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Linux Reaches 32% Netbook Market Share

christian.einfeldt writes "Linux netbooks have captured 32% of the global netbook market, says Jeff Orr, an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research. The largest share of netbook sales is in the Asia-Pacific region, including Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, according to Orr. ABI's latest figures align with a statement by Dell executives in February of this year, to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about 33% of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks. These data points cast doubt on claims by Microsoft that Windows XP has captured 98% of the netbook market (a figure Microsoft later revised to 93%). In an interview with DesktopLinux.com, Orr made clear that the 32% Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems, but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipments."

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  1. Oblig Simpson Quote by ZiakII · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that.

    1. Re:Oblig Simpson Quote by skine · · Score: 4, Funny

      Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!

    2. Re:Oblig Simpson Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?

    3. Re:Oblig Simpson Quote by JohnBailey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?

      So insecure Windows fanboys can feel better about themselves..

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  2. A view from Asia-Pacific by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in Australia, and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops. They are available, but mostly from the more specialist retailers. Even then they only have very low specs.

    I just got back from Singapore, where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference. Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff, but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows. There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux, and they were not cheap. They also seemed to be older models. I was disappointed.

    That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks. If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is. Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast.

    1. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Go to Officeworks, still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based. When the lovely sales assistant starts telling you about the evils of Linux, assure him you know what you're doing and head to the counter.

      Even then they only have very low specs.

      That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.

      Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.

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    2. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is. Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast.

      I just don't want to put money in Microsoft's pocket for an OS that I have no intention of using. That would mean caving in to the worst kind of abusive monopoly.

    3. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Huh? That's weird...I also live in Australia and was going to post that I'm not surprised that APAC seems to be a successful market for these Linux netbooks. The Linux netbooks are displayed quite prominently (along with the Windows ones of course) in quite a few retailer. JB Hifi springs to mind ... the one near my place has the linux netbooks right there on the ends of the aisle ... actually ~more~ prominently placed than the Windows ones now that I think about it.

      Must be one of those things that varies depending on the particular store and demographic. The area I live in is quite 'young and techy' so perhaps the Linux netbooks do well here compared to other places in Australia.

    4. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by GlassHeart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?

      For now, physics. Small form factor means small battery, which means the CPU can't be too power hungry.

    5. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by Mr.+DOS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?

      Microsoft. Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec. I think there may be some restriction on Windows 7 Starter Edition as well.

      I know the conversation is "who needs Windows on netbooks?", but it's still at 68% :P

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    6. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's the point. He can't choose what operating system he wants to have without jumping through hoops. He is being responsible and jumping through those hoops in an effort to change the current system - which is a very responsible thing to do, as propagating the current system when you disagree with it is laziness.

    7. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Netbooks are simply small computers.

      There is small, cheap and powerful.

      You can only pick two. Netbooks are small and cheap, if you want small and powerful then you aren't looking for a netbook.

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    8. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by hweimer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks. If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is.

      Not quite true. If it comes with some variant of Linux preinstalled then you know that all hardware components will work right out of the box, even if you install a different distro. No hassle with obscure drivers or poorly supported devices like the much-dreaded winmodems.

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    9. Re:A view from Asia-Pacific by MrMr · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you don't like to upset anyone, you must have a hell of a time introducing yourself mr. Lands.

  3. Whilst I'd love this to be true ... by baileydau · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here in Australia you are quite hard pressed to purchase a netbook with Linux pre-installed.

    I got my original eeePC 701 with Linux, but my newer S101 *had* to come with Windows. At the time the only machine I could find with Linux was a single Acer Aspire One unit. However my wife had her heart set on the S101 ...

    It now has openSUSE (currently 11.2) installed and everything Just Worked (TM), but that wouldn't be included in anyone's statistics (except mine).

    Speaking of statistics, I RTFM, and I couldn't actually see where / how they came up with this statistic. Did I miss something??

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  4. I'm having trouble with this number. by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've tried and I've tried to find an Athlon Neo system WITHOUT Windows and I flat can't do it. Sure, a lot of the Intel ones have Linux, but even most of those have Windows on them. Seriously, if I can't find an Athlon Neo system without Windows it's not telling me people want to buy the Linux versions, it's telling me they "settle" for Linux, and I don't like that.

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  5. I wonder if many install Windows themselves by RichardDeVries · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful. Wifi, sound didn't work out of the box, you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP's to download and install, reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps. Some things were hard to get working (Radeon driver installer throwing errors, Wifi driver refusing to work).
    I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.

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    1. Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves by RichardDeVries · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Presumably 7 would be more manageable for common users to install on recent hardware than an OS that's eight years old.

      If true (and I think it is), great! Still, why isn't there any research on this? If I were a netbook manufacturer, Microsoft, Apple or Mark Shuttleworth I would be VERY interested to learn how many of those who purchased my computer or OS are sticking with the default setup. Win7 might be easier to install, but I still don't see my dad buying or pirating a Windows disk and installing it himself. Do netbook buyers give Ubuntu a try before changing to Windows? What makes them decide to keep or ditch it?

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    2. Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful.

      I totally agree with this. I have done a number of installations on hardware that pre-dated XP-SP3 using an XP disk with SP3 streamed in. Lots of hardware is not supported. I have even come across a laptop where the standard sound driver from the chipset manufacturer will work -- as long as you don't want to use the built-in speakers. The last install I did left me with a system with no working NICs. I ended up booting into Linux so that I could download the Windows network drivers onto the system.

      After installing XP, you then have to install some applications, update it multiple times to get all the updates. Most Linux installs are way easier.

