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Prison Terms For Spammer Ralsky, Scientology DoS Attacker

tsu doh nimh writes "Alan Ralsky, the 64-year-old dubbed the 'Godfather of Spam,' was sentenced to 51 months in prison on Monday, the Washington Post's Security Fix blog reports. According to anti-spam group Spamhaus.org, Ralsky has been spamming since at least 1997, using dozens of aliases and tens of thousands of 'zombies' or hacked PCs to relay junk e-mail. Also sentenced — to 40 months in jail — was Ralsky's 48-year-old son-in-law, Scott K. Bradley, and two other men named last year in a 41-count indictment for wire fraud, mail fraud, money laundering and violations of the CAN-SPAM Act." And eldavojohn writes "19-year-old Dmitriy Guzner, Anonymous member and Scientology DDoS attacker, received one year and one day in jail for his admitted crime. His sentence could have been a maximum ten years. According to the Church of Scientology, Anonymous has harassed and attacked them with '8,139 threatening phone calls, 3.6 million e-mails, 141 million hits on its website, ten acts of vandalism against its property, 22 bomb threats, and eight death threats against Church leaders.'"

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  1. Church of Scientology by Paranatural · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientology members complaining about being harassed is like Mormons bitching about missionaries knocking on their doors.

    1. Re:Church of Scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was going to reply to this, but I'm going to have to have my lawyer check the gag order first.

    2. Re:Church of Scientology by mknutty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, but on the scale of evil bastards, I'd rather spammers get comeuppance than the scientologists. Especially if the spam included DoS attacks, hacking, and bomb threats. For most people, scientology is just a bad joke, but spammers are screwing with the everyday lives of pretty much everyone out there. And one year in jail is not enough disincentive.

    3. Re:Church of Scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spamming doesn't ruin lives.

    4. Re:Church of Scientology by bmajik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When was the last time you were harassed by a Scientology member?

      When I woke up today and used the internet.

      Scientology was the first organization I am aware of that successfully forced an internet anonymous email service to dig up and disclose information about its clients. All over copyright claims. I am referring to anon.penet.fi, the famous anonymous remailer we all used in the 90s.

      In the early days when nobody cared about what "we" did with the internet, we knew that for every asshole that was up to serious evil, there were 10 smart guys who didn't care what your deal was, but hated assholes and could route around them. There were jackasses, but technology always beats jackasses.

      Then the law came, and all of that got a lot harder.

      Today we have the ability to make "highly" anonymous network connections but we rely on a small group of very VERY dedicated people to make that possible.. [people with the wherewithal to run TOR exit nodes, for instance].

      Those entities [be they CoS or rotten governments] who want to destroy free speech must not be tolerated by us.

      I remember my senior year of college when I got a takedown-letter about hosting DeCSS. And you know what? I folded, because I had a good job lined up that required I _not_ be a felon. Freedom of speech lost a little bit and I helped give it away, because a warm bed and a normal life are more convenient than principles and freedom.

      Our enemies know that, and they attack the weakest of us not to get rid of one or two, but because of the chilling effect it has on the rest of us. No one can escape the law forever, and thus the law, which is supposed to protect the freedom of one man from the encroachments of another, is used as their tool for enslaving us to their desires.

      I'm a fallible man and most of us are. That doesn't mean we don't deserve to hate the entites that continue to attack us by perverting the institutions we designed to protect ourselves.

      I congratulate the "moralfags" [as they are called within anonymous] who are fighting back. Sometimes, it comes at a high cost, like with this guy.

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    5. Re:Church of Scientology by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AFAIK CoS isn't kidnapping unwilling people and forcing them to become members, so it's kind of Darwinian in principle.

      No, but as soon as you join they can kidnap you.

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    6. Re:Church of Scientology by Suzuran · · Score: 2, Informative

      Spamming didn't murder Lisa McPherson.

    7. Re:Church of Scientology by digitig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It wasn't the CoS that was on trial. I've been on a jury that felt that the "victim" of a crime should have got time too, but that didn't change our conviction that the accused had committed the crime so we had to return a guilty verdict.

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    8. Re:Church of Scientology by Abreu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When was the last time you were harassed by a Scientology member?

      When one of my University teachers became a scientologist and hijacked the whole class for months to discuss Dianetics as the "new science for management and self-improvement for success in the 21st century".

      Problem is that since Scientology is not registered as a religion in my country, the school's heads were not aware of the inappropriateness of her actions and it took over three months of protests from several students for them to find out and sack her.

