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ISS Can Now Watch Sea Traffic From Space

gyrogeerloose writes "During its last mission, astronauts from the Space Shuttle Atlantis installed an Automatic Identification System antenna on the outside of the International Space Station that will allow astronauts aboard the ISS to monitor signals from the AIS transmitters mandated to be installed on most large ocean-going craft. Although these VHF signals can be monitored from the Earth's surface, their horizontal range is generally limited to about 75 km (46 mi), leaving large areas of the ocean unwatched. However, the signals easily reach the 400 km (250 mi) orbit of the ISS. The European Space Agency sees this experiment as a test platform for a future AIS-monitoring fleet of satellites that will eventually provide worldwide coverage of sea traffic."

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  1. Crap by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Funny

    How long before I get pulled over for speeding in the trade lanes?

    1. Re:Crap by camperslo · · Score: 1

      Not crap!

      Think of what fun it'd be using lasers to blast pirates!

    2. Re:Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Speed Limit Enforced By Spacecraft."

      I can't wait to see the icon on the sign. ... not to mention the defense attorneys going for the relativistic measurement argument. "Your Honor, we would like to question the prosecution's derivation of gamma."

    3. Re:Crap by physburn · · Score: 1
      Hopefully an international treaty which would let any government police sea traffic for speed will never happen. Meantime the space antenna can help prevent collisions by setting a sea traffic control, with an early warning system for ships that get to close, it needn't be that quick, oil tankers and stopped times of the order an hour!

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  2. Where else... by skine · · Score: 1

    Where else would they be watching sea traffic from?

    1. Re:Where else... by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Where else would they be watching sea traffic from?

      Satellite? Maybe they are trying to find a way to justify the boondoggle ISS.

    2. Re:Where else... by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 1

      Outer space.

    3. Re:Where else... by lepidosteus · · Score: 1

      He was obviouslyreferring to the title
      ISS Can Now Watch Sea Traffic From Space

    4. Re:Where else... by Winkhorst · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're already watching sea traffic from space. What this does is allow them to quickly remove "legitimate" traffic from the database so they can focus on traffic that's antithetical to the Empire.

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    5. Re:Where else... by Jared555 · · Score: 1

      A reason other than 'justifying' the space station would be that it is likely a lot cheaper to run a test like this on the ISS than to launch one or more test satellites that each require their own power systems, etc.

    6. Re:Where else... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I'm skeptical. Perhaps quicker set-up turnaround, but not necessarily cheaper.

    7. Re:Where else... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it depends on how you do your accounting...

      Obviously, it's more expensive to put a space station in orbit in order to test a transmitter. The idea behind ISS, though, is that we pay for it to be up there so that we can put experiments into orbit without building all of the necessary hardware for a satellite. It makes it cheaper for groups wishing to do experiments in orbit because the rest of us subsidize the orbital hardware (ie, the ISS). Because we must supply the ISS, we also subsidize getting the experiments up to the ISS (eg, We need to ship 1000 pounds of food, our rocket will carry 1500 pounds, so we've got 500 pounds that we can fill up with experiments). Because we have to bring things back from ISS (people mostly), we'll carry experiments back to Earth.

      So when you include all those in your calculations, the ISS is much more expensive than launching a satellite. However, if you were doing the experiment, it's much cheaper to have the ISS (because governments have already spent the money on the platform and getting stuff up there and back). This, in theory, encourages researchers to consider these experiments because it's cheaper for them.

    8. Re:Where else... by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      "The Empire" being every shipping company and country _in the world_ of course.

    9. Re:Where else... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The cost to put a certain weight into orbit is roughly the same regardless of payload. If it's a small payload, then usually it's batched with other objects, such as other satellites because it's cheaper to manage the launch of multiple things instead of one. The overhead of life-support and human safety systems on ISS is also a cost factor that should be considered.

  3. Re:Innocuous Uses by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    What about tracking somali pirates? Or take photos of the big bad cthuluish beast that eat ships at Bermuda Triangle. All will depend on what they are that day

  4. Re:Innocuous Uses by lepidosteus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, because pirates always follow regulation and install a AIS transmitters in their "large ocean-going craft"

  5. Tracking coastal AIS vessels by Snowblindeye · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are several websites that show at least coastal traffic of all AIS equipped vessels. I like http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

  6. When big brother comes... by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 3, Funny

    He is gonna be HUGE.

  7. Coverage map by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the map of existing coverage. The continental US, Europe, and Japan, have full coastal coverage. The port coasts of China and Australia are covered. Beyond that, not so much.