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    3. Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves by RichardDeVries · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Thanks for calling me a troll and the people who modded me uninformed. I think what caused the 'insightful' was:

      I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.

      I didn't say that installing Linux was easy. It's painful as well, and when something doesn't work, you usually have a BIG problem that's not solved by installing a few drivers. I know that. Still, I'd expect the commercial OS'es to have better install routines. Commenters above you tell me Windows has improved in that regard since XP and I believe them. On the other hand, I'm very impressed with e.g. Ubuntu. I've installed it on a couple of very different systems and It Just Works (R, TM etc.) most of the time. That wouldn't impress me if it was a Redmond OS, but it does when it's a community effort. The same feeling causes me to be a bit more forgiving when it comes to installing a Linux distro.
      By the way, saying "tweaking and recompiling everything" sound like trolling to me.

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  6. Re:Oh really? by HeadSoft · · Score: 3, Informative

    Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Mixcraft, Tracktion, Reaper, etc., and doesn't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work.

    If you mention Audacity, that shows how little you know about serious audio work, or how your audio editing needs are of elementary quality.

    I run FL Studio 9 in Wine and it works fine. Perhaps you could get Pro Tools, Cubase, etc. working this way as well, and spend the extra $100 you saved on new gear for your studio.

  7. Re:Oh really? by Mprx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ardour is the only Free software DAW suitable for any serious work. It uses JACK, which is an excellent low-latency audio routing system, but actual audio playback on Linux depends on the ALSA backend, which varies in quality depending on your hardware. Check the Alsa SoundCard Matrix for details. Recent Linux kernels have reasonably low latency by default, but for very tight latency requirements you might need a custom kernel configuration or patches.

  8. Re:Oh really? by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And you think that lack of a professional audio workstation proves that Linux isn't ready for the desktop? If so, I've got some late-breaking news for you: only a vanishingly small percentage of computer users need something like that. I'm sure that if enough people needed something like that there'd be a developer working on it.

    I can't count how many times I've seen opposition to Linux from short-sighted, narrow-minded people like you who think that their tiny little niche is the be-all and end-all of computers and any OS that doesn't revolve around whatever specialist program they need is out and out trash.

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  9. interesting they would pick the dell mini 9... Arr by bombastinator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny that their favorite computer is the Dell Mini 9. It's not a very advanced machine, to the point that it een got discontinued once.
    They brought it back though because it is very popular for the single reason that it has a reputation as being the most hackintoshable netbook there is. This implies that a lot of these netbooks are running more MacOS than linux.

  10. Re:This Just In: by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my case it's not paying the money, it's who the money goes to. I don't want Microsoft taxing computers - it's philosophical.

    Another reason I want to find a system with Linux pre-installed is when I wipe it and put my distro of choice on there, if it was sold with Linux chances are I can make all of it work with Linux. There's still a lot of crappy software based hardware out there that practically requires Windows to work, or requires so much effort and maintenance to work/keep working in Linux it's not worth messing with.

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  11. My experiences by GF678 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some people say "Yay! Linux on netbooks means more mainstream acceptance!" From what I've seen however, this isn't the case. Linux netbooks, from what I've encountered, are

    * Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)
    * Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches
    * Often simply not available

    With this being the current situation, I don't see there being anything to be proud of. Yes, it's better than several years ago when Linux wasn't available anywhere mainstream. That doesn't mean things are going well either.

  12. Re:What KIND of Linux? by Gudeldar · · Score: 4, Informative
    I realize I'm posing on Slashdot but I thought we at least read TFS here.

    In an interview with DesktopLinux.com, Orr made clear that the 32% Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems, but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipments

    Just to clarify in case that isn't clear it DOES NOT include pre/fast boot installs (which would be dual boot systems).

  13. Re:Oh really? by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Funny

    Windows: Because a Netbook was made for running Cubase!

    That giggling sound is the average Windows laughing at you. Although they aren't sure why they're laughing because they don't really know what you're talking about.

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  14. Re:Oh really? by featurelesscube · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm so tired of hearing this 'no professional level music tools on linux' rubbish. Try Ardour. You can even use VST plugins if you really want to (though I wouldn't, too many are rubbish). I've been a recording engineer for close to twenty years and I find the only barrier I have to using it professionally is uninformed bigotry from ProTools users who regard themselves as the centre of the universe. Also, if it taking you DAYS to get jack working, you are definitely doing it wrong or your computer is from Mars.

  15. Re:Put me down for 2 netbooks upgraded to linux. by sc0ob5 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes but if he "owns" it is it illegal to download it?

    Serious question..

  16. Re:Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan by Idou · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have seen the Netwalker from Sharp at every major electronics store that I have gone to in Tokyo recently (http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/). It exclusively runs Ubuntu and is one of the smallest and cheapest netbooks you can get in a store.

    Then there is always the Dell website. You can get even cheaper mini 10s from there. I have purchased 2 such machines for friends and family as return gifts (Okaeshi). Doubt either know they are running Linux, but they are plenty happy to have a convenient webbrowsing/Skyping machine.

    I would say there is quite a bit of activity recently in this space in Japan, if you know where to look.

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  17. Re:Oh really? by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its been said before, and Ill say it again-- Wine Is Not an Emulator. And its not just a tagline-- many things run near- or better-than- native speed-- I had World of Warcraft running on a dualboot, vista / ubuntu system. The vista system got 1/2 the FPS in directx mode than ubuntu, reading off of an NTFS partition using OpenGL and Wine.

    In case thats not clear-- Vista, running its native graphics API on its native filesystem type, got 1/2 the FPS of a linux distro using the "secondary" API, a non-native filesystem, and so-called "emulation".