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Plasma Device Kills Bacteria On Skin In Seconds
Ponca City, We love you writes "In medicine, plasma, the fourth state of matter, is already used for sterilizing surgical instruments; plasma works at the atomic level and is able to reach all surfaces, even the interior of hollow needle ends. Now the BBC reports that researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics have demonstrated a plasma device that can rid hands, feet, or even underarms of bacteria, including the hospital superbug MRSA, by creating cold atmospheric plasma that produces a cocktail of chemicals that kills bacteria but is harmless to skin. 'The plasma produces a series of over 200 chemical reactions that involve the oxygen and nitrogen in air plus water vapor — there is a whole concoction of chemical species that can be lethal to bacteria,' says Gregor Morfill. 'It's actually similar to what our own immune system does.' The team says that an exposure to the plasma of only about 12 seconds reduces the incidence of bacteria, viruses, and fungi on hands by a factor of a million — a number that stands in sharp contrast to the several minutes hospital staff can take to wash using traditional soap and water. Morfill says that the approach can be used to kill the bacteria that lead to everything from gum disease to body odor and that the prototype is scalable to any size and can be produced in any shape."
But I find it interesting that according to ancient alchemy there were four "elements" (fire, water, earth, and air), and according to modern science there are four "states of matter" (plasma, liquid, solid, and gaseous).
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Do you remember the article on /. about how excessive cleanliness isn't all that good for you? Yeah...
So how long until we see bacteria resistant to this device?
Good one.
I want a plasma bathtub
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...bacteria, I knew thee well...
As a nurse I would welcome this as I have to wash and disinfect my hands several times a day.
When does it come in gift size?
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I thought a lot of the bacteria in and on humans were good ones, which are required to be fit and healthy and function properly. What happens to those?
Whereas an autoclave, which sterilizes using heat, only works on the proton, quark, and meringue pie levels?
There was a scene on Babylon 5 where Sheridan and Garibaldi are killing time in a public restroom waiting for someone to leave (yeah, a Sci-Fi show that admits people go to the bathroom!), and Sheridan is shown "washing" his hands under what appears to be a disinfecting device...
Funny how you can often find references in fiction to things that later become reality...
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Washing hands is partly about physical scrubbing, which loosens things on the surface. How is this plasma going to replace that?
The big question is, how soon can we turn this into some sort of weapon?
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this belongs on the science equivalent of www.thedailywtf.com
plasma = uncontrolled mix of highly reactive chemicals
highly reactive chemicals = damage to skin at some level
thus we have that old item, the therapeutic index roughy ratio of harm to good
however,
highly reactive chemcials = bugs getting resistant
how ? learning to live deeper in the skin (bad for you)
learning to make enzymes that deto the highly reactive chemicals (radical quenchers like SOD)
learning to elaborte low molecular weight or high molecular weight (biofilm) molecules that sop up the highly reactive chemicals, so it takes a much higher conc of plasma
PS: MRSA is actually a :"feeble" bug - we know this because there have been many, very carefull studies that compare patients with MRSA to patients with MSSA (methicillin sensitive S Aureus)
The finding is that petients who get MRSA infections are sicker then patients who get MSSA infections.
To my mind, this means that the genetic changes that make S aureus resistant also make the bug less healthy in general, so it has a difficult time getting established in th blood or in the joints or urinary tract.
And this is consistant with what is known (alot) about the gene mecA and how it acts.
also, there are new antibiotics approved in canada and switzerland that are active against mrsa - ceftobiprole
Don't know about you kid, but a doc sticking his hand into my insides is one of those situations where I'm willing to forego the 'benefit' of having my immune system stimulated by germs being introduced in the process and ask him to wash up.
A surgeon sticking his hand into your insides is wearing a sterile-packaged glove.
The OP has a valid concern- both because skin has bacteria on it normally which is beneficial, and because our immune systems needs exposure to baddies to keep working properly.
Fun related fact: infection control became MORE of a problem when gloves were introduced. Something about the doctor or nurse or surgeon really wanting to be clean after getting your bodily fluids all over their hands.
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So was phenol, for that matter. If it kills bacteria in 12 seconds, it's "not nice stuff". Oh yeah maybe the keratin on your skin will prevent it from penetrating. What if it gets in your sweat glands. What if your skin has a lesion, and the keratin is interrupted...
This one gets filed in the "call me when we've been using it safely for 20 years" category. Until then I will stick to soap and water.
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Plasma Device Kills ... Skin In Seconds
Sorry, but I always read it as this. And TFS is just a big bunch of white noise after this...
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As a nurse I would welcome this as I have to wash and disinfect my hands several times a day.
As a nurse, I'd hope you would remember the same lecture on hand-washing I got when I started working for a hospital. Namely, that your nails are equally if not more important. What does this do for dirt under nails? Uh huh.