    This isn't a safety system. It's for traffic and port management. Vessels show up in the system around the time when ports need to start thinking about where to put them.

    1. Re:Coverage map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But with some well-placed space-based antennas, it could become a bit of a safety system too.

    2. Re:Coverage map by enosys · · Score: 2, Informative
      Inaccurate.

      That's just the coverage available on one particular website. (Other sites can have different data sources and different coverage.) Also, those rectangles just mean that there is some coverage within the rectangle. (Often, coverage is available around larger cities and a lot of the area is not covered.)

      Furthermore, AIS is sometimes used for collision avoidance, so it is used for safety.

    3. Re:Coverage map by DavidKlemke · · Score: 1

      AIS data is also used for things like oil spills and search and rescue. When I used to work for the Australian Maritime Safety Authority we had a couple incidents where the AIS data was used to reconstruct the events leading up to the disaster (such as the pacific adventurer one earlier this year). They also use it to track any vessels going near the Great Barrier Reef without having a qualified pilot on board (basically someone who knows their way around the reef) so the vessel doesn't crash into anything.

      I can't speak for other countries though, but in Australia we're definitely using AIS data as part of our safety programs.

  8. No surprise really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a pretty common and extremely cheap sensor to put in space. Multiple tiny satellites have demonstrated the utility of an AIS sensor in space.

    In space these are mainly used to track ships who might be up to no good on open water. Also you can fuse the data with radar satellite wake detection, any detected ship with their signal turned off also might be up to no good. Canada is doing just this with M3MSat and Radarsat-2

    1. Re:No surprise really by anethema · · Score: 1

      Why would a ship 'up to no good' be broadcasting AIS ? And wake detection to see if someone is up to no good doesn't seem any good either since anything under a certain size isn't even required to transmit AIS in the first place.

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  9. Hmmm...this is coming.. by mace9984 · · Score: 1

    Insert obligatory foil hat quip here.

  10. I'm pissed by exsequor · · Score: 2, Funny

    This completely screws up my plans to grow cannabis on my yacht...

  11. Why ISS? by photonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone knows what are the advantages of using ISS for this kind of test? I would be interested to see what it costs to send such an antenna up with the shuttle, test that it does not interfere with the rest of the station and train an astronaut to fix it to the exterior, versus just slapping it as secondary payload on some other satellite or even some dedicated micro-satellite that is piggybacking on the launch of a bigger one.

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    1. Re:Why ISS? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Only if they're also piggybacking on equipment as well. Man-rated launch vehicles are expensive. The thing that might be cheap is the bandwidth to send a file full of instructions.

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    2. Re:Why ISS? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They we're going there anyway? In essence, they *are* just piggybacking on a bigger launch (the shuttle's primary mission). Your only cost is the EVA time, cost of the device/antenna, and the additional weight for launch.

    3. Re:Why ISS? by GPSguy · · Score: 1

      It's not cheap but the development lifecycle could well be shorter than for a secondary on an unmanned spacecraft. And, since it's VHF, I guess there's an outside chance that, instead of a dedicated antenna (which wouldn't be too hard) they could have piggybacked on the new (or the remaining old) ARISS antenna.

      Packets in space isn't new by a long-shot and tracking in space isn't, really, either.

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  12. Uses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So is this going to be used to find the best spot to crash ISS 2 years after it is completed, just in the unlikely chance that large parts reach the ground?

  13. Re:Get to the point. by Sheen · · Score: 4, Funny

    When your kids, in their rubber big sea going rubber toy rafts, see pirates / pedophiles, they can press the dolphin button, and get directly connected to an officer with the coast guard.

  14. Re:Innocuous Uses by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Really? Sure it's not the lack of any cohesive, effective government that can enforce its own territorial waters in order to keep vessels flagged under neighboring states from fishing in their waters? It is estimated that $300 million worth of fish are illegally caught in Somali territorial waters each year.

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  15. Re:Innocuous Uses by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, because pirates always follow regulation and install a AIS transmitters in their "large ocean-going craft"

    For all of the same reasons that criminals who are willing to commit murder will always follow gun-control laws. Oh, wait...

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  16. Re:Innocuous Uses by icegreentea · · Score: 1

    If you were going to go do smuggling into Cuba or whatever, you would just turn off your damn AIS transponder. Won't do shit for the radar sweeps they do. But then again, only you Americans keep this embargo up. Ship full of Canadians go near Cuba? Big deal.

