Some Users Say Win7 Wants To Remove iTunes, Google Toolbar

Foofoobar writes "Due to a strike with the UK's postal system, people in Great Britain are getting copies of Windows 7 early and have already posted their experiences about the install process. Some have an easy time but others post installs taking 3 hours including Windows asking them to remove iTunes and Google toolbar prior to installation." The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.

Comments

Sounds good to me

[Anonymous Coward]

iTunes and Google Toolbar are annoyances anyway. If they could permanently get rid of Quicktime, I'd be a happy camper.

Re:Sounds good to me

[nmg196]

You posted that like you thought QuickTime is decoding engine, which it's actually an awful cheap media player from the early 90s. An encoding engine is a small DLL - not an entire media player application. There is no NEED for Apple to require QuickTime to be installed, but like much of Apple's software.

iTunes is one of the most badly written awful pieces of software in mass usage today. It's no wonder Windows needs it to be out of the way while it's installing - it does a LOT of horrible things to your system including installing all sorts of pointless services and modifying many critical bluetooth settings.

Re:Sounds good to me

[manekineko2]

Yes, but libraries don't attempt to autoload a tray application without the plugin and player.

Re:I'm confused

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

And program installers shouldn't need to touch OS components to do program installs.

Unfortunately, neither of these hold in the world as it actually exists.

Re:Windows Upgrades

[Lord Byron II]

I don't know ... why don't you have these problems? What is your secret?

In my experience, if you have a real, live system and you upgrade Windows, you can expect everything non-MS to break. Critical registry entries get deleted, DLLs go missing, directories get moved and everything goes to hell in a hand-basket.

That's not an excuse

[Rix]

First off, there's no legitimate reason iTunes has to use QuickTime for MP3/AAC decoding. There are plenty of other options. If Apple insists on eating their own dogfood, there's no excuse for installing more than is necessary. Installing iTunes doesn't mean I want their stupid, crippled movie player or plugins.

Re:Windows Upgrades

[nomadic]

So provided that Linux upgrades any associated libraries when it upgrades an application,

Which it frequently doesn't. Ubuntu especially is notorious for breaking stuff.

Re:Windows Upgrades

[Joe U]

In my experience, if you have a real, live system and you upgrade Windows, you can expect everything non-MS to break. Critical registry entries get deleted, DLLs go missing, directories get moved and everything goes to hell in a hand-basket.

Exactly, and you want to know why?

Microsoft follows their publised API's and published guidelines. Most other companies DO NOT. They take shortcuts to try and get things done quicker and almost always get it wrong.

If it runs on Vista, it should run on Windows 7, if it breaks, the developer fucked up.

Apple, Real, AOL, Apple, Symantec, Adobe, McAfee, IBM and Apple I'm talking about YOU. Especially Apple, ITunes is an over-engineered crapfest that touches things it shouldn't touch in the OS. (In their defense, they have gotten slightly better lately, but itunes still lives in a dedicated VM on my computer).

Re:Windows Upgrades

[nstlgc]

If you call "relying on side effects" "using undocumented features", then yea, maybe. Like that time developers thought everyone runs XP as administrator. Oh wait...