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Ads To Offset Cost of Unlocked Google Phone?

CWmike writes "Google isn't talking publicly about reported plans to sell a powerful Android-based smartphone called the Nexus One directly to consumers next year, but the idea is already raising eyebrows with analysts. The chief concern is that selling an unlocked phone directly to consumers, probably online, could be twice as expensive as buying one through a carrier. The unlocked approach has largely failed in the US, with the world's biggest phone manufacturer, Nokia, doing poorly with the concept. Nokia recently announced that its two direct-sales stores in Chicago and New York will close early next year, while online sales of unlocked devices will continue. Conceivably, Google could offer its phone at a price comparable to a subsidized phone from a carrier — as long as customers agree to receive mobile ads on the devices. Since advertising is central to Google's revenue model, that approach might make some sense, analysts said. 'Google doesn't want to be in the phone business or the mobile carrier business, so this must be about something else, and that's the advertising business, since Google is in the business of selling ads,' said Kevin Burden, an analyst at ABI Research. In one mobile advertising model being tested in Germany, users agree to receive a certain number of ads on their phones to reduce their monthly cellular and texting rates, although reducing the up-front cost of the actual device is relatively novel. Reinforcing the idea of using mobile advertising with direct sales of unlocked phones, Google bought AdMob in November."

161 comments

  1. No No No No!!!! by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I am sick of everything trying to sell me things all the fucking time. STOP!

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    1. Re:No No No No!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am sick of everything trying to sell me things all the fucking time. STOP!

      I understand and I sympathize with you. That's why I'm here to offer you an amazing ad blocking technology for the low low price of $19.95.

    2. Re:No No No No!!!! by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

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    3. Re:No No No No!!!! by sakdoctor · · Score: 1

      You're in a minority group, mostly consisting of /.ers
      The market has spoken, and it wants maximum fr33 st00f pl0x, subsidised by wasting time viewing ads.

    4. Re:No No No No!!!! by FSWKU · · Score: 1

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    5. Re:No No No No!!!! by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      then don't buy it.
      Pretty simple, eh?

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    6. Re:No No No No!!!! by elrous0 · · Score: 0

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    7. Re:No No No No!!!! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I understand and I sympathize with you. That's why I'm here to offer you an amazing ad blocking technology for the low low price of $19.95.

      Do you also happen to offer anything ABSOLUTELY FREE with that?

    8. Re:No No No No!!!! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Do you also happen to offer anything ABSOLUTELY FREE with that?

      Yes, at no extra charge you are automatically opted in to receive periodic information about upgrading to a premium product!

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    9. Re:No No No No!!!! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Alternately, it's only $9.95 if you're OK with seeing some ad's from us, instead of the web sites your visiting...

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    10. Re:No No No No!!!! by theaceoffire · · Score: 1

      This could be a *great* thing, if Google does this right.

      Imagine having an option in the menu called "Local Deals".

      Opening this shows coupons and sales for the nearest stores to your location... things you may *actually want*.

      ^_^ If they did this, I know many people who would buy the phone *JUST FOR THE ADS*.

      Advertisers would get people coming into the stores, users would get discounts and coupons, and Google would get statistics on what kind of price drops bring people into the store off the street. Everyone wins.

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  2. I have a better idea by oldspewey · · Score: 1

    I'll just continue to buy locked phones, and then drop 10 or 20 whole dollars to get them unlocked at the local electronics mall.

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    1. Re:I have a better idea by Foxxxy · · Score: 1

      I choose to pay $5 and unlock it from the comfort of my home. I picked my last phone up from a carrier with no contracts for $50 more than the carriers with contacts, then paid $5 to get it unlocked, and signed up at the more expensive carrier on a month-month service.

      I hate locked in contacts, but also hate ads.

    2. Re:I have a better idea by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I've done the same with Pre-paid phones. I've taken several of those and activated them on month-to-month networks. If you just need something to makes calls on you can be sure you can find something for $50 with no contracts involved.

      Back to the Google phone though, I just don't see this flying. The reality is no carriers give you any discount at all for bringing an unlocked phone and not taking a subsidized one. You're paying for a phone at all times regardless. Why would I take a Google phone that's subdized by ads when I'm still going to be paying for the subsidy on a non-ad supported phone on my monthly bill? All you're really getting is the ability to leave the service whenever you want. As someone who's kept the same carrier for the last 7 years and has no desire to switch, I can't say I'm willing to deal with ads for the convenience. If Verizon ever pisses me off too bad I'll just wait until my contract is out before I switch - no big deal.

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    3. Re:I have a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is no carriers give you any discount at all for bringing an unlocked phone and not taking a subsidized one.

      I have the sneaking suspicion that T-Mobile, at least for this phone in particular, is about to change that. No fucking way Google hasn't taken this into consideration and negotiated something.

    4. Re:I have a better idea by geniusj · · Score: 1

      t-mobile plans are $10 less per month if you don't take a carrier phone subsidy.

    5. Re:I have a better idea by geniusj · · Score: 1
    6. Re:I have a better idea by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I'll just continue to buy locked phones, and then drop 10 or 20 whole dollars to get them unlocked at the local electronics mall.

      I think you'll see this model start to fail over the next little while, for two reasons -

      1) As we move more and more to 'smart phones' like the iPhone that get 'updated' regularly by PCs, you'll see mechanisms whereby the locking gets 'put back' each time you attach the phone to your PC.

      2) Networks will move to a model whereby they won't allow 'unlocked' phones on their network.

      Personally, I think it's all rubbish. The cable company doesn't subsidize the cost of my TV in their cable package, my ISP doesn't subsidize the cost of my PC in their broadband package (yeah, yeah I know there's a smattering of this, but still...), why don't they just sell the me the phone and the package separately, and be done with it?

    7. Re:I have a better idea by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Lately that is not good enough. AT&T puts their own screwed up firmware in the Nokias. so you need to not only unlock it but find someone that is good with Cellphones to replace the screwed up carrier version of the OS with the Unlocked unbranded OS that actually has all the features.

      I gave up and simply buy unlocked phones. my Nokia 5800 kicks the iphones ass when PyS60 is installed on it so I can whip up apps in a few minutes and do things the guys with iPhones only wish they could. and that's only because apple is deathly afraid of allowing something like Python on the phone.

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    8. Re:I have a better idea by Zantac69 · · Score: 1

      The thing that chaps my ass here is the $10 discount and I am not locked into a contract. Yippie-fuckin-do. Cut me a $30 discount since I am not buying your shitty hardware that you guys fucked around with.

      I have had unlocked phones since I moved to Europe a few years ago, and hate the fact that I am stuck with the jackasses at AT&T and T-Mobile. Dont even talk about Sprint or Verizon because they dont have SIM cards to swap around.

      As much as I cringe saying this, I almost wish the FCC would punch AT&T and T-Mobile in the seed - make them use the same fucking frequencies 800/850/1800/1900 would work for me - and fucking be over it.

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    9. Re:I have a better idea by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      That $10/month discount is $240 over a 2-year contract (which is what most new equipment contracts require). Whiners chap my ass.

    10. Re:I have a better idea by shird · · Score: 1

      What good is that when the only way to buy a locked phone is with a 24 month contract? Surely they don't sell subsidised phones to people unless they enter a contract, otherwise why would they subsidise it? Perhaps they do that in America, but in Australia you must typically enter a 2 year contract.

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  3. Only If There's A Choice by FSWKU · · Score: 1

    I can only see this approach working if Google gives buyers a choice. Pay full retail for the phone, or pay the reduced price in exchange for having ads sent to it. However, even that will only work if the ads are unobtrusive, and in no way interfere with normal operation of the device. That means NO having to click through a banner ad to make a call or send a text, NO interstitial ads between pages while browsing, NO watermarking of pictures sent via MMS, etc. A banner along the top I could deal with and ignore easily enough.

    That being said, I would still choose to pay full retail for the phone so I don't have to see the ads at all.

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    1. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Albanach · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking they might light to monetize calls through Google's 411 service.

      By integrating that right into the phone, you can lookup business numbers and then, in theory, charge businesses to have customer calls placed to them.

      That way you get a revenue stream, and the only adverts are the ones the customer requests when performing a search.

      No idea what the revenue potential would be though.

    2. Re:Only If There's A Choice by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I see a problem here. Not for you, but for the advertisers. You're willing to pay not to see the ads. That's almost a good thing for those positioning themselves in the middle, such as Google, as they can essentially extort money from you: "pay up or be blasted by ads." But it's really bad for the actual people selling products because the people with disposable income and the willingness to use it are the ones who've just spent a few quid to avoid all the ads. They're even, as demonstrated by their willingness to pay, the ones who notice ads or are concerned they may be affected by them.