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    9. Re:Church of Scientology by Suzuran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the law refuses to step in and do justice, then it falls to the people to pick up the slack.
      Just because the government wants to play the role of Chamberlain does not mean Hitler should not be opposed.
      Scientology is a patently evil organization and should be opposed by any and all means.
      I do not see Anonymous as heroes, I see them as ordinary people doing what needs to be done.

    10. Re:Church of Scientology by bmajik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correct.

      And because I've never died, I also do not carry life insurance of any kind.
      Because I've never been raped, I don't pay attention to my surroundings or the people nearby.
      Because I've never been hit by another car, I don't wear a seatbelt.

      Of course, everything I said above is false.

      Even though none of those things have happened to me, they've happened to other people who _are like me_. And as a result, I've modified my behavior and in some cases suffered a monetary loss.

      This is what is known as a "chilling effect". A great tragedy befalls a handful of individuals, but all individuals realize it could have just as easily have been them. This causes massive behavioral change on a wide scale.

      This is exactly the pscyhology used by terrorism, infact. The goal of terrorists isn't to kill all people or even certain people -- it's to kill enough people to effect behaviorial change on a large popupation.

      The goal of Scientology [and the RIAA, and other agents of censorship that have the power of the state behind them] is similar. They know they can't get everyone or even most people. But they don't have to -- getting a few people now and then will persuade many others into changing their behavior.

      I haven't done a detailed study, but everytime there is a CoS article on slashdot, a LOT of the comments are posted by Anonymous Coward. Why is that? Why are people unafraid to openly criticize the catholic church -- often with blatantly vulgar remarks, and yet so few are willing to do the same against the CoS?

      Fear. Fear is the difference. If the CoS wants to rule its own members via fear, that is lamentable and a great reason not to associate with the CoS. But the CoS wants to rule non-members and specifically CoS antagonists via Fear as well.

      I don't think it is unreasonable to despise an organization that has already engaged in activities designed to control me via Fear.

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    11. Re:Church of Scientology by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Informative

      Neither does CoS without the subject's consent. AFAIK CoS isn't kidnapping unwilling people and forcing them to become members, so it's kind of Darwinian in principle

      Hmm... I don't agree.

    12. Re:Church of Scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      When was the last time you were harassed by a Scientology member?

      When my husband divorced me after the center discovered that while he was a Scientologist, I wasn't. You see, they don't allow you to befriend (unless you're trying to recruit), much less marry, non-Scientologists. This was a number of years ago before most people, including me, knew what a fraud and cult this "religion" is.

      They will convince the convert that anything bad that happens to him is because they're not being a good scientologist. My husband was just laid off during the 80's downturn in oil. Although he did get another job right away, it was obvious they impressed on him that being with me was causing all these bad things to happen. Our marriage had been happy until this happened.

      One reason Travolta kept refusing to admit his son was autistic, is because (any mental illness or perceived by the church as mental illness) is believed to be caused by their contact with "non-clear" (non-Scientologists). Which means they often blame mental illness on the family.

    13. Re:Church of Scientology by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Neither does CoS without the subject's consent.

      Not true. CoS victims include the families of the suckers who join the cult, as well as critics. Paulette Cooper, Keith Henson, Graham Berry, and many, many others.

      -jcr

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    14. Re:Church of Scientology by hemp · · Score: 2, Funny

      But what ever you do, do not post the previously forbidden texts or the Slashdot mods will have to delete your posts.

      They do the bidding of the evil organization.

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    15. Re:Church of Scientology by billcopc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the DoS here stands for "Denial of Scientology", I'd say it's fair game.

      Look at it this way: most Americans of middle-eastern descent or Muslim faith have been steadily harassed and mistreated over at least the past 8 years, even though less than 1 per 100 MILLION have been identified as known criminals, and the supposed Muslim-originated attack on the WTC resulted in 2976 counted deaths. That's two victims for every million Muslims.

      Scientologists' numbers are unknown, but are estimated to be less than 100,000. And yet, they are known to be responsible for at least two of their own members' deaths, an order of magnitude greater than the so-called "Muslim terrorists". So why the hell are we fighting in the middle east, when Scientology has shown to be 10 times deadlier per-capita ?

      Don't even get me started on catholicism :P

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    16. Re:Church of Scientology by billcopc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You lump bomb threats in with spam and DoS, yet I can't recall any incident in the history of computing where spam or DoS directly caused a person's death.