  17. Re:Innocuous Uses by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're absolutely correct that the mujahedeen (or however you spell that) in Afghanistan were bankrolled and given weapons by the CIA, and bin Laden's contacts within that organization became al Qaeda, and so the West definitely deserves some blame for that. However, there's no particular reason to believe that the CIA had any ongoing interest in any of them once the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. There's certainly no evidence and no reason to believe that they actually helped plan or carry out 9/11.

    The major problem with the idea that the US government had anything to do with 9/11 is that there's no credible evidence of it and there's no reason to believe their assistance would have been required to carry it out. At the heart of it, the 9/11 attack was supremely unsophisticated. All the hijackers needed was some box cutters and plane tickets, and training to fly a plane. All of these things are widely available, and anybody could have done it. The fact is, it's quite easy to believe some dude in a cave could have planned and carried it out, especially when that dude in a cave happens to be as wealthy as Osama bin Laden, heir to the bin Laden construction fortune.

    I know none of that is convincing to conspiracy buffs, but the fact is a perfectly simple and plausible explanation for the event exists that requires no massive conspiracies: a highly motivated group of people did something that anyone could have done with a little time and a few thousand dollars.

  18. Re:Innocuous Uses by peragrin · · Score: 1

    Damn straight as an american where do you think i get my cuban cigars from? 20 miles from my home is a nice smoke shop in canada.

    the big trick is to not be suspicious enough to draw attention of the border guard. Of course you can always travel by boat, and use a "video terminal" to check in with the border guard. It isn't like they can detain you that way. As long as you don't move large object of materials, or more than a couple of people it is a very porous border.

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  19. The orbit? by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ISS operates at a relatively low orbit, even for LEO... for example the Iridium constellation is about twice the ISS' altitude (760km vs 350km). They'd have to find a mission that's within the 400km range of the system, and that has room and power to spare.

  20. Re:Innocuous Uses by Ironsides · · Score: 1

    It's a lot of things, including foreign intervention in local politics by, dare I say it, the CIA and other western intelligence agencies.

    Source?

    And do you really think any kind of local authority beyond that of an Israeli military state could defend their territorial waters against a Chinese ship dumping nuclear waste?

    Well, the Somalia Pirates have hijaked a Chinese ship before. source

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  21. Re:Innocuous Uses by RobVB · · Score: 1
    I'm pretty sure most smuggling between Cuba and the US is done on small yachts that don't even have AIS. From this page:

    IMO has made carriage of AIS mandatory in the recently revised SOLAS chapter V, for all new ships over 300 GRT, from July 1, 2002, and existing ships to follow in a tight schedule there after (see attached).

    If you want to work out exactly how big a 300 GRT yacht would be, check out this Wikipedia page.

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  22. Re:Innocuous Uses by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Conspiracy is comforting.

    It makes the believer able to not only make sense of the world, but feel religiously exalted by their special insight which elevates them above the herd. Conspiracy is much less frightening to the simple mind than an uncertain world.

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  23. More on Space based AIS by goatbar · · Score: 1
    AIS on the IIS is amusing, but not all that helpful. SpaceQuest, ORBCOMM, and COM DEV all have space based AIS systems up...
    1. Re:More on Space based AIS by AikonMGB · · Score: 1

      AIS on the IIS is amusing, but not all that helpful. SpaceQuest, ORBCOMM, and COM DEV all have space based AIS systems up...

      Specifically, COM DEV has CanX-6 (also known as NTS, or Nanosatellite Tracking Ships) which has been operating on orbit for over a year now. NTS is much smaller than the ISS too, measuring in at 6.5 kg for a 20 cm x 20 cm x 20 cm cube. NTS went from bar-napkin concept to launch in just 7 months.

      The UTIAS Space Flight Laboratory (the organization that designed and built NTS for COM DEV) is also working on a Norwegian satellite called AISSat-1 that is due to launch in the coming months. While the same size and roughly the same mass as NTS, AISSat-1 will offer two significant improvements -- on-board AIS signal decoding and verification, and full three-axis stabilization and control.

      -Aikon

  24. Re:Innocuous Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let me translate "Source?" for you, Winkhorst.

    It means "I don't believe a word of your crap, back it up with evidence, or shut up".

    Get it? Its a challenge.

  25. Re:Innocuous Uses by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Kinda like religion......

  26. Re:Innocuous Uses by DougF · · Score: 1

    I submit that upon thoroughly investigating the 9/11 evidence from both the official theory and multiple alternative theories...

