think any other way would work (and thus don't understand software "piracy" at all). I don't pirate, either at work or at home. I just move things to open-source if I can't afford the real package, and I never buy anything without a demo. No demo, no trial version, no purchase. I also don't buy anything with DRM that interferes with my usage of the product. I'm not alone.

    Stop spending your time analysing vague correlations and look at those statistics about why people pirate in the first place. Almost always it's cost, convenience and because a certain percentage of those "pirate" downloads are actually your own customers just trying to get the bloody thing working (I've had to break DRM schemes in work in order to be able to install compliant to our licensing - it was tons easier than our negotiating with the company in question to do the same thing). Be open with those stats and then things get interesting: How many pirates, on average, end up revealing upon further investigation that they *already* own the software in question, but the DRM got in the way? Or that they lost the install disk? Or that they needed original media to recover their PC's and it wasn't supplied by the manufacturer? I've seen all three of those and even done the second myself - I needed a particular install disk and it was an emergency and the person I was working for didn't have the original disk to hand. After I ensured that they were entitled to the licences, I just downloaded one and used that instead (after checksum verification). Does that contribute as being "another" PC with pirate software?

  26. Re:BSA by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bull. Shit. Artists.

    In. William. Shatner's. Voice.

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  27. Re:I don't buy it by noundi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    harming the economy

    Right, like they would have bought it if they couldn't pirate it.

    I love this bullshit. As you say, there's no way of telling how many percent of those who pirated would actually buy the software at hand. In my experience often people pirate because they're lazy, meaning they know some program from a while back and instead of looking for a free alternative they just pirate it because they're used to it. But also sometimes they actually need that program, however more often they don't.
    Also it's very easy to throw expressions such as "harming the economy" around. But let's think about what this means. If, and we have to remember the big if here, there would be a significant increase in such sales -- instead of people looking for free and/or open source alternatives (which by the way is already happening, anyway let's continue with the hypothesis) -- then in an international aspect this would harm the economy as the national currency would be weakened due to less trade. HOWEVER (one of those important caps moments) -- don't forget that piracy is also an international phenomenon, meaning if all countries have 10% piracy it would be -- in terms of economic balance, exactly the same as if we had 0% -- or 80%.
    What about national level? Well at national level the currency would merely shift towards those selling the software, as they collect the fees.
    What about the personal economy? Well you would have a slightly stronger currency (given that other countries ignore piracy) yet you would still, at a personal level, make a loss.
     
    Now let's ignore the moral aspects here, you can yell theft all you want but that's another discussion. This discussion was about the economy and how someone tries to bullshit you from this angle to change your mind. Change your mind for the right reasons, if you consider it theft then fine, but don't eat whatever crap that's thrown at you. By using the expressions such as "economy", a very big machine which can be difficult to understand, you can persuade somebody into a lot of things, since ultimately they will tend to feel stupid because they cannot break down the concept and understand how this hurts the economy -- you see no explanation is given, and that's the point of the argument. So if you feel stupid, that's even more of a reason to ask the question: why?

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  28. MS reps say its easier to pirate on Linux by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    BSA Says 41% Software On Personal Computers Is Pirated

    Well customers choose linux because Apps are easier to pirate. Steve Winfield of Microsoft's anti-FOSS Partner Technology Team (a.k.a. Delta Force) says so. It must be true.

    In other news, sources not partnered with Microsoft announce that Microsoft's desktop market share has dipped down to 59%. Between Conficker and Internet banking exploits, it could happen.

    Seriously, better check the BSA's definition of 'pirated'. Previous announcements like this turned out to classify any non-MS software as 'pirated'.

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    1. Re:MS reps say its easier to pirate on Linux by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

      Seriously, better check the BSA's definition of 'pirated'. Previous announcements like this turned out to classify any non-MS software as 'pirated'.

      Like my Microsoft-free desktop computer? Been a penguinista for over a decade now, and I still get a chuckle when they keep telling me Linux just doesn't get it done on the desktop.

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  29. Re:I have 0% also by DevConcepts · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not one single program on my computer is pirated.
    Not one single program on my computer is paid for.
    Vista 64 Ult/Win7 64 Ult, Office 2007 Pro, VS 2005-2008 Std, MSSQL 2005-2008 Std-Etc.
    If you can get it all for free why steal it?
    And no I don't have a MSDS or other paid subscription, that would be paying for it.