      The core of the matter is there are rampant abuses of civil liberties, and the CoS is a highly visible icon of such abuse. If the CoS is allowed to continue, then we open the door for any and all wacked-out works of fiction to be labeled as "religion", and to benefit from the irrational exclusions and bypasses applied thereto.

      Really, what's preventing me from founding the "Church of Spam" and claiming that UCE is protected religion speech ? We could all worship the holy Tomlinson, and each level of (paid) membership would open up access to secret RFCs until one attains "High Daemon" rank, where the subtle intricacies of SMTP are finally revealed.

      Seriously man, FUCK Scientology. They deserve everything that's coming to them.

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    17. Re:Church of Scientology by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are mistaken on several counts. One is that they do imprison people, as described by numerous former members at http://www.scientology-lies.com/imprisonment.html. Some members are kept confined at "Flag Base" without correspondence, telephone contact, or any information from the outside world.

      The other is that the "consent" of many victims of Scientology is not "informed consent". The auditing sessions, well-documented as hypnotic conditioning with a lie detector, are used to condition new members to acceptance of the group's beliefs and claims, and acceptance of the group's treatment, without informing the victim of the genuine costs or the actual potential benefits of the treatment, or the risks of loss of income, loss of family, and in some cases such as http://www.lisamcpherson.org/ loss of life.

      Worse, this cult _preys_ on the mentally ill, at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, at prisons, and other venues, by offering physical and mental health and fraudulently lying about psycho-active medication and treatments from professionals from behind its front, the "Citizen's Commission on Human Rights". They're nasty: removing their non-profit status would be a good step towards forcing them to open up their books, pay off various court judgments against them, and tracing where the money and the people went. In particular, it would make the "auditing folders" part of business records that could be easily subpoenaed.

  2. 141 million hits on its website? by loftwyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when is visiting a website vandalism? This is terrifying! /. could have me arrested for almost 10 years of visiting!

    1. Re:141 million hits on its website? by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, your refresh script obviously failed because you didn't get the first post.

    2. Re:141 million hits on its website? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you do it with the attempt to stop the server... That is vandalism. Slashdot having a lot of people who want to read the content is not vandalism it is not having the correct server capacity. As always the difference is intent.

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    3. Re:141 million hits on its website? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that 141 million hits qualifies as a DDOS, especially on a site not designed to handle that much traffic. Of course, it depends on the timeframe for those hits, but even over a year, that's 5 hits per second.

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    4. Re:141 million hits on its website? by euxneks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Speaking of which, I don't think I've hit a site that's been slashdotted in a long time.. Am I just reading the news too early/late or is this phenomena on the way out?

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  3. Not a lazy man at least by cptnapalm · · Score: 2, Funny

    '8,139 threatening phone calls, 3.6 million e-mails, 141 million hits on its website, ten acts of vandalism against its property, 22 bomb threats, and eight death threats against Church leaders.'

    Well, that's one way to keep busy.

    1. Re:Not a lazy man at least by trapnest · · Score: 4, Informative

      He didn't hire a small army, he was part of a small army.
      http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Chanology - NSFW
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanology

    2. Re:Not a lazy man at least by EmperorKagato · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Project Chanology has nothing to do with the orchestration of DDoS attacks and harassment attempts with the Church of Scientology.

      The members of the small group that decided to perform these attacks did this on their own which caused losts of infighting between Anonymous since performing anything illegal goes against Project Chanology's cause.

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    3. Re:Not a lazy man at least by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just FYI for those who don't have the time or inclination to decipher 'Anonymous' and '/b/'s sarcastic parody insider language: Anonymous is not a "group" in the traditional sense. Nobody "joins" Anonymous. Everybody who feels like doing a prank is a member of Anonymous for the moment they are doing the prank and they are not as soon as the prank is done. Anonymous has no consensus or agreement on their goals or motives. Nobody can request action on behalf of Anonymous ("Anonymous is not your personal army").

      More than anything else "Anonymous" is a term or meme that describes the mob effect that occurs in response to shared outrage or shared giggles. In this way it is not entirely unlike Slashdot. It is ridiculous when someone says 'Slashdot believes this' or 'Slashdot agrees with that'.

      It is grossly unfair for Guzner to get the blame for over 9,000 phone calls and the rest as a "member of Anonymous". Nobody is a member of Anonymous, and everyone is a member of Anonymous.

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    4. Re:Not a lazy man at least by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      However I find it funny that Scientology has such specific figures, especially on the phone calls.

      If you plan to take legal action for harassment, it behooves you to document that all.

