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Some Users Say Win7 Wants To Remove iTunes, Google Toolbar
Foofoobar writes "Due to a strike with the UK's postal system, people in Great Britain are getting copies of Windows 7 early and have already posted their experiences about the install process. Some have an easy time but others post installs taking 3 hours including Windows asking them to remove iTunes and Google toolbar prior to installation." The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.
iTunes and Google Toolbar are annoyances anyway. If they could permanently get rid of Quicktime, I'd be a happy camper.
First, this obviously applies only to upgrades.
Second, iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack, and it needs to go.
After Win7 is installed you can add it back, and not lose any of your music.
Don't make a big deal out of Microsoft trying to remove the effects of misbehaved software corrupting the install.
There is no issue here.
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Windows 7 recognizes how bad iTunes is? Even XP can't do that! I'm switching right now... Where'd I put my MSDNAA login?
Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
Here's the a quote from the article of a user who found that Windows 7 asked that the user uninstall iTunes:
...and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there.
While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall, it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.
I will note that many users had significant difficulties with using non-Apple software after upgrading to Snow Leopard.
I myself have had significant difficulties using already installed software after upgrading various shared libraries via ports on FreeBSD.
I would suggest that these issues are along the lines of what Microsoft was doing when it asked the user to uninstall iTunes and the Google Toolbar.
From TFA:
Yep - a disaster in the making.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
What a crappy, dishonest summary! I despise MS as much as anyone, but this is too much. Yes, it asked them to remove iTunes, etc., but then it reinstalled them! And everything worked.
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Did the poster even read the article? The summary is longer than the sentence that mentions this.
"The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install," he says. "Which I did, it was some drivers, iTunes and the Google Toolbar." What does the author say about this horrible, horrible thing? "I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced."
That's not sarcasm, that's not some biting commentary at microsoft, that is a user who is content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computer. This is not an article about how microsoft is afraid of competition and squashes even the slightest attempt at competition, this is about how 3 people were relatively happy with their instillations.
The poster picked the single most insignificant statement out of context, and made it their headline. I'm not sure if the poster was being ironic, or trying to troll linux fans into reading a pro-microsoft article, but the summary has almost nothing to do with the article.
The upgrade didn't make you purge your computer of open source software. Windows 7 didn't make you uninstall OO.O, or even Lotus Notes (which really, needs to die). The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor's software, it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.
And program installers shouldn't need to touch OS components to do program installs.
Unfortunately, neither of these hold in the world as it actually exists.
Finally, a good idea from microsoft.
Surely the real story here is that the postal strike is somehow causing mail to be delivered faster.
I don't know ... why don't you have these problems? What is your secret?
In my experience, if you have a real, live system and you upgrade Windows, you can expect everything non-MS to break. Critical registry entries get deleted, DLLs go missing, directories get moved and everything goes to hell in a hand-basket.
First off, there's no legitimate reason iTunes has to use QuickTime for MP3/AAC decoding. There are plenty of other options. If Apple insists on eating their own dogfood, there's no excuse for installing more than is necessary. Installing iTunes doesn't mean I want their stupid, crippled movie player or plugins.
For some reason, Apple decided to use their own USB driver; one not exactly known for it's stability, evidently. Yes, Apple would rather risk your system instability than use a standard tried & tested driver to write files to any iPod. That'll be why Windows 7 doesn't like it I expect.
http://www.google.com/search?q=itunes+BSOD
Sometimes I wonder if Apple make PCs crash deliberately to fuel their ad-war
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But why does this have to be the case with MS Windows?
I never had this problem on my GNU/Linux system. Nor have I ever heard anyone about this issue on Mac OSX.
No, OSX only downgrades Flash to a vulnerable version. Nothing to worry about.
So provided that Linux upgrades any associated libraries when it upgrades an application,
Which it frequently doesn't. Ubuntu especially is notorious for breaking stuff.
I would have put myself solidly in the "never upgrade, always do wipe and load" camp until Windows 7. I've now upgraded three machines and it has gone very very well. (I would still wipe and load for corporate purposes to be sure the machines are 100% the same).
For this specific item they mention here about iTunes... The beta version of the upgrade advisor merely recommended that you deauthorize iTunes on your computer before upgrading. Apparently nobody could figure out how to do that, so they now recommend that you uninstall iTunes, then upgrade your machine, then re-install iTunes. I guess this is to make sure your computer remains authorized for any content you bought although I can't give results for that as I only have content I ripped from CD myself. I can say I have done one machine each way - I uninstalled for this notebook I am on now and I just deauthorized for my wife's notebook. Both upgrades worked flawlessly.
In my experience, if you have a real, live system and you upgrade Windows, you can expect everything non-MS to break. Critical registry entries get deleted, DLLs go missing, directories get moved and everything goes to hell in a hand-basket.
Exactly, and you want to know why?
Microsoft follows their publised API's and published guidelines. Most other companies DO NOT. They take shortcuts to try and get things done quicker and almost always get it wrong.
If it runs on Vista, it should run on Windows 7, if it breaks, the developer fucked up.
Apple, Real, AOL, Apple, Symantec, Adobe, McAfee, IBM and Apple I'm talking about YOU. Especially Apple, ITunes is an over-engineered crapfest that touches things it shouldn't touch in the OS. (In their defense, they have gotten slightly better lately, but itunes still lives in a dedicated VM on my computer).
I upgraded Vista Ultimate x64 to Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and had no significant issues. The 'upgrade advisor' program even advised me to deauthorize my installation of iTunes before continuing. No fuss, no muss, as they say.
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As someone who installed Vista 2 years ago, updated to the Windows 7 RC when it came out and then to the final, allow me to say - what the heck are you talking about? The only thing that broke was Daemontools. This includes but is not limited to Firefox, Chrome, mIRC, Sony Acid, Sony Soundforge, Photoshop, GOM player, uTorrent, Emule, FTPrush, video codecs, and, as you already stated, numerous MS applications I run. They've all been there from Vista to the RC to the final.
Really, what do you guys run that causes all these problems?
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If you call "relying on side effects" "using undocumented features", then yea, maybe. Like that time developers thought everyone runs XP as administrator. Oh wait...
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All that fear mongering was a bunch of hooey.
What is locked out?
Nothing.
Do P2P apps work properly?
Yes
Are there unexplained phone-homes?
Vista and W7 are much more thoroughly instrumented than XP was. Many of these will send anonymous usage and config data back to MS. These are all well documented and understood, and don't really cause any concern for privacy.
They're largely all disable-able, though they are scattered, as many of the product groups rolled their own systems for this (ie, office vs. media player vs wga, etc).
Can I still play out-of-region CDs?
This is dependent on the hardware and software you use. But the OS in no way gets involved.
Do I have to fight UAC like someone with Vista?
Loaded question. UAC on Vista (post SP1) worked exactly as it was intended. Any problems you had you should blame on your app vendors.
Or yourself, if you chose to not customize UAC behavior to your liking. It is tremendously customizable (even in Vista) in how it behaves, how it prompts, whether or not to use the secure desktop, etc etc. If you don't like it, just configure it so that you do.
W7 loosens it a bit so that many actions that the OS perceives as 'initiated by the user' dont cause an elevation. This is how it ships. You can turn it back to Vista style if you want, or otherwise customize it.
Can I copy any standard file type on to any standard media?
Yes.