      It's one of those stupid situations. Like Slashdot that I have actually previously been a subscriber to (stopped because they only accept PayPal now), which has their inducement to subscribe be eliminating the ads - on one of the few sites where I'm actually occasionally interested by the ads.

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    3. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      the people with disposable income

      you can stop their, no matter the pay those with disposable income are the (minority) who consistently spend less than they earn. The target audience are generally the ones who you can convince to juggle one more monthly expense and only cut back when someone finally cuts their credit card in half.

    4. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I see a problem for the non tech savvy.

      I guarantee that a crack+adblocker will show up minutes after the phone is available.

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    5. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Avoiding ads isn't the primary reason for subscribing to slashdot - I don't and never have but I can still kill the ads if I want to.

    6. Re:Only If There's A Choice by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      That's my point - one of the few places I am willing to subscribe to is one of the few places I'm not actually bothered by the ads.

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    7. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bigger problem is not that people are willing to pay to avoid ads in principle, or that they are perhaps offended by the privacy implications of the gps equipped mobile phone being linked to all the rest of the data that an adplatform has accumulated on them (via whatever means they are gathering it in... in Google's case their myriad services, others have other ways)

      I am NOT theoretically opposed to having a notification when i walk into a local BestBuy about Newegg running a "we will beat the price and ship it free promotion" reminder showing up on my phone.. nor am I opposed to the concept of something I am doing extensive research on the web.. say a large TV or a New laptop being announced when I am in the store etc...

      But we all know that ads go MUCH further.. I enter the random generic bar with appitizers chain near the mall, and the Phone's GPS realizes we are near the mall so it shits out Flash fullscreen ads with sound (or worse on the case of the LG expo with projector attached) interupts my presentation with a Victorias Secret ad (or worse a COMPETITOR online offering significantly LESS mainstream "angels"..

      We dont block ads with adblock because of adsense.. we block them because websites insist on running 14 flash adblocks along the left right top and bottom, fullscreen popover ads, popunders with full screen video, and fake hyperlink hover ads when we try to find actual links. In short the worst advertising offenders == the reason for the entire industry being villified.

    8. Re:Only If There's A Choice by shentino · · Score: 1

      there's only 2 reasons I take advantage of the disable ads option.

      1. I have no disposable income to spend anyway.
      2. The ads slow the site down.

    9. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People said that after the PS3 came out. It is still have been shown to be rootproof.

      Even low end phones have been unable to be unlocked by the usual providers. For example, the $15 Nokia 1661 has been completely immune to both the usual IMEI code guessing and reflashing by jas, and has been so for a year.

      The unlockers are losing the battle slowly but surely as stuff like TPM chips, signed executables, and more clever ways to put stuff behind tamper-proof hardware become cheaper and easy to do for device makers.

    10. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      legally? I'm guessing that you can't charge protection money for incoming calls. Funny how AT&T's divestiture 25 years ago is turning network companies into mobsters.

    11. Re:Only If There's A Choice by Albanach · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking advertising, not protection money.

      Think, type taxi into your google phone. GPS finds the nearest taxi firms. Then places a call direct to the firm that's willing to pay Google, just like ad-words on their website.

      If no one pays, it could select randomly, but one firm pays and it gets all the calls - at least until someone comes along and bids a higher per call rate.

  4. Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? Don't they realize it will annoy people? I think it would hurt the N.O.'s sales.

  5. Something Else by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google doesn't want to be in the phone business or the mobile carrier business, so this must be about something else, and that's the advertising business, since Google is in the business of selling ads.

    This is just my guess, and I'm not highly paid analyst, but isn't it possible that Google understands that it is in their best interests to have a more open cell phone market. I thought from the start that it was obvious that that was the purpose; originally they were going to do it by strong arming the bandwidth auctions but that fell through and they weren't prepared to actually bid and implement the system themselves. Now they've moved on to working within the system, opening what is arguably one of the best mobile OS's to any manufacturer that wants it, provided they play by certain rules including a minumum level of openness.

    1. Re:Something Else by fermion · · Score: 1
      Google is in the business of dominating online advertising. It is unclear whether the purpose of chrome is to create 'open' smartphones or to create a browsing experience that can compete with MS. We hear much talk about the number of chrome based phones we expect, but so far it is just talk. Chrome itself is not developed in an open manner, but is only released as a finished product, which means that person who want to develop with perhaps have a a more difficult situation developing timely than some closed source models.

      We also have seen that Google will put experimental projects on the market just to see if any salutes. At one time, for instance, Google docs looked like a very good solution, but now it is not clear what the future of this software will be. It is possible that this may be a Chrome only software.

      So the only thing that is possible is that Google thinks by dominating the mobile market with cheap phones they can dominate the paid ad business on mobile devices just like the desktop. This is not a problem for those who do not care if google knows the content of every text message, and therefore will be good for the market place.

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    2. Re:Something Else by AaronMK · · Score: 1

      "originally they were going to do it by strong arming the bandwidth auctions but that fell through and they weren't prepared to actually bid and implement the system themselves."

      I thought that the winner of that auction was required to open up the network on that spectrum, no matter who it was. Google should be creating an open phone, and using their large legal muscle and position in the public spotlight to force Verizon to fulfill that obligation of openness that came with the spectrum. Even if they can't open the cell market in general, they should at least be able to open up Verizon.

    3. Re:Something Else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a disruptive technology like peer to peer calling over distributed networks or micro nets.

      If call where free. i.e. its just your wifi bandwidth to the next persons phone then it could catch on and cut out the telcos completely (if it could be made to work). Does google voice have to p2p elements?

      This would mean that the Telcos could not control the channel or ask for a share of revenue

    4. Re:Something Else by timbck2 · · Score: 1

      s/chrome/android/g

      There, fixed that for you...

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    5. Re:Something Else by Wiarumas · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I don't think Google is entirely hell bent on dominating the online advertising industry with every little thing they release/announce. Sure, it may be one of their priority goals, but I'm pretty sure they are wanting to diversify themselves to ensure that when competition comes around, they don't have all their eggs in one basket. I really think that they are just trying to capture a small niche of the market just as a branding effort - not a big brother/advertising scheme. Its a new pond and they are in it with some big fish - like the ATT + Apple duo. At this point in time there is nothing they can do that can overthrow that, but they can chisel away at them just by trying to dream up an unconventional business model. I really think they are just buttering us up and pissing off the competition just because they can. Then, one day, they'll drop the big bomb on us. It'll be some sort of voip phone that uses some sort of national WAN they set up when we were sleeping.

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    6. Re:Something Else by BlitzTech · · Score: 1

      It'll be some sort of voip phone that uses some sort of national WAN they set up when we were sleeping. Stop that. I don't need you vocalizing my hopes and aspirations for the future of cell phones, adding to it, and not promising that it'll happen. Jerk.

    7. Re:Something Else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know it's hard to believe, but EVERYTHING google does it about advertising, revenue, and generating returns for shareholders. Everything, with no exceptions.

      Knowing who you call, where you are located physically, the content of text messages, are all part of data mining, which is all google cares about.

      Suggesting google cares about a "more open cell phone market" is just silly.

  6. Unlikely by watanabe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it unlikely that Google would use on-device ads to help phone costs: their traditional strategy has been to use ads to monetize core offerings, not ancillary ones. Ancillary offerings bring you back to the core offerings, where ads are effectively placed.

    There's so much speculation right now on the market, but I think that it's clear that Google could do something really interesting without the use of on-device monetization right now, e.g. the $199 unlocked super-phone that's being discussed in the more rumor-mill-ish blogs right now. If they could be cash-neutral doing that, and simultaneously disintermediate wireless carriers (a side-goal they've had for some time now), AND double Android's market share in the US, the mobile device group will be getting large bonuses, mark my words.

    A totally new business model which likely reduces the amount of uptake from consumers: not so likely right now; Google has lots of cash and wants lots of market share. It's not a time to futz around with stuff like this: consumers would generally LOVE an iphone-a-like which costs $30 a month for unlimited calling and only costs $199. If Google can get that out the door, they'll have done plenty already in the last eighteen months.

    1. Re:Unlikely by dirkdodgers · · Score: 1

      Which means that if they aren't delivering ads directly on the device, they are almost certainly using it to collect data about everything you do and everywhere you go in order to increase your value to advertisers through search and mail.