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    5. Re:Not a lazy man at least by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is grossly unfair for Guzner to get the blame for over 9,000 phone calls

      *golf clap*

  4. scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to the Church of Scientology, Anonymous has harassed and attacked them with ... 141 million hits on its website ...

    Sorry, what was the website URL again?

    1. Re:scientology by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who gave you the ability to decide that, the Pope?

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    2. Re:scientology by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Informative

      All real churches involve pasta and pirates.

    3. Re:scientology by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

      They are a cult.

      People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations;
      Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;
      They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader;
      They get a new identity based on the group;
      They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled.

      From everything I've read about and seen of Scientolgists and Scientology, they do all of those things.

      Contrast that to say...Judaism or Islam, theres a big difference.

    4. Re:scientology by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was going to say "only on slashdot is a completely ignorant comment be modded +2 insightful", but clicking on the "reply button" I see it was remodded as troll. Good job, mods!

      I don't often go to church, but I've been to very many different denominations of Christian churces and have yet to have any of them attempt to scam me out of money. They pass the collection plate around, but nobody ever coerces or forces or shames anyone into putting money into it. In fact, many if not most churches have "food pantries" where the poor can come for food. You don't have to have a penny in your pocket to go to a real church.

      Your only contact with religion appears to be the TV evangelists. These are NOT Christian churches; they are indeed scams. They're easy to spot, as well.

      • The preacher wears a four thousand dollar suit. I've never been to a real church with a rich preacher. Pat Robertson has converted more Christians to athiesm than all the athiests at slashdot combined.
      • Huge multimillion dollar facility. "The love of money is the root of all evil". Read the actual Bible to see what Jesus has to say about money. If you're rich, read it and weep. If you worship money you're not worshiping God.
      • A political bias, particularly a right-wing political bias in sermons. You rarely see this in a real church.
      • The congregation is all white, or all black, maybe with a token member of another race.
      • The preacher will sell prayer in return for money. The Catholic church's priests have been guilty of this in the past, and is what caused Martin Luther to act and start the Reformation. You can't buy your way into heaven
      • The preacher will condemn some group, such as gays, for their behavior. "Judge not, lest you be judged yourself". I find it hypoctitically ironic that a clean-shaven preacher will bash gays, when the Bible clearly states that making yourself look like a woman is a sin -- and what would be more "making yourself look like a woman" than removing a secondary sexual characteristic? Before you try to remove the mote from your brother's eye, first remove the plank from your own.

      Christianity is about love and eternal life, not death and hatred and hell. Any preacher who rallies for war is a wolf in sheep's clothing. In fact, if you read the bible you'll find that athiests don't go to hell -- it agrees with the athiests that athiests die when they die. Only Christians who willfully rebel against God go to hell; their sins are forgiven. Jesus paid the price for Christians' sins.

    5. Re:scientology by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

      "You even go so far as to mention Young-Earthers -- the same folks who believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that we co-existed with dinosaurs. I am not defending scientology in any way, but it is simply not possible to get more retarded than this."

      Yea, you can.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu#Summary

      "The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions[5][19] of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, et cetera". This included all world religions, with Hubbard specifically attributing Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands"

    6. Re:scientology by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, as a historian, I see the Bible, at least the Old Testament for what it is, an oral history and moral code system. The creation of the Earth and all that isn't from a guy who herded goats 4,000 years ago, but its the oral tradition of all the peoples in the region, originally probably from Persia or western India. The Deluge myth might even date back to the end of the Ice Age, or at least the flooding of the Persian Gulf area or other megafloods.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(prehistoric)

      Also, the Bible isn't just a Christian text, its also a Jewish text and is held in regard by Muslims, its just not their book.

  5. Ralsky's the guy that Slashdot spammed... by douglips · · Score: 5, Informative

    He took it right in the ass. It was beautiful.

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/06/1554227

  6. Re:dark side of the coin by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Information is signal, not noise.

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  7. Scientology is not a religion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it's a tax evasion scheme.

    1. Re:Scientology is not a religion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      .... it's a tax evasion scheme.

      If you had phrased that in the form of a statement backed by references, you might not have been modded flamebait:

      "Didn't France convict the CoS of fraud? ( http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/27/france.scientology.fraud/index.html )"

      or

      "Arnaldo Lerma tells us that, 'when I asked why Scientology was now being called a church, I was told that it was for tax purposes.' ( http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard2.htm )"

      Something like that might have gotten the flamebait mods countered by positive ones... even if it (and this post) are likely somewhat off-topic for this particular article.