    It's been done, by numerous independent agencies, organizations, etc. They've all proved the conspiracy theories to be so much wishful thinking. If you can't figure out what a "duck" is after all the testimony, tests, and evidence presented, you will never be convinced, so neither I nor anyone could possibly present sufficient evidence or argument that would convince you differently. Frankly, the issue IS settled, only you want a few more minutes in the limelight and so refuse to accept the truth. THERE WAS, AND IS, NO CONSPIRACY, PERIOD.

    Personally, I find your idea that MY government would even contemplate such actions to be reprehensible and a disservice to those who perished on the aircraft and in the towers that day, their families, and the men and women of our armed forces who are fighting the perpetrators in Afghanistan and other places throughout the world.

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  27. Recycling urine, sweat, and bongwater by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    Well I think we've seen by now that the astronauts aboard the ISS would be cool with it.

  28. Next financial Crash by kramulous · · Score: 1

    Cool ... use it to predict the next financial crash.

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  29. Re:Innocuous Uses by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

    OT, I know, but doesn't your theory require mods to be performed on all 220 floors and set off in a perfect sequence? And why start the sequence right where the planes hit? Why not start at floor 109 and continue to the bottom?

    I ask, because it looks like the top of at least one of the buildings came down in a chunk that starts right where the airplane hit. Did they screw up the timing on the thermite? Why didn't that top part stay intact and reveal the unfired thermite pots to the world?

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  30. Re:Innocuous Uses by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

    Oh crap! I think I just figured it out!

    The week before 9/11 a team of Mideast termite specialists came in to treat every floor, but really they were thermite specialists!

    It was a conspiracy!

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  31. Re:Innocuous Uses by Winkhorst · · Score: 1

    There's lots of evidence. You're just too lazy or too stupid to look it up.

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  32. Re:Innocuous Uses by Winkhorst · · Score: 1

    They don't call you guys anonymous cowards for nothing.

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  33. Very similar to Ham Radio APRS (one feature of it) by aberson · · Score: 1

    This is really cool -- Ham radio has been doing almost exactly this for years.

    A ground station with nothing more than a 5 Watt handheld VHF transmitter and a regular 19" long antenna can send a position report and message via a number of satellites, including the International Space Station, using a protocol called APRS. As these are low-earth orbit satellites, you generally only have a few minutes window with each pass, but it's not terribly hard to do and there are a few satellites to potentially catch position data even if you don't get every pass.

  34. Re:Very similar to Ham Radio APRS (one feature of by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I've played with a GPS unit hooked up to my 2 meter mobile rig doing just that. It's cool, although in the end I decided it didn't really do enough for me to justify the hassle since it's sort of a kludge on the IC-2200H.

    KJ6BSO

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  35. Re:Innocuous Uses by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Looking over your posts, I can only summarize with this... yeah, hiding behind a username is still "anonymous" enough (I don't know who you are, where you live, or what your facebook is...)

  36. Re:Innocuous Uses by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    How do you explain the thermite residue that was found after scientific analysis of the steel beams was performed? That's not something that a fuel-air bomb based on jet fuel could produce.

    I make thermite all the time, though not for burning; it's a side effect of a metal restoration process I use, with common household items (aluminum foil). A little aluminum and some iron oxide. The beams would have had some oxidization, and the airplane would have had aluminum. Thermite remains tend to be unburned (yeah, right) Al + Fe-oxides or burned Al2O3 + Fe, or Al2O3 + Fe-oxides (it does re-oxidize later). Thermite is an incredibly simple compound and the stuff it leaves behind is incredibly common and prone to group together when present.

    Or the fact that other skyscrapers of similar steel-and-concrete construction have caught fire for days straight without collapsing, yet the Trade Center burned for a matter of hours and neatly imploded (including a building that was never struck by any aircraft).

    The fire here was a very, very hot kerosene fueled fire. In case you've never experienced it, kerosene fuel burns hotter than gasoline or burning rugs or alcohol. Gasoline burns 30% hotter than alcohol, while diesel fuel oil burns 17% hotter than gasoline, and kerosene somewhat hotter than that. To complicate the matter, earlier construction used a higher grade thermal proofing wall; the higher floors used a low grade fire barrier that couldn't take the heat very well, although I suspect even Asbestos would have only lasted a few hours longer, if that.

    Eventually the center support beam softened under thermal stress and buckled under the stress of holding up that ass-heavy steel-and-concrete roof. The shockwave was impressive; a good 7 buildings fell from 2 impacts IIRC.