  7. Is there a niche for this? by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As it stands in the US, there are two well entrenched market niches for smartphones. The first of which are the unlocked phones (or the phones one pays full retail price for from a provider.) This is about $400-$600. The second is the provider sponsored phone where one pays the cost of the phone via a contract. The price ceiling in the US is effectively set for this by Apple at around $200.

    The ads wouldn't be welcomed in the unlocked phone arena. If I pay the premium price tag for an unlocked phone, I won't be buying one that slings ads at me. If the contract changes while I have the phone, I'll be rooting the device and yanking that "functionality" out, or not accepting the changes in my contract and will toss the phone in the garbage. Then I will go with a provider who wouldn't pull that on me.

    If I were paying for a phone subsidized over 2 years, ads are not welcome here either. If my phone gets an OTA update to become an ad vomiter, that is a change in my contract that I do not have to accept, and I will trash the phone and change providers.

    So, where would the ad-supported device model come to play? I see only one place, and that is the low end market, such as the prepaid phones one sees for sale for $15-$30, or the "free" phones that come with a 1-2 year contract. Maybe this market is what Google might be aiming for, where people would tolerate ads in return for a smartphone that costs $20.

    1. Re:Is there a niche for this? by westlake · · Score: 1

      Maybe this market is what Google might be aiming for, where people would tolerate ads in return for a smartphone that costs $20.

      The $20 cell phone appeals to the poor, elderly and disabled. Not the most promising market for the advertiser.

    2. Re:Is there a niche for this? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      ... The second is the provider sponsored phone where one pays the cost of the phone via a contract. The price ceiling in the US is effectively set for this by Apple at around $200.

      I believe I saw some subsidized smart phones that were at-or-around 200 USD before the iPhone came out. I know definitely before the 3Gs came out, but only vaguely remember some from before the regular iPhone so I might be mistaken. It was probably AT&T or Verizon since T-Mobile likes to act on the cheap.

      Perhaps some BlackBerries or some of the Motorola ones.

      Given the choice I'd rather buy a full priced unlocked and unrestricted phone directly from the manufacturer, which is why I used to like buying them from Sony-Ericcson's online store.

    3. Re:Is there a niche for this? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      More importantly, what good does it do me in the U.S. to have an unlocked phone if it's GSM only? That effectively means that, instead of being locked into one carrier, I get to choose from *2* carriers (one of which is AT&T, which no one in their right mind would choose anyway). Whoopty do!

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    4. Re:Is there a niche for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and the other that is rolling out a 3G network using a different frequency pair than everyone else. :P

    5. Re:Is there a niche for this? by mlts · · Score: 1

      If one travels abroad, GSM capability does mean a lot. One can either use a GSM provider such as T-Mobile that has towers in the destination country, or if the phone is unlocked, swap the SIM card out for a local provider and go that route. A number of countries tend to go with pay-as-you-go SIM cards where one buys the SIM at a store with x amount of time on it and uses that until it is depleted.

      Even in the US, there isn't a real alternative. Until both the CDMA providers here support R-UIM cards (unlikely, but it might happen when they get rolling to 4G), you have to get authorization to have a phone's ESN put onto a CDMA provider's network (and from what various forums state, getting authorization for a phone may not be easy). Even if one is able to bypass the lock (generally more difficult than the average SIM card unlocking), moving a phone across the American CDMA providers is nowhere as easy as GSM technology.

      If in the US, I'd probably say none of this matters, because not many people (relatively) buy unlocked phones and then shop for a provider. Unless someone has an existing contract, Americans tend to buy a phone and deal with the provider secondary, as opposed to other parts of the world where one shops for a phone, then shops for a provider. This isn't to say people don't do that in the US, but it is more difficult to find a phone and match it to a provider (US GSM is wonky with its oddball frequency ranges used) than it is to either find a provider you like and shop from their phone collection, or find a phone you like and deal with the carrier.

    6. Re:Is there a niche for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll say only this: Paying Google Voice services. That's where my money is!

    7. Re:Is there a niche for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking about? The idea is the phone's price with be subsidized based on the fact that you receive ads. So you have an unlocked phone, for contract prices (without the contract, just ads).

      Would you rather a $200 phone with 2 (3 years in Canada) contract that is locked to your carrier?

      Or

      Would you rather a $200 phone, no contract, unlocked to any carrier, that receives an Ad via text message/email/etc. once every couple days (or hell, I'll take one every day if you want. It's not hard to delete a received message, I do it all the time with people I don't want to talk to at the time.)

      Why exactly are people so afraid of ads? You simply ignore or delete them. It's not like they're going to intrude on any actual user experience (otherwise people stop using, and ads become worthless. I don't think Google is going to do this (or ever have)).

    8. Re:Is there a niche for this? by Toonol · · Score: 2, Informative

      The $20 cell phone appeals to the poor, elderly and disabled. Not the most promising market for the advertiser.

      One of the reasons the poor are poor is because they ARE a prime target, and sucker for, advertising. I'll throw out Blue Hippo as an example: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/like-taking-candy-computers-from-a-baby-the-poor.ars.

    9. Re:Is there a niche for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are we afraid of ads? Because once the mechanism is there, the ad that might come every couple of days will become every day, then every hour, then once every 10 minutes.

      This happened with cable. At first, the lure to get people to pay for it was that there would be zero ads. Then ads started appearing between shows. Then ads ramped up so they are now just as bad as OTA broadcasting.

      The Internet is another example. First came the static banner pictures. Then the animated GIFs. Then the "punch the monkey" Flash ads. Then the banners turned into tower ads, taking a sizable chunk of screen real estate. Web pages that had content that scrolled down became postage stamp chunks where one has to hit "Next" every couple sentences so the content providers can throw more ads in your face. And this is all not even mentioning the adware/spyware wars for peoples' desktops.

      Phones won't be any different. Ads will creep onto a phone until there is a point reached where the device becomes too annoying to even bother with, even if the device was free. It doesn't matter if the phone costs $0 and is ad supported, or $400 and has the same OTA push mechanism. In both cases, ad providers will push as many ads as they can get away with until the phone becomes unusable. I don't advocate regulation first, but there is absolutely -nothing- pushing the ad companies back from having their stuff jamming the device as much as possible.

      I can see the ad-supported phones already. The phone's screen real estate will at all times be plastered by vibrating animated ads on 1/3 to 1/2 the screen, one must answer an ad to unlock the screensaver, and one must watch (and acknowledge) a 15-30 second ad before placing a non-emergency call. I can see even worse than that. The phone using a speakerphone to stream audio ads just like radio unless the device is physically shut off.

      I'm sure the advertisers are slavering to get their junk on phones. Already marketers call it the "third screen" to always have some form of chatter coming at the consumer 24/7. And consumers have to have the cajones (regardless of gender) to say NO. Of course, with ads come tracking, so it wouldn't be far fetched for advertisers to not just get control of a device, but be able to get GPS locations of everyone they are spewing ads to.

    10. Re:Is there a niche for this? by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      Funny, I don't fit into any of those categories and I pay about $6.00 a month for my phone. It's just that some of us have more important things to do with out money than pay a fortune for something like a phone.

    11. Re:Is there a niche for this? by dirkdodgers · · Score: 1

      It won't be a separate model. It will be the standard model, just like Google and Gmail. The ads will be unobtrusive to the majority of consumers, but still valuable to advertisers. Google will no more offer this without personal data collection and advertising than they do Google and Gmail. Sure, they'll give you some privacy options, but they won't give you options that have a meaningful negative impact on the value of their services to advertisers.

      If you run AdBlock, you are a minority. This isn't the phone for you. Since Google will control the hardware and the software, you'd have a heck of a time running AdBlock even if you wanted to. That's the point.

    12. Re:Is there a niche for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't have anything concrete as of yet on how Google will use this ad functionality, so I can't really do more than just make conjecture. However, ads on devices are not like ads on computers where Google text ads are a relatively peaceful thing compared to the "you are the winner of the hour, click here to claim your botnet client", or "punch the primate" garbage.

      Devices have very little screen real estate compared to TVs where one can sort of watch a movie as it gets shrunk so advertisers can display stuff on the bottom and sides with ease. People have grown used to the modern format of websites with a small chunk of content with tower ads on the right of the screen and a "next" button every couple paragraphs. However, on a phone, there isn't that much in square inches for an ad provider to work with. If ad providers want the whole screen, they either will have to go with interstitial ads and royally piss off people, or limit themselves to ads on screensavers similar to the late 1990s Pointcast "push" technology. If they gobble up chunks of the screen, how much is too much? Yes, people can sort of use a phone if a screen the size of the iPhone has a postage stamp area that their stuff displays in while random animated crud bouncing around the screen.