  8. Re:dark side of the coin by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately someone has to -- if we can't control the flow of noise a bit the Internet will be totally unusable.

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  9. In Defense of Anonymous... by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Never gonna give you up!

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    1. Re:In Defense of Anonymous... by selven · · Score: 3, Funny

      Never gonna C-C-C-break your combos

  10. Re:dark side of the coin by czarangelus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Brilliant! You have just created a mechanism by which the government can declare all dissent from its policies "noise" and thus be blocked.

    Back in the USSR, they used to respond with dissent by calling it the result of mental illness. After all, the dictatorship of the proletariat always had the best interests of the common folk at heart. If you disagreed with its policies, it must be because you are a poor suffering victim of some kind of anti-social personality disorder.

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  11. Re:dark side of the coin by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Funny

    do you really want the government deciding which is which?

    The government doesn't really decide that. We do. We complain, the government investigates. It isn't a proactive measure that the government is taking.

    However we could have issues if it grows to something similar to the FCC.

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  12. scientology by Dan667 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is not a church.

  13. Prison talk by Mishotaki · · Score: 4, Funny

    "So, you're the guy who keeps sending me those male enhancement meds spam huh?"

    "No sir, i'm only specialising in female spam, nothing else!"

    "Yeah, right! well i'll make an example for the next spammer who dares saying that i need such drugs!"

    *drops pants*

    "Mommy!"

  14. Re:dark side of the coin by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Legislating against spam has nothing to do with free speech whatsoever. It has everything to do with poisoning the commons. If we, as a society, can enact laws saying it is illegal for a mining company to dump 10,000 litres of cyanide into a river, then we can also enact laws saying it is illegal for Alan Ralsky to dump ten billion rolex spams into the world's routing hardware.

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  15. Dmitriy Guzner: by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Informative

    secularist martyr

    you don't fight vile "religions" that zombify and enslave the weak with kind words and cupcakes

    this is the way the mafia known as the church of scientology plays:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

    turn around is fair play

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  16. Re:dark side of the coin by NetRanger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personality disorders, like, extreme anti-government paranoia? Or confusing basic regulations for Stalinist policies?

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  17. Re:dark side of the coin by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Freedom of speech implies that the recipient wants to listen.

    It does? Then it's not freedom of speech, it's freedom to hear.

  18. Re:dark side of the coin by LOLLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Brilliant! You have just created a mechanism by which the government can declare all dissent from its policies "noise" and thus be blocked.

    The US Government can do that and already has done so on a number of occasions.

  19. Re:dark side of the coin by McDutchie · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's about consent, not about content. Spam, by definition, is unsolicited bulk e-mail. The type of content doesn't enter into it, so any concerns about censorship are misplaced.

  20. Hrmmmm by SLot · · Score: 2, Funny

    '8,139 threatening phone calls, 3.6 million e-mails, 141 million hits on its website, ten acts of vandalism against its property, 22 bomb threats, and eight death threats against Church leaders.'

    part of me mentally read all of those numbers as 'over 9000'

    1. Re:Hrmmmm by Spazztastic · · Score: 2, Funny

      How did you read ten, 22, and 8 as over 9000?

      It's mean to point out someones dyslexia.

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  21. Re:dark side of the coin by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's funny to me that the people who complain about spam the most are also the "information wants to be free" types.

    And if you get caught lying to the tax office about your income, you probably also pull the argument that free speech, as guaranteed by the constitution, also covers lying to the tax office, right?

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you may (mis-)use any medium to tell your opinion. It just says that you must have the possibility to do so, and to do so in public. It doesn't say you have the right to fill up private mailboxes with it. I reserve the right to decide what I want to have in my(!) mailbox. If you want to tell the world about how great your replica watches are, or how much you like the Democrats or Republicans, you are invited to do on any public channel. But keep it out of my mailbox. It's my mailbox. It is not public.

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  22. typical /. libermentarianism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it was inevitable that a story about someone the hivemind dislikes has a insensitive joke about prison rape.

    and of course, it's also inevitable that we'll have some nimby-pimpby sanctimonious PC jerkwad stating that isn't funny.

  23. yah but... by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Anonymous has harassed and attacked them with '8,139 threatening phone calls, 3.6 million e-mails, 141 million hits on its website, ten acts of vandalism against its property, 22 bomb threats, and eight death threats against Church leaders.'"

    They always say that.

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  24. Ok... by koinu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    8,139 threatening phone calls, 3.6 million e-mails, 141 million hits on its website, ten acts of vandalism against its property, 22 bomb threats, and eight death threats against Church^Wsect leaders

    Where do I send fan mail for this guy?