  30. totally wrong correlation by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " geographies with high instances of software piracy suffer from high instances of malware."

    Isn't this because the places you have to go in order to get free software aren't policed for malware? This really has nothing to do with the pirated software itself, but instead it has to do with the law preventing people from trading software for free in the first place. Software trading is outlawed == only outlaws will post software for trade (i.e. people already engaged in nefarious activities like malware).

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  31. Made up numbers by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hey, it works well for the *AA's in perverting public opinion and getting laws enacted so why should the BSA be any different?

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  32. "Harming the economy"? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First off, aside from the questionable validity of this study, I wonder really just how much these guys are "harming the economy"?

    Personally, I've made an effort to avoid pirated software these days (I'll admit, I used some back when I was younger, but open source was less common back then and I had no money to spend anyways).

    I mean, almost everything has a free replacement available these days.

    Windows -> Linux
    Outlook -> Thunderbird
    Office -> OpenOffice.org (or actually Gnumeric and Abiword, which I actually kinda prefer myself)
    Photoshop -> GIMP
    Visual Studio -> GNU Compilers + lots of IDEs
    Numerous Commercial CD Burning Programs -> Numerous Open Source CD Burning Programs

    Don't get me wrong I know that for *professionals* GIMP often just ain't gonna compare to Photoshop. However, for personal computers at home, I think the vast majority of users are fine with the above. More to the point, I think that if the choice actually came down to paying retail price for the commercial versions or using free software (instead of their actual choice which was free pirated commercial software or free open source software), I doubt that very many at all would opt to shell out the cash.

    And therein lies the problem - if these people would rather use free software instead of paying when called on this, then the net change in income for the makers of the software is nothing. That's not harming the economy. Indeed, it's likely helping the economy as if more people were forced to use open source and free software at home, then when they got to work and their boss asked them what programs they need budgeted into next years budget, they might just opt to keep using the open source ones, which would result in a DROP in revenue for the commercial companies. Methinks they don't want to push home users too hard here.

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  33. Not since the 1980 by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apparently it doesn't matter which BSA it is - tbey'll both try to bugger you.

    This hasn't been true for decades.

    The OTHER BSA, the one that goes camping has had a strong child-safety aspect since the late 1980s or early 1990s.

    The BSA requires adult leaders and Scouts to go through a sexual-abuse-awareness training program, and they even make those programs available to outside groups. They also have a 2-adult rule at all events and prefer 3 or 4 adults. They do not allow adults to be alone with Scouts unless there is an emergency or they are "alone" with but within eyesight of another adult.

    I would be far more worried about a similar group that didn't have a 2-adult policy than the Scouts.

    Oh, and as for the Business Software Alliance buggering you or more accurately your wallet, no argument there.

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  34. Re:Because malware never comes with legal software by Leynos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or Electronic Arts.

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  35. Re:BSA invents statistics - higher ethics? by Carewolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if some even explicitly choose copyright infringement sources simply to get spy and malware disabled versions of certain applications.

    I do, but they are not copyright infringement sources. If I already own a license, they are simply enhanced methods of distribution or a convinient malware-cleansing caching proxy.

  36. Is the BSA a front for Microsoft? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or, is the BSA just a bunch of extortionist thugs?

    From wikipedia:

    > According to an article in Mother Jones magazine,[4] the BSA discovered in 1995 that Antel, the Uruguayan national telephone company, had pirated US$100,000 worth of Microsoft, Novell, and Symantec software. The BSA's lawyers in Uruguay quickly filed suit, but dropped the suit in 1997 when Antel signed a "special agreement" with Microsoft to replace all of its software with Microsoft products. This has led to accusations that the BSA is a front for Microsoft, with its other members being enlisted purely to disguise Microsoft's dominant role.

  37. Bloat & price by dindi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I am a programmer and try to buy all the software I use I find it difficult with some products to keep up with the upgrades.