      Ad slingers have to be careful because they are entering an already crowded market with a product that nobody wants. At the low end, people will go back to their Motorola RAZRs, low end Nokias, and whatever phones that are sold at bargain basement prices. These inexpensive phones don't do much other than SMS and voice calls, but the functions they do are well tested and usable by almost anyone. The low end phones are also ad free and work to place calls when people want.

      At the high end, if a phone has too many ads that the phone becomes too intrusive to use, the customer will pay the early termination fee, bin the phone, march over to the nearest AT&T store, get an iPhone, and become forevermore a lost cause for Google, Android, and their products in the future. Once bitten, twice shy, and people will make aware to others of that fact fast. Without sounding fanboish, the iPhone is the flag bearer in the US for smartphones, and if the competition doesn't stay a half step ahead of Apple, they will lose customers. Nobody is going to shell out $200 (with a contract) or $600 unlocked for a phone that limits its functionality and screen real estate due to ads.

      So, Google is going to have to have tight reins over what advertisers can do. If they let advertisers play streamed radio ad spots on the phone at all hours, flash animated ads all the time when the thing is charging, refuse to allow calls until people watch 60 second spots and solve a puzzle, nobody will buy the device (even if it is $10), and it will die a painful death, taking billions of dollars of Google's research with it.

  8. Do not want! by ickleberry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dunno about the rest of you, but I'd rather pay the full whack for an unlocked Maemo phone. I know we are in a recession and all, but an ad-supported phone seems going a bit far.

    If after a year I want a new phone I will sell the unlocked phone for significantly more than an identical phone that is locked, but given that the 'average Joe' would rather pay 50 a month for 2 years than 500 upfront I will be one of the few, which is unfortunately making it harder for me to source my unlocked phones

    The whole point of having a phone that runs Linux is the freedom of being able to customise and 'hack' it, not have it make sure I'm looking at the required number of ads. Far too often these days a Linux-based device only runs Linux because it saves the manufacturer the trouble of licensing a kernel or writing their own.

    1. Re:Do not want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the Nokia N900 and thus far am very happy with it. (I live in Colorado)
      Combined with T-Mobile's no contract plan, seems a no brainer to anyone that can afford the phone.
      (This coming from someone not well versed in Linux development, but learning)

  9. It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by iamapizza · · Score: 2, Informative

    AFAIK (in the UK at least), with a contract, you're paying x per month, and you're tied in for a contract of usually about 18 months. That 18x comes out to more than the cost of the phone. For example, look at the HTC Magic from Vodafone Total: 720 GBP which is obviously more than the cost of the phone. Or am I missing something that's US-specific?

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    1. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are not missing a US-specific point, you are missing the entire point. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to explain it in detail, as I am off to the gym in 26 minutes.

    2. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Ma'at · · Score: 1

      The problem is that if you bring your own phone to a US carrier, you don't get a discounted rate. Effectively, any wireless plan you buy will include a 2-year lock-in and the extra cost for a phone subsidy, wether you use the subsidy or not. There are a few small carriers that don't have long term contracts with built in subsidies, but there is no cost benefit to bringing your own phone to any of the national carriers.

    3. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For example, look at the HTC Magic from Vodafone Total: 720 GBP which is obviously more than the cost of the phone

      But aren't you also paying for your baseline cell phone service?

    4. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      AFAIK (in the UK at least), with a contract, you're paying x per month, and you're tied in for a contract of usually about 18 months. That 18x comes out to more than the cost of the phone. For example, look at the HTC Magic from Vodafone Total: 720 GBP which is obviously more than the cost of the phone. Or am I missing something that's US-specific?

      Pretty much, you're right.

      I read some past threads on either Slashdot or elsewhere that had people reporting that they were able to successfully renegotiate their contract with customer service when the contract was up for this specific reason, but I'd never met anyone in person that's done that.

      In the US you get tied to a contract, but you're typically paying the same price whether-or-not you subsidize the phone. So you're paying the same monthly fee whether you're using a new subsidized phone or an old phone or an unlocked phone you picked up from eBay.

      On the other hand, if you get yourself a nice handset (perhaps a smart phone) for a good deal on a manufacturer's site and you force yourself to use it for a couple of years (such as 2 contract lengths) then you might win out since the subsidies don't cover the full cost of the nicer phones and I recall seeing sales/deals on SonyEriccson.com

    5. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try T-Mobile. They just rolled out discounted month to month rates if you have your own phone.

    6. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true -- with Sprint, you are required to add special features to your contract (SprintTV, navigation, and such) in order to get a "subsidized" smartphone. If you buy the phone elsewhere and activate it onto your account, you're allowed to use it with a cheaper non-premium data plan.

    7. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by limaxray · · Score: 1

      You're missing the key point that the contract price includes cellular service. If you buy the phone outright, you don't get service. The service costs much more (and has greater profit margins) than the phone, which is why carriers are willing to subsidize phones like this.

      I personally don't understand why anyone (in the US at least) would want to buy a phone out of contract. You're almost always guaranteed to pay more for the phone compared to taking the contract, even if you decide to bail and pay the ETF.

    8. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by s0litaire · · Score: 1

      Nope! you're not missing a thing!

      It's just the Americans are not used to forcing their Mobile Telcos to provide them with good "value for service".

      If a lot of people go "Sim Free" then the Telcos' will have to adapt, since more of their users are not handcuffed to their service and can move at any time...

      Which is a GOOD thing, as it promotes competition. In the end, you are getting a better service...

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    9. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by mlts · · Score: 1

      I disagree here. About five months ago, a friend of mine bought an unlocked GSM phone, went to AT&T and he got a month to month plan at their standard rates, with no contracts. The only thing he had to pay for was the $20 for the SIM card. I'm sure AT&T wasn't happy not selling a phone, but better a constant revenue stream from a paying customer on their network than no customer at all.

      T-Mobile is another example. When I needed a second line for a family member, I generously relieved a generic GSM phone of its SIM lock, and obtained a non contract plan for multiple devices from T-Mobile. They threw in the SIM card gratis.

      CDMA carriers might be a different story. I was browsing random Web forums and people were stating that certain CDMA carriers have a blanket policy of not letting any device on their network that do not have their logo on it. This may not be the case today.

    10. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On ATT, say you purchase the cheapest individual plan for $39.99 a month and you want a smartphone like the Nokia E71x. Because this is a smartphone, you must also purchase, at a minimum, a $30/month personal plan for unlimited data and sync, in addition to the $49.99 subsidized price for the E71x. Calculate the cost of this over 24 months for the 2 year contract and you come to a price of $770 for the phone and $960 for voice.

      Now, purchase an unlocked Nokia E71 on Amazon for $260. Walk into an ATT store, sign up for the $39.99 plan and get a SIM card. Put the card in your phone, log in to your account on ATTs website, and add the $15/month unlimited data plan. You now have a phone with MORE capabilities than the vendor locked E71x, the same features, and you are not locked into a 2 year contract. Total cost of this over 24 months: $620 for the phone and $960 for voice.

    11. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      T-Mobile gives a $10 per month discount if you bring your own phone. On a 2 year contract, that saves $240. So if I buy a $400 unlocked phone that would have been $200 had I gotten it subsidized from T-Mobile, I'm actually saving $40 over the 2 years. Of course, that 200 dollars invested at an extremely optimistic rate of %10 return would have brought me something like 40 dollars over the 2 years but then I'd have to deal with taxes and finding an investment with a good chance of clearing 10 percent. Yeah right.

      So, the bottom line is you are actually wrong. There are situations where it pays to bring your own phone.

    12. Re:It's cheaper to buy straight from manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are missing something; at least in my experience the carriers charge more if you are out-of-contract. Thus its cheaper monthly to be in contract, and if your signing a contract you might as well get a "free" phone (free in that it doesn't change what you pay).

  10. android already drives ad revenue by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    1. most android devices are tightly coupled with google services. if you get someone using google mail, calendar, etc on the phone, of course they will use the web interface at some point and be subjected to ads.

    2. many android apps already make use of admob for the "free" version.

    i doubt google would make adds an inherent part of the phone experience.

  11. Unsubsidized? Less crippled than an iPhone? Lame. by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

    Why are analysts always so effin' dense? Google is in the "no one gets between us and our ad-clicking users" business. They're one of the largest collections of smart people on the planet. They wanted in the mobile phone business, so they got in the mobile phone business. They own an ass-ton of fiber and manipulated the wireless auctions in their favor. They're not just an advertising company, they're the "we're the god damn Internet" company.