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There are two kinds of people: 1) those who start arrays with one and 1) those who start them with zero.
This eradicates the germs, they aren't being poisoned or having their chemical processes blocked (which is what most antibiotics do), it's ripping the germs apart at the atomic level. You don't develop a resistance to that.
I'm sure similar thoughts were said about radiation, bleach, alcohol, and autoclaves. Turns out there are various critters resistant or immune to each.
However, if this manages to blow away prions (which aren't zapped by a number of things, including normal autoclaves), it'll be great news.
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I am not sure, but I always thought as "amorphous" was the 4th state of the matter. Despite I don't have an academic/scientific paper on hand to solidify this, it's at least something to look at. Amorphous matherials, window glass (as an example) are not exactly solid... Anyways... worst than science only religion.
Enterprise crew were removing bacteria, skin, and everything else in seconds with plasma (phasers) in 1966!
The Max Planck Institute has a Web page that tells us who he is. Below is a quote from his resume.
"Born on July 23, 1945 in Oberhausen. Study of physics, doctorate Imperial College of Science and Technology (1971), German Habilitation in physics Heidelberg Univ. (1977), Director and Scientific Member at the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics (since 1984)."
Below is a list of his awards.
Patten Prize of Indiana University
Science Award of the Donors' Association for the Promotion of Sciences and Humanites in Germany
Honorary Professor Univ. of Arizona, Tucson
Honorary Doctor Technical Univ. Berlin
Honorary Professor Univ. of Leeds, England
Foreign Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences
Dr. Morfill must be a brilliant scholar as the Russian Academy of Sciences rarely grants membership to scientists who are not Russian citizens.
Here is an interesting question. Why have Germans (like Dr. Morfill) accomplished so much in science and technology? Does culture, genetics, or a combination (of both) explain their scientific prowess? Note that Albert Einstein is a German (with a Jewish heritage).
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zap that zit away
BBC reports that researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics have demonstrated a plasma device that can rid hands, feet, or even underarms of bacteria, including the hospital superbug MRSA
Don't taz me Bro!!!
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I'm sure similar thoughts were said about radiation, bleach, alcohol, and autoclaves. Turns out there are various critters resistant or immune to each.
None of which are harmful to us. They had to become so different in order to survive those things that our bodies no longer make a good habitat for them.
sounds similar to ultraviolet sterilization.
Lincoln and Kennedy both had 7 letters in their last names. Both were assassinated.
okay, it's a little closer than that:
four "elements" (fire, water, earth, and air), and according to modern science there are four "states of matter" (plasma, liquid, solid, and gaseous).
fire->plasma: mix of energy & matter
water->liquid: instance->class
earth->solid: instance->class
air->gas: instance->class
So, the OP isn't just saying "OOOO!!! LOOOOKZ! THEY BOTH HITZ TEH SAME NUMBR!", they might be trying to point out that the traditional four elements are just the most basic examples of the four root 'qualities' that were observed in matter. The earth/air/fire/water set are a convenient way of pointing to those observed qualities; the states of matter are a more subtle, elemental way of speaking about those qualities.
I'll sell my stock in hand-sanitizing gel manufacturers on Monday.
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How about testing it on ppl with Psoriasis? This is suppose to be a genetic disease in the same fashion that all of the duodenal ulcers were called that we suddenly soaring in count. Oddly, all of the drug companies claimed it was genetic and came up with all sorts of drugs to solve the symptoms, but not the problem.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I would not classify prions as non-harmful.
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Like a poster before me, I'm all about getting one in a toothbrush. I could definitely take 12 seconds to clean off my teeth, rather than the "Five minutes for top teeth, fiver for bottom" that my dentist tells me to do.
Uhuh. And where does non-baryonic matter fit in?
Just saying. Hospitals use it for door handles and other surfaces because it can zap superbugs. But hey, it's way cooler to pass your hands into some sort of holding tank where they can be spritzed with some sort of crazy atmospheric plasma.
Or living, or capable of reproducing independently.
Prions did not evolve due to anti-bacterial action. I doubt the term evolve even applies to prions.
Besides that, prions are hardly indestructable, it's just that the consequences of missing even one molecule can be terrible.
Don't worry. Taz hate plasma.
has anyone asked for a plasma screwdriver yet?
The sonic shower. I guess it will be a plasma sink first though.
When I read articles like this, I can't help but reflect on how radiation was the "in thing", and products featuring it were ubiquitous, and lots of people got sick and died. Centuries before, the same problem existed with mercury.
I'm concerned about the possibility, however remote, that plasma-based technology is not truly harmless and could come back to bite us in the rear in a few years.
check this out, http://www.rife.org/ this man had been doing this long ago
That's the fifth element.
to be continued
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