    BLOAT:
    For example Word & Excel (Office) - to keep bashing M$ - is a bloat. There is not really a version which is minimal enough for my needs. I really-really do not need all the crap that ships with MS Office. I do not use their mail, I do not use anything other than Excel and Word. I would be happy with a minimal version, or a second hand version of Office 2003 (the one I use on my Mac). Still, document formats are forced on people and most people just HAVE TO get it, and then do not want to pay because they feel they are buying the same product over and over. Oh, did I mention SPACE? Yeah, to read a document I really need to have gigabites of crap installed on my systems? I know I can select packages, but they still install a crap load of libraries and all that what would not be needed by just e.g. Word and Excel.

    PRICE:
    I use almost only free software to develop. Jedit, vi, whatever, but form time to time I need something that costs money. Most of the time I am faced with a price tag of $50-100 for an app I would use once (e.g. to decode a stored procedure or to save in a special format, or to repair an installation)....

    Version & function
    Here is Zend studio for example: I simply hate the new version, I cannot make peace with that eclipse bloated horror. I love the old version and the functions in it are more than satisfactory for my PHP needs. But can I buy it? No. I cannot/do not want to use the new version and I cannot buy the old version, so my option is: pirate it - since it is against my standards I am trying to use something else, but this old yet unavailable version is something I go back to from time to time.

    I think companies should have more options and combinations of their products, for the utility kind of things there should be a 10-day license too so people would more likely to buy the version they need instead of pirating it.

  38. And market share... by webdog314 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And let's not forget that even though I might pirate a certain bit of software from company X (for any of the reasons you mentioned), that I am NOT using a similar competing software from company Y. Even piracy increases market share.

    Of course, the BSA isn't going to mention that in their statistics.

  39. Re:WOW, just wow. by dbet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you really surprised when most people justify their choices this way? Would you also be surprised to know that most people feel this way? Most people, when faced with the fact that the law isn't serving them, will start to ignore it.

    The RIAA doesn't deserve protection under the law anymore. And as much as I'll get flamed for that statement, we're all thinking it, and we're all acting on it.

    But if you want a non-inflammatory morally relevant statement - I've been paying taxes on blank media for years, paid directly to the RIAA, and THAT has bought me any free copies I want, of whatever I want. Because I've already paid for it. And so have you.

  40. When will /. stop reporting this nonsense? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    every time the BullShit Alliance releases its "piracy survey" I have to say this again:

    Their Calculation goes like this:

    piracy = software necessity per PC (estimate) * number of PCs - sold software
    (see: Wikipedia)

    as you can see, they just have to raise their estimates of "how much software a PC needs" a little bit to skyrocket the piracy... also they don't consider people using free software or older versions of software, so all in all their piracy report means nothing more than "we would have wanted to sell THIS much more software!"

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  41. I don't doubt it by kimvette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't doubt it, but on the other hand, Adobe, Microsoft, et. al really ought to lower their prices. Ever since Microsoft knocked Wordperfect/Corel Office and Lotus Smartsuite pretty much out of the market the price for Office Pro has quadrupled. Ever since Corel Draw became irrelevant and the graphics companies consolidated (Adobe buying up Aldus, Corel buying up Jasc, etc.) the Adobe apps have skyrocketed in price.

    They got where they are through piracy: if fark-reading college students didn't pick up photoshop off of "warez" sites and learn their suites, Adobe might not have been able to maintain such dominance in the industry. If every Tom, Dick, and Harry didn't "pirate" Microsoft Office, maybe the monopoly wouldn't exist. Maybe Microsoft just might be more interested in interoperability because it would benefit them. They got where they are through piracy, and then implemented strict "activation" schemes now. The thing is, activation schemes only penalize paying customers. People who run 'cracked' software don't have to deal with false positives. They don't have to call Microsoft and wait on hold for 20 minutes for manual craptivation after they've done their second semi-annual Windows reinstall or did their video card upgrade. "Pirates" just install their cracked and slipstreamed Windows and Adobe Creative Suite install and they're done. Activation and Genuine Advantage don't affect them in the slightest.

    It's pathetic when the "counterfeit" software is superior to the legitimate.