    No one bought unlocked Nokia smartphones because nobody in America wants Nokia smartphones, subsidized or otherwise.

  12. Reminds me of MicroSoft and Xbox... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    No newcomer on any marked really understand (without experience) the price tag for playing as a part of the game. Google is a giant, but not in every area, Nokia is a giant too, but as google..not in every area, they're both players in their own area of expertise - and the price for entering into each others pissing fields - could be very expensive, such as . eg. Microsoft experienced when they ventured into the area of console gaming.

    (read between the lines, before you reply!)

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  13. Wait... by PerfectionLost · · Score: 1

    Aren't unlocked phones more expensive? Shouldn't our monthly rate be cheaper if we pay full cost for the phone, since the cost of the phone is not hidden in the service fees?

    1. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't unlocked phones more expensive? Shouldn't our monthly rate be cheaper if we pay full cost for the phone, since the cost of the phone is not hidden in the service fees?

      Some providers in the US have recently started offering exactly this -- lower-cost service plans where you're not locked into a 2 year contract. This is because they're not subsidizing the cost of your phone over the span of that contract.

  14. Where will the ads be? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    My question is where Google will put the ads so that they are actually seen. If they build it into software, it's only a matter of time before the phone is rooted/jailbroken/HardSPL'd and ad-free firmware ends up on Rapidshare. Then it's just a matter of simplifying the process down to making it feasible for anyone sick enough of the ads to make the gamble of performing a warranty-voiding process on their phone, and unless ads live unobtrusively in the browser, Google will end up right next to the iPhone, silently fighting the gPhone Dev Team.

    1. Re:Where will the ads be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ads will be served on the network side.

      Google phone user side: "Thank you for using the Google Nexus One. We're connecting your call to Bob but first we'd like to tell you a little about the all new [insert product name here]..."

      Person being called: "Jim is calling you from his Google Nexus One. While we're connecting you we would like to let you know about the exciting new [insert product name here]..." /scared

    2. Re:Where will the ads be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that this is going to be "taken care" of soon, to make rooting a phone as difficult as the PS3:

      1: ACTA is getting close to being inflicted on nations worldwide, and in most countries (like the US) treaties supersede even the Constitution, so it will fly over the lawmakers' heads so it becomes the law of the land without any review or scrutiny, much less judicial process. Just like WIPO and the DMCA got passed with -ZERO- review.

      2: The mechanism is in place to OTA flash phones in Android, removing any rooting.

      3: Finally, I'm sure that it won't be long before rooted devices will be kicked off networks just like Xbox 360s.

      Enjoy it while you can. In less than 3-5 years, people will dream about rooting a phone just as they do about speedhaxxing in WoW, or getting all full channels on satellite with a hacked card.

  15. Phone cost subsidies by gehrehmee · · Score: 3, Informative

    I look at telecom subsidation of phone costs as a small loan. Can't/won't buy the phone with your own cash up-front? We'll loan you that money, and you pay it back a little bit every month on your bill. This breaks down because if you buy a plan without getting subsidized, you pay a higher price per month for your phone service (ie, the same monthly payment, but with none of it going to a loan repayment).

    The workaround for this: If I sign up for a 3-year contract, you can either give me a cheaper monthly rate, OR give me a phone-up front, OR give me a cash bonus upfront, approximately the same amount the subsidy would cost. That way I can take that cash and buy whatever I want with it (if it happens to be a smart phone, awesome).

    THIS breaks down because the telecom wants to have absolute control over what I can and can't do on their network, and won't budge to give up any leeway there. I don't have a workaround for that one yet :)

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    1. Re:Phone cost subsidies by gehrehmee · · Score: 1

      Of course, recouping cost via advertising is another spin... but ultimately comes down to repayment. If we really want to subject ourselves to ads, we should be able to do it for straight-up cash, or payment on our loan (of cash or phone-lease).

      The word "lease" just clarified this issue a bit for me. Leasing equipment from our phone provider is really an old idea... and one we've fought hard against. Why are we so anxious to get back into that situation?

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    2. Re:Phone cost subsidies by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Leases make sense when you want something new every few years. They don't if you want to actually own the thing and use it for more than a short period of time. Different goals in mind... most people like getting a new cell phone every two years, all the new gadgets and features and stuff.

    3. Re:Phone cost subsidies by gehrehmee · · Score: 1

      Assuming that leases are a good idea for phones (I don't think they are. Even a $1000 phone isn't so expensive that it should require a 2-3 year payment plan. At the end of a "lease", you return the item with value to its owner, or buy it out. But phones depreciate way too fast for that to be reasonable), why would you lease your phone from the person running the telecom network?

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    4. Re:Phone cost subsidies by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Look at it more like a small loan than a lease. That's basically all it is... not everyone has $1000 on hand for a phone. Lots of people need phone service but their budgets are stretched as it is. It's the same reason that those payday loan places exist... you shouldn't need them, but lots of people just do.

  16. We've trained it for them by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of us using GOOG-411 and Google Voice have done a splendid job training their voice recognition system. Within a year, I predict that you'll be seeing ads relevant to the conversation you're having while you're still having it. "It's been ages since I've had good sushi!" -> ad for nearby expensive sushi restaurants.

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    1. Re:We've trained it for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, they'll be able to use the ad revenue to engage in some truly rapacious robber barony.

      The U.S. telcos are in pathetic shape as it is. They're flabby, collusive, and generally non-competitive. An ad-supported 'free' phone service will pull the rug out from the few small communications providers we have left and seriously challenge the big players, who will be very slow to react. We could be looking at a future of cheap smart-phones with 'free' plans, and collapsing revenues for companies like Verizon unless they adopt the Google model. (Which Google is already best at.) With nobody equipped to compete with them, the Google monolith will swallow up the North American telco industry as well. I give it seven years or less. It'd be too easy to pull off, they have the technology, the infrastructure, and the money to do it, and now they have their first phone.

      It's actually the best chance we have of reviving anti-trust legislation for the big phone and cable providers. Google is going to be stepping on a lot of toes soon, and the only way to bring them under control to protect the big boys from complete domination would be a regulatory Pyrrhic victory for them. I say go for it. I don't want Microsoft 2.0 owning that infrastructure any more than I want the current owners to hold onto it.

      It's like I've said before, Google wants a world without privacy or competition, because information is their commodity and they want it all. They haven't been building up steam for the past decade just to fritter it away on philanthropy and vaporware research projects. They're primed to begin an all-out assault on the telcos, which if successful will create a nearly perfect advertising machine for Google. Every medium except paper will gather data from you and deliver ads tailored to you. This is the opening shot right here.

    2. Re:We've trained it for them by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      All of us using GOOG-411 and Google Voice have done a splendid job training their voice recognition system. Within a year, I predict that you'll be seeing ads relevant to the conversation you're having while you're still having it. "It's been ages since I've had good sushi!" -> ad for nearby expensive sushi restaurants.

      It's kind of hard to see the screen when it's next to your ear, but yes, when you hang up, that's reasonable. I rather expect good ads for YouTube is easier to handle.

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  17. Even better Idea by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Presumably Google will implement something like Apple originally planned, wherein they simply buy time in an auction from carriers. Apple had elaborateplans for a real time auction system, even letting consumers do it automaticallys (i.e. by apple) or choose a carrier to prefer.

    If they do that competitivley presumably their rateplans will be less because they are not subsidizing the phone. If they can reduce the cost further with ads then their rate plan is going to beat everyone elses.

    Guess what happens then? Well if my contract with XYZ-mobile is up, and I can move my existing phone over to the google network, then googles rates are going to be much more attractive than staying with XYZ mobile since there is no subsidy.

    I note that recently T-mobile has new plans out for the Bring-your-own-phone crowd. They are slightly cheaper and offer more minutes that the "free-phone" plans.

    On top of that, for people who do buy a google phone, then since they shelled out the cash already, they are going to stick with the unsubsidized google phone rate plan rather than sign up with a company offering "free" phones and pay a hidden subsidy they will never use? Thus this builds loyalty to google like airline miles do.

    Finally there will be corporate fleets. If the google phone lets these corporations buy phones in bulk then it's going to be cheaper in the long ruin for these companies to go with unsubisdized google rates. on top of that if google lets in third party service providers (blackberry like enterprises) then these will be attractive to corprorate fleets who want to be in charge of their own network.

    That all assumes google is buying at competitive rates on the open market from carriers.