  25. Anonymous is winning by AnonymousX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anonymous has done a lot since the early days of prank calls and whatnot. The legal protests as well as other actions by Anonymous (also legal) have delivered a crushing and unprecedented blow to Scientology. Anon has probably done more to fuck them over than even the FBI did at the end of the 1970's. Now because of Anon, there is massive negative media coverage of the scilons. Hollywood is rebelling against them and more and more celebs are walking away or saying no. And on top of all that, now the Australian government is taking a hard look at Scientology as a criminal organization with a Senator actually denouncing them in open Parmiment. Anonymous has enabled many ex-scientologists to speak out as well as family of those still inside to seek communication with their loved ones without fear of reprisal. Anonymous enabled this by breaking the back of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs and has them so tied up, they can't prioritize which targets to go after and have lost their effectiveness almost entirely. After nearly 2 years of this, only one conviction against an anon and for a lowly DDOS attack that happened in the early few weeks of the movement is a testament to how good Anonymous is at staying within the law. Sure it may cut out some form of lulz, but we have found that action against the Scientologists that hurts them but leaves us legally untouchable generates way more lulz because it leaves them no lawful recourse against us.

  26. Re:dark side of the coin by windex82 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's cool, I'm going to come knock on your door for the next three years. The knocking is just a bit of a nuisance and since you've done your part and locked me out all is well right?

    Somehow I feel that if I did that I would be looking at a solution that comes from the point of a government gun.

  27. To Name One by Conchobair · · Score: 4, Informative
  28. Re:dark side of the coin by bmajik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personality disorders, like, extreme anti-government paranoia? Or confusing basic regulations for Stalinist policies?

    What prevents Stalin the 2nd from happening in the USA? Have we just been lucky to not have anyone that mean be born here? Are Americans just a better judge of character than the Russians?

    I'm not so presumptuous to think that Russia is better at making tyrants than we are, or its people are more predisposed to misjudging politicians.

    The difference between everywhere else and the USA is that we wrote down a bunch of rules that the government wasn't allowed to break. That way, when our stupid citizens elected tyrants, those tyrants never had any wind in their sails and we didn't "vanish" millions of people for essentially arbitrary reasons [brown people notwithstanding]

    The difference is that our government was designed to put the brakes on itself. So when someone proposes that we give the government power or control to do some act that it didn't previously have the power to do, IMO reasonalbe Americans ought to be concerned.

    If we get to the point [assuming you don't think we're there yet] where the political class in this country can do whatever they like, what's to stop them? What prevents Stalin the 2nd from coming to power in the USA? Luck? An educated populace? An insightful press and critical media?

    The difference between here and "not here" is that here, we don't beleive Stalin has the right to do what Stalin does, and our laws say so. Let's not be in a hurry to denigrate those who question the relaxation of limits on government power.

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  29. Tor by default by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see request for Tor by default in Ubuntu. What about other distros or other onion routers? That would increase the base. Amnesty or Human Rights Watch or The Democracy Center all have a stake in onion routing. To take the thread in the same direction, but further, the group that backed Bush may have left the top offices in the administration, but it has not entirely left power. And the voting machine problem is not yet solved. Those are still under their sphere of influence.

    Phil Zimmermann's Why I Wrote PGP and OpenSSH's SSH FAQ are two works that come to mind first about privacy. Most countries recognize the natural right to peaceable assembly. Do the corporations that now have larger budgets and more political clout than some small countries also those rights? You know the answer. The price of freedom is not just eternal vigilance, the cost also includes acting to proactively resolve threats to that freedom.

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  30. Re:A Year and a Day? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's part of the US's Common Law background. A prison sentence for a felony is longer than one year; it's one of the things that distinguishes a felony from a misdemeanor.

  31. Re:L. Con Hubbard by endymion.nz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A direct quote from L Con Hubbard: Attack...never defend. Apparently the only way to keep up a teetering "religion" is to attack.

    That's a direct quote from me as well, talking about RTS games. Not saying L Ron Hubbard wasn't a douche, just that its common sense and can be applied to pretty much anything...

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  32. Re:dark side of the coin by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When has our government actually ever given us a new right instead of taking them away? When have they taken useless or wrongheaded laws off the books instead of just throwing more of them out there? Maybe a bureaucracy that became useless that the government shut down? No. The government gets bigger and more intrusive. That is not a crazy conspiracy. It is just the facts. That is what the US government dose. It is what all governments do till threatened by their own people.

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