    What is the solution? When it comes to operating systems, there is Linux, BSD, OpenSolaris, and other options - or even Mac OS X if you're adventurous enough to explore the hackintosh option (or just pick up a Mini). When it comes to office suites, download openoffice.org. With rare exception, the OpenOffice.org Suite will do everything you need it to do, and if you're an advanced user, you'll find that many features (such as integration with databases) is actually easier and superior in OpenOffice. Sure, the macro language is lacking in documentation, but if you're a coder, you'll be too busy appreciating knowing that your macro will actually work on a Mac to think about missing VBA.

    When it comes to graphic suites, unless you need things like layer effects, droplets, and other advanced features, gimp, inkscape, and xara extreme are very likely good enough for you. If you know what layer effects are, then no, gimp won't replace Photoshop, but your living probably does rely on Adobe product to some extent so go out and buy it; yes, it runs on Crossover Office (or even wine with some finagling).

    I run Linux about 95% of the time. F/OSS does it for me. Here is what I still need Windows for:

      * running my embroidery machine
      * Netflix (damn you, netflix! Bring the flash player back!)
      * syncing my iPhone (let's get with it, Amarok!)
      * several games that run on neither Crossover nor Cedega - and yes, a couple of them are Microsoft games

    Now, I had a really good Hackintosh install running for a while - but I had to wipe it to free up a drive for a job. When I go back to the Hackintosh I plan to install Snow Leopard. I would love to run OS X 100% of the time (Yes, it's legal. I do own a Mac but like PC hardware better; I use workstation motherboards and faster CPUs and video cards) but I find the KDE environment so productive with kioslaves in konqueror, it's hard to give it up and switch to the Finder. Most F/OSS software I run on Linux is also available on OS X. Worst case, it runs under fink.

    Seriously though: let's give companies what they want. They got where they are through "piracy" because tom, dick, and harry learned the apps at home and brought that knowledge to the office where it influenced purchase decisions. Download F/OSS instead, learn it, and bring that knowledge to the office. You'll see Adobe, Microsoft, etc. either lowering their prices or even "licensing" software free for personal use, much like the antivirus companies did.

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  42. Software bought by auction? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So they are counting "Used Software" as Pirated Software? Most software sold by auctions were used once and then sold via an auction to the lowest bidder. If one sold a book via an auction, it would not be considered pirated, but selling software via an auction is considered pirated? Some software sold via auction is still new and never used, is that pirated software as well? If so how is that different from a friend of mine buying the software new and then giving the copy to me to use as he bought two copies one for him and one for me to use. Is it pirated software then?

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  43. Re:BSA invents statistics - higher ethics? by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Me too, i specifically go for pirate copies of various things because they are typically free of phone home programs, onerous install requirements (eg license codes) and onerous runtime requirements (like putting the cd in the drive - who wants to carry around a stack of low capacity media like cds?)... The pirate copies are better, the fact that they're cheaper is secondary.

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  44. Re:Well, if that's how they want to think about it by kz45 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Software never was a product. And it never will be. It's a service. A service done once. And that work is what you pay for. Not the result. Because that would be the sick twisted view that Gates introduced back then. (Yep, you can thank him for that too.)"

    no, you are paying for the result, because the result is what you actually use.

    "Think if it like we all throwing money in a pot, to pay for a big software project. Then if there is no more work to do, and we don't think that what was done is worth more than what we already payed, we stop paying."

    I feel the same way about GNU software. It's my right to use it any way I see fit (including selling it an not giving back to the community). I'm glad we are on the same page.

  45. BSA credibility by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As always, it is unclear just what they consider "pirated". For example, if your company purchases 100% legitimate software via eBay, the BSA will not accept this as your software during an audit. They refuse to accept any and all eBay receipts. Hence, it is quite likely that they have counted all purchases via auction sites as pirated, even though this is clearly not true.

    This is only one of many "rules" they apply that make little or no sense. Did you know that possessing the complete packaging of a program, including the original CD/DVD and the enclosed license certificate is, according to the BSA, not proof of ownership? You must have an original receipt, with the company (or individual) name correctly spelled, which explicitly lists the product and version.

    The BSA may once have been a way to combat piracy'it has evolved into a monstrosity. Microsoft, Adobe and the other companies should terminate their relationships with it and start over.

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  46. Re: definition of "pirated" by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Informative

    They go farther. If you buy a used computer with Windows already installed and don't pay anything to Microsoft they classify you as a pirate even though that is entirely legal under US copyright law.

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