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  18. twice as much? by farble1670 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the price of an unlocked phone always seemed wrong to me. these are cheap, mass produced, underpowered devices using yesterday's technology for the most part. why do they cost $600?

    1. Re:twice as much? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      The difference being when I had a phone with a 450mhz processor, the phone wasn't much bigger than the 450 mhz processor in my previously owned desktop machine. It costs money to shrink that stuff down.

    2. Re:twice as much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being unlocked is a feature that a small number of people are willing to pay for. The price of that feature is set at whatever the market will bear. Perhaps the phone is $300, and you are paying another $300 premium for the privilege of having control over your own hardware.

  19. Android-AdBlock by C_Kode · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's unlocked. How soon to Ad-Block for Android comes out?

    1. Re:Android-AdBlock by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Unlocked merely means you can use it with any compatible service provider; it's not artificially locked to a single provider. Just because a phone is unlocked, it doesn't mean you have root access on it.

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    2. Re:Android-AdBlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering the same thing. I could buy the ad-subsidized phone then install a custom firmware that doesn't have all the ad crap (it is just Linux and Java after all).

      Normal consumers wouldn't want to put up with the trouble of doing something like that but for those of us willing to accept some pain to get a cheap nice phone then it sounds good to me.

    3. Re:Android-AdBlock by sponga · · Score: 1

      But for sakes of argument, lets just say 'unlocked' is a general term to use on a lot of things.

      I have all my Iphone friends who *freak* out when you use the term unlock instead of jailbreak, its like take at easy you know what I mean.
      The term jailbroken got a lot of us by surprise, although most people were taken by surprise of how Apple would lock it down and create new terms

    4. Re:Android-AdBlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like this? http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-bigtincan-android-adfree-zxC.aspx

    5. Re:Android-AdBlock by Krneki · · Score: 1

      This will be something funny to see how it ends.

      You buy something discounted by agreeing they can send you ads. Then you reinstall a hacked OS and filter the ads out.

      I wonder if they can successfully sue you. Maybe in the US they can, but in the EU they don't have a fucking chance.

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  20. Re:LOL! What An Idiot! by nitefallz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He didn't say the iPhone was the best thing ever. He did state a fact though. No smartphone that's been released since the iPhone (from what I've seen) has had a subsidized price of anything over $200. Largely due to the fact that the masses would see "iPhone for $200, or something else for more.. why?".

    So.. you can shut your pie hole and learn not to assume. Straw man fallacy, look it up.

  21. How would it work? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    If this was truly an "unlocked" phone, especially if it's meant to be a developer-friendly phone, I don't see how they could add on-device ads that I couldn't remove.

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    1. Re:How would it work? by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      Presuming you can in fact root the device, they'd be relying on being Google, and having ads that don't piss off the majority of users and accordingly being less likely to be blocked. Imagine if they crossed this with some voice recognition and a bit of their search tech.

      You talk about catching a movie, the screen on the phone provides a list of nearby theaters/current schedules automatically, default ordering based on advertising revenue.

      You talk about planning to eat out, it hears "grabbing" "dinner" "Chinese", and lists appropriate restaurants immediately on screen, again default ordering based on ad revenue.

      Conversation context sensitive ads if done right could actually be very useful, and if done wrong will result in Hulk-like rage.

    2. Re:How would it work? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      if done wrong will result in Hulk-like rage.

      I doubt it. Much more likely, it will result in hilarity, much like contextual ads. I don't know, I can see how that would inspire rage, but it just makes me laugh.

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  22. Wish I could get a prepaid smart phone by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    Right now I dual-wield. I have a Tracfone & iPod Touch. I don't talk or text a lot. I spend $6 per month for 60 minutes. I got an LG600G, which is pretty plain-vanilla. I'd be willing to pay a few hundred for an iPhone or Android Phone that just let me pre-pay for talk time & texting & web access. There's plenty of prepaid feature phones available, but their rates are ridiculous compared to Tracfone's. I can't imagine buying the phone, pay for a contract with somebody AND having to view ads (even if they're only text).

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    1. Re:Wish I could get a prepaid smart phone by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      You can buy a G1 or MyTouch from T-Mobile for $400.00 or so. You can get it unlocked from T-Mobile if you wish.

      You can use it with pre-paid service from any GSM provider.

      But, the data access will be expensive.

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    2. Re:Wish I could get a prepaid smart phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I um, wield, an unlocked iPhone 3g on t-mobile. Prepaid. Bout $80 a month, gets me hotspot access too.

      Had prepaid from the beginning with an iPhone 1g till AT&FUCKYOU pissed me off.

  23. oh I can't wait for this by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    This will take phone sex to a whole other level!

  24. cheap PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could see this being useful, depending on how the ads get activated. Personally, I'd like to find a cheap (and I mean in the price range of the old Zire 71) replacement for my PalmOS devices. Smartphones are *WAY* too expensive, regardless of whether you look at the price full up-front, or if it instead gets screwed out of you on a monthly basis for 2 years. So here you might be able to get a GooglePhone on the cheap, and then never activate it with a wireless carrier, using it only locally, perhaps with your WiFi router at home at most. If you never activated it with a carrier, how would they send ads to you?

    1. Re:cheap PDA by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Second the motion. Hear hear. Want.

      That's precisely what I want. I want a smartphone I can use around the house as a replacement for my old 900 MHz cordless phone, connecting through my WiFi has a soft-phone. I'd take the SIM card out of it and stick it in a drawer to be sure it never tried to connect to the cellular network and use it as a cordless phone and PDA-type thing.

      But yes, the price has to be right. I don't see that happening for another decade. Pity.

  25. Any credible sources? by the+ReviveR · · Score: 1

    Is there any bit more official or trusted source that is actually confirming that google is bringing out its own phone?

    Eldar Murtazin which I would consider a moderately trustworthy source regarding mobiles says that he has talked about it with a google employee and it's a fake.

    So many news and comments that seem to think this is real that I can't really form an opinion myself. If google does do this, it is a bit of a slap on the face for it's Android allies. Google is suddenly a competitor with a clear advantage.

  26. This reminds me of an idea I had by geekoid · · Score: 1

    about 20 years ago.

    I was discussing the problems of getting phone service to people with little or no income, and the political difficulties of cutting peoples phone service.

    I suggested they give people the option of getting advertising in exchange for free or discounted service.

    Like after being on the phone for 30 seconds you would hear a one time ad like "Drink Coca-cola" or some such.

    I wish I could remember the CEOs exact quote. It was something like "small ads in a lot of place will never generate income".

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    1. Re:This reminds me of an idea I had by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's alright, A friend and I had a way cool idea about 27-28 years ago about a map you could carry around and the "you are here" spot would mark your location as you moved around. Cool but impossible. Just a couple of years before, we openly mocked a fellow classmate who wanted to write a program to automatically turn on the computer. What a fool, he was. I'll say it here: Amrit (Paul) Rishi - I apologize for thinking your idea was idiotic - several of my computers now use wake-on-lan, and scheduling that brings them out of sleep to run backups.

      I just wish we'd thought about going further with that damned map idea...

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  27. I need to call 911 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try these emergency medicine doctors in your area today...

    or

    Going to be in the hospital for months?... Subscribe to these magazine NOW ....

    or

    Got pain? Try these prescription pharmaceuticals from your local drug-pushing A.M.A.-endorsed "DOCTOR"...

    What's so special about the world's biggest ad agency known as Google? Would someone please take away their business.

    Yours In Riga,
    K.T.

  28. Apple patent pending by MouseR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is precisely why Apple filed for a patent on this recently.

    It's a way for them to block potential ad revenues from Android, protecting the high price of their iPhone.

  29. unlocked "approach" largely failed? by TopSpin · · Score: 1

    So Nokia's little Apple-wannabe store(s) somewhere near er... Chicago, or something, falls flat and that means no one wants unlocked phones? Whatever.

    If you would like to participate in the failing unlocked phone market don't lament the poor performance of Nokia's fail brick-and-mortar outlets. Just head over here and buy a perfectly good unlocked Nokia 5530 GSM or any one of 105 other unlocked phones of all levels of capability. Need a cheap unlocked phone that works well with no monthly bill? Buy a RAZR V3 for $80, get some minutes from T-Mobile and forget about it. It works fine.

    Bundling is a racket. Don't support it.

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  30. Smaller is not cheaper by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    these are cheap, mass produced, underpowered devices using yesterday's technology for the most part. why do they cost $600?

    Because even "yesterdays technology" costs a lot to produce when you have to shrink it by a factor of 10 and at the same time make it use far less power.

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    1. Re:Smaller is not cheaper by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      the okay, so verizon eats $400+ every time they offer a discounted phone for $99? unless you can point me to contract-less plan that makes up $400 over 2 years. the only provider i know of that offers such plans are t-mobile, and the contract-less option is about $10 cheaper a month.

    2. Re:Smaller is not cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      okay, so verizon eats $400+ every time they offer a discounted phone for $99?

      Exactly.

      Cell phone carriers offer low prices on smart phones because they make the money back with over-priced monthly charges.

    3. Re:Smaller is not cheaper by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      The iPhone costs around $200-$300 to manufacture. Look at the iPod touch - it's largely the same hardware, minus the GSM/UMTS chipset (around $10), camera (another $10) and GPS (another $10). Yet the 32GB iPod Touch costs $300, with a healthy bit of profit for Apple.

      So why the hell does the 32GB iPhone run $600 unlocked?

  31. Unlocked is still locked to the radio right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't a major problem with unlocked in the U.S. the fact that you're tied to the phones radio type? I'm not educated on the matter so maybe I'm mistaken. I wouldn't mind buying a n900 but it doesn't work with my carrier and I've had pretty decent service from them despite their poor reputation.

    1. Re:Unlocked is still locked to the radio right? by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I got a G1 for the 3g, but it turns out AT&T doesn't use the 'right' frequencies. At least the 2g works though.

  32. Or maybe they know what they're doing... by EriktheGreen · · Score: 1
    It's amusing and sad to see "industry pundits" guess at what Google might be planning. After all, this is a company which has grown huge and leads in many areas of technology and business by virtue of its ethics, good governance, foresight, and research.

    If the pundits could predict what Google was doing, they'd be rich corporate heads, not writers trying to guess what's going on.

    I personally think that just maybe Google is going to offer a "free" phone.. not free as in beer, free as in speech.. where it costs more than a "subscriber sponsored" phone, maybe more than the iPhone, but which users will buy if it's not insanely expensive simply to get a "free" device... one not locked to a carrier with features turned off because the carrier wants to protect its business model.

    One with a standard design and API that permits software to be developed with more than generic features, like the iPhone. But one that's not locked to Apple's corporate policies and whims, like the iPhone.

    One that will set a standard for a new type of wireless phone system that is "the way it ought to be" with users owning their full featured phones and having the freedom to buy minutes from whichever carrier they like on a day to day basis, or to buy none at all but to use the ubiquitous wireless hotspots and networks to make calls.

    Google may be using its corporate muscle to break the wireless carriers' hold on the market, a hold which has ensured them profits but which has stymied development of truly next generation wireless connectivity, which itself would drive a major change in society. Remember what internet access was like before wireless? Imagine that kind of change if the wireless carriers loosen their government ensured grip on the market.

    Data and voice for everyone, "the way it ought to be". And it may start with a free phone.

    Erik

  33. Google's strategy may be more sound than it seems by Xamusk · · Score: 1

    If you think a deep further, with a LOT of imagination, one could envision another scenario:

    It's possible Google is preparing for a non net-neutrality world, in which it would have to pay for the vast amount of bandwidth that it's clients use. Actually, Google is one of the first targets of those who wish to double-charge for bandwith (charge for users and providers at the same time).

    In this world, a sensible way out of that cash-hole is for Google to be an ISP on its own. For that purpose, it could acquire dark fiber and try to acquire wireless spectrum (or lobby the FCC to make some unlicensed spectrum bands). With those at hand, it could make devices which are capable of forming mesh networks (if Android support that in the future, which is not unlikely). Those networks would then be connected by fiber over long distances. As such, how to get enough coverage to have a reliable mesh network? One answer it to make available a Google Phone which would have a great appeal if it could make free calls through Google Voice. That would ensure quite good acceptance from users.

    That's it. A simple scenario. Seems quite possible to me, though I'm not an expert on the economics required to make it a reality (though if there's one company with enough resources to make it happen, that company is Google).

    Note: the words marked with bold indicate topics which were discussed at a number of times right here on Slashdot.

  34. Sugestion: try mexico!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe they won't sell millions of phones (or maybe they will) here in mexico buying the phones as stand alones (pre paids) its more popular, and selling the phones not attached to a specific carrier would make wonders in theyr selling numbers.

    thats my 2 cents.

  35. Will Goolge pay the data bill for the adds as with by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Will Goolge pay the data bill for the adds as with out a plan the cost is very high even more so if you go out side of the usa. Canada is about $71 for 35meg.

  36. No keyboard by leighklotz · · Score: 1

    It doesn't have a keyboard. No thanks.

    1. Re:No keyboard by DomainDominator · · Score: 1

      How do big-fingered people use the virtual keyboard genius? What is the iPhone only for ultra-petite women?

  37. I misread the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    As "Aids To Offset Cost of Unlocked Google Phone?".

    More the sort of thing certain people would endure to get an iPhone cheaply, I suppose.

  38. Google wants your data by alen · · Score: 1

    there is a company selling data only/VOIP cell phones through AT&T and there was a rumor that Google was going to sell a data only cell phone for $20 a month through AT&T. abovethecrowd.com had a nice post about Google's business model and how they share add revenues.

    I bet this phone will be data only and use Google Voice for everything. AT&T doesn't care since they want to be a dumb pipe. Google will make money because everything you do on the internet will be logged in their servers and they will sell the data to everyone

  39. Carrier free? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    What I am most interested about regarding this phone was the article I read that said you could use the phone carrier-free over existing WiFi networks. Combined with a Google Voice phone #, you could use this phone without having a carrier at all. Of course you would need WiFi to use it this way, so you may not always have coverage, but for city dwellers, this is an interesting option. Add to the fact that you could primarily use the phone this way, and carry a pre-paid SIM with you for the times you need to use the phone but there is no WiFi available, and you could put together a very low cost phone solution. Even if the phone was several hundred dollars more initially to buy without a contract, you could recover any extra money spent very quickly by not having a monthly fee.

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  40. Re:Will Goolge pay the data bill for the adds as w by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    I don't have a contract with T-Mobile, but I have a month to month unlimited voice, text, and data plan for $85/month.

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  41. augmented reality, brought to you by Google by Michael+Restivo · · Score: 1

    Not sure if this is so obvious it's not worth mentioning, but given the geo-aware capabilities of smart phone, Google looks poised to bring advertisements to your phone, where you are. 'Sponsored Links' for your augmented reality browser.

  42. There's a simpler way... by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    for anyone who's willing to do some basic math (which may or may not describe the "average" American.) Verizon has a low-talk-minutes, unlimited text and "unlimited" data plan for $100 a month. T-Mobile has the "Even More Plus" plan with low-talk-minutes, unlimited text and "unlimited" data for $60 a month. Over the course of a year you'll have saved $480 with a T-Mobile phone (like the Nexus One, supposedly) vs a Verizon Phone (like the Droid.) I expect that's more than the discount you'd be getting from Verizon in exchange for a _two_ year contract. No ads required.

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  43. Sold at cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I remember correct, isn't the iPhone BOM somewhere around $180-200. I would bet Google probably can build the Nexus for a similar price. Assuming the decide to sell it at cost of build they could be in a great position to "kill 2 birds with 1 stone". They would have both a iPhone competitor and a phone that sent a lot more eyes to their ad based services (which makes them the magical PROFIT).

  44. Phone Apps? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I can whip up apps in a few minutes and do things the guys with iPhones only wish they could.

    Can your apps do stuff with the actual phone traffic or are they in a separate apps sandbox? e.g. I want to have a filter eat nagios messages and kill ones when a CRITICAL and a RECOVERY come in within a minute of each other during certain hours of the night.

    The programming is trivial, but finding a platform that permits it isn't.

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    1. Re:Phone Apps? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I want to have a filter eat nagios messages and kill ones when a CRITICAL and a RECOVERY come in within a minute of each other during certain hours of the night.

      My wallet is open and waiting.

    2. Re:Phone Apps? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I have some pretty low level access. I can give you the tower ID's my phone can see, I can process SMS messages, etc... I dont do much that is very low level, I have messed with a useful smurfer.. It sends my contact entry to phones. I fire it up, select the phones listed and click, Smurf! it's actually a handy feature and makes the common Business guy think I'm some kind of technology wizard. having access to sms I think you could write a detector/alarm setup to do what you want.

      Do a search for pyS60 and hit the forums, someone there can answer you with a solid answer.

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    3. Re:Phone Apps? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

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  45. You know who buys these things? by zullnero · · Score: 1

    Just like the people who used to buy those ultra-cheap/free PCs from those shady startups that inundated them with ads, then complained that they were getting spammed.

    First data mining...now constant ads. You have to also take into account that various apps are also ad supported as well. That's ads on top of ads...and that's part of the reason those shady startups didn't go on to profit like they thought they would.

    Sure, wait for the phone to come out and THEN review the security policy. I get the feeling it'll be a little disappointing, though...this is Google, after all. The motto "do no evil" has long since been superseded by "do not speak about our evil". Wonder how Motorola and HTC are feeling about their decision to sink so much marketing dough into Droid and the Hero, only to have the OS vendor basically stick them right in their backs like this. If Microsoft had released a "free" WinMob phone a few years back, the carriers and hardware vendors would have sued the heck out of them. But because it's Google, they get a free pass for screwing their vendors because "after all, they do no evil, and Android is kinda/sorta an open technology".

  46. Critical Thinking Fail by drijen · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Now, I didn't read TFA (who does) but based on the summary, the authors are idiots (water is also wet).
    Few buy unlocked phones because the unwashed masses, for the most part, don't know any better.
    I have long been of the opinion that it should be unlawful for a cellular company to bundle phones with plans, and tie them to their network.
    If people were forced to buy their own cell phone, and have companies forced to service it (I said service, not support) it would solve a lot of problems including:
    • Less cell phone waste. Because a good phone costs > $400, people will take care of them better. Less crap in our landfills, causing cancer etc.
    • Prices on cell phone plans would drop like a rock. No more double dipping on text messages, stupid data rate plans, etc
    • No more stupid kids with a high priced gadget they don't need (you know the ones I'm referring to)
    • Better cell phones, and faster market presence, as manufacturers will suddenly not be beholden to crap telecom companies, that restrict what the phones can actually do, rather than what the telecom wants to allow
    • Because cell phone manufacturers no longer have to deal with stupid restrictions, they can concentrate on innovating new features and better software/hardware

    In other words, this article is based on an idea that amounts to ignorant nonsense.

  47. Why are mobile phones always crap in the US? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if this is still the case but last time I lived in the US you had to pay to receive a call which is a scam in itself. But seems in most cases you're tied to a 2 year contract, you still often have to pay something for the phone and then at least sometimes the cost of data, calling and texting is separated. That would be fine if it could work out cheaper but it certainly doesn't seem that way.

    Take the very popular iPhone.

    For 2 years, I could get a 16gig iPhone 3Gs with 1200 minutes, 500 texts and unlimited data. The phone is free and per month I'm paying £44.05.

    AT&T offer an 8gig iphone for $99.00. You have to take the $30 per month unlimited data plan. For 900 minutes per month (closest offer without going over) is $60.00 with apparently a one-time set-up fee of $36.00 and then add $5.00 on top for 200 texts per month.

    That's $104.94 (calculated with PA 6% sales tax) for the phone and $94.99. That's £58.37 per month which makes it more expensive than the UK despite our higher tax rates.

    Then compare that to what T-mobile gave me - a free G1 for 24 months, unlimited texts, unlimited data and 800 free minutes for £25. I'll be able to get my phone unlocked for free and take it to any other network at the end for a sim-only package that will be cheaper.

    The only reason I can think of it being this way is because Americans think it's acceptable to get shafted by mobile phone providers.

  48. Unsibsidized in the rest of the world by DrYak · · Score: 1

    I dunno about the rest of you, but I'd rather pay the full whack for an unlocked Maemo phone.

    That's the way it works in most of the rest of the world :
    - You can either buy any phone for it's listing price in any electronics shop.

    If you sign a contract, or extend a previous, the service provider simply gives you the equivalent of a virtual "cheque" that you can use to buy any phone of your choosing in the same electronics shop where you signed for said contract. The phone is not locked and it's entirely up to you, the end user, to decide whether to use this contract SIM in this phone, or give the phone away. As long as you pay your monthly fee, the provider doesn't give a damn what you do with the phone or the SIM card.

    Nokia's "failed in the USA" business model works 100% well in lots of European countries. And could work too for Google.

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  49. Looking outside the box by KenDiPietro · · Score: 1

    Instead of thinking advertising, how about this? Revenue is generated by capturing call termination fees (on both ends with Google voice) - but that's nothing compared to the big payoff, mobile payments through Google Checkout. So, Google gets to pillage and plunder both the telephone companies and the credit card companies, making them the hero of this generation and the next. And then there is the possibility of selling the mobile media data (a la Nielsen/Arbitron) for extra cash, if they feel they need it.

  50. Unlocked is the way to go in some cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got a Rogers HTC Magic unlocked to run on AT&T in the US for about $450 US. I rooted it and now I get google navigation, 3G, etc, etc. This is a deal when you consider I do not need a PDA plan ($20/mo medianet unlimited) or renew to a 2 year contract. An unlocked iphone that was comparable was $600-$800 range.

  51. could be twice as expensive? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I just bought a unlocked blackberry clone for 100. Id say that was cheaper for me then getting one subsided thru a carrier, and be locked into them forever.

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  52. The nexus one is probably the ADP3 by secondsun · · Score: 1

    The Nexus one is most likely the ADP 3. IE the third generation developer phone. IE Purchasable on Google's developer site. IE Not marketed to fucking consumers.

    What makes me think this is that Google has given out the ADP1 at their Christmas party last year, the ADP2 at IO, and the Nexus-One (presumed ADP3) at their Christmas party this year.
    There is no more or less magic to this.

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    1. Re:The nexus one is probably the ADP3 by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The Nexus one is most likely the ADP 3

      Yes and no.

      Google have openly said they are planning to sell this thing to consumers. There will likely be a developer version with a pre-rooted ADP rom on the device but this version will be sold through their existing channels. Google intends for the Nexus One to be the ultimate Google Experience(TM) phone.

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  53. Of course by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    the okay, so verizon eats $400+ every time they offer a discounted phone for $99?

    Yes, absolutely. That's why they do multi-year contracts and you get a phone cheaper. Look up the word "subsidized".

    And Verizon is not "eating" anything, except money from you. They make far more over the life of the contract than the $400 they "ate". If you want to look with suspicion at costs devices are the wrong place to start, instead try looking at the cost of maintaining a network compared to how much they charge customers...

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  54. Volume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many models of any phone, even the blockbusters do they sell? How much human labor goes into creating, developing, testing, marketing, shipping, supporting that device.

    Compare that to PC volumes.

  55. It's a personal data collection platform by dirkdodgers · · Score: 1

    When Google isn't making money by brining more people to ads, they're making money by increasing the value to advertisers of the people they do bring to ads.

    This platform will allow Google to directly collect data about where you live, travel, work, eat, and shop.

    It will allow Google to sell time and location sensitive ads, e.g. it will allow Google to sell ads for the deli on 34th street when you're within a quarter mile of 34th street.

    And if Google decides to do it, it won't be an option. When Google advertises, they advertise in a way that is unobtrusive to most consumers. Advertising is a value add. If you buy a Google phone, you're buying the Google philosophy, and the data indicates that most consumers have no problem with it.

  56. I agree to accept the ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's my /etc/hosts file that disagrees.

  57. Google Phone is a dumb name. How about: by captainboogerhead · · Score: 1

    I recommend everyone start calling this thing the GooPh.

  58. Direct by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 1

    How about sell me the phone for a fair price, I buy cell service at a fair price? Why is this so hard?

  59. It'll never work - not enough volume by webreaper · · Score: 1

    Ads work by hundreds of thousands of people seeing them, and a small percentage clicking. The cost of delivery is almost nil. With a phone like the HTC Passion (which is what the Nexus is) the manufacturing/retail costs will be in the hundreds of dollars (£500+). Even if Google showed me ads for 2 hours a day, every day, and I clicked on every one and purchased through one of them every week, there would never be enough revenue to subsidise the cost of the handset to anything like what I'd want to pay (i.e., Free, like my current HTC Magic, on a £35/month tariff... with effectively unlimited minutes, data and SMS).

  60. Unlocked phones selling well outside the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just wanted to note that the model of selling unlocked phones works fine in other parts of the world such as Europe and that most people here buy unlocked phones rather than getting one through their carrier. I would argue that even while doing so most people spend less in total cost as the rates that carriers charge are pretty low here.

  61. Guys... Google Phone will not have advertising by DomainDominator · · Score: 1

    Just because selling the phones will be a new profit engine all by itself, they won't want to outrage users by bombarding them with Google Ads. Stop the nonsense.